Will people stop caring as much now?
I know I will. When next year rolls around, I for one will be far less interested than I was this year. Hanging on every pitch all season again? For what? It's obvious that this outfit, as presently constructed, doesn't have what it takes to win a World Series. And that's what hurts so much- for me, it isn't "wait till next year" anymore- it's become, for the first time, "wait till 5-10 years from now until all these back loaded contracts are completed or dumped." If they can't win a single game after a 97 win season, why would they next year with essentially the same team? I wonder if others aren't feeling the same way. I just don't see the daily hysteria at Wrigley continuing all of next summer, no matter what their record is come July.
So I wonder if general interest in the team will wane a little bit now going forward. I actually hope it does. Two good things would happen- one, people could actually get tickets without buying them on the secondary market, but more importantly, the pressure on these guys would abate a bit. To me, so long as the fan base remains so hysterical, these guys will continue to press and we will never win a World Series. The pressure to bring us a WS is just too much on these guys, I think. It's only when we stop caring as much that they will have any chance to come through. Thoughts?
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They will suck us all right back in
I’d almost rather have a 90-loss season than this garbage.
I could have handled a 3-game sweep. Honestly, I could have. If the team would have played extremely well and just lost out… I could have dealt.
But to just be flat-out humilated… It’s like it validates every single taunt by every Cardinal fan ever.
by Worf on Oct 5, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
i agree with everything you said.
i wish it didn’t hurt this much.
by Ryno72 on Oct 5, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll be back, I'll be back
we’ll all be back. Being a Cubs fan is a freaking disease.
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by AceCubbie on Oct 5, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I quit.
I gathered up my hat and jersey, along with the Soriano jersey I bought my daughter (that I used to think she looked so cool in), put them in a box and taped it up tight. I will put them deep in the attic, next to my wifes wedding dress, where maybe my daughter will find them after I’ve passed on.
"Hitter-ish is a good word,."- Lou Pinella
by tedinSoCal on Oct 5, 2008 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man that is sad but I can understand your feelings, I just can't quit this team , 42 years invested can't throw in the towel now
That being said I will be paying far less attention next year.
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Oct 5, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little dramatic?
Damn, it feels crappy that they lost, but its not the freakin’ end of the world. Suck it up, I watch the Cubs because I love baseball and thats my team…win or lose I’m not going to create some kind of made up overly romanticized fascination with them…isn’t that what little girls do over boy bands?
by StevenABQ on Oct 5, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My interest will wane
Every year, same damn story. Hope that this would be the year. This year was the year. As Al pointed out each and every series, “this is something special”, “remember where you were” etc. etc.. I am not taking a shot at Al, I too believed. I spent far too much time believing, and for what. In my opinion, this is worse than 03’. This IS the worst for me. All the magazine covers etc. It will happen sometime. The question is, when and how many will care as much as we did this year?
by thisisitflyfishing on Oct 5, 2008 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
for the reasons you mention, this year is harder than ’03. No matter how good any team is in years to come we will always remember ’08…how good they were and how magical is has been…and then how difficult the ending was for us.
"Cub fans like to think of things in catastrophic terms." - Crane Kenney
by NashvilleBlue on Oct 5, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A silver lining for non-Chicago Cubs fans
Living outside of Illinois all together, i wont have to worry about the Cubs winning it all and being called a “band wagon” fan….so I got that going for me
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 5, 2008 9:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
By Non-chicago I meant, us fans who dont live there.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Oct 5, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's OK
By the end of the month you guys will all have a new favorite team.
by Capt.Cubsfan on Oct 5, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whatever that means...
"I love when they play that Go Cubs Win song."
by BMoney79 on Oct 5, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too Soon For Any Of This......
….. to make such a decision right now is foolish. We’ve all been through this before in varying degrees. Yes, expectations were extremelyhigh this time. It hurts. It hurts really bad.
But take some time off. Walk away from baseball for a while. Connect with something else. The Bears, your family, a project in the garage, a girl, a guy, a new author, watch some old movies, whatever.
Some won’t come back. That’s fine. It happens. But just don’t decide now. While the team failed, the place they play, Wrigley Field, is golden. Over time, I’ve come to realize that’s where the attraction lies for me.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Oct 5, 2008 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'M DONE
That’s it! I’m 36 years old and I can’t take anymore! Baseball is not the same way that it was. These players have no emotional ties at all. How can I care so much for something in which the participants have only a fleeting interest?
Do you really think any of them cares if they give Chicago a championship like Ernie, Ron, Billy, or Ryne wish they could have? How about Lou saying before the playoffs that if they fell short of a championship it wouldn’t mean that this season was a complete failure. What a joke. Maybe if we had ONE championship in the last hundred years i could accept that but not now. From now on any season that does not end with the Cubs as World Series champions is a COMPLETE failure. if any player, coach, or front office guy doesn’t understand that then they shouldn’t be here.
Derek Lee has no idea about ’69, ’84, ’89 and so on. Hell, he celebrated our misery in ’03 with the Marlins! Same goes for Soriano, Ramirez, Fukudome, and the rest of that pathetic bunch.
The game has left me. I paid a couple hundred dollars a seat a few times this season. If they want to get paid that much money to play and if the owners want to collect that type of revenue at the gate, then they better perform on the field. THEY changed the game not me. If I didn’t have to break the piggy bank every time I went to a game then I could accept less than perfect and enjoy my day at the ballpark. Not now, not anymore.
I’m embarrassed by this team and it’s lack of spirit in bringing home the title. They played flat, emotionless, and disinterested. What a JOKE. Derrick “double play” Lee needs to be gone! Pinella has been outmanaged in two straight playoffs. Fool me once shame on you , fool me twice… you know the rest. I am ashamed and extremely disheartened. I can no longer allow myself to be so emotionaly involved with this pathetic excuse for an organization!
by HomerInTheGloamin' on Oct 5, 2008 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cool
One more ticket for the rest of us. I don’t understand all the babies in here, its like you’ve all convinced yourselves that the Cubs have a personal vendetta against you and your “blind devotion”. Like the team is some kind of evil hot chick that just wants to trample on your feelings. Sorry but its just a baseball team, they fell apart at the end like many teams do in many other sports. Thats the way it is, if you want to root for a team that wins all the time you’ll have to wait until the end of baseball season so you can root for that years WS victors. Good luck with that, I’ll be watching the Cubs, and if they suck next year…well so be it, thats life — my mistake for not picking a winning team when I was a little kid.
by StevenABQ on Oct 5, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen. Oh, and sorry about the MSU-Iowa game this past weekend, Sue.
Go GREEN!
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)
by Zeke on Oct 6, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah thanks. I think we
are our own worst enemy.
by sue369 on Oct 6, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gutsy call on 4th & a foot tho.
The way your RB was slicing through holes, it was a good call. We thought you would pick it up and likely drive in for the winning TD.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)
by Zeke on Oct 6, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you can look back fondly on the double OT win last year...;(
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)
by Zeke on Oct 6, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually the joke is on you
for paying a couple hundred dollars a seat for a regular season game
by scarymonsters85 on Oct 5, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think StevenABQ is right
These last 3 games totally sucked but it certainly isn’t a reflection on who I am as a fan. I’m in love with a team that played the best baseball this summer that I have ever seen them play in my entire life – wow, that was fun !!!
There is a difference between being disappointed with the team and being unhappy with them. I am not unhappy with them. This franchise is finally moving in the right direction. I am certainly disappointed since they did have the makings to go further.
