Fukudome! or Fukudont?
As we all know, Kosuke began as hot as he could be. He hit the 3 run hr to tie it in the ninth. His eye rubbed off on many other players which allowed the Cubs to draw many more walks than what is accustomed to Cubs players. Don't leave the coaches out as they could have been the main source of this, but Kosuke really opened their eyes. (haha I crack myself up)
But, This only lasted for about 2 months before this All Star lost his touch.
So, how's the ride going to go for him next year?
I personally believe that Kosuke will be able to figure it out over the summer and become a pretty good hitter with some decent power and he will be starting in the OF for the Cubs in '09. Now what position remains to be seen.
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Fukudome will be starting in the outfield next year...
Although I think it might be in CF.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Oct 7, 2008 5:40 PM CDT 0 recs
Fuko will turn it around
As hard as people said he worked before spring training started, he knows that his year was horrible. He will work hard in the offseason and come back a better hitter. Did anyone else notice that his production dipped when his wife and baby arrived in the states after the first Dodger series? Call me crazy, but…
by BigFuko on Oct 7, 2008 6:16 PM CDT 0 recs
His season went opposite...
Of what I expected. I thought he’d start out bad, and then get progressively better as the season went on.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Oct 7, 2008 6:22 PM CDT 0 recs
Dome will figure it out next year
…or he won’t then get traded and play well for the next team like Kaz Matsui from the Mets to the Rockies
by HawaiiCubFan on Oct 7, 2008 6:25 PM CDT 0 recs
whenever he's healthy
he just keeps getting plagued with butt and back problems.
by nathew on
Oct 7, 2008 9:28 PM CDT
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Man, butt problems suck.
So this is how it ends.
by dat cubfan daver on
Oct 8, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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Butt problems? Who is this guy J-LO? Kim Kardashian? That's the kind of
but problem I’m interested in.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Oct 8, 2008 10:54 AM CDT
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Yeah, Kim Kardashian may be dumb as a rock...
…but the only problem with her butt is it isn’t right here, right now!
So this is how it ends.
by dat cubfan daver on
Oct 8, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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Yeah, there's some seroius junk in that trunk.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Oct 8, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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I really like Kosuke, I like him A LOT...
but it’s hard to believe that somebody with his credentials, and work ethic, could not have figured out whatever he needed to in the last 4 months of the season. I want him to succeed, and I want him to be the best RF the Cubs have seen since Sammy, but I’m just a little skeptical
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Oct 7, 2008 8:45 PM CDT 0 recs
Well...
…there havent been too many good ones, so its not hard to beat the likes of Burnitz, Jones, and the rest…
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on
Oct 8, 2008 1:26 AM CDT
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He needs to take notes from Akinori Iwamura and Ichiro.
Their swings are very similar except Iwamura and Ichiro stay in the box long enough to have a shot at hitting any ball in the strike zone (AND MAYBE EVEN A LOW AND AWAY PITCH).
by EJThunder on Oct 7, 2008 10:18 PM CDT 0 recs
the way I feel right now is trade him or release him....
but, it really doesn’t matter how I feel, its all about how Lou feels. The way Lou has expressed his feelings recently about Kosuke leads me to believe his time in Chicago is about to end. It will be interesting to see what happens.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
by collies-n-baseball on Oct 7, 2008 10:39 PM CDT 0 recs
Release him? and give away $36mil? I'm glad you're not my financial advisor.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Oct 8, 2008 8:59 AM CDT
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lets see, pay him $36 million to go home.....
or pay him to continue to play? Seems like your getting nothing either way, but without him on the roster you can get a real player to fill his spot and perhaps win say… 11 more games?
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
by collies-n-baseball on
Oct 8, 2008 9:40 AM CDT
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Look, no one is going to give him $36mil to go back to Japan. They may
negotiate a buyout, but he is still an asset. Businesses don’t write off an asset as a loss if they still can get something in return, It’s possible that he may come back next year and play like he did for the first 2 months of the season. You have to truly evaluate his worth before you talk about giving up on him.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Oct 8, 2008 9:56 AM CDT
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exactly....
You have to truly evaluate his worth before you talk about giving up on him.
