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What Now? What are the missing pieces for 2009?

Here are the Free Agents for 2009

Updated 10-3-08

Catchers
Brad Ausmus (40)
Paul Bako (37)
Rod Barajas (33) - $2.5MM club option for '09 with a $0.5MM buyout
Michael Barrett (32)
Henry Blanco (37) - $3MM mutual option for '09 with a $0.3MM buyout
Johnny Estrada (33)
Toby Hall (33) - $2.25MM club option for '09 with a $0.15MM buyout
Jason LaRue (35)
Paul Lo Duca (37)
Miguel Olivo (30) - $2.7MM mutual option for '09 with a $0.1MM buyout
Mike Redmond (38) - $0.95MM club option for '09 with a $0.1MM buyout
Ivan Rodriguez (37)
David Ross (32)
Javier Valentin (33)
Jason Varitek (37)
Gregg Zaun (38)

First basemen
Rich Aurilia (37)
Hank Blalock (28) - $6.2MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Sean Casey (34)
Tony Clark (37)
Carlos Delgado (37) - $12MM club option for '09 with a $4MM buyout
Nomar Garciaparra (35)
Jason Giambi (38) - $22MM club option for '09 with a $5MM buyout
Eric Hinske (31)
Doug Mientkiewicz (35)
Kevin Millar (37)
Richie Sexson (34)
Mark Teixeira (29)
Daryle Ward (34)

Second basemen
Willie Bloomquist (31)
Jamey Carroll (35) - $2.5MM club option for '09 with a $0.15MM buyout
Craig Counsell (38)
Ray Durham (37)
Damion Easley (39)
David Eckstein (34)
Mark Ellis (32)
Mark Grudzielanek (39)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)
Orlando Hudson (31)
Tadahito Iguchi (34)
Jeff Kent (41)
Felipe Lopez (29)
Mark Loretta (37)
Nick Punto (31)

Shortstops
Willie Bloomquist (31)
Orlando Cabrera (34)
Alex Cintron (30)
Alex Cora (33)
Craig Counsell (38)
David Eckstein (34)
Adam Everett (32)
Rafael Furcal (31)
Nomar Garciaparra (35)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)
Cesar Izturis (29)
Felipe Lopez (29)
Edgar Renteria (33)
Juan Uribe (30)
Ramon Vazquez (32)
Omar Vizquel (42) - $5.2MM club option for '09 with a $0.3MM buyout

Third basemen
Rich Aurilia (37)
Casey Blake (35)
Hank Blalock (28) - $6.2MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Willie Bloomquist (31)
Aaron Boone (36)
Russell Branyan (33)
Craig Counsell (38)
Joe Crede (31)
Nomar Garciaparra (35)
Mark Loretta (37)
Fernando Tatis (34)
Ramon Vazquez (32)

Left fielders
Moises Alou (42)
Garret Anderson (37) - $14MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout
Milton Bradley (31)
Emil Brown (34)
Pat Burrell (32)
Carl Crawford (27) - $8.25MM club option for '09 with a $2.5MM buyout
Adam Dunn (29)
Cliff Floyd (36) - $2.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Luis Gonzalez (41)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)
Raul Ibanez (37)
Gabe Kapler (33)
Kevin Mench (31)
Jason Michaels (33) - $2.6MM club option for '09
Craig Monroe (32)
Greg Norton (36)
Jay Payton (36)
Wily Mo Pena (27) - $5MM club option or $2MM player option for '09
Manny Ramirez (37)
Juan Rivera (30)
Fernando Tatis (34)

Center fielders
Rocco Baldelli (27)
Willie Bloomquist (31)
Mike Cameron (36) - $10MM club option for '09 with a $750K buyout
Jim Edmonds (39)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)
Gabe Kapler (33)
Mark Kotsay (33)
Corey Patterson (29)
Scott Podsednik (33)

Right fielders
Bobby Abreu (35)
Casey Blake (35)
Cliff Floyd (36) - $2.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Brian Giles (38) - $9MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout
Ken Griffey Jr. (39) - $16.5MM club option for '09 with a $4MM buyout
Vladimir Guerrero (33) - $15MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout
Gabe Kapler (33)
Jason Michaels (33) - $2.6MM club option for '09
Fernando Tatis (34)
Brad Wilkerson (32)