Once a Cub fan, always a Cub fan.
by coral on Oct 5, 2008 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said Homer
You summed up my feelings to a T. I can deal with this team not winning the World Series, but to get swept 2 years in a row? 5 Months of following every inning of every game, down the tube in a matter of 5 days. It’s not just that, it’s like you said, for the 2nd straight season, this team seemed to not care whether they won or lost. Appeared completely disintersted and completely void of any emotion. Why should I care if they don’t? This team is full of overpaid pampered puzzies who don’t have the competive desire to win. That was obvious last year against the DBacks and this year against the Dodgers. The moods in the dugouts of both those teams, were night and day of the laid back Cubs dugout. I never thought that would happen with a Lou Piniella lead team, but that it has for the 2nd straight season.
Another good point you made, was that most of these players don’t seem to care about the fans or winning it for the fans. Hell, I think some don’t even lke the Cub fans. Lee made a blanket statement earlier in the season supported that and saying that Cub fans are basically drunk and obnoxious and don’t really follow the game or know much about the game. That’s sad. What’s even sadder is, that most of these joverpaid jackasses like Zambrano, Fukudome and Soriano are going to be here for a while.
This team completely laid down. I got blasted earlier in the season that even though the Cubs were winning, I still felt this team had holes and was still mediocre. Even when they had the best record in the League. This team proved me right. It pains me to say it, but I told you all so.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Oct 7, 2008 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been a fan since 1971
and while I’ll never stop rooting for the Cubs, a little bit of my passion does die a little bit with each disappointment.
It’s like my brother said, if the Cubs can win 97 games during the regular season and then completely fold up like a house of cards in the first round of the playoffs, how are we supposed to get excited about the regular season again/
by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks for writing this.. I will also take a big big step back from this team....
nice entertainment with a beer and friends, but lets keep ourselves in this universe. no matter what happens next year, it means nothing come the playoffs. this year was hopefully a lesson for all.
by BCB Vienna on Oct 5, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to keep reminding myself
that it really is only a game and has zero significance in the vast scheme of things. Sometimes that thought really does console me-other times though, the pain still returns
by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fan for 15+ years
I’ll be back next year. But that really sucked.
by dr stabbingworth on Oct 5, 2008 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta admit, I am giving second thoughts
to all the time, energy, emotions and $$ I commit to this team. I can’t even imagine attending the Cubs convention this year. For what? To be told “This is our year!”. BS.
Dallas Green!
by SonnyJ9 on Oct 5, 2008 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't believe
How many hotel cancellations Hilton had for Convention today (no joke).
by ak123 on Oct 5, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that really true?
if it is, that’s truly amazing (and very telling)-the Cubs have to take notice of something like that and do something major in teh off season to stop the bleeding
by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to know if that's really true.
And I hope it’s true.
It would really send a message to the organization about how bitterly disappointing this joke of a postseason is for the fans.
If anyone else here was planning on attending the convention, I suggest canceling.
by southloop on Oct 5, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was told
That there were many cancellations. Guess is fans just aren’t willing to spend $300+ for a weekend. Others might not find it a reason to fly in. Can’t blame them I guess.
by ak123 on Oct 5, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How bout someone try to MAKE a reservation ?
The Convention will be sold out and the rooms will be sold too. Actually this will be my first year STAYING in the Hilton
but I am splitting with my nephew so not a bad deal.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 5, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's great.
"I love when they play that Go Cubs Win song."
by BMoney79 on Oct 5, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should stop caring
until this organization gives us a reason to care. I’ve been watching less Cubs games each year because for me it’s not about the regular season anymore. 97 wins doesn’t mean crap right now does it? I’m tired of watching the White Sox, Red Sox, Angels, Cardinals win the friggin WS! We need a real contender, not just a team that can make the playoffs. I packed up my Cubs gear in a box and will not be wearing anything out in public until sometime next season because I don’t want to have to defend this joke of a team right now. Unfortunately, none of us can completely stop being fans or switch to another team but there comes a time when you have to put down the kool-aid and face reality.
by LerxstCub on Oct 5, 2008 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's that the organization doesn't care
it’s more that they make very bad personnel decisions. For instance, the Soriano deal; I fully admit that I was excited when it happened but now it’s hard not to agree with a friend of mine who said, at teh time, that it would be a millstone around the team’s neck.
Fukodome is another classic; once again i gave the Cubs talent evaluators the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were doing (and to be fair, the Cubs weren’t the only team that tried hard to sign him). What gets me is that. once I had a chance to watch him on an everyday basis, his flaws just seemed SO obvious. I mean, don’t they have scouts scrutinizing these guys before they toss away millions of dollars? It was especially interesting to read the other day in the Herald that “alarm bells first went off for Pinella when he noticed several holes in Dome’s swing in spring training”. That line absolutely blew my mind-so Pinella could see it pretty much right away but Hendry’s people could scout this guy for literally years and never pick up on these flaws.
Anyway, now we’re stuck with a 136 million dollar lead-off man with zero baseball acumen-no ability to but or move the runners along, or hit good pitching to save his life (and he’s a defensive liability to boot).
we have a right fielder who, while above anerage defensively, shows no signs of ever being able to hit major league pitching.
I’ve been a defender of Jim Hendry all along-you can’t argue that many of his trades have been borderline brilliant-but, that being said, I have a feeling that teh Soriano and Fukodome signings are what ultimately ends his career as a Gm once new ownership is in place.
by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait until the Rays
win it all this year. That’ll blow everybody’s mind. All two of their fans will rejoice.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 5, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stopped caring so much back in '03
I decided after that season that I would remain just a bit emotionally detached from what the team was doing not so much during the regular season, but in any post-season activity. I hate to say it, but I went into this series just assuming they were going to blow it and keep my expectation low. There’s little downside to that approach in my opinion. If they were to actually win, it would be wonderfully fantastic. If they lose, well then they met my expectations. To be honest, I pretty much ignored this series other than to spot check the games from time to time to see the score.
Sure, it’s a dysfunctional way to root for a team, but it is, after all, the Cubs we’re talking about here. The only thing now that will truly piss me off is for either the Brewers or the White Sox (ESPECIALLY) the Sox to go any further than the 1st round. I’m already annoyed that the Brewers are taking it to at least a 4th game.
My attitude now is – SHARE THE DESPAIR!.
by madmf on Oct 5, 2008 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know EXACTLY what you mean
I had the same sad epiphany after ‘03.
I really didn’t think they’d get past the Dodgers and i thought i was prepared for the letdown. At the same time though, I never expected them to completely self destruct the way they did-that’s the only part that really gets to me.
by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time to become the casual fan.............
…………..and to make $$$ scalping my season tickets to the mopes who still want to put up with this garbage. I’ll pour the profits into the stock market. Can’t pick any bigger losers than this ballclub.
Sorry, but I’m not going to be one of those people (uhm, suckers) who tells stories about their annual heartache over this team. Ones heart does not ache when it’s been turned to stone and the Cubs have finally Medusa-ed mine.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on Oct 5, 2008 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A sad but wise reaction
I only wish i could do the same but it’s almost like I’m a junky-maybe there should be a “Cub Fans Anonymous” to help us get past this.
by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
STOP
Stop buying tickets
Stop buying merchandise
Go back to the days when the Cubs drew 5k for a day game. As long as we, the Cubs Nation continue to settle for the hype/propaganda, continue to make excuses for bad playoff baseball and bad regular season play, as long as we settle for announcers that are politically correct and worried for their jobs, instead of telling the fans about lazy ball players, less than average talent (remember, these stiffs would never have made a major league team 30 years ago), and the incredible over hype of the Chicago Cubs mystique, we will continue to never win..period
by Opie Murton on Oct 5, 2008 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yall can quit good
one more ticket opportunity for me!