That is why I say send him home. Your opinion differs, that is what makes this list fun. :)
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
by collies-n-baseball on
Oct 8, 2008 10:05 AM CDT
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I'm not saying don't send him home. If he has no chance
of helping the team, then they should get rid of him. My only point is that they aren’t going to walk away from a $36mil investment. They would figure a way to minimize the loss and move on.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Oct 8, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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okay, here's the options....
1. continue to have him on the roster taking up a spot you could fill with a big impact player who could contribute to winning it all. Paying him for not producing or not playing, especially after the manager doesn’t have faith in him to play him regularly. In my opinion, and this is only my opinion, your losing your investment here since how is he going to improve if he is benched? Or how does he improve knowing if he does not produce the manager benches him? Lots of extra pressure there, not very helpful in making him a better ballplayer.
2. Send him to the minors. You can fill his spot with a big impact player (after didn’t he come to the Cubs to have a big impact?) and continue to pay him millions to be a minor league player as you pay his replacement a good healthy salary to help your team. If he rebounds, then he comes back to what? You’ve filled his spot. How does he prove he has rebounded if he does not get a chance to play regularly? Perhaps a injury happens? Then what if he does not perform after his time in the minors? For me, and this is just me, I wouldn’t waste my time with this. Others may want to. That is their opinion.
3. Send him home, cut your losses and run and find another player who can help you win it all to fill his spot, knowing if you improve the team you move further along the playoff schedule, making more money in doing so and if you win the big one you reap even bigger rewards. This is my option and this is why. You have a different take on it and that is great!
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
by collies-n-baseball on
Oct 8, 2008 10:55 AM CDT
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There are 25 roster spots...
…and most teams carry backup outfielders. If you’re already going to pay Fukudome seven figures, why would you cut him loose and then go invest in a fourth outfielder like Reed Johnson? It’s absurdist.
by cwyers on
Oct 8, 2008 11:02 AM CDT
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+1
Keeping him on the roster may accomplish a couple of things. First, I don’t think he is type of player that wants to be a permanent back/platoon player. His pride may make him work on his game to the point where he adjusts to major league pitching. Second, he may be insulted by the demotion to the point where he accepts a buyout and goes home. Either way, you are better off than what happened the second half of this season.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Oct 8, 2008 11:09 AM CDT
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The culture of Japanese...
…players is different. These guys have a lot of pride and I’ll guarantee, Fukudome will leave no stone unturned in trying to correct what he needs to correct.
Also, if it so happens he is not able to be a producitve player on the Cubs in 09, I could see him going on his merry way because he would not want to be a burden. The thing is, I am sure he will give it the entire 09 before walking away.
My bet, is he improves enouph to where he is no longer an issue.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Oct 8, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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Yeah, this is a bold assertion...
…but is there any precedent? I mean, has any player as high-profile and highly paid as Kosuke ever “given up and gone home”?
So this is how it ends.
by dat cubfan daver on
Oct 8, 2008 11:10 AM CDT
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I don't remember a player of his profile
failing like he has. Some haven’t lved up to their hype, but I don’t recall a player starting out so well and going in the tank like he did.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Oct 8, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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I voted for "other"
Because at this point (with a lot of variables), my guess is he starts the season at Iowa, then eventually finds his way back to Chicago.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 7, 2008 11:07 PM CDT 0 recs
As bizarre as such an occurrence may sound to some...
…I could see that happening, too – especially if Lou seems Dome doing all those awful things at the plate again during spring training.
So this is how it ends.
by dat cubfan daver on
Oct 8, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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There is no trade possiblity
Who would pick up three years and roughly $36 million? You can’t drop him. Nobody this side of AIG can write off that much money. All is not lost, I think you have to give Fukudome the chance to come back after the winter and win a job in the outfield. Maybe he refocuses over the winter. Who knows the challenges he faced this year playing in a new league, facing all new pitchers, in all new ballparks to him. I believe his family lived in Japan. Maybe he should think about his wife and son moving to the US during the season to be with him?
by Nibbles on Oct 7, 2008 11:10 PM CDT 0 recs
Dome and Pie Need to Hit
Can Dome put together six good months next season as opposed to three this season. Can Pie become a decent major league hitter? I would like to see Dome hit .280 with 12 HR’s next season. Dome is capable of that. Pie is the wild card. Objectively, if he is the starting CF, I think he will .260 with 8 HR’s. How can I expect Pie to do better than that based on his previous major league experience?
