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I Know I'm going to hit a nerve but.....................

Something must be done to change this team

- Lee, Ramirez, Soriano trio must be destroyed whether it's Soriano or Lee. They both have trade clauses. One of these three must go. 

-The Cubs must get a power hitting left hander. Whether it's Bobby Abreu or Mark Texieria which means Derrek Lee must go. Milton Bradley is another name. 

-Lead off hitter must be a target this winter. Brian Roberts, Rafeal Furcal, somebody else, i don't know.

-Fukudome must step up. I think he will probably be in center next year. 

-Dempster & Wood must be resigned. 

-I can guarentee that Harden will be back next year. Hopefully, they sign him to a long term contract because I really like him. 

Although I was extremely dissapointed about this season, I'm just really excited to see what the offseason brings for this team. 

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Bobby Abreau isn’t a big power guy, and Mark Texieria plays first base. Thus ending your idea of a left fielder. And Harden should never be given a long term contract. That’s insane. He’s a arm injury waiting to happen. The Cubs have seen this movie before.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Oct 5, 2008 10:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He did say if Tex is signed then Lee must go

Bradley is not a guy anyone can rely on. Roberts is great, but Fontenot can play at a high level. I don’t think that the same can be said of Theriot. I love the guy’s attitude, please don’t get me wrong, but he just doens’t have the skills defensively to play SS.

Formerly NO100

by jerry morales rules on Oct 5, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tex

is going to be priced waaayy out of our range.

by Cubinator on Oct 5, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hes looking for ARod money

But if they could somehow off load Lee and a few others itd be feasible….but unlikely

Maybe its not too late to teach Vitters to switch hit?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 5, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Few Things.....

Teixeira is a first baseman now, and from what he says here in L.A., he either stays here or goes back to a place near his family, which is Baltimore. However, Arte Moreno is making noises now that he’ll do what he can to keep him.

I agree that the team should explore moving Lee. I think Carlos Delgado is a free agent, but at what price? And the Cubs need ot face it, they’re stuck with Soriano and that contract. Unless they elect to eat a good portion of it, he’s going nowhere. We’ll see whether this latest experience has humbled him any.

If Furcal’s back is repaired, I’d definitely look into him. Theriot’s a great guy, but something needs to be done. I also wouldn’t complain if the Cubs bought out Fukudome and snet him home. I have a feeling he wouldn’t either, but how does he cope with going back to Japan a failure? But why would I care at this point?

Center field. Reed Johnson didn’t play at all in the NLDS I don’t think. If the platoon with Edmonds doesn’t return, and I can think of a lot of reasons why it shouldn’t, it’s put up or shut up for Pie.

At all costs, stay away from Frankie Rodriguez. Keep Wood in the closer role.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Oct 5, 2008 10:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

delgado

you’ve got to be kidding. the guy has been declining for a while now. he got really hot this season, but before his hot second half mets fans wanted him out of there. DLee is a far superior option.

by Cubinator on Oct 5, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well....

…. just threw his name out as a possibility. And yes, he’s 36. But other than a subpar 2007, if he’s been in a “steady decline”, there’s a lot of guys who’d take that decline.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Oct 5, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with a lot of what you're saying

but, as mentioned above, signing Harden would be a mistake-I don’t know how that guy could expect any sort of a long term contract as essentially a five inning pitcher.
I’d LOVE to add Texiera but, againn as was mentioned, he’s a first baseman which means we’d have to somehow unload Lee first-but why would anyone trade for Lee when they could sign Texiera instead?
The best of your suggestions is something I’ve been saying for a few days now; getting Brian Roberts could have a good, ripple effect on the rest of the lineup-it would force Soriano down in the order (and. like it or not that’s the only real option-NO ONE is going to trade for that contract)-you could then move Lee to fifth or sixth.
My biggest worry right now though is that Hendry and Lou seem to be pretty pigheaded when it comes to making the kind of changes that it seems pretty clear that they really need. I wish we had a GM like Kenny Williams-somebody who’s not shy about making bold moves and taking gambles-sure, they’re not going to always work but this team needs a big time shake up if they’re going to even dream of post season in ’09.

by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you, Blue

Signing Harden would be a mistake. I don’t see how we can “baby” him (as in, start him on every 7+ days) for an entire season without screwing up our rotation. We need someone who can take the ball every 5th game. Who that person would be, I haven’t a clue.

by deutschegirl67 on Oct 5, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

We have to have a “plan B” before we make any decisions about pitchers.
For instance, A.J. Burnett might be a better fit but I’m not sure what his status currently is.

by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hes just as injury prone

Someone should figure out what exactly Hardens contract opt out status is…..Id bring him back, he was awesome for the Cubs this year.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 5, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with bluekoolaide.

Although I am for signing Harden only at the right price. That way is a low risk move. But if he is not signed, the Cubs need another starting pitcher, probably coming from within the organization. There are other priorities to get through trade or free agency, as bluekoolaide pointed out.