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this is incredible to me
and flat out DISGUSTING
i can’t believe the sentiments i’ve seen on this board.
I’ll be back next year. This team is a part of me, it always will be. I need a break from baseball after this disappointment, but am i giving up on something i’ve loved this long? NO
What i might need to give up is unfortunately this site. Growing up far away from Chicago I always thought what made our fan base special was the loyalty, love, and feeling of family you have when you root for the Cubs. Maybe I was naive, not growing up in it, but that’s what being a Cub fan has meant to me, and this disappointment isn’t going to change that.
I need a break from the Cubs and baseball, but more than anything I need a break from the sad realization that this fan-base seems has become so obsessed with this damn world series quest that everything i grew up being taught about what it was to be a Cubs fan has seemingly been lost.
Do i want to end this damn streak, of course. And this year hurts more than any other year i’ve been a fan. But being a Cubs fan, to me atleast, is more than just the quest of a title, its embedded in me as part of my soul and part of my family. Like a sibling that’s disappointed you, i’m frustrated and angered, but I can never stop loving them
by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 5, 2008 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I agree with you for the most part
but you also have to understand that this is a hard day for all of us-people need to be angry, to vent, to do whatever is necessary to get past this heartache.
I already know that, as depressed as i am right now, I’ll be back living and dying with them in six months.
For now though, we each need to deal wit this in our won way.
Today, I’m cutting everybody slack.
by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you implying its harder for some than others?
look its hard for ALL of us. I understand that. You want to vent your frustrations that’s fine. Half of the people venting today have been venting since Thursday though, when they said they were done with this team.
This is an empty feeling after a very exciting regular season, it is for ALL OF US. But does it really make it any better to “disown” this team? Really? Is that how people deal with frustration and disappointment they just quit and rally the troops to quit with them?
I understand venting, i understand airing frustration with Soriano or Aramis or Dempster or Pineilla, etc. I GET IT, I’M PISSED TOO
but saying you’re done with this team forever isn’t the type of fan base I grew up feeling a part of. Now maybe i was naive, i don’t know…
by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 5, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't implying anything.
You obviously want to pick a fight and so are going to twist anything I say into something negative. Sorry, but I’m not interested.
The point I was trying to make and that you seem to have missed was that people are reacting with a lot of anger right now and so are possibly saying things that they don’t mean and will go back on later once they’ve had a chance to cool off.
Like I said, everyone has their own way of dealing with it-you’re way is to get mad at the people who are “disowning the team” and attack them. that’s your way of venting and I respect that. Whatever works.
I have a pretty good idea that most everybody will be back once pitchers and catchers report in Februrary.
by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we are all different
and can feel different levels of passion for the Cubs. Nobody is a jerk for dissing the cubs as much as they want this week. How much time does everyone have to follow the Cubs every day? How many people go to Convention, Spring Training, Fantasy Camp, season, post season games?
I think some people pain can be gauged by how much time and money they invest in the Cubs.
I know Cub fans who are dedicated and pure and have not done one of the above, and I know fans that have done all of the above.
I know for myself, I was a stay at home Dad for our new boy this year. I watched more Cubs games in one season than I have ever seen before.I got to hear every WGN Radio post game, listen to a lot of Cubscast podcasts, and I have done all the stuff listed above.
It hurts, it hurts like Hell. I know that has a lot to do with how much time I spent on the Cubs each day this year. My daughter likes the Cubs, and my son said “Go, Cus Go” before his 1st birthday, as he heard it a lot on the tv this year.
My 1st date with my wife was the 1st Cubs game after 9/11. As many have said, the Cubs are part of me and my life. My son was born when the Cubs clinched the 2007 Division Title.
We all get it. I don’t think those that want to burn shirts, or swear off the team for a while should be made fun of.
I know I will be back, but there is something to be said for pulling back next year and not being so involved, and I don’t think I am a baby for saying that game #2 of the playoffs was the most embarrassed I have ever been as a Cubs fan. I could not even bring myself to wear my Cubs hat when I went out today.
So I will say they suck, and they blew it, and it pissed me off.
Good Guys Wear Blue
by Cubskingdom on Oct 5, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Oct 5, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will be back.
The Cubs are the only baseball team I care about. Not moving on hurts but my life will go on. I will be excited for the season to start next spring.
by sue369 on Oct 5, 2008 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too
and, Dartmouth, notice that many of the posters in this thread aren’t regular BCB’ers.
This hurts.
by Emelie on Oct 5, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly the type of attitude that keeps people away is the attitude that some of the regulars have that they're somehow better than everyone else or that their opinion is more important.
I won’t give up on the Cubs but I think I may take a break from this website because of the superiority attitude by some people
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Oct 5, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't make them any less of a fan....
does it? The BCB is not the be all and end all of showing your devotion to the Cubs.
The worst posts after this collapse is the “you’re not a REAL fan if you give up” crap.
I think it’s perfectly natural to have lowered expectations next spring considering how we’ve underperformed the last 2 playoffs. Or even give up on investing as much to this team as some have done this year.
I’ll be there next spring. I think we’ll be the favorites in the Central again. But until we do something in the playoffs, my devotion will remain, for lack of a better phrase, on an “even keel”.
Thanks for the wild ride, Cubbies, but, in the end, I'm feeling nothing but nausea...
by carmen_fanzone on Oct 5, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 I won't put as much time or effort into this team next year.
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Oct 5, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let me clarify
my response to Dartmouth came from his remark that
What i might need to give up is unfortunately this site. Growing up far away from Chicago I always thought what made our fan base special was the loyalty, love, and feeling of family you have when you root for the Cubs. Maybe I was naive, not growing up in it, but that’s what being a Cub fan has meant to me, and this disappointment isn’t going to change that.
Reading through the many comments today what struck me most was the fact that so many of them came from individuals who had not posted here before … or if they did they did so rarely, which I think skews the true nature of BCB. I’m not saying anything about whether or not they are “real” fans — I think that whole argument is silly. No one can say for someone else what it is they believe, profess or feel. Nor am I making the observation out of any sense of superiority … adopting an attitude of superiority, to my mind, betrays a sense of inferiority.
Our emotions are on full boil for very good reason. I understand the need to let it out and we’ll all be twice shy come Opening Day. I would just hate to see regular contributors abandon the site because of the remarks of a bunch of lurkers.
This hurts.
by Emelie on Oct 5, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said, Em
It does skew the nature a bit. We’re all upset, we’re all disappointed. I’ve thought and said that I don’t think that I can invest as much in 2009 as I did in 2008 — and maybe that’s true. Maybe it’s a good thing if that were true, because it’s a diversion, not real life.
But the point is that much of what is happening here is venting, not how people really think.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well thanks for clearing that up
I’m sure you can understand why some people may feel offended because there opinion is automatically dismissed because they may be new or not have as many posts as the regulars.
By the way I not sure what the criteria is to become a regular…lol.
We’re all hurting, let’s just be sure we recognize that no matter how many times you’ve been here, I think your opinion should be welcomed, unless of course you’re Blue Mike….It’s a joke son!
Have a great off season
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Oct 5, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GASP! They aren't regulars!
BACK OF THE BUS!
by Worf on Oct 5, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be back....
But that’s because I came back in ‘00, ’01, ’02, ’03, ’05, ’06, and ’07. I’ve been a fan for longer than that, but I first got invested in 98 and really invested in ‘03. Anyway, those seasons came after we hadn’t even made the playoffs, and somehow I came back. I’m disgusted by the way the team performed in the playoffs, and I’m not just happy that we got there, but I can’t set like a minimum win standard on my fandom….
by hmlee on Oct 5, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reality Check...
