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Elegy To The 2008 Cubs

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops. -- A. Bartlett Giamatti, "The Green Fields of the Mind"

Normally, I end my final game recap of a baseball season with Bart Giamatti's words, but this afternoon, as, perhaps not coincidentally, one of those fall chill rains is falling gently in Chicago, it seems more appropriate to begin with them. Let me attempt to put into words the stunning collapse of the team we just knew was going to be the one to win it all.

Usually, one of my game recaps includes a link to the boxscore of the game. Why bother? You all saw it, and you don't need me to tell you or remind you of the series' last game, which, although the score was closer, the Cubs didn't appear to be there, just as they barely showed up for games one and two. Neither did I read any of the local sports pages' articles or columns about the disaster -- and having heard that they were filled with remarks about goats and black cats and curses, I'm glad I didn't. To mention those, I think, is lame and weak and doesn't address the facts.

Which are: it is, even now, a sunrise later, hard to believe that the team we saw all summer, the one that put up the best record in the National League and the team that was, most likely, the best Cub team in three generations, looked like the Dusty Baker-led clown squad that stunk the joint out at the end of 2006. How does this happen? How does a team that looked so good for six months look so bad for three days? Even during their losing streaks of four (in June) and six (in August and September), they didn't look this bad.

Perhaps part of the answer can be found in this New York Times article, one I could read because it was more dispassionate, coming from a source outside of Chicago. Tyler Kepner, the writer, quotes Derrek Lee:

"No question, there’s a larger weight in Chicago," Lee said after the Cubs were swept from the playoffs for the second year in a row. "I hate to call it pressure, because it’s hard to put more pressure on us than we put on ourselves. But you can feel it in the city. They want it bad. It’s understandable. But it’s all about how you perform on the field."

And quotes Mark DeRosa:

"You read about it every day, the 100 years," DeRosa said. "You know about it. Every guy who signs here wants to be part of the team that gets it done. You look at what happened — if I turn a double play, it changes the complexion of Game 2. It’s one of those things; I don’t know. I’m just in shock that this is the end."

"Every guy who signs here wants to be part of the team that gets it done."

That, in one sentence, may be the biggest part of the problem. They put too much pressure on themselves; someone posted here the other day that the 2004 Red Sox, who finally broke that team's long drought (and they've now won twice and have a chance to do it again), called themselves "idiots" as if they didn't care about all the history -- and then they played like it, playing for the moment only, even as they had to win four straight elimination games to even make it to the World Series, then four more in a row to sweep it.

Maybe that's what future Cub teams have to do -- NOT care so much. Play loose, as the Dodgers did. The tightness in each Cub performance showed in pretty much every at-bat and pitch that happened after James Loney's grand slam, and to some extent even before. Don't blame the fans -- we have been here long before today's players were born, and will be here long after they are retired. "Cowboy Up", as those '04 Red Sox said, take the blame -- as Kerry Wood did in '03 -- and next year, get it done.

In the meantime, this feeling is different than 2003 or 2007. In '03, that team roared through September and its first nine postseason games, bringing us to the brink, but they were playing over their heads. Last year's elimination came so fast after a breathless chase to even get there, that we barely had time to be upset, much less angry.

This one makes me angry. This team was the one that was "different", that felt right, that set records and accomplished feats that hadn't been done in decades. And not only do they go out early, they go out with barely a whimper. Maybe what I wrote above has something to do with it, that they put too much pressure on themselves, and the weight of the 100 years does affect them on the field. Thinking about it intellectually, it shouldn't. But intellect and statistical prowess can't always stop things from gnawing into your head -- you surely know this in your own lives, and a professional athlete, highly trained though he may be, is a human being, subject to the same thoughts and feelings as the rest of us. And if you are thinking, "Hey, this was a great season with lots of great things to remember!" -- well, yes and no. Sure, there are a lot of 2008 games that will always carry wonderful memories for me, from Z's no-hitter to A-Ram's walkoff vs. the White Sox to Soto's 9th-inning tying HR to the division clincher.

But the 2008 season -- SEASON, not individual games -- was a failure.

Will I quit? Hell no; I'm a Cubs fan. That's how I grew up; if you're my age or older you have many of these shared disasters, now all of us have 2008. When last night's game ended I took off my division champions T-shirt, that I had been wearing for whatever luck or mojo it could contribute (sure, I know it can't really affect players 2000 miles away), but why not? -- and tossed it in the trash.

I'll recover it, of course. Anger will fade, as will the feelings of "it's NEVER gonna happen", to sarcastically paraphrase the sign that's been all over Wrigleyville the last couple of years. I don't really have the stomach to watch a lot of what's left of the postseason, though I may catch a game or three before it's over. In normal times I'd probably have deleted 2/3 of the posts all of you have made, but under the circumstances I'm leaving all of them; I figure you all need the catharsis (as one was titled) and to let out your emotions. It's way too early to talk about how to retool this team for '09 -- and yes, it does need changing, just as every team does, including whichever one is the last one standing this year -- but keep this in mind: what do you do to "retool" a team that blew through the regular season so easily, leading the league in virtually every important stat category? What do you add to it (or subtract from it) so that the team that does enough to get into the postseason is strong enough (physically and emotionally) to win eleven games in October?

I don't think any of us knows that answer. Hell, Jim Hendry probably doesn't know the answer, or he'd have done it and I wouldn't be writing these words today.

I have, sadly, a funeral to attend tomorrow (not for the team, though that'd be appropriate, too), and so I may be scarce for a couple of days. If any of you wishes to start a discussion thread for any of the remaining division series days, go ahead.

And keep the faith. We are Cubs fans. We hope, someday, that our turn will come, while we still inhabit the Earth.

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Very sad year..

sigh..

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Oct 5, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

urgh

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Oct 5, 2008 3:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I don’t think I’ll be able to watch much more of the postseason. For the past few days I have had this really bad taste in my mouth that won’t go away.

Gosh, it really seemed like this year was going to be different. It just really did.

2008 NL Central Champs!

by TyCubsfan on Oct 5, 2008 3:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup, the rest of the postseason

seems pretty darn insignificant.

Actually, I worry the offseason will feel that way, too.

by AceCubbie on Oct 6, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enh

I may not care anymore.

"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945

by flyingdonut on Oct 5, 2008 3:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Al

This site kept me going all year. I have no Cubs fans to talk to in NY/CT. This site has helped me become a more knowledgeable, excited Cubs fan and for the first time I really felt like I was part of the Cub Fan Base.

I’m taking a few weeks off from coming on here though. I’m baseballed out.

Thanks again Al for all your hard work on here this season.

by ak123 on Oct 5, 2008 3:21 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm in ct too

And I’m Suffering

by questdoc on Oct 6, 2008 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1000

It’s very selfless of you to give your time and share your experience and insight with us. No matter if we’re new to the Cubs & new to the site or are seasoned Cubs fans & site contributors, we all learn from you and certain other contributors (SWL, Emelie, etc.) on a daily basis.

See you in March.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/

by lostinthevines on Oct 6, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Embarassing...

the only consolation is that the Brewers just lost too. But I really couldn’t care less about the playoffs now.

"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07

by RynoHoF on Oct 5, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Now that I don't get.