DHs
Milton Bradley (31)
Pat Burrell (32)
Adam Dunn (29)
Cliff Floyd (36) - $2.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Jason Giambi (38) - $22MM club option for '09 with $5MM buyout
Vladimir Guerrero (33) - $15MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout
Raul Ibanez (37)
Manny Ramirez (37)
Juan Rivera (30)
Mike Sweeney (35)
Frank Thomas (41)
Jose Vidro (34)

Starting pitchers
Kris Benson (33)
A.J. Burnett (32) - can opt out after '08 season
Paul Byrd (38)
Roger Clemens (46)
Matt Clement (33)
Bartolo Colon (36)
Ryan Dempster (32)
Shawn Estes (36)
Josh Fogg (32)
Freddy Garcia (33)
Jon Garland (29)
Tom Glavine (43)
Mike Hampton (36)
Mark Hendrickson (35)
Livan Hernandez (34)
Orlando Hernandez (43)
Jason Jennings (30)
Randy Johnson (45)
John Lackey (30) - $9MM club option for '09 with a $0.5MM buyout
Jon Lieber (39)
Braden Looper (34)
Rodrigo Lopez (33) - club option for '09
Derek Lowe (36)
Greg Maddux (43)
Pedro Martinez (37)
Sergio Mitre (28)
Jamie Moyer (46)
Mark Mulder (31) - $11MM club option for '09 with a $1.5MM buyout
Mike Mussina (40)
Carl Pavano (33) - $13MM club option for '09 with a $1.95MM buyout
Brad Penny (31) - $8.75MM club option for '09 with a $2MM buyout
Odalis Perez (32)
Oliver Perez (27)
Andy Pettitte (37)
Sidney Ponson (32)
Mark Prior (27)
Kenny Rogers (44)
Glendon Rusch (34)
C.C. Sabathia (28)
Curt Schilling (42)
Ben Sheets (30)
John Smoltz (42)
Tim Wakefield (42) - perpetual $4MM club option
Kip Wells (32)
Randy Wolf (32)

Closers
Brian Fuentes (33)
Eric Gagne (33)
Eddie Guardado (38)
Trevor Hoffman (41)
Jason Isringhausen (36)
Brandon Lyon (29)
Francisco Rodriguez (27)
Salomon Torres (37) - $3.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.3MM buyout
Kerry Wood (32)

Middle relievers
Jeremy Affeldt (30)
Luis Ayala (31)
Joe Beimel (32)
Joe Borowski (38)
Doug Brocail (42)
Shawn Chacon (31)
Juan Cruz (30)
Alan Embree (39) - $3MM club option for '09
Scott Eyre (37)
Kyle Farnsworth (33)
Casey Fossum (31)
Keith Foulke (35)
Tom Gordon (41) - $4.5MM club option for '09 with a $1MM buyout
LaTroy Hawkins (36)
Mark Hendrickson (35)
Matt Herges (39) - club option for '09
Bob Howry (35)
Jon Lieber (39)
Jason Johnson (35)
Damaso Marte (34) - $6MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Trever Miller (36) - $2MM club option for '09 with a $0.4MM buyout
Guillermo Mota (35)
Will Ohman (31)
Darren Oliver (38)
Chan Ho Park (36)
Horacio Ramirez (29)
Al Reyes (38)
Dennys Reyes (32)
Arthur Rhodes (39)
Juan Rincon (30)
Glendon Rusch (34)
Rudy Seanez (40)
Brian Shouse (40)
Russ Springer (40)
Mike Timlin (43)
Ron Villone (39)
David Weathers (39)
Kip Wells (32)
Matt Wise (33)
Jamey Wright (34)

 

My thoughts...

Soriano needs to be told his is hitting 3,4 or 5 TODAY and to spend the winter preparing for it..

Re Sign Dempster & Wood & Blanco (option)

Fukodome is the 4th Out Fielder.

DeRosa is the Every Day Right Fielder

Sign Furcal to lead off and play short stop

Theriot becomes the extra infielder or you trade him and Keep Cedeno in that role

I'll take LBR every day at second base 

Center Field?  Is there a way to trade for Holiday (I know he is not a CF) or Go with the Pie, Johnson Platoon... See ya Jimmy - Thanks it was fun..

