OT: Goodbye Studs, It was good to know you
Quintessential Chicagoan Studs Terkel died today. How sad to see him go. I'm sure he's out in the bleachers now, enjoying the game on a sunny spring or summer day. "Let's go the park at 2:00 ... Let's go to the bleachers... it was the spontanaity of it, watching experts, good skilled craftsmen ply their trade..."
You lived a good life, Studs, and you enriched ours immeasurably along the way. Bon Voyage... and thanks.
p.s. would've made this a fan shot but couldn't figure out how...
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.
4 recs |
33 comments
Comments
forgot the YouTube link
a few seconds of Studs on baseball
All generalizations are false.
by Emelie on Oct 31, 2008 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Near the Top
of my all-time favorite personalities is Studs. He is one of the last of the giants and I will miss him greatly. Chicago without Studs just won’t be the same.
And so it goes.
by Luigi on Oct 31, 2008 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Studs was a friend of my parents
and I used to see him every year at a New Years Eve party. He was very sweet though he could come off as grumpy old man if you were not used to him. The thing I remember most was that my cousin wrote a very nasty profile of him in THE NEW REPUBLIC years ago and after that every time he saw my mother he would greet her by saying " How is that rotten nephew of yours ?" . I did not get back to Chicago for that party for the last few years but seeing him there always reminded me of the many reasons I miss Chicago.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 31, 2008 7:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What was a Studs Terkel??
I have lived in Chicago the past 32 years and never quite understood who Studs Terkel was or what precisely make him famous. Can somebody kindly clue me in?
Condolscences on his passing.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Oct 31, 2008 8:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Suggest
you let Google do the educating.
And so it goes.
by Luigi on Oct 31, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
according to wikipedia he never learned to drive…. interesting
by Glacier on Oct 31, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, he loved to talk about how he never learned to drive.
He prided himself on the fact that he was able to live his whole life traveling around the city via the el.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar-tissue." -George F. Will
by In Piniella We Trustiella on Nov 10, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The short answer is that he was a writer...
…or you could call him a journalist or a talk show host and so on. And he was really funny. He did a lot of different things which is probably why its hard to get a good grasp on just what he “was”.
His best work was as an oral historian. Studs had a knack for talking to normal people about normal things, and then finding the exceptional insights in those conversations. For example, if you want your kids to learn about the Great Depression, I can’t think of a better introduction than his book Hard Times. He combined a series of interviews with all sorts of different people, from bankers to political activists to blue collar folks, into a book that basically shows how they all dealt with the Depression on an individual level. Some of my other favorites are Working, which is about “people and what they do all day” and Division Street, which uses one street to show how much the city changed throughout the 20th century.
He was a great Chicagoan and the city is lesser place without him. Rest in peace, Studs.
"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko
by LaddieRenfroe on Oct 31, 2008 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Studs Turkel WAS Chicago .. and America ..
Oh, no .. what a sad day for our nation. But Studs had lived a long, long and fruitful life and we are all the richer for it.
You simply have not read great American literature unless you read at least one Studs book. Enrich yourselves in the offseason and get to know an American legend and you’ll come to mourn and wish you could have met him as he puttered around in Chicago ever looking up his latest project.
No one captures the spirit of this diverse land than Turkel ever did. Even Mike Royko, God bless him, couldn’t touch Turk’s wonderful writing. Laddie is right .. his greatest power was in capturing and preserving the moments and places and people and times long lost to dust and time and bringing them vividly back to life. In his richly minimal and profoundly personal approach, Turkel resurrected entire ages. Hard Times was a great book, as all of his were, but for me Coming Of Age is hands down his greatest work as oral historian.
He makes the Eurotrash who sniff at American culture as a stunted abomination look like the intellectually inbred elites they are. He is one of the giants of historical narrative whose likes we may never see again.
So we can get a little back on topic, Studs’ piquant commentary on the Cubs and baseball in Gene W’s “Cubs Nation” is worth the price of the book. He pulled no punches and you’ll feel for broken bones afterwards.