I truly LOVE baseball and I am really looking forward to watching the rest of the post season. I guess I was the only Cub fan after the
03 disaster to watch and cheer hard for the Marlins. Dodgers/Phillies is tough for me as overall I like the Phillies but as long as certain party is on the Dodgers I will root for them ( except when the play the Cubs). I actually still like the Red Sox A LOT but will have to root for Tampa Bay for the underdog in me. Baseball is wonderful game and I will watch till the end of the season ( except in years when Cardinals play the White Sox).

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 5, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love baseball too, as you know, Jessica.

There’s no way I could root for the Dodgers. I have no particular favorite remaining, although I’d kind of like to see the Rays make it — that’d be a nice story.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you dislike the Dodgers

generally ( which I would understand as I would if they did not have you know who) or angry at the loss ? Part of me thinks
if the Dodgers dominate the Cubs don’t look as bad but not much consolation.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 5, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A litle bit of both.

Don’t care for Manny’s antics (though he’s a hell of a hitter) and Ethier’s an ass.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manny is BAD

I used to enjoy his “antics” till he pushed the traveling secretary to the ground and used the Boras playbook to get traded.
What is the deal with Either. I recall something on BCB about his being rude to fans. FYI Penny is an ASS but he is not n the roster, Kent is a bigger ass but he is only a pinch hitter. I like Lowe, Martin and certain future HOFer a lot.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 5, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

apparently he's club house cancer, too

according to my bro’. He said Boston was glad to see him go, “don’t let the door hit you on the way out.” He’s an impressive athlete, though.

This hurts.

by Emelie on Oct 5, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think "club house cancer" ...is overrated

when it comes to winning and losing….in fact a team maay need some a$$ holes like that to “destroy” the opponent

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Know the Rays

rise from laughing stock to possible champions is a great story but I cannot bring myself to root for another expansion team to win it all before our beloved Cubs. I must pull for the team that beat us; a team with as storied and long a history as ours. Go Dodgers. We’ll get ’em next year Al.

And so it goes.

by Luigi on Oct 5, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm getting my

Center Ice Package ready. I’ll only watch baseball when I have to report a score. It’s dead to me.

I don’t dislike the Dodgers. Joe Torre almost sounded apologetic in the LA Times today. He’s a class act. Dick Williams, Jack McKeon — two guys that wanted to kill the Cubs.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 5, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Torre is a class act, yes.

Wish I could say the same for some of his players. Or their fans.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Careful, there

Remember how much we disliked it when Brennaman dissed us.

"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse

by mattvegas on Oct 6, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From a baseball fan perspective

It will still be interested in it turns into Dodgers/Red Sox World Series. I’d be very interested to see the reception Manny gets at Fenway.

by ak123 on Oct 5, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't write sentences

*I will still be interested if it turns into a Dodgers/Red Sox World Series.

by ak123 on Oct 5, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope Fox gets Phillies/Rays.

It’d serve ’em right.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In all seriousness

That’d be the games I’d be prone to watching.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Oct 5, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I need some grammar lessons

“That be the SERIES I would most likely watch.”

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Oct 5, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think thatd be a great series though

Longoria, Kazmir, Hamels, Howard, Utley, Rollins….thatd be exciting, bad for their ratings Im sure, but exciting

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 5, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

Good for serious baseball fans, bad for casual fans that the networks count on for ratings.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, that seems the only possible outcome

With the Rays winning, giving a title to another (Florida) fan base that couldn’t find their home ball park unless they had a map.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 5, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And as a bonus,

numerous references to the fact that Lou Piniella used to manage the Rays and now here they are in the World Series while he watches from home. You can count on that.

"The only way of finding the limits of the possible is by going beyond them into the impossible." ~Arthur C. Clarke

by Goodie1969 on Oct 5, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably because they won no more than 70 games in 10 years...

…they are easily selling out playoff games now…

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

12 hours ago...

I wouldda said Brewers / Rays…

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, don't forget...

…the Atlanta Braves won 14 of 16 division titles and mad it to the World Series only ONCE (1995). Talk about major frustration! The Cubs have a long way to go to match that string of futility.

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Oct 5, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's not futility.

That’s success. The Pirates? THAT’S futility.

I would really enjoy a run like the Braves had. I know we’re all supposed to be fixated on the World Series because that’s what our Great Media Overloards keep telling up – it’s been dawning on me that it really wouldn’t make me feel any better or worse about things if the Cubs had won the Series in ‘45 or pretty much any year prior to about 1990 or so (I was born in 1981). The 100-years monkey is someone else’s problem.

So my focus – the direction I want the Cubs to go in – is in building a dynasty like that. I’d love a World Series win along the way, but the Yankees have shown us that you can’t just go out and buy one. Let’s run off another three straight playoff seasons (easier said than done as well) and see where that takes us.

by cwyers on Oct 5, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That'd be a good start.

Actually, thinking about it now, 2007 and 2008 are already a good start. Two playoff appearances in a row — NEITHER Chicago team had done that in 100 years. For the Cubs to have that, presumably, is a good base to build on.

As the Dodgers just proved, get in and anything can happen.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

for an even more recent example, look at those Cardinals teams of the early 2000’s. Seemed like they were favored in the playoffs most years and then went expectations were the lowest, they won the World Series.

I’d rather have the Cubs making it to the playoffs and falling short than not getting there at all. Because sooner or later, it will happen.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Oct 5, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our foundation is there, yes, Colin.

We have enough veterans that aren’t really “old” veterans that we can breed a group of young guys (Blanco—>Soto, maybe Lee—>Micah?), yet still stay competitive for years to come. But unlike you, I’m more than thirsty for all of it.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Been thinking along the same lines....

all weekend, cwyers. As bad as this feels, hopefully this is the start of a string of successful seasons. Obviously a WS ring is the ultimate goal, but you have to start somewhere.

It would be great to go into every season with a sense that you were “the team to beat” in the Division and perhaps the league. With the feeling that you might only be a player or two away from making some real noise in the playoffs, and knowing you have the GM and owner ship to go out and get them.

I will certainly take a string of seasons like the 1990’s Braves. Just hoping we have a little more success in the WS.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Oct 6, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LSA.

I totally agree. Give me winning seasons. Give me a team that’s in contention – every year. Give me regular playoff appearances. Sooner or later the pieces will fall into place.

So this is how it ends.

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 6, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

The Yankees of the past decade show that as well. You just need to be in contention for a string of years. The playoffs are a crapshoot, so no group of players can ever guarantee that you’ll win, but if you can just get in there, eventually it will happen.

by epcub on Oct 6, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actuaally...they madde it tto a few series....

the only WON the world series once….I believe they won the 95 series, lost to the yankess in 96 and 99…lost to the Blue Jays in 92,

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think George Costanza said it best:

“I don’t want hope. Hope is killing me. My dream is to become hopeless. When you’re hopeless you don’t care. And when you don’t care, that indifference makes you attractive.”

(BTW my wish is for a Dodgers/Red Sox WS with the Sox proving to Manny that he was mere baggage, and then taking home their third ring at his expense…)

"The only way of finding the limits of the possible is by going beyond them into the impossible." ~Arthur C. Clarke

by Goodie1969 on Oct 5, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If "mere baggage" gets the Dodgers to the Series

Then I hope the Cubs can pick up some of it next year.

by madcow256 on Oct 6, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...this post made me cry.

A 38 year old man crying over baseball. I just don’t know if it is worth it anymore.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Oct 5, 2008 3:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Please give your wife our best thoughts and wishes!