If Dome and Pie can turn things around next season, it would provide a big boost to the Cubs by not having to go out and trade for or sign free agent outfielders.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Oct 8, 2008 8:54 AM CDT 0 recs
The off-season will be a test for Kosuke
In his position, he has access to the best coaches, training facilities, etc., in the world. He’s clearly got patience, intelligence, and talent. With this combination, there’s no reason in the world why he shouldn’t be able to break down his stance and swing and be at the very least a decent hitter next year. The test will be mostly internal – will he have the drive to really take his game to the full MLB level? I sure hope so, and will be pulling for him.
"[Lou Piniella] might be over 100, but he still has a lot of fire in him." - Ted Lilly, Sept. 10, 2008
by CaughtInTheVines on Oct 8, 2008 9:33 AM CDT 0 recs
Send him back to Japan.
I was one of the people shouting the most loudly, “Get him”, last year. But he doesn’t seem to have adapted to the culture here, or MLB, and his words and body language shout loudly, “Get me out of here”.
Buy him out and let him go back to Japan and start over.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Oct 8, 2008 9:33 AM CDT 0 recs
I don't mind the concept.
It would also free up a spot to get the clutch lefty (the guy he was supposed to be).
Given his awful experience, what would it take to buy him out? $5M, $10M?
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on
Oct 8, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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Reading all the public comments from Dome...
…it doesn’t sound like he’s ready to give up. He’s already had belongings shipped to Mesa in anticipation of being in spring training next year. I don’t think he’d take the buyout.
by cwyers on
Oct 8, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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precisely,
we need a power lefty. Also, while the core of this team is great right now, how many more years will it be so? How many teams win more than three division titles in a row or even make the playoffs more than three in a row? Injuries, age and other factors take their toll on a team.
I personally think this team has to make a big push to win it all next year with the core group it has. I’ve seen lots of teams that fans thought would keep winning for years only to fade away faster than thought possible due to injuries, players never having peak years again, age, etc. Peak years by a core do not last all that long. While this team will be playing winning baseball for quite a few years yet, it doesn’t take much to go from front runners to also a strong contender who didn’t quite make it.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
by collies-n-baseball on
Oct 8, 2008 11:52 AM CDT
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Wow, Al, really?
You’ve lost all hope in him then? Or is this the after-effects of the postseason beatdown still talking?
So this is how it ends.
by dat cubfan daver on
Oct 8, 2008 10:48 AM CDT
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I'm thinking its the
after effects.
We might need an intervention. ;)
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on
Oct 8, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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Al, here's a plane ticket to the Shady Oaks Cubs Fan Rehab Facility in Malibu, California.
You can either take it and get help today or we will all be forced to cut you out of our lives.
So this is how it ends.
by dat cubfan daver on
Oct 8, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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I'm going to guess (and vote) bench player.
I think Lou was really snakebit by Dome this year, and he’s going to show a lot of hesitancy to play Kosuke regularly until Dome really, really impresses him. We’ve all seen the way Lou “settles” on a player (see: Scott Eyre, Felix Pie) and then refuses to budge.
In Dome’s case, he still makes enough money to at least buy himself some time to regain his starting role. I’m guessing he starts off ’09 playing off the bench and then maybe – just maybe – earns a starting job in either center or right, depending on whether the Cubs acquire another lefty outfield slugger.
So this is how it ends.
by dat cubfan daver on Oct 8, 2008 10:54 AM CDT 0 recs
Fukudome is a concern...
…but I don’t think it is as bad as everyone thinks. At least with Fukudome, you have a premier fielder, who is a smart ballplayer. Clearly, you want him to hit better over the entire season and its likely he has the work ethic to do that. The problem comes in regarding the Cubs trying to add a power lefty bat. If that guy happens to play only RF, you may have to either sit Fukudome on the bench (12 mil is pricey on the bench) or move him to a postion he doesn’t play as well – CF.
For this reason, the Cubs may at least explore the possibility of trading Lee for the possibility of adding a lefty bat at 1B. Tex would be the obvious choice in this regard.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 8, 2008 10:58 AM CDT 0 recs
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