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Of all the things that need to happen in this off-season, we need to get a new first baseman.  Delete this post if you want but I got real tired of watching him kill ralleys.  Yes is a great defensive first baseman save for the error in the 2nd game but it happens and I'm ok with it more or less.  But even I could stike him out with 3 balls low and away and he would swing at everyone.  Its very frustrating to watch a guy act like there is no problem with his at bats.  You never once heard him say anything about need to get better at bats.  I know not all outs are bad but double plays are always bad.  When he did drive the ball there were 2 outs or he was leading off the inning.  I also feel signing Jim Edmonds and Reed Johnson wouldnt be the worse thing that could happen.  For what those two will cost and how we can platoon them and bat them against different people, no one center fielder will do that well.

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Again

Again this is why players feel no loyalty to the fans.

Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Oct 8, 2008 8:25 AM CDT   0 recs

If they cant take the criticism...

Dont take millions of dollars to play a game and get a real job.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 8, 2008 8:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When

When the attacks get as ridiculous as what I’ve seen on the net, radio and papers these last few days questioning their character and heart I don’t blame them.
Criticizing play is one thing but it has gone way beyond what is reasonable.

Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Oct 8, 2008 8:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't see a single thing in this post questioning Lee's character and heart...

… only his performance, which I’d suspect he would admit wasn’t what he would have wanted it to be.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 8, 2008 9:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

.545 in the series

He saves Ramirez and Theriot from at least 10 errors a season.

If Lee is coming up to lead an inning or with two outs and no one on, how the hairy frick is that his fault?

Move along, nothing to see here.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 8, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"If Lee is coming up to lead an inning or with two outs and no one on"

All those Double Plays might be a byproduct of computer graphics then. I knew that Comcast and WGN are doing something to Lee ;-)

by cubsnlinux on Oct 8, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm responding...

to the original poster, who seems to be having an “I love you/I hate you” battle with himself.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 8, 2008 10:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Me neither

Its been more about his age and penchant for DPs and overall declining power and rbi numbers

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 8, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

D-Lee Still Good

D-Lee is still a good hitter. He did better than Sori and A-Ram in the division series. I believe we all got spoiled by Lee’s performance in 2005. The best thing for D-Lee would be to move down to the 5 or 6 spot in the order. I’d rather have D-Lee at first than Hoffpauir.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Oct 8, 2008 8:47 AM CDT   0 recs

So you are OK with..

paying 13M to a 1B that hits in the 6 hole? Don’t you think that’s a big waste of money?

by cubsnlinux on Oct 8, 2008 8:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

why not?

I dont care where they hit. They are paid to play no matter what. I think if you ask a lot of players out there most dont care what spot they hit as long as they start. Now some like Sori do better in the lead off but if it was hit 5th or sit what do you think he would do? The amount of money you pay them shouldnt matter how they play. They need to do all they can every game for 9 innings and if that means hitting 6th and driving in runs from there then thats what they do.

by pickupman21 on Oct 8, 2008 8:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I really don't think you completely understood what I said or may be I did a lousy job

in presenting my point.

DLee is getting paid big hitter money (13M annually with a full NTC) to hit for POWER in the number 3 spot. He got this contract after putting up big power numbers in 2005. In most of the lineups first basemen are your big power hitters as they play the least difficult defensive position. Now if a lineup has big hitters elsewhere then they can sacrifice a little power for glove at 1B. But we DO NOT have that liberty. There is every indication that with each passing year Lee is going to hit for average and less power (in fact his average will also decline with his bat speed).

Now, do I want to replace Lee with Hoff? Hell No. If possible do I want to replace Lee with a Tex..Hell Yes. So all I am saying is that if there is a possibility we should trade Lee for an upgrade. In other words we should be open for trading Lee. I agree that in the WORST case scenario we should move him out of the 3 spot.

by cubsnlinux on Oct 8, 2008 9:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

While your logic is okay on common thought,
In most of the lineups first basemen are your big power hitters as they play the least difficult defensive position.

Follows are two 162 Game Averages, which one is the better “First Baseman”:

.303/.383/.442 12 HR, 37 2B, 83 RBI, 14 GIDP
.282/.367/.497 27 HR, 36 2B, 87 RBI, 16 GIDP

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by N Oakley on Oct 8, 2008 9:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly who

I was thinking. I dont know if Tex is available but I think it would be an upgrade. And yes he is paid to hit for power but it was obvious in June he wasnt going to. I think a faster way to help him fix his swing this year would have been to call Hoff up and bench Lee for a week or so. Granted it would have been hard but it would have got the point across. We need him to hit and hit in the 3 spot. Look at what Gracie did for us. No he wasnt a power hitter and wasnt expected to but you put him up there when you needed to make contact and he did. I know he was a different player than Lee but when you have Sori and Rami and at Times Edmonds for your power and dont forget Might Mike, you can loose power for cosistancy.

by pickupman21 on Oct 8, 2008 9:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and exactly how many championships we won when Grace was here?