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 5, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

still a Cubs fan, but ...

Great write up, Al. You explained it perfectly.

I’m 28 years old. I started watching the Cubs in the ‘89 playoffs, spent a good bit of the ’90s watching Harry and Steve on WGN. I wasn’t quite as obsessed while I was in college, but that was from ‘98-’02. Aside from the Wild Card team, there wasn’t much to watch.

For the past five years, the Cubs have been a huge part of my life. The ’07 team got me through a tough year personally. I was in Cincinnati the night they clinched.

I moved to Chicago this year. I was literally driving to town when Sheets faced Zambrano on Opening Day. I rented a place on Sheffield, two blocks from the park. The season got me through adjusting to a new city, a new job, a new life. Even on the hard days, I could watch Len and Bob.

But now …

I will always be a Cubs fan. I will always care what happens to this team. But the events of the past week have taken my fandom down several notches. I’m tired of so much of my personal happiness revolving around 25 men whom I have no control over.

I don’t believe in the curse, I believe the Cubs will one day win it all. I will cheer for them up until then and cry like a baby when they do. But my emotional well being WILL NOT hang on this team anymore. Just can’t do it.

What I’m saying is the Cubs will always be a part of my life. But after the sweep, they’re about to be a much smaller part. And, no, I won’t change my tune by the spring. And no, I don’t consider myself to be fair-weather or a quitter.

You do great work, Al. Love your site. But I doubt I’ll be visiting it as much in the future.

by elgato on Oct 5, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You may change your tune by spring.

… I had some of those feelings myself after last night. If you put baseball aside for a while, I suspect you’ll hear it — and the Cubs — calling your name in the spring.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what I'm saying

Is that the Cubs just went from being the equivalent of my girlfriend to being like my former girlfriend whom I’m still good friends with.

I love the Cubs, and I always will. But I’m not IN LOVE with the Cubs.

by elgato on Oct 5, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see what you mean.

Nevertheless, that former GF may come knocking at your door come spring and say she wants you back.

You loved her. You gonna say no?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, probably

This hurts too much. Don’t think I can get over it to that point.

by elgato on Oct 5, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give it time.

I see you’re still here. Give it time.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

We’ll see. In any event, you’re a real service to Cubs fans, Al. Please keep it up.

by elgato on Oct 5, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

You’re a valued contributor to this site.

Plus, if you’re still living two blocks from Wrigley… I suspect you’ll feel the pull next spring.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs, to me, are much more than a girlfriend.

It’s in my blood, from the day I was born, and no matter what I do, I cannot and will not escape it.

Chad (SWL) told me the other day, “The sun will still rise tomorrow.” He’s right, but I’ll feel empty, drag on, and won’t enjoy the sunrise until the Cubs are back, better than ever. Until then, I can only look back on what we accomplished, what we failed to do, and how we can improve on the future.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Give me some time off to grieve and get my fall and holiday work done; I’ll come back ’round about Convention time.

by NWIowaCubFan on Oct 5, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am quite jaded as well but I'm guessing

later I will feel pretty much like this:

"The only way of finding the limits of the possible is by going beyond them into the impossible." ~Arthur C. Clarke

by Goodie1969 on Oct 5, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you got that right.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's just the thing

I’m ready to live for other things MORE.

by elgato on Oct 5, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the kind words.

Much appreciated.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2d that

Al gets my MVP as well.

wccubfan

by wccubfan on Oct 5, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

truer words never been spoken

great post CaliCub

WOXY.com - The Future of Rock and Roll

by Gibbon Jockey on Oct 5, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen!

I visit several Cubs sites, but this is my favorite. You do great work, Al!

by deutschegirl67 on Oct 5, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks again to all of you!

Gotta get off the computer for a while. Enough for now.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

This is the site, other sites do not compare

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Oct 5, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't suppose

your name has anything to do with Stranger in a Strange Land?

by epcub on Oct 6, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was spelled grok....

Grok?

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Oct 7, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Al, and everyone

This has been a great place to be for the past two years. I used to only read, then last year decided I wanted to join in and Al kindly e-mailed me a new password since I had forgotten it. I’m far away from Chicago now, but reading Al and the other posts is the next best thing to sitting at Wrigley talking to other fans. You’ve created a nice little community here, and I appreciate it. This morning I took my Cub flag off the front porch, folded it up and shed a few tears. I’m washing all my t-shirts and my lucky crocs—they’ll be ready in the Spring!

by mlern on Oct 5, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al, I can't really elaborate on what's been said in response to CaliCub's post because it's all already been said

I am really grateful for the fun I’ve had on here that couldn’t have happened without you running the place as well as you have. I am also grateful for the fellow Cub fans on here who have shared a great season with me. It truly made the season a lot more fun than it would have been otherwise to get to talk to real Cub fans.

As for the recently completed NLDS, I have one word that sums up my feelings.

SOB!! (The crying kind that is, not the cursing kind).

I’ll look forward to sharing more Cubs moments (and Cubbie occurrences) with you all.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Oct 5, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks from me also

I read here more than post, but I am so glad to have this community to come to. Thanks to AL and everyone who makes this the wonderful place it is.

by Kimanism on Oct 5, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al

I agree. This site is so well run, that I was actually a bit shocked to learn about the “other” BCB and the vile things that go on there. When I was new to this site, I thought that all the SBNation blogs were run this way — not so, and it’s been a lot of fun to participate.

I don’t know that I will be as active on here next year. Part of that is the emotion of the last week, part of it is the realization that I do need to put a little less emphasis on, as someone said, 25 men over whose actions I have no control.

I’ll always be a Cubs fan, and I suspect that I’ll continue to actively enjoy this site — even if I do dial it down a bit.

Thanks for the good reading, entertainment and the comaradarie that the site promotes.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

shanghai I do hope that's not true

that you will be less active. I understand how you feel but we need you here come hell and high water.

This hurts.

by Emelie on Oct 5, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey shanghai

i hope you come back also!

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Oct 5, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

Your sig line is, sadly, perfect.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please stay around.

I’ve enjoyed your posts and yuo have helped make it feel like family in here.

by sue369 on Oct 5, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I'm not going away - at least not yet!

And thanks to you, Em and zev for the nice words.

I suspect I’ll be a bit less active in game threads, though — not because I don’t enjoy talking with all of you, but because I think that I allowed myself to get too distracted from other things.

Naw, this site’s too much fun to walk away from.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shang...

…first Michigan, then Ohio State, now Cubs. And next week…Penn State. It’s going to be a horrible year.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

GO BEARS

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know it

What a disappointment. I knew they were overrated at #8, but thought they could be a top-15 team. No chance now.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah you better stay...or well, you don't want to know the other option..

aight i’ll tell you…its more frank tv commercials!

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey man it could be worse,

I could have given you the option of constant Viagra//Cialis (aka “look there are bathtubs in the middle of nowhere, lets have sex in them!”) commercials

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, good point.

I might be older than you, but not that old….

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha!!

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You brought a lot to the party

just with that one post, CaliCub. Nice work, and I couldn’t agree more.

Al, this site is the best, and your elegy today almost moved me to tears.

Since 1971, when I attended my first game (Paul Popovich grand slam, I believe, and the Cubs beat the Cardinals), the Cubs have been involved in the longest love affair of my life. I just wish that once in a while, in October, the Cubs would love me back.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 5, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al - I have to agree on the MVP vote...