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 5, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

This whole topic will be fun later. I’m going to give it a few days, ideally until the end of the Series.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Oct 5, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like a lot of the ideas, but...

we have to remember that no one knows who the Cubs new owners will be. It’s quite possible that the new owners will chalk up the last two playoffs to bad luck or concentrate on other matters (i.e. new stadium, new streams of revenue) and leave everything the way it is. Remember, most of the contracts are backloaded and the Cubs have very little flexibility when it comes to trading partners for guys like Soriano. Above all else, the Cubs new owners first act should be to lock up Soto long term.

by jimmynick17 on Oct 5, 2008 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The first player...

…Lou would like to launch is Soriano and I don’t think there is any question about that.

The problem is, he is the one guy that will impossible to move, because NO ONE will want his contract and the Cubs are in no position to eat a large chunk of it.

He will be here next year, but he better be hitting 5th.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

God, I hope your wrong about new ownership chalking the playoff up to "bad luck"

But nothing would surprise me.
I think the problems are pretty obvious to anybody who’s watched this team closely. The solutions, on the other hand, are a lot more complicated.

by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then that's not the kind of new owners we need.

We need owners for whom money is no object at the beginning. They are going to have to eat a few huge contracts to improve this team quickly. Unfortunately, I don’t see that in the horizon.

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 5, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What happens with Hendry....

…may give you an indication of how much money they are willing to spend this offseason. There has been talk of an extension for him and if Kenney gets Zell to allow that, it would tell you they trust Hendry to spend additional dough. If he doesn’t get that extension, it will tell you there is pause as to whether the guy who has dished out the big dollars (with no trades) can be trusted to clean this up.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe clinching early and high payrolls are not the answer

The teams that were fighting for playoff spots at the end of the season are still in the playoffs while the teams with the best records are either eliminated or down 0-2 (except the Rays, who are young and hungry and have one of the lowest payrolls in baseball at $43,745,597).

My point: teams have to stay sharp and competitive going into the playoffs. Going into “Spring Training” mode the last two weeks causes teams to go flat and lose their edge.

Does this make sense?

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Oct 5, 2008 11:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It makes an immense amount of sense

Pity the Angels, who were playing for absolutely nothing for almost a month? How could that team possibly have gone into the playoffs with any kind of edge?

by MIMuggles on Oct 5, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

It’s exactly what I was thinking yesterday. These guys were rusty. The rest didn’t help them.

Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008

by slcathena on Oct 5, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My friends and I have been talking about the same thing

It cetianly looks like the Cubs went into the playoffs this year with zero momentum. I think not having to play hard the last week caused them to lose focus a littlebit.
I was comparing it to ‘03 when the Cubs had (I think) nine fewer wins but turned it way up in September and went into the playoffs on a high. As we remember, the completely dominated the Braves in round one and looked good until…well, you all know the rest.
This year’s team, however, looked like they were literally sleepwalking once postseason started.

by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 11:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They won 3-2 against the Braves

Not dominating.

As far as the last week being meangingful, it was last year. I don’t know what the answer is, but I do agree strongly that Soriano leading off isn’t it.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Momentum

The Sox and Brewers went into the playoffs with tons of momentum. Combined they have one more win than the Cubs and both could be eliminated today. This momentum is nonsense.

DmL

by dmlichte on Oct 5, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

first off niether team has anywhere near the talent level of the Cubs

Second, it’s the Phillies and rays who went into the post season wih the momentum-And saying the Sox went in with “tons of momentum” is nonsense-they had chances all the last week of the season to put it away and they limped along-if the Twins hadn’t run out of gas at the end, the Sox would be watching the postseason on tv.

by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Momentum and staying sharp are two different things

It is my opinion that being complacent for two weeks and jumping right back into overdrive does not work.

As for the White Sox and Brewers on the brink of elimination, the teams they are playing did not rest their players like the Cubs did.

For the Phillies, Howard, Utley, Feliz, Rollins, Burrell, Victorino, and Werth played every day for the last week until Sunday.

For the Rays, Pena, Iwamura, Longoria, Bartlett, Hinske, Upton, and Gross played almost every day for the last week until Sunday.

The Cubs played guys that were not on the playoff roster: Hill, Hoffpauir, and McGehee.

Granted, Soto was resting an injury, but playing these guys plus Blanco, Pie, Ward, and Johnson (who saw no post-season playing time) off-and-on instead of the regular starters since Sept 21 may have factored into the complacent play.