Look, we are doing all this micro analysis because we believe that the Cubs brass for whatever reasons is finally serious about bringing a championship to the North Side and we are trying to better the best. I call it micro analysis because for a casual eye there is nothing really wrong (well may be Soriano in the leadoff spot :-) ) with our lineup. But if you follow this team every single game of the season you will certain anomalies like Soriano hitting in the leadoff spot and DLee’s lack of power hitting in the 3 spot. I am not saying that we should absolutely have a Pujols or a Howard at 1B because they are rare commodities.

Now please don’t tell me you are serious about benching DLee for Hoff to get the point across. Lee is NOT a rookie and I am absolutely positive that he already got the point and so did Lou and the rest of the world. Unfortunately the answer is not Hoff at least not this season.

by cubsnlinux on Oct 8, 2008 9:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Never

Said it was the answer. No he isnt a rookie and he shouldnt need to be benched but when a vet like him sees his is struggling with his swing he should bench himself, step away from pressing and relax. And the best way is to take yourself out of the pressure and let your mind catch up with your competitiveness. It happens to all players at some point but they need to see it and deal with it instead of pressing more and more.

by pickupman21 on Oct 8, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You are fixated on this whole DLee has been 'pressing' thing

and what I am trying to say is that his capabilities are on a decline. Lee is getting old and there is a high probability that he WILL NOT put up the requisite power numbers. It doesn’t matter if he is or if he is not pressing. He is just a slow motion replay of this 2005 self.

by cubsnlinux on Oct 8, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

This isn’t a mental thing, not entirely anyway. He’s just declining at age 32, losing his batting eye, and losing his power.

He’s like Soriano in that he’s only really hitting mistake pitches, but he’s unlike Soriano in that he’s not really capable of hitting those mistakes for any power.

Assuming that he can’t be moved, I assume that he’ll be batting #6 next year, with Soriano at #5. Lee simply isn’t a heart-of-the-order hitter anymore.

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by D98 on Oct 8, 2008 3:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wouldn't the WORST case scenario

entail playing Micah Hoffpauir at 1B?

by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 8, 2008 2:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

162 Games

Maybe he did a little better in 3 games but I thinks its more important to do well for 162. Everyone can struggle for a while but from June to October is more than a slump. Right now I dont know what first baseman are available but we need to look at the possiblities.

by pickupman21 on Oct 8, 2008 8:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Move him down the lineup

But we don’t need to to trade away one of the best defensive first basemen in the game. The guy saves more runs than produces at times. If you don’t believe me look at Cubs 2006.

by ak123 on Oct 8, 2008 8:52 AM CDT   0 recs

move him UP in the lineup

less men on base consistently, more utilization of his OBP skills

i say you move him UP in the lineup

by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 8, 2008 2:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1... DLee in the 2nd spot

(unless he miraculously finds his power stroke next season.)

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by digitalbenjamin on Oct 9, 2008 11:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why does everyone keep saying this re: defense?

Is he really still that good defensively at this point? How much better is he than the average 1B defensively? He’s not even in Mark Teixera’s league defensively.

I know that Teix is going to get a giant payday this offseason, and that it would be very difficult to add him, but this subjective “Lee is still a great defensive 1B” argument needs some objective facts to back it up, or it doesn’t hold water. He made 9 errors this year. And if we’re going to claim that he prevents other people’s errors, that doesn’t hold water either – Aramis’ errors were up 80% this season.

Lee is a fine defensive 1B. Probably still above average. But not really so far above average that it excuses his abject lack of power. He used to be an awesome defensive 1B. But there is absolutely no way in heck that he could have made the diving stab that Teix made in the 9th inning of Game 4 of the ALDS, for instance.

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by D98 on Oct 8, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

From games this season

I think DLee has been great defensively. He’s made our 3B, SS and 2B look like much better players digging balls from the ground.

I don’t watch every other team so I don’t have too much to compare him to but it just seems like he can handle our team at 1B quite well.

by ak123 on Oct 8, 2008 4:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying he's bad.

But his defensive stats aren’t as good as they once were, and they’re nowhere near the league leaders.