I used to belong to another blog-type site for a hobby I have which is not sports-related, and I have to tell you that I have all but abandoned that other site in favor of this one.

I used to only read here for the last year-plus, so although as someone else said of me last night, I don’t feel I am a “Johnny come lately” particularly because everyone here makes you feel welcome and like a part of the family.

I have found a new favorite hobby – being able to sit and watch a Cubs game with my laptop and feel like I am in a room with 200+ other hard-core Cub fans watching the game. It sharpens your mind, wit, and baseball knowledge in general.

Thank you once again for the experience – and for making me cry. I feel better now, and next year will be here before we know it.

Going to the Blackhawks game now – so I will see you guys later.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Oct 5, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I’m a noob here, but I’ll be back. I love the people here, and I enjoy reading Al’s eloquent, passionate, and funny posts and recaps during the next season. I enjoyed myself here in ‘08 and I can’t wait to enjoy games here in ’09.

"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)

by spoiledcubbage on Oct 5, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

ketchup on a dog??!! But really, echo your sentiments. Myself, living far from Chicago, this is a community, a place where i feel comfortable. Great post from my Socal Cubfan Bro!

by daily2b on Oct 5, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Used to read another blog…got tired of the negativity and “holier than thou” smugness. It was great to find BCB and enjoy following the season with lots of other down to earth diehards.

I heart the riot. (www.riotshirts.com)

by RIOTSHIRTS.com on Oct 5, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used to post on the Cubs.com board which is TERRIBLY run

plus it is very unorganized and confusing now. I like this blog much more!

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was my first season

with BCB and this site made the season even more enjoyable than it would have been otherwise. I live out of state, so there are not too many Cub fans around to enjoy the team with.

Despite the ending, thank you all for this wonderful season. Al, your ability to bring reason and withstand the emotional roller-coaster (seemingly at least) makes it a joy to read your recaps on a daily basis.

When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo

by gwood on Oct 5, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely positively

I agree with your sentiments. I recently checked out some other Cubs blogs and was pretty disappointed in both the content and the maturity of the posts. This is the best, and I appreciate all you guys/girls who are a part of this community even though I wouldn’t be able to pick any of you out in a crowd. Even now, only two days removed from hell, I feel better and come January I will be looking to book a flight to Sky Harbor for you know what.

by epcub on Oct 6, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Group Is Already Planning for Mesa Next March

Usually we stay at the Dobson Ranch, which is where the team stays. They have a great package – room, full breakfast, free newspaper, and tix to HoHoKam.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 6, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BIGGEST DISSAPOINTMENT

would be a major understatement! I’m sure I’m still in shock. this season was for me a bigger dissapointment than the 1984 NLCS. I work at a burn plant (we burn garbage to make steam and electricity) and seriously considered burning all my cubs stuff. Thats how bad I feel. I probably wont though,and just wait for another dissapointing next year.

by UTCUBS on Oct 5, 2008 3:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad...

…Lee had the honesty to say there is additional weight playing with the Cubs, because we are dealing with human beings, not robots.

I mentioned before, it will take a “unique” group of players to get over this hump (similar to the Red Sox in 04). With this said, players feed off of each other and the first task should be to make the necessary changes with this in mind. If the team is constructed in a way where each position in the order has the skills to do what their spot in the order is designed to do, it will help to alleviate some of the pressing when certain players try and do too much.

In the playoffs especially, you need to be constructed to apply constant pressure to the other club, and if you don’t, they will be the one applying it to you – see 07 and 08 playoff results.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2008 3:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Right.

Clearly, this collection of players has talent and ability — they wouldn’t have dominated the NL all year if they didn’t.

They needed the mental toughness to get past the next obstacle. They didn’t have it. Can this group get it? Maybe. Or, more likely, they need a couple of key additions to make it that “unique” group that can end the drought.

The good news appears to be, that once the drought DOES end, the next group of players in (Red Sox, I’m referring to) doesn’t seem to have the same set of problems.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would argue...

…the 84 Cubs team hurdled a huge obstacle by being the first Cubs team in 39 years to make the playoffs. They also heard about the long drought, 69 Cubs and all that other crap on a day to day basis. Also, look at what they did to the 69 Cubs memesis (the Mets), they manhandled the Mets when it counted and they had a talented club.

That 84 team two important ingrediants this team doesn’t – a constant spark at the top of the lineup and leaders who I think rubbed off on other players in a positive way (Matthews is biggest example). That club also competed hard in the playoffs and although they lost in gut wrenching fashion, they constantly battled, where this club didn’t.

It won’t take a lot of changes to get this club playoff ready, but it will take the right ones.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's too early to talk about this, in my opinion...

…but I have a hard time truly feeling out our needs. Some don’t like Soriano, I say it’s not easy to move a $136 million dollar man. We could use a everyday CF or RF or SS, but we did win 97 games with our mix-match of players in those positions.

I feel as if there is an emotional block, not a physical talent one. And that makes no sense to me.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy the 100 year thing......

sorry. My guess is that there is more pressure to play in Chicago (and NY, Philly annd Boston, too)…..but the media and fans are tough everywhere. I some ways Cubs should be less pressure than the Yankees because “they do have nothing to lose”

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right.

BUT THE PLAYERS DON’T PLAY THAT WAY — that was the point. They shouldn’t put the 100 year pressure on themselves. But they do. They have to NOT do that.

Now, the key question is: “How do you do that?” Get that answer and you’ll be the genius that led the Cubs to the World Championship.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too me....that's Lee's on addmission that he's not mentally tough

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. It sounded like an excuse made in the moment.

Maybe it wasn’t, but that’s how it sounded.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Oct 5, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are wrong on this one, sir.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounded to me

like he was admitting that the pressure may have played a roll. But it didn’t appear to be an admission of lacking mental toughness.

If anything, Lee was the on Cub player who withstood the pressure and performed in this series.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Oct 5, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree....

0 RBI’s
Key error
1 Run scored

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

.545 AVG

The one AB that really disappointed me by him was 1st inning game 2

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's the one that bothers me, too.

but, when the Cubs’ backs were to the wall in game 3, he was the only one coming through. Well, him and Daryle Ward.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Oct 5, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee's struggles really were disappointing

Because he really seems like a class act. But there is some truth to what kc said; he wasn’t the guy I wanted up most of this year when the game was on the line.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And he really is a class act

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think Lee is a great guy

but that’s not why he was offered such a big contract. Right now, it looks like the Cubs are going to be paying $13 mil. for a singles hitter. That’s not what they are paying him for either. Downside of his career? I hope not. That’’s why they have the comeback player award. He’s definitely eligible.

"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse

by mattvegas on Oct 6, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RBI's not his fault

When your lead-off hitter goes 1-14…

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Oct 5, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...that was a big parrt of the problem post season....

But he had 1 – 2 hitters on base in front of him all year…he shouldda have like 120+ RBI’s with his OBP in the 3spot

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee was mentally tough in 2003, unfortunately

We all remember him coming up in Game 6. For the wrong team, unfortunately. The guy has proven himself in clutch situations.

by J.Bo on Oct 5, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tune it out.....

MLB needs to see the BIG dropoff from no fans watching the rest of the yyear

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 3:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm probably going to tune it out...