The sad fact is, when you buy into being a Cub fan, you buy into a lot of heartache and disappointment. and what’s more, it’s a large part of the mystique of this franchise. Call it a curse, call it whatever. If you are going to become a Cub fan you better get used to losing fast.
For however many years each and every one of us has dealt with failure. This year was particularly painful only because of the promise. But I’m not sure why the “shock and awe” and anger. If you want to cheer for a perennial winner you better jump on the Yankee bandwagon…
by MIMuggles on Oct 5, 2008 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Patience, Hell!
I’m going to kill something. This is my 45th time to have to say “Wait until next year.” I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore. Beseball not been berry berry good to me. I’m sure my Cubs hat and jersey, etc. will come out of storage once the weather starts to warm up and spring training is in the air but right now I want to forget I ever heard of the Chicago National League Ball Club.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 5, 2008 11:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to kill something?
Are you a sane individual? wow.
by jajonez77 on Oct 5, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's give everyone some slack...people are half joking...and we're all in misery
…in the game thread even preacherman said he felt like killing a cat (IIRC), and started calling people “snarks”. if preacherman can lose his cool, let’s admit that all the rest of us can also…
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Oct 5, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a quote from an old poster that shows two vultures talking to each other.
It’s an expression of frustration. Lighten up. It’s all joking which at this point is about all a Cubs fan can do.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 5, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude you scared me.
I was really worried for you. Thanks for clearing that up.
by sue369 on Oct 5, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for caring, Sue. I am fine; or at least in better mental condition than some here.
See you all in Feb when this all starts over again in Mesa.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 5, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my view
I will be back, but I will never again view this team the same. They will collapse until they prove me wrong.
If any fan wants to bail, I can’t blame him or her. And if the team wins it next year, I for one will welcome those people back with open arms.
There are no rules here. This is grief. It is not as life-altering as the loss of a loved one, or a job, or a pet or even a beloved car.
But it is grief. There are no rules.
The only thing I will rail against is people trying to dictate how other people grief. Leave us alone to deal with it as we wish.
by Worf on Oct 5, 2008 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 good show my friend
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Oct 5, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a Cub fan for life
Hey it was a disappointing end of the season. But it was a very entertaining season! The Cubs were in the playoffs in two consecutive seasons! Come on there are more important things we need to worry much more about in our nation.
What is wrong with you people that are saying they won’t care about next year? Next year could be the year they do get to the World Series. I think adding maybe two or three new players is all that is needed.
I for one love baseball. It was the only sport I played that I was good at. Like Harry used to say “You can’t beat fun at the old ball park”.
We’re Cubs fans we have been disappointed before. Maybe now that this 100 year thing is past we can just relax and see what next year brings.
Cheer up people we will have to wait till next year once again. It was still lots of fun this year and I will remember the good things that happened. Just like I did in all the other years.
by billkelly on Oct 5, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I will back SAME as always
I won’t change a THING. Frankly part of me is insulated to collapse, for me it was 84 that was the big one. I don’t happen to think the whole year was worthless, I have great memories of a lot of games. There will be no lessoning of ticket demand and no movement on the waiting list. I don’t want to go over the last horrid 3 games but I find it just silly that people say the players don’t want to win enough or have no heart. I have my issues ( Howry, Lou ,Sori batting leadoff) but shit happens. I don’t want to generalize but the majority of the " I don’t care and I won’t watch them anymore" posts seem to come primarily from people I don’t really recognize. Your perfectly entitled to your view but I plan to be out at Wrigley next April.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 5, 2008 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
People will never care less...
…but I would think they be battle tested enouph to be a little more objective in how they view things.
As always, things are usually never quite as good as they appear when your team is winning and not quite as bad when they are losing. Its a hard thing to do as a fan, but in reading this board over time, it is amazing the way people can change opinions on players and even the team after one win, one loss or even a few bad at bats.
This team has some good players and some decent depth, but it has become blantantly obvious there is something missing to make them a champion. It won’t take a house cleaning to get there, but 2-3 smart, statment making moves need to be done this offseason to change the makeup and to interject something the club didn’t have in 07 or 08.
The warts have been exposed in 2 playoff years in a row, and lets see if they acknowledge there presense and have the flexibility to make the necessary changes.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2008 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Since I'm in Tampa now, not Chicago...
…it is time for me to get behind the local ball club, which just happens to be a young, well managed, energetic, confident baseball team. Everything the Cubs have never been and never will be.
I’ll enjoy watching from afar, and I hope you all win it someday, but this has been the last straw. I cannot waste another precious minute of my limited time on earth following this disaster of an organization.
GO RAYS!
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 2:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now, the Rays have
three fans.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 5, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to start somewhere...
Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!
by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't begrudge Tampa Bay for doing well...
My mother and sister both live in the Tampa area and I attend a Rays game or two when I visit them during the summer. For a franchise that spent their first decade writing the book on “How Not To Run a Baseball Team”, I am happy to see them succeeding although I’d never, not for a second, consider rooting for the Rays above the Cubs.
Hopefully, the Rays’ success will allow them to move forward with their stadium plans and begin to build a larger and more dedicated fan base in the bay area….although the stadium plans don’t address the franchise’s most glaring problem, which is that they play in St. Pete rather than across the bay in Tampa.
"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko
by LaddieRenfroe on Oct 6, 2008 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes, I can
and I will. I don’t care how bad the team was, nobody cared. Obviously, they only care when the team wins. When the team stops winning, there will be 11K fans back at the game, new ballpark or not….as we can look south at the Marlins as a perfect example. 2 World Titles. Nobody cares, except for those two weeks of World Series action. I sure wanted the Tribe to beat that team. Didn’t happen. And, of course, we all remember 2003.
Life isn’t fair, we all know that. But the Rays, or what ever their name is, will probably go to, and win the series. No expectations, no history, no ‘curses’ no — nothing. The franchise is a zero.
But, maybe that’s better. Maybe they have a better way of looking at it. They are detached from the team. If they win, whoo-hoo, look at us. (After they used mapquest to find their way to the ballpark) If they lose again, they don’t care.
This community, and I mean all Cubs fans — cares too much. I care too much. It ain’t healthy.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a rays fan for years...
I resent what you’re saying. The cubs are my NL team, and I didn’t have an AL team until the Rays came around. I live in Orlando, and I went to 5 rays games this year, and saw em twice in spring training.
Attendance has been WAY up this year, partly due to their winning, but you also have to take into account that before the change in ownership of the team, they were hard to get behind and go to the games. The new owner lowered ticket prices, made parking free, and hired good baseball people to build a good team. We didn’t have that before.
People in Tampa, St. Petersburg, Orlando, Sarasota, and Ft. Meyers love the rays, and they’ve loved them since the beginning. The big problem, is that their stadium is in St. Pete. That’s almost 3 hours away from Orlando with traffic. People from here in Orlando didn’t want to go very often to see a team with an awful payroll, that cost an arm and a leg to see.
Now, me and my buddies can go, park for free, and buy $10 tickets to get in. Kinda offsets the gas it costs to get there when the product is inexpensive.
Also, Tampa is different. Nobody went to Bucs games or Lightning games when they sucked, but now that they’ve achieved some success, they don’t have any trouble attracting fans, even when they’re mediocre, because they have good ownership.
I guess what I’m trying to say is, maybe you shouldn’t be so judgemental of rays fans, as being “detached.” We’ve always wanted a winner just as much as you and I have always wanted a Cubs winner.
by ChrisInFla on Oct 6, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got your back
No fan should be expected to support a team that is bad. There is simply too much to do in life, and too many options out there, to rationally expect someone to attend 20+ games and make time to watch at least parts of the rest to see a bad team.