Sign a starter... Burnett?  Sabbathia for $140 million????

Guzman 6th inning specilaist

Shark 7th inning

Marmol 8th inning

Wood closer

 

Line up

Furcal ss

LBR 2b

Soriano LF

ARAM 3B

Lee 1B

Dero 2B

Soto C

Johnson/Pie

 

What is your guys take?? 

 

The team as contructed can not win in the playoffs

 

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation, Bleed Cubbie Blue, or Al Yellon, editor-in-chief. FanPost opinions are, however, valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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we had the team to win.once again they failed to produce.the ony guy out of the big 3 that shows up is lee.we had the pitching and the hitting.like lou says in 6 postseason games they,ve scored 12 runs.is it the pressure????i dont know.having to win for 6 months to win a division is a lot of pressure.i dont know why they collapse in oct

by NOMAR on Oct 5, 2008 8:14 AM CDT   0 recs

Lee showed up?

Showed up like he did all year…getting hits w/ nobody on base and not driving in runs…

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Was it his faulf that no one was on base? He had three hits in the game. You can

fault him for having a poor year and all the GIDPs, but he showed up last night. He was the only one, but he showed up.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 5, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's the leadoff hitters job....

Guy in 3 hole neeeds to drive in runs

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 10:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why bother tinkering with this outfit?

They collapse because they are mentally weak and too streaky. The frustrating thing is that on paper, they look good every year. Top to down, their stats are good, and can’t be improved upon by adding new players. But their streakiness (what the numbers don’t tell you) sinks them every year, in 2004, in 2007, and now 2008. Tinker with it? For what?
I say blow it up, trade the vets, suck for a few years, and rebuild the farm system. This team will never win with Soriano, Ramirez, etc as the “team leaders.” Who cares. This team’s window of opportunity has shut.

by reedjohnson on Oct 5, 2008 8:28 AM CDT   0 recs

The Cubs are past...

the point of adding a FA piece to fix things. They’ve got some fundamental problems that won’t go away. Honestly — assuming that ownership doesn’t scrap everything for next season — they need to address productivity at the top of the lineup, and the fact that the 3-4-5 hitters lack a legitimate impact bat. I think it’s more about who they might remove, rather than add though.

If it was me, I’d revisit the Roberts trade to slot into the two hole; maybe kick the tires on Furcal again. Past that, I wouldn’t comment any further till I see what they want to do next year budget wise. Although, I will say I’d have no problem with clearing some payroll to make room for Mark Texeira; but as I said, it’s just my first thoughts.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 5, 2008 8:30 AM CDT   0 recs

Its been since 03 now...

…that the Cubs have gone without a good leadoff man. Will this be the year Hendry fixes it, or just pretends everything is peachy with a streaky power hitter in that spot?

IMO, if Soriano is leading off for this club next year, I will lose all faith in their collective ability to make a sound baseball decision. How many times do you have to get hit over the head to figure it out?

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2008 10:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LSA

…right now I cant even type his name let alone even fathom that faliure leading off for this team ever again.

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Oct 5, 2008 10:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just don't get how this makes sense.

1) People are mad at Soriano because he fails with runners on base in key situations.
2) So, let’s get a lead-off man and move Sori to a run producing spot.
?) Because, then he won’t fail with runners on base in key situations?

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Oct 5, 2008 1:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is why it makes sense...

…successful baseball teams can get away with streaky hitters in the middle of the order much more than at the top. In fact, most 4-5-6 hitters are streaky by nature and K quite a bit. Just take a look around and see how Soriano’s power numbers match up against other middle of the order guys on other teams.

What can’t happen, is to go into a situation where you are facing good pitchers in a playoff series and have a true power hitter in your leadoff spot. You are begging for periods when you won’t be able to manufacture runs in close games and this is what has happended to the Cubs in 2 straight playoff series.

This is baseball 101, and can’t fly over Hendry and Piniella’s head again this year.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2008 1:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just think people are going to be even more frustrated with Soriano

if he’s batting 3-5 next year in the playoffs. I’d bat him 3rd next year because he doesn’t GIDP that often and you can take the low OBP in the 3rd spot alright. My point, though, is that people don’t like Soriano’s streakiness and they’re going to like it even less next year if he strands his lead off man at 2nd.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Oct 5, 2008 1:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Again...