… but what would that accomplish with MLB? Would they say, “Gee, no one’s watching now that the Cubs are out, we better make sure we have them win next time!”

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they'd

Give us better umpires then ;)

You know what stinks most about this one? I have absolutely no way to defend it. I can’t say that it was because of curses, or blown calls, or just that one ball that didn’t carry quite far enough. They just sucked. Sucked in ways that I haven’t seen for years now.

It feels weird to admit that….

by hmlee on Oct 5, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care how....

just win….and there is NO WAY I ever want to see the Dodgers ever win another game…I fid glee in teh Brewers being how and hope the Sox fans have to go through it tonight……I’m a bitter vindictive a$$ hole right now

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right now?

;-)

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No all the time....

just in rare form right now……Just kidding……..Bears looked good today….If Orton wants to show the restb of the world he’s an NFL QB, fine by me……

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

aren't there any white sox blogs you can visit to celebrate your victory?

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Oct 5, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm happy for you.

Just thought you should be celebrating with your own kind rather than hanging out with us.

What’s up with that? Afraid of going out tonight?

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Oct 5, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Afraid?

Only if Cubbie fans are in the area. They were violent when their team was winning (example 1, example 2), god knows what they’ll be like now after another choke.

by DrCrawdad on Oct 6, 2008 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sad.

Seriously. You know baseball, and you do sometimes make good points, but you come here to provoke reactions. When someone stands up to you, you back away like a typical bully.

What the hell do you expect when you come here spewing your garbage — a welcoming party?

I’ve got plenty of real-life issues to deal with. If all you’ve got going on for yourself is to go to a Cubs blog and comment literally 200X more frequently than you do on a White Sox blog, then say Cubs fans are obessed with the White Sox, I truly pity you and your empty life.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 6, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sometimes I wonder why I love you so

Then you come on here, and remind me.

by NittanyCub on Oct 6, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well put. Very well put.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 6, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And here I thought it was just a Big 10 conference thing

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 6, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, bully!
Seriously. You know baseball, and you do sometimes make good points, but you come here to provoke reactions. When someone stands up to you, you back away like a typical bully.

So, I’m a bully? I’ve never been accused of being a bully, here or anywhere else that I can remember. And where have I backed down? Jeez, I’ve posted here for years, probably one of the early ones. And I’ve been here in good times and bad for the Sox and Cubs. I’ve stood up to the verbal assaults and answered them in most cases that I am aware of.

You want to consider a bully, perhaps you should look at yourself. You’re the one relentlessly posting the personal digs and taunts.

Regarding my post count here and on the Sox blog, I’ve gone over this time and time and time and time again. I regularly post on 3 Sox discussion groups, Southside Sox not being one of them.

If you don’t like my posts or me personally, here’s a clue…

Ignore me. In fact, please do so since you clearly can not have a discussion w/o resorting to smears, taunts or personal attacks.

by DrCrawdad on Oct 6, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't Let Today Get Stuck In Your Craw, Dad

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 6, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do tell

Seriously. Use that search feature that you pride yourself on, and list the smears, taunts and personal attacks. I’d like to see them, since I don’t remember a lot of them. Frankly, I’ve gone out of my way more than once to say positive things to you. You finally struck a nerve today and I have no regrets about what I typed. Isn’t that what you wanted, anyway?

If you don’t like people attacking you, stop posting on a Cub blog when things go poorly for the Cubs and/or when you want to crow about the White Sox.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 6, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There you are.

I was afraid you were dead. Or in prison. Or wherever it is where White Sox fans go when they don’t listen to their parole officer.

by cwyers on Oct 5, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First the verbal attack then the physical attack.

That’s the M.O. of Cubbie fans.

Cubbie fans are such wonderful people and so much better than Sox fans!

by DrCrawdad on Oct 5, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're safe.

Gas money is too expensive these days. It’s not THAT worth it to me.

by cwyers on Oct 5, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dr. Crawdad's T-Shirt

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Oct 5, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Don't tell my parents I'm a White Sox fan

they think I am a piano player in a whore house."
DrCrawdad 2007

Tommie Agee was out.

by Weeghman Park on Oct 5, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really...you get off on coming in here and posting your Sox stuff...

and then crying “racist!” when your passive-aggressive shtick starts pissing us off don’t you?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 5, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cry, cry, cry...

Did you cry and whine when I posted positive comments about the Cubs before they got swept?

by DrCrawdad on Oct 5, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL...who would? Really....do you have anything other than that to say for yourself?

You’re routine when coming here is….show up when things take a turn for the worse…make veiled insult about fans/team…announce White Sox superiority in whatever topic you happen to be on…flip out the race/bigot card when you finally get someone to respond to you in the manner you were looking for.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 5, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll call a ...

… bigot a bigot. It’s really not all that uncommon to hear those ignorant, bigoted remarks from Cubbies fans. If that displeases you then too bad.

And for the record, I never mentioned that in this particular discussion. Thanks for playing. Enjoy the off-season!

by DrCrawdad on Oct 5, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 5, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously Crawdad.

The Cubs lost. The Sox lost. There’s no glory in our city’s losses. You’re a regular poster here – mainly about how much the Cubs suck and the Sox rule – but there really is no glory to be found anywhere in Chicago baseball right now.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? Because I actually feel better when the Sox lose.

Although to be frank it’s only because it pisses Crawdad off. Before I encountered him I really didn’t care about them.

by cwyers on Oct 5, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I received WAY more

nasty messages from Brewers fans last night than I did Sox fans. WAY more.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is kind of OT:

but I like your profile pic

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bartman seat. Had to do it.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hhaha did you just happen to purchase tickets to those seats

or just go by there?

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Post-game. Seat was marked with a Cubs sticker

a few years ago. They took it off, but it’s easy to figure out.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha thats neat

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not all that surprising.

Did you send them love notes today?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

Stayed above that. I know from here on in we will forever receive claims of the 2008 season from Brewers fans that cite: “WE WERE BETTER THAN YOU IN 2008…AT LEAST WE WON A PLAYOFF GAME!”. But I’ll remember. And know that we were and are better. It’s a new season.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I can't wait for that "1 playoff game" crap

That will be their rallying cry after they lose 1/2 their rotation.

I’ve got friends that are Brewer fans, but man — a good part of their fan base can really be jerks.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is aanyone watching the sox???

I heard those games are getting some of the worst ratings ever in MLB post season….

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sat around Brewer fans at Camp Randall last night

And from their conversation, between 5 of them, I don’t know that they could name 15 players on the active roster.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

After living in Wisconsin for 5 years

most Brewers fans are just a notch above Sox fans in baseball knowledge.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And next year

They may forget about the Brewers again for a year or two.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey we won the division two years in a row

-have a better fanbase
-have more fans in Milwaukee than actual brewers fans
-AL didn’t want them so they are now stuck in the NL
-that slide is annoying as hell!
-have fun without CC and Sheets

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently, CC is leaving the door open....

…to resign with the Brewers next year. See here.

BTW, if we resign Demp, and sign CC, we could just field a good defensive team (Dome and Onedec), and probably win a 100 games next year…

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Oct 5, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure he says that now

but when the Yanks, Mets, and Cubs come to him with MUCH more money, then…

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly think Sabathia likes being a Brewer.