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by D98 on Oct 8, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Simply the fact that Rami's Error numbers were up

doesn’t mean Lee caused them. That fact gives 0 proof of how many errors he saved. How do you know theres NO WAY? He made plenty of amazing stabs on hard hit balls all season long. It’s so hard to rate how good someone is defensively

Ryan Braun made 0 errors in left field, is he a good defensive left fielder?

by cubsfaninatl on Oct 8, 2008 7:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not trying to prove the point here.

It’s conventional wisdom around here that D-Lee’s defense is so valuable that it makes up for the loss in his offensive abilities. I’m just asking someone to explain why they believe that to be the case in something other than completely subjective terms, and his defensive stats don’t make the case.

Every first baseman in MLB can pick a ball out of the dirt. Some are better than others, but if Lee were some sort of defensive superstar, you’d expect that to be borne out in his range factor vs. the league.

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by D98 on Oct 8, 2008 8:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You would almost expect him

to be a gold glove winner in the past…like last year. I understand we obviously have different views and not going to change eithers mind but in my opinion I feel his defense is still very valuable for the team.

by ak123 on Oct 8, 2008 9:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

After 07 and 08 playoff results...

…there is little doubt they need to upgrade the offense to make it more difficult for opposing teams to game plan against. If this means trading DLee to get a piece you need, you go ahead and do it. Nothing against DLee, but you can’t put one player ahead of improving your team to try and win a championship.

In fact, the only player on this club that should be untouchable is Soto. Beyond that, do what you have to do to improve the club.

Now, back to reality. It is very unlikely that Hendry trades any of the core pieces of the current club. The two main reasons are this; no-trade clauses will limit Hendry’s flexibility and it has never been Hendry’s style to trade established players until their value has significantly dropped and I would doubt he starts now.

They can win a championship with this core, but pieces need to be added to get that done.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 8, 2008 9:02 AM CDT   0 recs

Didn't we lead the league...

In most major offensive categories? Runs scored, OBP, etc. That’s what’s so baffling about this, it seems that we have a great offense that just craps out in the playoffs.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Oct 8, 2008 9:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's see...

…if they can get that offense to stop crapping out when it matters most, in the playoffs.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 8, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lee

wasn’t the one “crapping out”….

by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 8, 2008 2:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree...

…I think my stance is they shouldn’t refrain from trading anyone that could give them a piece they need more. If that is Lee, than so be it, although I would like them to keep Lee and dump Soriano, but that ain’t gonna happen.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 8, 2008 3:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

right

no one is untouchable, i agree

I’m just tired of seeing Lee lumped into the group with the rest of the guys. Lee SHOWED UP, in a big way. It’s not his fault no one was ever on base when he was up

by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 8, 2008 3:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lee cant hit in the clutch?

I won’t argue that it seemed that there was something fundamentally wrong with his swing all year and Lee even said many times he felt there was but couldn’t fix it. This is definitely cause for concern, but does everybody forget that Lee was one of the few to show up to the playoffs this year?

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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Oct 8, 2008 9:08 AM CDT   0 recs

Don't confuse us with the facts when we want to rant and rave and pile on

a player for no particular reason. What are you trying to do, make sense?

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 8, 2008 9:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't understand what you are talking about.

No one is talking about giving up DLee for a couple of draft picks. I think the whole discussion is about how to upgrade our 3 spot. If there comes a possibility for improving the team by trading DLee for an upgrade then we should be open for that possibility. That’s all we are saying. You got to accept the fact that DLee is on the wrong side of his performance parabola. We are not saying that he reached the bottom of that parabola.

by cubsnlinux on Oct 8, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lighten up Francis, I was being sarcastic.

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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 8, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If someone would take on his full salary

I would definitely trade him for a couple of recent high draft picks.

Gaining salary flexibility is just as important, if not more important, as return on the deal.

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by D98 on Oct 8, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

IMO...

…Lee’s bat is reaching a stage where it has slowed down just a tad. He is not pulling balls middle in out of the park like he used to and he is chasing more low and outside breaking balls. When your bat slows, you know you need to start your swing a little sooner to get around on the pitchers fastball, and this automatically makes you more suspectable to getting fooled on the breaking ball in the dirt.

Lee is still a good hitter, but the days of him hitting 300+ with 30+ homers are probably behind him.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 8, 2008 9:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he needs to change his approach

For some reason he seemed to stop driving the ball to right field like he used to. Whenever he struck out on the pitch that was low and away, he pulled off like he was trying to pull it. If he were to go down and drive that ball into left field (a la Theriot with some actual power) I think he would be a dangerous hitter again, and his power numbers would go up (maybe not homers, but doubles at least).

by dr stabbingworth on Oct 8, 2008 9:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree completely...