…go around the league and see how many power guys are not streaky. Very few high slugging guys are not streaky, it is the nature of the beast.

I will say this until the cows come home – you don’t want a power hitter in the freaking leadoff spot. I could live with him at 3 much better than leadoff, but I like him better at 5.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2008 2:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Like I said,

I’m not opposed to moving him to 3. I just think a lot of the arguments out there about Soriano are missing the fact that Soriano is who Soriano is. Moving him to 3 isn’t going to fix that. It may even make things worse if his career #s are predictive.

So, sure, he’s streaky, a lot of guys are streaky, and that’s why anything can happen in a short series.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Oct 5, 2008 2:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I care more about team

success than Soriano’s success. I’m fine with his numbers going down, buy like MPH wrote, he can’t bat leadoff. He’s a streaky power hitter, like all power hitters and has to move down. If he can’t handle 3 or 4 or 5, move him to 8, but he can’t leadoff.

Formerly NO100

by jerry morales rules on Oct 5, 2008 2:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In a short series...

…against good pitchers, you want a leadoff guy who can bunt to get on, take a walk and hit the ball up the middle, not a streaky power hitter.

Doing this year after year is just STUPID!!!

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2008 3:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

After viewing the list...............

………….this is simple.

Pick up the following FAs and dump everyone else:

C – Barrett
1B – Nomar
2B – Grudzie
SS – Jerry Jr.
3B – Crede
LF – Moises
CF – CPat
RF – Clifford
SP – Clement, Estes, Mitre, Prior, Rusch
CL – Izzy
MR – Cruzer, Farns, Hawk, Stormy Weathers

Having Crede at 3B and Izzy as the closer adds that touch of “enemy with WS rings” flair. We know this to be effective after the Edmonds experience.

This way we know the team we’re getting; can have no elevated hopes of success and will likely pay very little for this squad. In fact, after dumping the other salaries, we might be able to keep the payroll below $100K with this collection of talent.
 
And for the fans who still hold the jerseys of these former players, hey, good deal, no further investment required!

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Oct 5, 2008 8:34 AM CDT   0 recs

If only we could lol

Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic. Crash Davis

by Reed's Johnson on Oct 5, 2008 8:35 AM CDT   0 recs

I would be in favor of Trading Lee…

He is the only one that hit in the paly offs…

Trade Lee – Clear room fro Texiera

Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic. Crash Davis

by Reed's Johnson on Oct 5, 2008 8:37 AM CDT   0 recs

NOMAAAAAAAAAARRRRRR!

I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 5, 2008 8:37 AM CDT   0 recs

Anyone

named “HEART”

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Oct 5, 2008 8:56 AM CDT   0 recs

We Dont need Starting Pitching

Resign Dempster, then you have Marquis/Marshall/Hill/Samardzija and maybe even Guzman battling for the 5th spot behind Z, Demp, Lilly and Harden.

Id like to see this next year

1-Furcal ss
2-Theriot 2b
3-Ramirerz 3b
4-Soriano lf
5-Lee 1b
6-Soto c
7-Derosa rf
8-Pie/Johnson cf
9-Pitcher

Still a bit right handed, but if DeRosa can be cajoled to play RF everyday and Furcal can be signed, that would solve the Soriano in lead off problem.

As for Fukudome, try try try and try again to trade him….he just seems overmatched.

I dont think Hollidays stats away from Denver are too impressive, if anything get Garret Atkins or Teixera if youre going to address 1B, but moving Lee, though tough, seems easier than Soriano or Fukudome.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 5, 2008 9:07 AM CDT   0 recs

I like the cast here

This is doable with the exception of Furcal and we need more lefthanded hitting. This isn’t overboard on wishful thinking and faith except for Furcal. We can’t count on anybody from the laid-back West wanting to play in Chicago and succeeding. We’ll have to write him in for now or include another known lead-off man like Roberts. They need a lefthanded bat who can hit big time and he would play CF or RF; like a younger Edmonds.

This also assumes Soriano and Fukudome will still be around; practical but unfortunate. Soriano in left should bat 8th. Fukudome is a lefty off the bench and a late-inning defensive replacement.