And I think they have the money to make a competative offer to him – maybe not quite as much as the NY times, but within the same ballpark. It’s something to keep an eye on.

by cwyers on Oct 5, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see CC becoming a reporter.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 5, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let him....

Cubs hit him hard…I’m worried about Carp coming back

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carp is DONE

didn’t he have more surgery last month?

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't have to believe me.

But lemme tells yah something. Been to see the White Sox several times in person, both the old and new Comiskey (haven’t been back since they renamed it US Cellular.) Have a complete set of trading cards for one of the White Sox teams of the early 90s, can’t recall which year to be precise. Never really hated the Sox. Sure, at some point I stopped LIKING them so much, but never really hated them.

You, on the other hand…

by cwyers on Oct 5, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, what's that?

IMG_3827

Holy crap, it’s a 1989 Ozzie Guillen baseball card!

by cwyers on Oct 5, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder what the market rate for that is....

if I have a chance today, I’ll look it up.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Oct 5, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But see Colin

the Sox do not matter to many of the local fans. They, as their team, are insignificant. They know that too. That’s why they whine and cry about not getting attention. Their GM does it, their manager does it, some of the players even do it.

It’s really unfortunate a large number of their fans do it too. Because there’s many of them I’ve met over the years at the Cell none-the-less that ARE NOT represented by what you see spewed here.

Frankly I could not give a rats ass what they do 156 games a season. In the playoffs, well who knows maybe they’ll catch lightning in a bottle.

But until the entire organization stops playing the “what about us” card, they will continue to be an afterthought in Chicago.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Oct 6, 2008 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always found this joke humerous:

You know your a White Sox fan when the only day you can take your wife to a game is “Bring your Dog to the Ballpark Day”

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That joke had

body fluids in it?

"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse

by mattvegas on Oct 6, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

trailor park...

with a bottle of Jack and carton of Camels.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Oct 6, 2008 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Dodgers don't win another game

then the Cubs really look lame. Like last year, when they were swept by AZ, who were then swept by Colorado. And Colorado got swept in the Series.

But then, with all due respect to the Dodgers, they didn’t win this series as much as the Cubs handed it to them.

by ChipSet on Oct 5, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The division series is a crapshoot....

I like Philly fans, and I think their team is classy. The Dodgers, OTOH, are just the opposite, and their fans are assholes. I’ve seen many games in that parking lot called Dodger Stadium, and I hope that the Phillies sweep those Hollywood jerks (Lasorda, Manny, and all the rest).

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Oct 5, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You like Philly fans?

Have you been to a Phillies game?

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Oct 5, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but not dressed as a Cubs fan :-)

I’ve seen other teams.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Oct 5, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear they can be ruthless

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Oct 5, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I refuse to watch another game until the World Baseball Classic

I am just so tired of the team losing. It won’t help when another team wins the WS in the year that we SHOULD have.

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And I would like to add

great work with this board Al. It was fun posting on here. can’t wait for next season, i guess..

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 3:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Al...

For summarizing the way we all feel.

I live in Indiana, and was gathered with the gang this afternoon at our local saloon watching the Colts make an incredible comeback against Houston. As I was leaving the bar after the Colts game, I noticed that the Budweiser poster with the Cubs 2008 schedule was still hanging on the wall. Without hesitating, I tore it off the wall, ripped it to shreds, and threw the pieces in the trash. That pretty much is my editorial comment on the Cubs 2008 season.

by perseman on Oct 5, 2008 4:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind the Dodgers as a team but I HATE their fanbase

They are just a bunch of arrogant, bandwagoning pricks. They would boo almost every Cub player (I am sure they were booing when Fonty was injured) and for every pitch called a strike against them they booed. Classless, hell I even think Yankee fans are better..

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 4:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinkin' that this horrible loss may be the catharsis the players might need....

…this year the players and a lot of fans thought it was the year, and there may have been additional pressure. When they are “resigned” to the fact that they will always choke, maybe that’s when the players begin to take it more easy in the postseason….

….but in the meantime, get Sori out of the damn leadoff spot, and get a good shortstop (I’m not dissing Theriot, I like him, I just want someone with a better range, better arm, and more OPS).

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Oct 5, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought LAST YEAR was the catharsis ..

This year was paralysis .. in the postseason .. once more.

I just don’t get this ..

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Oct 5, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The hardest part of all this...

Is trying to figure out what the hell can we do next year? Like Al said, you win 97 games and are among the league leaders in every major statistical category, and yet this happens. I’m not giving up hope, and I’m not looking for a drastic blowup of this team. We still have a golden window of opportunity to win with the players we have.

However, I do think that it will be a Cubs team that comes out of nowhere, maybe a young developing future Cubs team like the Rays, or an overachieving Wild Card team that just sneaks into the postseason, that finally wins it all. The pressure and expectations of 100+ years is the curse itself. The fans, the players, we’re all cursed with wanting to win the World Series so damn bad, we let the pressure get to us all.

Someday, we’ll go all the way. Go Cubs.

"From now on I don't want to hear about Fukudome, whether he'll play or not. I'll play Fontenot or Reed Johnson or someone, and that's the end of that."

by CubsBullsBears on Oct 5, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's a good reference

St. Louis Cardinals 2004

vs.

St. Louis Cardinals 2006

The team that was the best got swept in the World Series. The team that was barely .500 went all the way and was led by friggin’ Jeff Weaver and Jeff Suppan!

by IllinoisCubs on Oct 5, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so we gotta wait two years??

aww man!

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Oct 5, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This feels so much worse than 1998 or 2003 or 2007

which are the only series I’m old enough to remember. Last year I had the “Pick yerselvs up, this team is ready fer next year!!” attitude. Losing to Livan and Doug Davis (Doug Davis!!) didn’t seem real, it was surreal. I knew we were better than the D-Backs. 2003 I could taste it, the sweet bliss of winning it all, it was right in front of us, ready for the taking. It felt magical, Disney-like almost. It hurt to lose that NLCS, but I felt pride that we got so far, accomplished so much, and were only starting with Wood & Prior’s careers. 1998 I knew we were grossly overmatched, and was just happy to be playing. An anomaly, maybe, but hopeful for the future, yes.

This year, however, I felt as if my expectations were high – but not exuberantly so. We were first in runs, walks, slugging, OBP; we were second in ERA and runs allowed, first in wins, hits, and strikeouts. We were the second best team in baseball, and had eight men selected for the all-star game. No player stood out as the MVP, yet we can all name our favorite contributor – Soto, DeRo, Demp – and each and every man was worthy. We beat good teams and rarely lost to the bad ones – sweeping the Brewers in a four game series, taking six straight from the Braves, sweeping and getting swept by the Sox. Never did this team seem out of control, always in command. Our starter moved to closer, and our closer became our best starter. We traded for our #3, who would be a #1 on any other team. We were in first for 134 days, were 35 games over .500, and only 2 games under it. This team is ripe with age. We are not old like the Yankees, but we are ripe with veterans and proven youngsters. Batters are an average of 30 years of age, and pitchers, 28.9. The most fans ever came out to cheer this 2008 team on – 3,300,200 – and watched this team raise 97 W flags. We yelled our first “Shark in the water!”, figured out we have a Little Babe Ruth on our hands, and one of our most hated and respected rivals turned into one of our own, Jimmy Ballgame.