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Oct 31, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Studs and WFMT
One of my fondest memories of Studs was hearing he and Nelson Algren read from one of Algren’s short stories during Studs show one day on WFMT. It was magical to listen to them put their heart and soul into that story. I will never forget it.
wccubfan
by wccubfan on Nov 6, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Two words: Public library.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 3, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm amazed
that a Chicagoan didn’t know who Studs Terkel was or what he wrote. He was a master of oral history. His books on World War II, the depression, Division Street, Working are classics.
Get away from the TV a while and read.
by Clark Addison on Oct 31, 2008 11:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I read lots of books
The heart of the matter is I’ve lived in the Chicago area since 1976 and am 45 years old and still don’t quite get what Studs Terkel was about. I’ve read the newspaper accounts of his passing and description of his work over the years. I guess he can be best described as an oral historian of the down and out of Chicago? Is that fancy way of saying he was into liberalism before it became fashionable in the 60’s?
"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda
by MDBNIU on Nov 2, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Terkel's "liberalism"...
…was more of the 1930s New Deal variety, which was plenty fashionable in its own time. He was pretty clearly ahead of the mainstream on civil rights, which deserves praise no matter where your current political sympathies lie.
Terkel’s best books are remarkable because they are so balanced. For example, in Working, he lets the conservative millionaire lawyer tell his own story, just like the cop, and the union organizer, etc. Though his personal views, which come up in a variety of other sources, might strike you as being pretty far to the left, his books do not come off as an attempt to convince the reader of a particular socio-political stance. That balance is rare, which is part of the reason that so many of us will miss him.
Basically, he’s really hard to pin down as having had one specific career. He’ll probably be remembered most for the books that we’ve mentioned but, as you can probably tell from some of the other comments, he did all kinds of different stuff.
This is a baseball blog, not a literary forum, so Mike’s probably not alone in wondering “what is a Studs Terkel” even if he’s the only one that has posted that question. Moreover, the question gives those of us that admired Studs, and will miss him, a chance to explain what it was that we admired. Even if Mike himself remains uninterested in Terkel’s career, maybe somebody else will read these comments and be motivated to find a copy of one of his books.
"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko
by LaddieRenfroe on Nov 3, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well put. The act of reading to understand the insights of interesting people
seems to be lost on most people nowadays. Turkel had a way of chronicling life that was unique. I guess the most intersting things about him is that he did several things really well. He was a Chicago institution and wasn’t afraid to take up a cause because it was unpopular. He interviewed and highlighted many people on his radio show that would have never been exposed to the public in any other forum. He was truly a unique individual.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 3, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+ 100
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Nov 3, 2008 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was a giant...
He was on WFMT radio in the afternoon and my Mom usually had him on when I’d get home from school…I loved his voice; you knew instantly that it was him, and level of conversation was brilliant.
Later when I read his books, they gave me genuine insight into what my folks and their generation lived through during the Depression and WWII; his bone-deep respect for people, their work, their feelings, and their lives came through on every page, and he was clearly able to draw things out of them that they might not have realized about themselves. He was a thoughtful patriot, a gentleman but never a pushover, and a visionary who always had both feet on the ground.
I agree with Laddie – he was the kind of person who makes Chicago a great city. We should all keep in mind one of his signoff lines – “Take it easy – but take it!”
"[Lou Piniella] might be over 100, but he still has a lot of fire in him." - Ted Lilly, Sept. 10, 2008
by CaughtInTheVines on Oct 31, 2008 11:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Correction...
….my Mom informed me that Studs was always on at 10 in the morning….I must’ve been remembering summer vacation or something…..
"[Lou Piniella] might be over 100, but he still has a lot of fire in him." - Ted Lilly, Sept. 10, 2008
by CaughtInTheVines on Nov 3, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with all of the above.
Studs Terkel was one of the giants of Chicago in the last half of the 20th Century. He’s the last of an era.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 1, 2008 4:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Studs was a great Chicagoan, writer, talkshow host, historian and a great American.