This isn’t the 50s, when there were 16 teams and three channels on TV. You want the fan today? Win.
I got your back, Chris.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Oct 6, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
St. Pete versus Tampa proper
Chris, you do job of explaining the Rays’ biggest problem, which is that they play in St. Pete. While the Al Lang field site is a beautiful spot for a new park, it’s still in St. Pete so even if they build public support, get the funding, and erect a gorgeous new facility, they’re still cut off from a big part of their market. If they were in Tampa, they’d be in the larger of the area’s primary cities and, more importantly, an area that has a younger population with more disposable income. On top of that, the Rays would be able to draw much better from Orlando.
I do disagree that “people…love the Rays”. It might feel that way now, all of a sudden, but they’re not supplanting the Bucs. If they start slowly next year, attendance will be right back to where it’s always been because they play in a concrete mausoleum that’s too far away. There is a dedicated fanbase which you are clearly a part of, but it’s very small compared to almost every other MLB team. Sorry to say that…I’m just happy that those fans that have stayed with it since ’98, however few in number, are now being rewarded…
…I’ll respond Smooth Jazz Man below…
"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko
by LaddieRenfroe on Oct 6, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Marlins illustrate why you SHOULD root for Tampa this year
The comparison to the Marlins shows that you’ve got it backwards and are making a snap judgment that really amounts nothing but bitterness.
Let’s look at both the Marlins and Arizona. In both instances, ownership immediately started spending money and those expansion teams won quickly, rewarding their neophyte fans even though those fans hadn’t earned that reward with suffering. Tampa Bay is different.
The Rays fans, however few in number, were not rewarded immediately. Instead, they were subject to a decade of utter misery…an awful stadium in a terrible location, indifferent and imcompetent executives, and, most importantly, wretched baseball on the field. Imagine watching the 2002 Cubs every year, except that you had to do so in a concrete tomb that was located in Batavia. Under those conditions, it’s easy to see why they don’t have many fans. But that relatively small number that has stuck with through ten straight seasons of 90+ losses…I won’t begrudge those people a good team.
You’re right, we Cub fans have gone through too much, considering how much many of us care. We feel it most keenly after a debacle like this one. But I’m not going to project my bitterness outwards by mocking other fans that have suffered, even if they don’t have the history of suffering that we do.
"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko
by LaddieRenfroe on Oct 6, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rec'd this post
just so we can go back and look at it a year from now and laugh at our collective dismay and anger.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space. That day appears to be near.
by chilango2 on Oct 5, 2008 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A year from now
if this team is fortunate enough to enter the postseason, there will be an INCREDIBLE amount of skepticism & cynicism that they can get past the Division series, let alone be competitive. The wild exuberant optimism that we all felt this year will be gone and our expectations will be lower. In a sense, these team sucked the life out of us and even if they go 162-0 next year we will not “believe”.
As a lifelong fan it makes me incredibly sad, but like everyone else here I will follow the Cubs religiously as soon as Spring Training begins because I cannot imagine my life WITHOUT the Cubs.
by JFCubFan on Oct 5, 2008 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm beginning to imagine it...
Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!
by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the lower expectations
will take some of the pressure off the team.
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on Oct 6, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
that they need to compete for the wild card or something and not cruise the division, maybe a little fighting spirit well help them get past the first round for once.
CUBS WIN CUBS WIN CUBS WIN
by GarlicFryCubFan on Oct 6, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That didn't work in '98 or '07
Maybe it helped in ’03
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on Oct 6, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next year will be different
Things can’t help but be different next year. There is no way for 2009 to be “The Year” the way this year was. That isn’t because of the 100 year thing but because of the elevated expectation. Coming off a good but not great year, then having a really excellent regular season created a magical aura around the 08 club. The only way that there sill be another “magical” season the way this one felt (as 2003 felt, as 1989 felt, as 1984 felt, and I assume 1969 felt) will be for the Cubs to go in the tank next year, then re-emerge with a different persona sometime in the future (as the 07/08 teams did after the 03/04 teams).
Simply put, It will be hard to get as excited about the regular season next year. This is of course a double edge sword. It is good that we will all come to expect a team that belongs in the post season. THe downside of course is that we risk becoming the Braves or Yankees, where the fans have a certain, wake me when we are in the World Series attitude.
sadness
Eamus Ursuli!
by WGNstatic on Oct 5, 2008 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You bet I'll be back
I’ve spent 30+ years rooting for this club, and I can’t imagine being behind any other team.
Further, this season I’ve discovered this site, full of fellow fans with whom I can cheer, share, joke, identify, and commiserate. I’m not giving this up, no way.
The 2003 postseason gave me this outer veneer of caution, and 2007 reinforced it, so, although disappointed, I wasn’t going to get too giddy in this postseason until the Cubs actually won a game, surpassing last postseason. I was probably one of the luckier ones…sure doesn’t feel like it, though.
I approach every new season hopeful, and I admit being swept away with all this unexpected success the Cubs had. I lived and died by the Cubs more this season than any other, because I believed more than ever that this would be the year.
So, the Cubs go back to square one in ‘09, and we watch their journey all over again, hopeful, faithful, and wishful. Maybe the team has learned something. Maybe we’ll guard our hearts more carefully. Maybe it will be the season. Maybe catastrophe happens and we don’t get even a sniff of first place. Who knows? I’m willing to find out.
A love of something, even a baseball team, requires some risk, as is often the case, the more the risk, the sweeter the reward.
So, yes, I plan to be back, and I will follow the Cubs, and hope for the best—that what didn’t kill the hearts of Cubs fans this year will also make them stronger.
See you in ’09, Milton—hopefully, a lot.
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Oct 5, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very disappointing year but...
…think about the Atlanta Braves. They won their division 14 times out of 16 years and made it to the World Series only once (1995). Talk about frustration! We won our division only twice. We have a long ways to go to match the Braves’ futility.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Oct 5, 2008 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, they made it more than once
Lost to Minnesota. Too lazy to look up if they made it any other times.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
They made it to the WS 5 times and won it once. In all they made it to at least the NLCS 9 times.
by LerxstCub on Oct 5, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what is sad?
We could look back on this as “the good times”
Two playoff appearances in a row? That would look good compared to the early 90s.
I don’t mean this to be a mindless optimist. I mean this as a commentary on how sad a franchise this is.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Oct 5, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000
and a very scary possibility, because it has been the Cubs pattern; never been consistently good in our lifetimes.
by Carolina Cubbie on Oct 5, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Requiem For A Dream
It’s a #$@^! shame that after six months of fantastic baseball, the Cubs have gone three-and-out in the NLDS. Things ended a hell of a lot quicker than I was hoping.
I’ve skimmed through most of the recent fan posts, and I haven’t found one comment that I haven’t made myself during my thirty years of following the Cubs. The heartbreak, the blind fury, the badmouthing of players I never cared for to begin with, the desire to burn all my Cubs merchandise in a bonfire…if it’s any consolation to those feeling this way (particularly the youngsters and newbies out there), I know what you’re going through. It sucks. It sucks a LOT.
My advice would be to keep rooting for the Cubs, but don’t make the mistake of investing your entire heart and soul in them. In fact, don’t make the mistake of investing your entire heart and soul in any sports team. The payoffs are few and far between, and what you get back isn’t one-tenth as much as what you put into it. If you want total satisfaction from something and really get your money’s worth, find it in your family or in your church or in a good movie or book or concert. Find it in something truly meaningful. Don’t ever get so worked up about a team that you fly into a mindless rage and embarrass yourself in front of family and friends like I did back in 2003.