I am numb from this season. It held so much promise, so many memories, and felt like This Is The Year. I cannot give up, because I Am A Cubs Fan. I’ll be here next year, and the year after that, before, after, and when we win it all. But this one hurts.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My vote is 84

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Mostly because it was my first. The truth is I was just a little insulated this year. Sure it was a great team but deep down I always
think bad things might happen and I can’t get TOO excited.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 5, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A question I've been pondering...

If you had the ability, would you choose to stop being a Cubs fan right now?

Now, let me preface this by saying (and I bet most people will feel similarly) that I couldn’t simply choose to stop being a Cubs fan. It’s been too many years. Sure, I could not watch the first month or two, but eventually I’d see enough on Sportscenter, and they’d get just hot enough to pull me back in and string me along for another year. The only thing worse than enduring another year like this would be not being around the year it finally happens.

Which I don’t think it will. Not anytime soon, sorry, and maybe that’s knee-jerk, but I don’t. I think we have too much money sunk into bad players (namely, fukudome and soriano) and too much turbulence from the impending sale to go out and get a superstar. Soriano was supposed to be that superstar, but we all know how that went.

Which leads to my question. If you had the ability to quit cold turkey and not care about the Cubs at all, ever again, would you? I never thought I’d say this, but I think I would. It’s moot anyway since I can’t, but I’ve seen 3 chokes like this in the last six years is almost too much for a guy to take.

------ TheRiot Squad ------

by RightFieldSucks on Oct 5, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No way...

Being a Cubs fan is the perfect analogy for LIFE. We all go through hard times; life throws us the proverbial curveball that all of us has swung away at like Kosuke spinning in circles, but we choose not to give up.

Plus, if it does ever finally happen while we’re alive, all this pain an hurt will be worth it.

"From now on I don't want to hear about Fukudome, whether he'll play or not. I'll play Fontenot or Reed Johnson or someone, and that's the end of that."

by CubsBullsBears on Oct 5, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just read a post on the Tribune site...

"Being a Cubs’ fan is like being in love with someone who isn’t in love with you. You bring ‘em flowers, you bring ’em chocolates, you take ’em out for dinner, you worry for them then they’re sick or injured and then all they do is shack up with someone else and share their STD’s with you.
Yep, being a Cubs’ fan is like getting a dose of the crabs. You can’t get rid of that dang itch and you can’t get any satisfaction. "

Sums it up nicely for me…

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's kinda how I view it too...it's a good source of "existential angst" ....

Besides, the Cubs are my childhood team. How can I leave that….?

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Oct 5, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't do it.

I can turn away for a while, which is what I did when they let Maddux go in ‘89. I really thought that did it, since it showed management didn’t care about winning.

However, like so many have said, once they start playing again, I can’t help myself. And if they are good (and remember folks, they are the favorite to win the Central Division again next year), I can’t help myself. I’ll watch and cheer.

To have one thing in life that remains constant, to have one thing that you stay with all of your life, is not such a bad thing.

Go Cubs!

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Oct 5, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um Maddux was let go after 92 season

So I hope you did not give up in 89.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 5, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the correction.

It broke my heart when they let him go.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Oct 5, 2008 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No more so than I could choose to not be 1/2 Italian

It’s part of who I am. All the pain and the disappointment doesn’t detract from the good memories that I’ve had in 25+ years of following them. It’s by no means the only bond that I have with my father, but it is a strong one that I would never want to give up.

None of us wants to hear about “someday” right now, including me, but if the Cubs ever do finish the job, the angst will have been worth it and it will be that much sweeter.

And, let’s take a step back for a second. Yes, this sucks. We thought this was the year — but — for those of us old enough to remember 1984 and the years in-between, the thought of contending nearly every year was a pipe dream and now it seems like reality. There are those here that go back further, and the thought of contending one year in a row was a pipe dream for them. As hard as it may be to see right now, things ARE better than they have been in a long, long time for the Cubs. Granted, you never know when you’ll be back to the post-season, but there is a commitment there that never used to be.

No, I wouldn’t give this up. I’m in it until I’m in the ground — even if the Cub baseball is what puts me there.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's OK to like other teams too

at least I hope it is!

Baseball has been going on for nearly 150 years, and there have been some great stories and traditions involving the other clubs. There’s the Red Sox and the quest to end their championship drought…the hapless Phillies who are the only team to have lost 10,000 games and just one lone World Series title since the 1870s…the Athletics and their dynasties of the late 20s-early 30s, the mid 70s, the late 80s, and the early part of this decade…and now the Cinderalla story of the Tampa Bay Rays.

So the baseball historian in me has come to appreciate and cheer for these other teams. Maybe not with as much zeal as the Cubs, but seeing them do well helps take the sting out of the Cubs’ misfortunes.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 5, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said it in the other thread...and I'll repeat it here...

I am DONE with the team that I have followed since I was 6 years old. I’ll certainly be happy if they ever win it all, but I have zero faith that it will happen in my lifetime.

I have not lived in Chicago in 14 years, now getting closer to more than half my life away from Chicago, so it is increasingly silly to keep rooting for them.

The ballpark is still great, but I now have a championship-caliber team in my backyard here in Tampa. They play loose and the right way, and are fun to watch, and won the hands-down best division in baseball.

I just don’t have the time to waste on the Cubs franchise anymore. I will fully admit that many of you who will be back next year are stronger than I, and I wish you no ill.

But it’s OVER for me…GO RAYS!

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for jumping!

See ya soon.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, hard to be a "bandwagon" fan....

…when I’ve followed this team since I was 6.

You can stick your smartass comment in the orifice of your choice….

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then what are you doing here? Leave.

And I choose…my left ear.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Planning on it...

…I’ll be back to laugh at you kool-aid drinkers when they choke next year…

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's fine.

I’ll know – as will everyone else – that you left the team, and your fandom, at the door.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 5, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly what would it take...

…for you to do the same?

This team has won NOTHING in three generations…what evidence is there that it will EVER change?

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...
I have not lived in Chicago in 14 years…I now have a championship-caliber team in my backyard here in Tampa…GO RAYS

Yeah, no bandwagon-jumping there…

"The only way of finding the limits of the possible is by going beyond them into the impossible." ~Arthur C. Clarke

by Goodie1969 on Oct 5, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been attending games since 1998...

…and yes, it’s nice to back a winner…y’all should try it sometime….

Bucs winning it all in 2002 and Lightning in 2004 was tremendous fun.

I cannot and will not support this loser organization any more….

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet you're still here commenting.

Forgive me, but your words ring hollow right now…

"The only way of finding the limits of the possible is by going beyond them into the impossible." ~Arthur C. Clarke

by Goodie1969 on Oct 5, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm commenting...

…so what? You’re a better fan because you’ll continue to support a loser organization?

The only way things will ever change is if people stop supporting this choking dog of a team.

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

97 wins?

The Angels won 100 and could be done by 10 PM.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, they won in 2002....

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, so what?

How many of the current players were on that team?

Go ahead and vent all you want, or quit if you really mean it, but don’t tell people that they shouldn’t root for the Cubs.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can do anything you want...its a free country...

…but the rest of the world laughs at you….

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're taking this far too harshly.

Seriously.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 5, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are probably right...

…but I will not put myself through it any more…

84, 89, 98, 03, 07, 08….

How much is enough?

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What have you done for me lately?

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Oct 5, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do not claim to be a better fan.

I only claim to be a fan. You claim not to be one. Am I wrong?