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Oct 5, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First off, Dome will never start for this team again

He’s going to be an intractable achilles heel for Hendry and Pinella who can’t unload him and won’t want to play him. I think first and foremost Soriano needs to slide down in the order; i don’t care how much he bellyaches about it. I still also feel that Brian Roberts is a vital addition and hope they can get him

by BeltwayCubsFan on Oct 5, 2008 11:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1000

The question is can we put together a package to get Roberts or, failing that, do we role the dice and take a chance on Furcal?

by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish you were right

But part of baseball is ego. To not start Fukudome would be to admit you made a collosal mistake. For that matter, so it would be is Soriano were “slid down”. I personally think that, If they are comitted to winiing they have to eat Fukudome’s contract. But I fear the most likely scenario is that we will have to deal with him for at least another year or two – unless Hendry is fired and a new GM can chalk Fukudome up to being someone else’s mistake…

by MIMuggles on Oct 5, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't disagree with anything you're saying

I think the odds are (slightly) better that Soriano moves down in the order than that Dome sits. Remember that Hendry made a push last year to bring in Roberts, a more “classic” lead-off hitter so it seems clear that he knew then that Soriano was a potential problem.
But you’re exactly right when you talk about the part ego plays in all of this.

by bluekoolaide on Oct 5, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe that.

If Dome works hard in the off season and makes improvemnets in his hitting he’ll be in the starting lineups.

by sue369 on Oct 5, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee stays, he is a decent bat and he actually performed well in the playoffs

however Lou should not keep him in the three hole. Soriano and Ramirez with stay, we know that. What we need to do is sign Furcal or Cabrera to play at SS and somehow get a powerful lefthanded bat to play RF

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 11:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ARAM and Soriano

5-51 combined in the last two post seasons. That pretty much sums up the suckitude.

I heart the riot. (www.riotshirts.com)

by RIOTSHIRTS.com on Oct 5, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone

Anyone that says these 2 suck and should be gotten rid of must be plants of Hendry.

Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.

by puckishcubsfan on Oct 5, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they sucked in the playoffs.

they can’t hit under pressure. There, i guess i must be a plant of Hendry.

by lexmarklover on Oct 5, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to get rid of Soriano

but it’s not happening. Who’s going to want to take on that brutal contract? Lou needs to get him out of the leadoff slot though.

by kanderber on Oct 5, 2008 11:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Right

Yes a player since his arrival the Cubs are 41 over 500.

I;m not his biggest fan myself but the crap over the last 14 hours has gotten ridiculous.

Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.

by puckishcubsfan on Oct 5, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want Harden

signed to a long term contract. I’m just not comfortable with a guy you have to baby and can only pitch every 7-8 days and only feels comfortable pitching on cool nights. He started out very well for us but faded towards the end.

by sue369 on Oct 5, 2008 11:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

The Cubs need to seriously consider not picking up his option or doing so and trading him. We’ve been through this before with Prior and Wood. The Cubs nursed him along the last few months of the season. I don’t think its a coincidence that the Cubs made a big jump in wins once their rotation was loaded front to end with guys who could all make 30 starts a season. Harden’s tribulations have an impaction the rest of the rotation, when you need to give him extra rest, etc. I would not shed a tear if Harden was allowed to become a free agent and would certainly not sign him to long term dollars.

by dmlichte on Oct 5, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think teh Cubs would be making a mistake if they let Harden go

If the Cubs do indeed let him go, when he finally does have that injury-free season with 20 wins to show for it, then they will be kicking themselves.

by lexmarklover on Oct 5, 2008 1:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't see him

having a season like that any time soon.

by sue369 on Oct 5, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nor do I

But I can easily foresee Harden having a Prior-like career…

by MIMuggles on Oct 5, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And people wonder

Fans post this trash and people wonder why players feel no connection to the fans.
\
Right let’s get rid of players of a 97 win team.

What’s really stupid is people saying they didn’t try and didn’t care. Not performing DOES NOT MEAN THEY DID NOT TRY OR DO NOT CARE

Are these posts meant to make us appreciate Hendry for not being a reactionary idiot?

Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.

by puckishcubsfan on Oct 5, 2008 2:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

please stop talking. you're trying to look like the "good guy" instead of tell us how you truly feel

and uh if you feel like soriano deserves to stay with his lousy play then you should shut the hell up

by lexmarklover on Oct 5, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much money?

How much money is Hendry paying to people to make these posts? Only an idiot reactionary would trade Lee, Ramirez or Soriano because of a bad few games.

There’s a reason Hendry should be Executive of the Year and you’re on your couch drinking beer.

Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.

by puckishcubsfan on Oct 5, 2008 2:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry but

would you please just shut up?!?!?

by sue369 on Oct 5, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A FEW bad games?

Hold the phone a sec, how many times did Soriano strike out or ground out when we needed him to succeed? Sure he came through a few times, but we’re not paying him for white-hot bursts of play and then pathetic streaks of cold. No, we’re paying him to be a team leader and come through in the clutch, which he hasn’t done much of in his two years here.

How many times did Lee ground into a DP when guys were in scoring position and we needed some runs? Or for that matter, strikeout?

I’m easier on Ramirez. 111 RBIs is nothing to spit at, but his postseason was an utter disaster.

A few bad games is a massive understatement, my friend. These guys haven’t performed as advertised throughout the year…

by AeroZach on Oct 5, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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