Someone mentioned Billy Corgan saying that after the 2003 NLCS part of him died. The same goes for me, too. Now I mean no disrespect to those of us who have experienced real tragedy – I’m talking just about life as a Cubs fan. The agony of losing the pennant when you’re five outs away from it was so devastating that it left me scarred. It sent me into a sadness that, frankly, I still haven’t gotten over. And the failures of the team since then certainly haven’t helped.
Regarding this series, I honestly think the pressure got to them. Starting with Dempster overthrowing in Game One, and then the errors in Game Two, and then Lou’s “show some balls” tirade, and then the utter lack of key hits with runners on base – things just snowballed until it became an avalanche. The Cubs were thoroughly unable to properly focus on the pitch/at-bat/play at hand. My greatest fear is that fatalism will settle into the clubhouse and the players will give into failure at the slightest hint of adversity. If that happens, then this group of players will need to be turned over – not an easy task with all the backloaded contracts and NTCs.
I’ll post my thoughts on next year’s roster in a few days. Meanwhile I’m hoping for either a Red Sox/Phillies World Series or a Rays/Phillies World Series.
Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.
by CaliCub on Oct 5, 2008 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Personally...
… I am not going to stop caring, but I think I’m committed to a more healthy level of being a fan. I mean it… look at the reactions that we have here. Look at how wrapped up we get in our team. Yes, we’re fans and we should invest in but for many of us to think that we care more than the players whose career this is, who have devoted their lives to the sport, and who feel the immense pressure from the fans. The booing and ill will that seems to get directed towards the players when they fail and the overall extreme nature, I believe, has really gotten out of hand over the last several years. ’
So I’m committed to enjoying the game more and I’m going to start by watching the rest of the playoffs. Last year, after the Cubs lost, I did not watch any more baseball, feeling that the Cubs should have been in those games. Not this year. I love this game. I wish that the Cubs were in these games. They’re not, and I’m going to enjoy the last 10-20 games that we have before the off season. I love baseball for the sport that it is and I know that by the time spring rolls around I’d pay money to watch two last place teams on TV.
I believe that even with no changes the Cubs will win the 2009 NL Central. I believe that without any changes, though, they’d likely see a similar fate. I will “buy in” when they win a few playoff games.
by dmlichte on Oct 5, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll be watching all the remaining games with you.
It’s still baseball and it’s all good. Everything else is just waiting.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 5, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can feel all the frustration
but listen to yourselves. We flopped in the playoffs two years in a row. We should make it in next year for the THIRD year in a row. Keep making the playoffs every year, many teams would be glad to get there and never say you would rather lose all year than win and get to the playoffs and lose. Be a fan as long as I have and you will relish the fact we made the playoffs. We’ll win, we will win.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Oct 5, 2008 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Io me it's okay to be a fan who endures and who is also critical of the team.
The two are not mutually exclusive. It’s also okay/reasonable for fans to vent after such a disappointing showing in the playoffs.
Everyone will be back, as they should.
by DudeVf11 on Oct 5, 2008 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I won't care as much
Here is how my week went. I usually am in bed by 11, get up at 5 a.m., go to the gym, come back, feed the dogs and screw around on the Internet until my wife finishes getting ready. Then I shower and am at work by 8 a.m.
On Wednesday night, I didn’t fall asleep until 12:30 a.m. on Thursday, I skipped my workout. Ate junk food for breakfast and didn’t really get motivated at work until 10 a.m.
On Thursday night, I watched every pitch and fell asleep on the couch about 1 a.m. I somehow made it to the gym Friday morning and quit after 15 minutes on the elliptical. I drove to a parking lot and listened to Mike & Mike read e-mails from other Cubs fans.
Last night, my wife had to leave early and asked if I would sleep on the couch so I wouldn’t wake her up. Relishing the chance to have the house to myself, I gladly agreed. I switched to TiVo stuff the second Soriano struck out and I think I ate my way through the pantry. I was useless this morning.
No more will I allow this team to disrupt my routine. If they give up 7 walks in 5 innings again, I’m going to bed at a decent hour. 4 errors? I’ve got to get to sleep.
They have lost my trust. I will be the ultimate fairweather fan from now on. They are clearly fairweather players.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Oct 5, 2008 5:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll care....
if they win or lose that day. But, I’ll never again believe THIS IS THE YEAR! I’ll watch or listen to my typical 155-162 games a year and enjoy baseball being played and cheer the wins and grumble about the losses. But, I’ll never think this is THE TEAM. I’ll just go day to day. If they make the playoffs I’ll pop my popcorn, open a beer and hope they win, but when they lose I’ll just shrug my shoulders and think, typical for these guys.
I don’t mind losing in the playoffs, except for two years straight this team has looked like complete crap out there. I wouldn’t have minded losing in a fierce dogfight in three straight, but what happened out there was disgraceful. I will not really care about some of these players next year after seeing the past two playoff performances. They hit a homer, great! They strike out, well heck they must be in playoff mode is going to be my thoughts. I’ll never again get caught up in the belief this team will win it all… if they do (I can’t even imagine that happening) I’ll be overjoyed and celebrate, but I will not ever expect it ever again,,,, ever. Go Cubs… win today….. that is my hope for them and that is all I am ever gonna care about from now on.
I was thinking of making a comeback until I pulled a muscle -- vacuuming.
-Johnny Bench
by collies-n-baseball on Oct 5, 2008 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you're on the right track
My wife, mother, father, sister, sister’s husband, wife’s brother, wife’s father and most of the rest of my family are Cards fans.
In 2006, NONE of them believed the Cards had a prayer of winning a game in the playoffs, much less 11.
Oh, they followed it. My wife and I had been dating a couple of months and we went out to a sports bar and watched four of the five World Series games (and watched the other one at her house)
They had no expectations and were happy.
That’s the secret. No more, “It’s gonna happen,” crap. Never. Assume they will fail until they don’t.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Oct 5, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do they keep showing Cubs videos
on the TBS commercials for itself? Soriano scoring, Z’s no-hitter last pitch. I hate TBS.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 5, 2008 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They can't change those spots overnight
And they probably won’t change them, because even they figured the Cubs would be a lock.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right
but you would think the way they can show an instant replay of something 3 seconds after it happens TBS could change a commercial within a few days.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 6, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, they can change those spots overnight.
It should be as simple as deleting them from their computer that schedules these things and replacing them with those from teams that are, you know, actually still in the playoffs.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 8, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perspective
Worf, you hit the nail on the head. If IT happens, IT happens. I am sooooo tired of hearing and seeing “IT’s GONNA HAPPEN”. The t-shirts, the stupid signs people hold up for the cameras to pan in on. Just stop it already.Take a step back. Take a deep breath. All of you. Put this into perspective. We got beat by a much better team.
Was I pissed after 03? Damn right. Am I pissd now? Not really. They gave up. Wasn’t meant to be.
How will we know when ‘it happens’? After the 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th game of the World Series. When it happens. Enough of this crap.
No more heart-breaking losses. I refuse to care that much. Not worth it. Cubs aren’t that important to me anymore.
Maybe some younger fans, I’m 38, will have a harder time , but not me.
They had a good season. Two Central Division Championships in a row. It’s a start. Moves will be made. Trades and free-agency.
Once you start expecting wins and World Championships, it will come. When you view yourselves as this “It’s Gonna Happen” franchise, focusing on the fact you haven’t won in a hundred years, it’s just pathetic. Embarrassing even.