(Oh, by the by, the White Sox just put a 4-spot on your beloved Rays, who I’d like to point out, also still haven’t won anything.)

"The only way of finding the limits of the possible is by going beyond them into the impossible." ~Arthur C. Clarke

by Goodie1969 on Oct 5, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are still up 2-0, and actually won a home game in the playoffs...

And you are right, I am renouncing my Cub allegiance. They are now just another crappy baseball team.

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

they’ll probably use that in their marketing campaign for next year. I’ll make sure they give you credit, though. Thanks!

"The only way of finding the limits of the possible is by going beyond them into the impossible." ~Arthur C. Clarke

by Goodie1969 on Oct 5, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs are like a cancer...

…the best option is to have them surgically removed.

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

GO ahead and cheer on YOUR Rays

Yes us Cub fans have been hit in the nuts more times than not, but it takes character and toughness to hang with them. A true Cub fan will take the hits, get up again and battle back, you, on the other hand wants to bail, so please do, and take your catapiller spine with you

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Oct 5, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a difference between toughness...

…and blind unthinking faith…

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is your point?

If you are no longer a Cubs fan we could care less. Is that supposed to make us feel bad? Does it increase your self-esteem to believe you have gotten over the Cubs and the people who post here aren’t? We don’t care if you are a fan or not. And we are Sure about that— unlike your screen name. What are you not sure about? You sure aren’t a Cubs fan-that is obvious. So go lurk on some other blog where you will get accolades for being a “former” Cubs fan.

Tommie Agee was out.

by Weeghman Park on Oct 5, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is your definition of "being a Cubs fan"?

Been around this team since I was six years old. This was the last straw…

Do you define it as blind optimism year after year? Continuing to support an organization that year in and year out kills its fan base.

If the Cubs were an abusive spouse, you’d have to advise a divorce.

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And who will you move to

when all the Rays have signed with Boston and the Yankees?

by rlpete on Oct 5, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check your facts...

…most of their young players are signed for years…

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Longoria

is, not Crawford, not Shields, not Baldeli,

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Oct 5, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baldelli...not much loss there..

…they have David Price to step into the rotation…

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care how old you were when you were first around this team.

You the one that said you were no longer a Cubs fan. Your friggin sig line says it. I don’t know what your definition of that is. So you think there is a secret 100 year old society at 1060 West Addison that tries to get fans hopes up and then dash them in Sep/Oct? Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone? Please inform us. We all have our “I was a Cubs fan since the beginning of friggin time” story. I love that story! See you next spring. You’ll have to tell us what your new screen name is.

Tommie Agee was out.

by Weeghman Park on Oct 5, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm starting to believe that, yes.

Being a fan of this team is a ridiculous exercise in futility.

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great.

You’re learning. That’s a start. I thought you were gone already but maybe there’s hope for you if you keep posting here.

Tommie Agee was out.

by Weeghman Park on Oct 5, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you stop and look what you're actually writing?

Honestly, do you look at what you’re doing? You were a Cubs fan less than 24 hours ago, and now you’re talking all this garbage?

The sad thing, YOU’RE the type of (former) Cubs fan that gives us a bad reputation. I bet you’re quick to chastise someone in public who has a baseball shirt on that wasn’t Cub-centric.

You’ve done this whole community a service by going with the tide, and becoming a fan of the hottest team in baseball this year; which I bet was really, really hard. I can’t wait to see you become a Yankees/Lakers/Patriots fan next year.

Good god, I can’t wait until this thread of Al’s post is over so you can leave this place.

by NittanyCub on Oct 5, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gee, last time I checked, you're the jerk off who decided this was the place...

…to gloat about an Penn State win….

I’ll be rooting for them to get stomped by the SEC or Pac 10 in the bowls…

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I forgot about your superior education

Is that better for ya?

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh it is! Thanks!

How is that superior age, and job, and family going for you?

: D

I can only hope I have as much wisdom and knowledge to have comebacks over the internets… at age 40…

(Did you see those ellipses I made?)

by NittanyCub on Oct 5, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great, actually...thanks for asking.

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

and I am not blind. I am loyal, you are not, Hey life is not fair, people are dealt bad cards, the difference between you and the rest of us you quit we don’t

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Oct 5, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said, there's a difference between loyalty and putting up with abuse...

…and this team is abusive to its fan base.

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just go away

You are really sounding like a child

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Oct 5, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They gave me a black eye two months ago

And told me if I ever told anybody, they’d kill my dog.

Sigh It feels so good to let that out.

by NittanyCub on Oct 5, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, now THAT'S funny...

…thanks for the laugh….

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

....

….

no…

…..

(wait for it)

….

problem.

(I was making fun of you the last post about abuse, unfortunately you’re too dense to see it. If an organization is abusive in the means of spending 118+ million dollars a year, well then, I hope they beat the shit out of me every 12 months……………………)

by NittanyCub on Oct 5, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great, just keep drinking that kool-aid

Formerly a Cub fan...but never again!

by NotSure on Oct 5, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Al,

Congratulations on another great year of BCB. Your work far surpasses that of any other board by far. Although the season ended on a sour note, you must take things in perspective. For me the most important things in my life are:

1) My health (excellent)
2) My family (love them)
3) My job (self employed)
4) Current financial crises (it hurts)
5) Cubs
6) Red Sox

I love the Cubs, but will not let it ever take over my other priorities. So the Cubs didn’t win it all this year. Hopefully you are still healthy and your family is fine. It’s not the end of the world-the Cubs will outlive us all. There are far more pressing issues in all our lives.

One more point. I know you think that the 2008 Cubs was the best team in your lifetime. Well, we are almost the same age and I have to disagree. No team can top the 1969 Cubs of Santo, WIlliams, Banks, Fergie, Holtzman, etc. for comaraderie and loyalty. Those were the days when the players LOVED playing for the Cubs, not just for money. Ron Santo probably would have played for free rather than get traded to the White Sox. I recommend the book “Miracle Collapse-the 1969 Cubs” by Doug Feldman to all BCBers to get a taste of what Al’s and my generation went through.

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Oct 5, 2008 4:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That depends on how you define "best team".

I think the ‘69 team had more great individual players, and you’re right about the camaraderie and loyalty.

But up to this week, 2008’s TEAM was better.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 5, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

As someone who also went through ‘69, I think this team was much deeper on the bench and on the pitching staff. There aren’t four hall of famers on this team (like there were in ‘69, and if you question my math, I’m adding Santo), but once you got past those guys, that team had a couple of other starting pitchers, Hundley, Beckert and Kessinger, and that was it. Everyone else was a journeyman ball player. This team didn’t have a weak link in terms of baseball talent.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Oct 5, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyways......

My last opinion today……I have mixed emotions about weather or not 2003 or this year was worse….in some ways this year was because I expected the Cubs to do well in the playoffs….where as 2003 was a pleasant surprise….but in 03 they did compete and play hard every game…this year seemed like a “ghostwalk”…..I really think 84 was the most painful b/c the Cubs were supposed to have home field advantage that year and the TV networks took it from them.

It is just baseball….we all like to watch baseball and comment on it more then the “average” person…so it is a bit “emotional”….The sun will come up tomorrrow, the holidays are coming up, winter will come and go andd spreing will be here again b4 we know it…….as Stephen King once titled a short story “Hope Springs Eternal”….

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still