I don’t like going into a season with platoons, but Johnson and Pie in CF would be a decent and relatively low cost solution. At about now Pie should play or be traded.
 
Counting on DeRosa having another good year – out in right. The one type of player I would trade DeRosa for is that big time lefthanded bat.

Lineup:
Furcal
Theriot
Ramirez
Lee or DeRosa
DeRosa or Lee
Soto
Pie/Johnson
Soriano

Too many righthanded hitters, but doable. Could never decide which I would take if I could only have one – a new lead-off man or an accomplished lefty.

Starting pitching: Do something about Harden. I’m ok with Marquis, but I don’t think there is room for both Samardzija and Marquis if they decide to include Samardzija in the rotation.

Bullpen: Definitely needs help.

97 wins or no, when the hightlight of my last two postseasons is Maddux pitching the 9th on Wednesday night then some changes are still necessary.

by AboutTheCubs on Oct 5, 2008 1:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How the hell...

…do you bat a 30+ homer guy with a 500+ slugging % 8th?

That is a little over the top, don’t ya think. This guy is going nowhere because his contract is completely untradable. He needs to bat 5th or 6th and that is where he has always belonged.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's a STREAK hitter, that's why

Move him up when he’s hitting.

by AboutTheCubs on Oct 5, 2008 1:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think it's completely untradeable.

More on that in a few days, but to start here are two frameworks for a Soriano trade that could happen:
Soriano to LAA for Lil Sarge and something
Soriano to LAD for Pierre and something

Not saying we’d want to do these trades, especially not knowing what the something is. But both of those teams, losing their current LFs and wanting out from shorter bad contracts, could be willing to deal.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Oct 5, 2008 1:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

First of all...

…the Cubs would have to eat big time dough to trade Soriano and I can’t see Hendry having that option. Secondly, Torre had Soriano once and I think that would tell you all you need to know.

Your stuck with this guy, so just put his ass in the middle of the order where high slugging % hitters belong.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2008 1:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Derosa
DeRosa is the Every Day Right Fielder

No. I love his bat and attitude, but his defense last night showed that it is the wrong place for him. His lack of range and below average arm in RF make him a liability to the team that will be very evident after 162 games. It is fine to put him there for a game or two in a pinch, but 2B is his optimal spot. Unfortunately, the same can be said for Theriot and Fontenot (trade bait?).

Hendry has no choice but to start looking for a RF replacement again. Abreu seems to be the only guy with a minimal upside on the free agent list, but it is likely that he will re-sign with the Yankees. That means a trade of some sort. Let Edmonds go (he really is almost toast now), then let Reed, Felix, and Kosuke battle royale in March for the chance to play CF.

Wood should be brought back. I don’t know about Dempster right now as I fully question his mental makeup after Game 1. Everyone else can leave.

by Qixotl on Oct 5, 2008 9:12 AM CDT   0 recs

I dont love Dero in right….And the OF Defense as I constructed it would be very bad…

Maybe DeRo is trade bait?
I love his flexibility…but we dont need another hitter like him…

We need an on base,walk,base stealer typ to set the table… a Roberts/Frucal type

I LOVE DERO>… but …maybe he needs to go while his stock is high?

Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic. Crash Davis

by Reed's Johnson on Oct 5, 2008 9:21 AM CDT   0 recs

Interesting

I hadnt thought of that route, but second baseman are never in huge demand unless theyre speedsters. Theres some speculation the Yankees will move Cano, if so theyd need a second baseman.

I think Furcal could drastically change this lineup….so its either Theriot, Fukudome or DeRosa who loses their job. I think DeRo could hack it in right field, he may not be as good as Fukudome out there.

This is really the same issue we all discussed with Brian Roberts last offseason, yes Furcal would upgrade our team-but neither Theriot or DeRosa has played themselves out of a job, they both had career years, but which one was real?

Perhaps they should maximize the trade value of some of our young pitchers to get a left handed power hitter.

Adam Dunn would kill it in Wrigley, but does anyone honestly think he can play RF? He can certainly play first base

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 5, 2008 9:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

DeRosa for

Asdrubal Cabrera

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Oct 5, 2008 2:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What do you think the payroll will be in 2009?

Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic. Crash Davis

by Reed's Johnson on Oct 5, 2008 9:22 AM CDT   0 recs

It's hard to imagine any FA's wanting to play for this team now...

The only person I can think of who could fix the fundamental problem is Manny. And not just because he’s “The new Mr. October”, but because he has that “I Don’t Give a Shit” attitude. I don’t see him being phased by the Wrigley pressure, and maybe that would spread to the rest of the team.

Whatever, it’s not going to happen.

Yes Al, I would have said that to their face.

by Matty G on Oct 5, 2008 9:45 AM CDT   0 recs

He's 37

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I like these suggestions

but there is still one thing missing and that is a feared middle of the order bat. Lee isn’t it and I think the Cubs need the payroll flexibility from his contract off the team. I like the addition of Furcal and think it’s imperative. I’d even take Cabrera if that’s not possible. However, the main target for Hendry should be Teixeira. The Cubs need a left handed bat against righties at 3 or 4. We saw how the Cubs can get dismantled by an effective RH pitcher with the current lineup.

However, Soriano has to be told he will never hit leadoff again. I’d give him first shot at #4 and if he is uncomfortable or ineffective at that spot, I’m OK with having hit bat 7 or 8. Leadoff is impossible. Absolutely impossible.

Formerly NO100

by jerry morales rules on Oct 5, 2008 9:46 AM CDT   0 recs

Tex would be perfect

If they can unload Lee, but they would probably have to pay a chunk of that….if only there was some sort of Maverick billionaire out there to buy the team who wouldnt mind raising the payroll even further.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 5, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Indications are that it will be tough to get Tex

away from Southern California and Moreno’s money.

by rlpete on Oct 5, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If only Jim Hendry would read this lol

Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic. Crash Davis

by Reed's Johnson on Oct 5, 2008 9:55 AM CDT   0 recs

My thoughts

Don’t make Fukudome the 4th outfielder. Thing is, he hits like a center fielder, not a left fielder. He did well early then struggled. He’ll adjust. Install him in center, tell Edmonds thanks, if you want to come back for $1 million you can be our new Daryl Ward, otherwise goodbye. Keep Reed Johnson as the 4th outfielder.

Tell Soriano he’s hitting third.
Fontenot is the starting second baseman.
Install Marshall into the 5th starter spot.
I would go after Furcal to hit leadoff and play short.
Theriot, Marquis, Pie are all available in trade. Marquis actually has some positive value considering his contract is now reasonable comparable to guys like Silva and Lohse and he had a descent year this year.

I would seriously look at trading for Ryan Howard. Big left handed stick with a ton of power, we need that. I love DLee but he obviously isn’t a 30 homer guy anymore. You know what, that doesn’t disappoint me either because it speaks to his character. He’s 33 years old and is in what would be a normal pre-steroid decline phase. Essentially DLee has become a right-handed version of Mark Grace and we need better than that. Howard could be had, question is what do the Phils want in return. I would suspect DLee, Marquis and Pie would get it done, along with some salary relief to balance it out. Phils get a 1b, starter that they really need and a marginal prospect. I realize some people are going to scoff at this offer but when you do remember that DLee isn’t chopped liver himself, as I said before Marquis has some positive value and Pie isn’t buried yet. Unless Philadelphia is looking for prospect for Howard (and why would they be since they’re a perennial contender?) then this offers them a lot of value back.

Lineup would be:
Furcal
Fontenot/DeRosa
Soriano
Howard
Ramirez
Soto
DeRosa/Fontenot
Fukudome

Money would be needed to resign Dempster, sign Furcal, raises, plus what Howard will earn and salary relief to Philly. Can payroll take the hit, I don’t know.

Rotation would be: (in no particluar order)
Zambrano
Dempster
Harden
Lilly
Marshall/Gaudin/Hill??

Bullpen:
Wood
Marmol
Howry (1-yr, $1 million, take it or leave it)
Wuertz
Cotts
Another lefty (piggy? probably not, maybe someone outside the org.)
Samardzija
Hart

Who would be on the market this offseason:
Hill
DLee (very tough to say but i think we need a thumper here, lefty if possible)
Theriot
Marquis
Pie

Theriot is cheap and has some value. Hill is cheap and has some past success. Marquis has value. Pie still has upside and may attain it with a different organization. DLee can still hit and play great D. None of the above are overpaid unless you consider DLee overpaid, I don’t necessarily.