This seasons over. Life goes on. Always does. Let’s see what next year brings.
MTM
MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT ALREADY. THIS GAME IS ABOUT ADJUSTMENTS.
by MaTheMeatloaf on Oct 5, 2008 8:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering about this when I drove home today
if a team can look as dominate as they did most of the season and then fall apart so terribly in the playoffs why should I get worked up next year….I probably will but I think this how Braves fans felt after awhile in the 90’s.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Oct 5, 2008 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably did
they must have developed a coping mechanism; beer,wine whiskey, coke, horse, sacrificing small mammals, idk
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 5, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first off
I like the screenname
secondly. I have used the first 3 coping mechanisms quite a bit.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Oct 5, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be openminded about the last three mechanisms. Don't work for everybody but can be very effective if used in the proper situation,
ROI is clearly the best for the first three choices. And they are legal most places.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 5, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next Year..
Next year I wont expect anything from this team. I agree with most of the posts. This year is more dissapointing than 84 because this years team didnt even show up in the playoffs. In 84 one game away, 03 five outs I cant take that but not this. I do not agree however that just because one doesnt post everyday or game one is not a true fan I was a fan long before BCB! As my wife told me tonight and shes a dodgers fan, youll be back next year and she is right, just not as excited or expecting anything
by UTCUBS on Oct 5, 2008 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently some of you have forgotten how it felt.....
when the 2003 team collapsed in the postseason. Or how it felt last year at the hands of the D-Backs who, despite their pitching, had no offense whatsoever.
I am embarassed by this year’s team. Plain and simple. But I don’t just give up on this team. I know for a FACT I’ll stand right back up and back this team 100% next year because that’s who I am.
Why would I do that? This team has let me down time and time again. Is it worth it anymore?
Yes and it always will be.
For those of you that completely cast the Cubs aside for this “emotional distraught” they have caused you I hope you follow through with your word.
I expect to see your ALL of your Cubs memorabilia on eBay tomorrow and I expect you to delete your BCB account, too. Like I said follow through with your word.
The rest of the die-hards and I bid you bon-voyage.
DeRosa: And who is the best and who is the worst card player?
Dempster: I think the best is yourself. [ . . .] I think the worst player is D-Lee. I think he bets every time just to bet.
by EJThunder on Oct 6, 2008 12:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
1989
Although I remember bits and pieces of the 1984 season and playoffs, the 1989 Cubs were really the first team to break my heart. I was absolutely crushed when Maddux was shelled in the first game of the LCS. Beforehand, I had been utterly and completely convinced that the Cubs would beat the Giants and then win the World Series.
Rather than abandoning the Cubs and rooting for Oakland or something, I simply learned to temper my expectations for contending Cub teams, although I had to wait nine years to see another one (‘95 didn’t really count, even if the last week of that season was fun).
Like many of you, I was sorely disappointed by the team’s performance this past week. However, I can’t even fathom abandoning them. I either watch, listen to, or least scrutinize the box score for every single game, just as I have for many years, even at the tail of end of the brutal seasons.
When I read a fanpost like this, as well as those comments that echo it, I have to assume that those fans are 1) pretty naive and 2) had their interest piqued recently. In other words, you might have classified yourself as a Cubs fan for a long time, maybe attended a game or two each season, but you only really invested a lot of time following the team this season. Some of you may abandon the team or simply reduce your interest level but at least you won’t fall into the marketing-driven trap of thinking “This Is the Year” next time around.
While I am disappointed and maybe a bit frustrated, I don’t feel cheated and I’m not angry. The 2006 season disgusted me, made me feel cheated, but not these past few days. All I ask is that the new owners commit themselves to fielding a consistently competitive team so that I don’t have to put up with a debacle like 2006 or the perptually mediocre teams of my youth. If they can do that, if the Cubs can commit to putting a decent team on the field, year-in and year-out, then eventually they’ll win the World Series.
For those of you questioning your commitment, I don’t really have any advice. I guess that I feel sorry for you but we all have learn that there is no Santa Claus.
"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko
by LaddieRenfroe on Oct 6, 2008 2:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll keep on rooting for the Cubs
no matter what.
They are my team, if they may suck, be the worst team in baseball, go 0-162, it does not matter. That’s what being a fan is about, being behind your team. Is there despair involved, especially as a Cubs fan? Yeah, but so what? I love the Cubs but I don’t live and die with their win/loss record.
People can go ahead and quit following the Cubs, will that cause the Cubs to disappear? No, the Cubs will still be there and that is all that matters to me. I could care less if there were two Cubs fans on the planet, it doesn’t affect my devotion to the Cubs. They could go another 100 years and not win a championship and that really wouldn’t matter to me. Do I want them to win a championship? Of course, but I didn’t begin following the Cubs because of their championships or ability to win games.
I began following the Cubs because as a boy I would sit and watch games and it always seems to bring me back to those days with him. He passed away about 10 years ago and never once experienced a championship. Did he ever give up? Not a chance, he watched the Cubs every chance he could for 75 years. I miss him very much but the Cubs gives me that opportunity to sit and watch a game with him again, something no other baseball team can give me.
So go ahead, by all means, don’t follow the Cubs anymore, no ill feelings towards anyone. But me? I can’t.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Oct 6, 2008 4:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oops, sit and watch games "with my Grandfather"
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Oct 6, 2008 5:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Sue!
A +1 from you extra special!
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Oct 6, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't give up.
I took a lot of crap today from all the Cardinals fans here in Memphis. People ‘quietly’ singing ‘Go Cubs Go’ actually made me laugh instead of get angry – they did it in fun. I still wore my Cubs hat to my girls’ softball tournament and still have the Cubs logo proudly displayed as my screensaver.
I’m disappointed – sure. I do feel like the Cubs blew i for the second year in a year but would be lying if I said I was totally surprised. While I wanted them to win, the little voice in my head told me to prepare for year 101 because, after all, it IS the Cubs.
I’m 38 – seems as though there are many on here in that 30-40 range that have done the 84,89,03,07,08 dance…..certainly none felt like this year but I’ve invested 30 years in my team and refuse to stop. How could I? What would happen if I swore them off only to see them THEN go on to win it all?
For the younger souls on this board – the instant gratification society that you’ve become accustomed to is not real. Things worth anything are worth waiting for. I told several harassing friends today that I cannot imagine how people that are 60, 70, 80 years old have lived this long without seeing a WS victory I’m fully prepared to do that if necessary.
My epiphany of the year was learning that I could actually cheer for Jim Edmonds. Wow. What will be the 2009 lesson??
162 games til the 09 playoffs begin. Can’t wait to start the ride.
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by iluvryno on Oct 6, 2008 6:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll be checking my place on the Cubs Season Ticket Wait List
My guess is that it’s not going down any time soon.
BTW, I’m at 65,000+
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on Oct 6, 2008 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's Entertainment, that's all
All,
I’m just as hurt as the rest of you. I’ve been to 13 of the 18 playoff games go back to 2003 and that includes games in Atlanta, Florida and LA. I’ve been a Cub fan since 1968. so I’ve had my share of Cub letdowns. BTW, LA fans were brutal and just mean. They don’t care that we have not won the WS in 100 years. My sympathy.
When I was growing up, going to the playoff was OUT OF THE QUESTION. We have been there 3 times in this decade. UNHEARD OF as a Cub fan. I know, it’s not enough and I want more. Sure, I wish the Cubs win the World Series. It is very hard to do. But, we have been there with a chance. Back in the 60’s and 70’s, part of the 80’s and 90’s, we had NO CHANCE. At least we’re there and can build upon. It took the Red Sox a long time to get where they’re at and they had much worse pain than us.