He wrote 18 novels won the Pulitzer Prize and his novel Working is considered one of the great American novels. He received a law degree but never practiced law. Instead, he chose to live life, connect with people and chronicle the experiences.
Studs was blacklisted during the McCarthy era, but managed to survive and even thrive. He was a great interviewer and was the man to see when a stop in Chicago was in order.
He was a great quote and a keen observer. One qoute that epitomizes his life was “Curiosity never killed this cat!”. What a great man! We will miss him.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 1, 2008 8:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The last of a group
The last of a group of very special Chicago writers that included Kup and Royko. Hopefully they’re up there watching the Cubs together in heaven come opening day. There’s nobody even close on the Chicago scene today. John Kass has potential.
Was just rereading a book of Mike Royko columns the other day. Was thinking of posting one that said the Cubs history is not because of a stupid goat but stupid ownership. That’s why I was rereading the book but it’s not in that one.
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 1, 2008 12:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah .. I miss Irv ..
His was one of the last bits of class on TV. I hated seeing him shut that wonderful show down. Chicago TV hasn’t been the same since.
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Nov 1, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Wish we had more guys like him in the media today. (Can you get working on that, Al?)
All good things come to those who wait... and wait... and wait... and -- screw it, bring me the head of George Steinbrenner.
by znohitter on Nov 1, 2008 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Studs was in the movie version of "Eight Men Out"
Playing one of the two reporters who suspected the World Series was fixed. And the other reporter was played by the film’s writer/director, John Sayles.
"The object of a ball game for the fan is not to be entertained. It is to win." - Max Lapides
by CaliCub on Nov 1, 2008 6:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
really? wow .. my baseball movie trivia has been enriched today
Just saw it for 3.99 at Big Lots .. I kinda wanted to get it, but didn’t … must go back and get it now!
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Nov 1, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terkel played Hughie Fullerton, who founded the Baseball Writers Association of American when he was denied entrance to the press box because it was occupied by one of the owner’s cronies. Fullerton was one of the reporters who suspected a fix, and wrote about it, leading to the investigation that busted the Black Sox.
Sayles played Ring Lardner.
by Clark Addison on Nov 2, 2008 9:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Studs considered PAF
That was an FBI term for Prematurely Anti-Fascist which meant he was one who came out against Hitler too early. In his book, Talking To Myself, he tells about the FBI coming to question him during the Red Scare days. It’s very funny but also sad – he was blacklisted at the time and couldn’t really find work.
Studs was a friend to other great Chicagoans such as Nelson Algren and Mahalia Jackson. He was a tireless supporter of all music – especially jazz and folk – and his radio show was amazing. I think you can download a wonderful radio documentary he did called, I think, Born To Live. WFMT used to play it every New Year’s Day. In the past there have been boxed sets of his interviews with everyone from Woody Allen to Dorothy Parker.
Also, Working is not a novel, it is an oral history. He did not write fiction.
Studs was one of the last of the old New Deal lefties. His presence on the scene was a reminder to people what an actual liberal is – not the corporate variety of today but a dyed-in-the-wool unapologetic liberal – as necessary as having a William Buckley around to remind us what conservatism used to be before it was injected with religion.
by the nth on Nov 3, 2008 8:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Should have read
Studs WAS considered PAF.
by the nth on Nov 3, 2008 8:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You are correct he did not write fiction. The line should have been
“Working was considered one of the great American works of literature”. Thanks for correcting me.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 3, 2008 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RIP Studs
He was one of a kind. A truly great writer, historian, American and Chicagoan.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 3, 2008 3:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Since Terkel's death
I’ve gone back to an old, yellowing paperback of “Hard Times,” his book on the depression that I hadn’t read in 30 years. I’d remembered how good it was, but in today’s atmosphere of recession and financial meltdown, it has a special poignancy.
In honor of Studs, pick up one of his books and read it again. You’ll rediscover a legend.
by Clark Addison on Nov 3, 2008 6:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

by 
