Sign Furcal, trade for Howard, resign Demp, trade what you can for what you need and/or prospect, restock the system quality over quantity. Don’t raise payroll too much but raise it enough to get a big left handed bat.

/end rambling……

I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - Robert McCloskey

by pageian on Oct 5, 2008 10:18 AM CDT   0 recs

Here we go

DLee, Marquis and Pie for Howard. The off-season funny trades are now underway.

Give me one serious reason why Philly would do that other than the Cubs want them to.

by rlpete on Oct 5, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe because

They don’t want to pay him??? Haven’t you heard any of the talk of them moving him because his salary is going up? And you realize a trade of DLee, Marquis and Pie is quite a bit, a lot in fact. If you don’t agree with the trade that’s your prerogative, but saying a trade is stupid is immature at best and downright shortsighted at worst. Perhaps you should tell us why the Phillies wouldn’t make the trade? A first baseman to take Howards place (a pretty good first basemen at that), a fifth starter that they need and a prospect. All we’d get back is an overweight, poor defensive, expensive slugger. Yeah, that’d be really stupid of them to make that trade wouldn’t it?

I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - Robert McCloskey

by pageian on Oct 5, 2008 9:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Regardless of the trade for Howard

Soriano is as much of a #3 hitter as he is a leadoff hitter. A #3 hitter has to be a smart hitter with a high OBP. That is not what Soriano is. He is a #4 at best and if he can’t handle that, he needs to move down spots until he finds where his best spot is. If that’s 8, then so be it.

I think Marquis is one of the top #5 starters in baseball and my preference would be to keep him. He also can do more like pinch run or, in desperation, pinch hit if necessary. My guess is that if worse came to worst, he could fill in in the outfield too. I’m just writing that to say he could be a benefit in pinches. He is, however, a great #5 starter. I’m open to him being traded only if the Cubs can get a very useful piece in return. It is not a dump.

Formerly NO100

by jerry morales rules on Oct 5, 2008 10:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly-3rd woudl be even worse than lead off

hes gotta be 4th-6th at the worst

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 5, 2008 12:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't agree...

He came up frequently with two men on and failed. That is not a #3 hitter either.

He is just a streaky hitter that has to be managed better in the playoffs, regardless of where he hits.

by Worf on Oct 5, 2008 12:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Furcal & Tex...

…are the only two on this list worth looking at, and they need each type of player badly, but won’t be able to get both (IMO).

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2008 10:34 AM CDT   0 recs

if Tex is not available

and he will be difficult to get not only with the Angels money but the Yankees would most likely go after him hard as well, I think the Cubs need to seriously consider whether Hoffpauir can be that LH bat in the #3 hole. Yes, that’s a lot to ask out of a rookie. .

Formerly NO100

by jerry morales rules on Oct 5, 2008 10:42 AM CDT   0 recs

I find it very ironic that we feel this team needed a player out there with passion and heart..

…yet Reed Johnson couldnt buy his way into the lineup over the last three games…

He was a spark plug for this team all season and when they needed it the most, Lou treated him like he had committed a crime agasint his family.

One of the many things that has me dumbfounded about what has transpired over the last 4 days.

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Oct 5, 2008 10:45 AM CDT   0 recs

LSA

You have read my mind…

"The only way of finding the limits of the possible is by going beyond them into the impossible." ~Arthur C. Clarke

by Goodie1969 on Oct 5, 2008 10:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lsa? what is that ?

Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic. Crash Davis

by Reed's Johnson on Oct 5, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LSA="Loud Sustained Applause"

or “Lou’s Sour Applesauce” not sure.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Oct 5, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That baffled me a bit too...