At the end of the day, we enjoy baseball and going to Wrigley Field. That’s all, it’s entertainment. Nobody died, nobody is sick and nobody is in trouble. I’ve had my share of close ones who have died. That’s pain.
Someday, we’ll go all the way.
by davecz on Oct 6, 2008 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather make it....
….to the playoffs than suffer through a miserable loser. At least this pain is quick and intense. 2006 was like a dull headache that lasted from Spring Training until Toothpick left town. This was a great year. There was a lot of joy in the season. Even this collapse can’t take that away. I can’t wait for pitchers and catchers to report.
"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard
by TXCub on Oct 6, 2008 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+101
I’d rather have 2003 game 6 collapse or a 2007 & 2008 meltdown every year then to live threw 90+ loses seasons again. At least now there is a change for something good, I’d rather be here today then where we were in the earlier 90’s
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on Oct 6, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've Moved On
Fifty years is enough. They killed my Dad, now they’re killing me. No more. Maybe I’ll check out NASCAR. I can’t stand it when I hear so- alled Cubbie fans say they are proud to be a Cubbie fan. That’s like saying “I’m proud to have arthritis”. How moronic!
I’m movin on.
Go Brewers (I guess)
by Bit on Oct 6, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How exactly did the Cubs kill your dad?
Is he the one who got hit by the foul ball and sued Fergie Jenkins? Oh, no that was a woman and she survived. Are you serious? You can stop being a Cubs fan any time you want but don’t blame them for the death of a loved one. NASCAR is pretty good: go fast and turn left.
I know people with serious crippling arthritis who are proud of how they are living a normal life and I don’t consider that moronic.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 6, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody calm down
The best team doesn’t win these days because of the 5 game divisional series. What MLB needs to do is 7 game divisional series and 5 game NLCS the 7 game World Series.
The Cubs lost not because of a curse, not because of everyone pressing because of 100 years, not because of divine intervention but because they lost three in a row, which every great team has done since the beginning of baseball. The Cubs lost game one because of the walks, the Cubs lost game 2 because of the errrors and the Cubs lost game three because they only scored one run. WHen you have a best of five play in, these things are going to happen. The Cubs will win the divisional again next year and hopefully they can manage to not have a three game losing streak at in the NLDS unless MLB wises up and changes the structure
by mrjimmeh on Oct 6, 2008 5:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
calm down indeed
mrjimmeh is right about the 5-game series, but also about the attitude. While I can’t describe how terrible it felt to watch the Cubs fall apart, the fact is, the organization has built a consistent team with a farm system that is producing at a respectable level. We’ve won the division two years in a row and 3 of the last 6 years. If they keep it up, they will win it all at some point. Unfortunately, it’s all about getting hot at the right time, not necessarily about being the best team. If you put a good product on the field and make the playoffs consistently, it will eventually pay off. I understand the angry feelings at the moment, but to stop being a fan because of three playoff losses is extreme.
by iwucubfan on Oct 6, 2008 7:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with a lot of what you said
But not the farm system thing. At least not with regards to positional players.
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by AceCubbie on Oct 8, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, this postseason was a huge disappointment
But it doesn’t make me care any less about the Cubs. 1984 and 2003 were truly heartbreaking, and those seasons get more heartbreaking every year. Why? Because you see things like what happened this year, and you appreciate even more how close those teams were to getting it done. (Although, like this year’s team, the ’84 team was better than the ’03 team, IMHO.)
This year’s team exceeded my regular-season expectations. I knew they’d be good, but not as good as they were. Maybe that led all of us to inflate our postseason hopes a bit. Anything can happen in a five-game series, as was also just proven in the ALDS. How do you suppose Angels fans are feeling today?
This team still has some holes, but they aren’t nearly as cavernous as they were a few years ago. This offseason is a big one, again. I was crushed Saturday night, but with time and perspective, I’m thinking that if you keep knocking on the door, eventually it’ll open. The days of year after year of sub-.500 teams, I think, are over.
So hang in there just a little bit longer, folks. We’ve waited this long. What’s another year or two?
In the meantime, remember what drew you to this team in the first place. Since 1971, I’ve been a Cubs fan. I’ve gone from watching the games with my grandfather (God rest his soul) to watching them with my nephews. I’ve seen everybody from Ernie Banks and Derrek Lee to Jerry Martin and Davey Rosello. From Greg Maddux and Kerry Wood to Bill Bonham and Paul Reuschel. The destination is important, but the journey is more important.
Stop being a Cubs fan? Dial it back a bit? You might as well tell me to stop eating or breathing.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 7, 2008 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure - it stings...
…but, MAN does it sting this time. I feel like complete garbage. Zero motivation. I feel like someone has ripped the lungs right out of my chest.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Oct 7, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
derv, just imagine how much better it would have been
if you had fielded the ground ball to DeRosa and turned the double play. We can do this stuff better than they can but we just humor them by letting them play the game on our behalf. Can’t be too harsh on them. And I am not being sarcastic or critical of you. i just wish I could go down there on the field and show them how to play the goddamed game right. It wasn’t your failing that caused them to look miserable. We can’t do it for them as much as we wish we could. Let it go and think of that smell in the air in March/April when the pitchers and catchers report and you’re at the park and smell the freshly groomed dirt and cut grass and it smells like …baseball. The sting will be gone by then.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Oct 8, 2008 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may call me crazy
But I am excited. I’m already hoping it is February I miss the Cubs already. When I get to play for my High School team. God I love it! I’m not even amazing at it. I played on the JV team and me and another kid swapped starts. It’s just something about it
I have grown up around baseball for all my life. It is all I have ever known. The cubs are all I have ever known. I can still remember Sammy Sosa hitting his bomb in the HRD, however long ago that was. The images stick in my mind, even if I can’t remember anything else from those times. I am a Cubs fan for life.
I also realise that the Cubs have a good chance to win the Central for the third year in a row next year. The Brewers will probably end up being around .500 next year, and even though the Cardinals will probably get better next year the Cubs are still the team to beat.
Making the playoffs is all you can ask. See what happens from there, you never know. It makes baseball so fun.
I love baseball, and I love the Cubs. I’ll never give up on them.
by cubsfaninatl on Oct 8, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ahhh, youth.... j/k
I don’t think you’re crazy at all. Your faith is commendable and I could do well to have a little more of it myself.
Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.
by CaliCub on Oct 8, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree -- good post, ATL!
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 10, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Greg Couch finally wrote a good article.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/couch/1211229,CST-SPT-greg09.article
You are getting out now? Seriously? When the club finally looks committed to putting a winning product on the field?
I know it hurts to get your hopes up only to see them crushed. But I would rather be crushed than have no hope at all. The Cubs have numerous pieces in place to win the whole thing. Hopefully, next year it will all come together. I for one will be there the whole way.
Just the other day I saw Theriot posing on a perfect bunt. He was thrown out by 65 feet——later intentionally walked in retaliation.-Hammer
by JEROMEWALTON'SBATTINGSTANCE on Oct 9, 2008 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
cubs/rays?
the rays are having the time of their young lives. the cubs?looked like they were headed for death row.as for lou you cant win when your team wont score runs.he,s still the best thing to happen to this team in the last 5 years. 2 central titles,i,ll take em.maybe we,ll get more eventually.
by NOMAR on Oct 10, 2008 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cubs
i,ll take a postseason loss over 4th place anyday. 9 losses in a row,i remember the red sox doing that in the nineties and look at them now. SOMEDAY.
by NOMAR on Oct 10, 2008 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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