…but there are much bigger problems and I do think Reed will be back with the club next year.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would start things off by demoting

         Theriot to bench duty or trading him. He is only worth something offensively if he bats well over .300 and his defense is awful. He is so stiff and has a tough time ranging to either side. And his arm might be the worst of any big league SS. Moving him to second base would only magnify his offensive woes, as second base requires a better bat than SS. His slugging percentage was lower than his OBP. Getting on base is nice, but when you can’t steal bases efficiently or hit anything other than singles you are only so useful.
           Soriano is not going anywhere. Lou needs to do some damage control and move him down in the lineup. When I mean down, I mean in the six, seven or eight spot. He doesn’t have the stones to hit in a big time slot and going into the playoffs with a useless player like him in a huge run producing spot is not a good idea.
            We need a new OF, not necessarily a new CF. Fukudome, who’s bat is way too light for RF, could move to center. Trey Hillman, his manager in Japan, said he could play center, but thats the same guy that said he might be a number three hitter, so who knows? I for one would like to see Brian Giles in a Cubs uniform. He isn’t a huge name and probably won’t be too expensive. His numbers are pretty solid and would be better if he wasn’t hampered by Petco. DeRo isn’t a solid option in right field. That being said, if that is he route they decide to take, I would look to trade Fntenot and/or Theriot and see if bringing in Orlando Hudson is an option.
            I know that real baseball isn’t fantasy baseball and that some of these ideas might be a bit out there, but thats all these ideas are, ideas. The point is that after this year’s high expectations and colossal failure the pressure on Hendry will be greater than ever.

by dakoose on Oct 5, 2008 11:08 AM CDT   0 recs

I do think that we will be the favorites to win the division next season

With the Astros being the second team in the Central. The Brewers will fall without Sheets, Sabathia, etc. and the Cardinals will still be mediocre.

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 11:36 AM CDT   0 recs

This is pretty simple

Part of me wants to Keep DLee after seeing his Post-Season hitting, and he was trying to pump up the guys, but if we want to improve, he has to go.

I’d sign Texiera-Give him what he wants.
Sign Furcal-Lead him off. Him and Tex will be expensive though.
Re-Sign Woody& Demp
Trade Marquis-Eat half his conrtact
Trade for a Left Handed hitting RF-Revisit a possible Crawford trade?

We’d have something like 30+ coming off the books with trading Lee and Marquis, as well with the contracts coming off the books. Not to mention, new owners like to make that big splash.

1.Furcal
2.Crawford
3.Texiera
4.Ramirez
5.Soto
6.Soriano
7.Derosa
8.Platooners

With that line-up, no one could gameplan on all those Righties. The first 3 guys are S, L, S hitters. Not to mention adding an MVP candidate in Texiera is always good.

Another option would to make this easy by signing Dunn, who mashes in Wrigley. Move Soriano to RF to make room.

Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak

by ARAM FOR MVP on Oct 5, 2008 11:45 AM CDT   0 recs

blow it up

 My childhood team is the Cubs and I’m sad today, but my adult team is the A’s, who had the best record in baseball in ‘01-02 and screwed up the playoffs, then went through a similar sweep disappointment in ’06 against the Tigers. But the A’s don’t have any money, so Beane just blew the whole thing up and is starting over, which is why the Cubs have Harden (good luck pitching him five innings once a week) and the A’s have Blevins (for Kendall) and Gallagher. .
 I think that technique is going to work better than just adding free agents. If Soriano is going to sulk and drag the team down, you can try to pay the Nationals to take him back, otherwise might as well blow it up around him and start building for 2012.

by vk on Oct 5, 2008 11:46 AM CDT   0 recs

Ideally, some one would take soriano off our hands!

Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic. Crash Davis

by Reed's Johnson on Oct 5, 2008 11:56 AM CDT   0 recs

The Nationals are perfect

They’re hopeless, they had Soriano before and wanted to keep him, they don’t want to win a pennant, just have some offense to keep a few fans coming to their new stadium. When Ralph Nader called the Washington Post to complain he wasn’t getting any coverage, the managing editor said “it’s because you can’t win.” He replied: “So what, you cover the Nationals and they can’t win either.”

by vk on Oct 5, 2008 12:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

While the Yankees and O's out-bid each other for Teixeira

maybe we should be talking to the Padres about Adrian Gonzalez. He’s as cheap as it gets, but they do have to make room in the infield for Kouz/Headley and are in re-building mode.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Oct 5, 2008 2:05 PM CDT   0 recs

But Adrian Gonzalez

is the kind of player you’d want to build around. Isn’t he like 25? His prime is still 2-3 years away and one would think that San Diego would be rebuilt by then.

Formerly NO100

by jerry morales rules on Oct 5, 2008 2:31 PM CDT