…and there have been a lot of hitters who have continued to be productive when their bat slows a tad like Lee’s has.

IMO, he needs to focus on pitches middle out and think about driving those to right center field. He did that in the last game of the Dodger series and has in the past when he waits on the pitch.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 8, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Those days were never here.

Lee hit above .300 AND thirty+ homers only once in his career, that being 2005. He also has only batted above .300 twice. The problem with Lee is that not only are his fly balls not going very far, but he is hitting far fewer fly balls than he has in the past. His GB/FB is higher than ever before, at 1.33. A power hitter can’t afford to hit fifty seven more grounders than fly balls, especially in the three hole. If Lee sticks around in the middle of the order next year, the double plays will not go away.

by dakoose on Oct 8, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

By comparison,

Aramis’s GB/FB is only .65. If Ramirez maintains his rate this year in the 2009 season AND his HR/FB normalizes back to his usual rate, he should hit for even more power.

by dakoose on Oct 8, 2008 12:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If you want to upgrade at first

You’ll have to give DLee up and some other pieces. Who exactly do think we should get? What do you think it will take to get them? Without answering those questions, it is very difficult to take posts like these seriously.

by Cubinator on Oct 8, 2008 9:28 AM CDT   0 recs

The obvious target is Teixiera

He’s going to be very pricey – about $7M/year more than Lee is currently making. Also, he may not be interested in coming here, as the Angels and Yankees will be serious players in bidding for his services.

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by D98 on Oct 8, 2008 4:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Paul Sullivan made a cryptic reference...

…to trading Lee:

Lee has a no-trade clause but could be asked to lift it if he’s dealt to a team in California for pitching help. Lee lives in Sacramento, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

I have no idea if he’s just speculating or if he has a source for this.

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by cwyers on Oct 8, 2008 10:54 AM CDT   0 recs

With Sullivan...

…its probably speculation, but I would be surprised if the Cubs didn’t entertain this thought – at least internally not only with Lee, but other guys as well.

The problem here is what I mentioned yesterday. Hendry can have talks with teams about what they could get for Lee, but at some point (before the trade is made) he has to include Lee in those discussions. At that point, what if Hendry has an agreement in principle with a team, but Lee says he doesn’t want to play there? Now, you have one of your core players who knows you want to trade him, but he is still here. Lee seems like a real stand up guy and could probably handle it well, but these no trades can really cause problems in trying to move guys.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 8, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LETS START A RUMOR!!!

Derrick Lee, Ronny Cedeno and Sean Marshall for Matt Cain and Randy Winn

Fukudome, Marshall and Josh Donaldson to Padres for Jake Peavy.

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by Ross on Oct 8, 2008 11:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well it would make for a

Dang good trade if we could pull that off somehow.

by cubsfaninatl on Oct 8, 2008 7:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Geez, sorry...

I bang something out in 15 seconds and you guys are ripping me? You make me laugh.

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by Ross on Oct 9, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't worry

we got the point, the fans throwing out trades that make absolutely no sense for anyone other then the cubs and that are completely unrealistic.

by cubsfaninatl on Oct 9, 2008 5:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Any chance the Padres would move Adrian Gonzalez to the outfield...

…so the Cubs could package DLee and a few other players for Jake Peavy? That was the first thing that flashed through my mind after reading that quote.

So this is how it ends.

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 8, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't rule out San Diego for a trade. They are desperate to change the

make-up of their team and they may extend themselves on a deal.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 8, 2008 11:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But not for Peavy

They could rake in the prospects Dan Haren style.

by dr stabbingworth on Oct 8, 2008 12:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's actually more of a payroll slash

If they wanted to keep payroll steady, they wouldn’t trade Peavy.

Now with 100% more Canuck.

by Blicks on Oct 8, 2008 2:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Adrian Gonzalez is an excellent defensive 1st baseman

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by MDBNIU on Oct 8, 2008 3:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A-Gon refused to play OF

while a minor leaguer with the Rangers. That forced the Rangers to trade him, since he was blocked at 1B by Tex.

(He is also slower than Henry Blanco. Would you want to see that in the Petco Park OF?)

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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 8, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Trade him to San Francisco...

Heck, sweeten the pot and make a play for Matt Cain !!

"What pressure should I have on me? There's no pressure on me." -- Lou Piniella (10/3/08)

by MDBNIU on Oct 8, 2008 3:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Which California team

a. would want him, and
b. could afford him, and
c. has something to give up in return?

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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 8, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lee for Peavy?

Im not saying straight up deal but if Peavy was coming back I’d entertain the idea and at that point there is no reason to resign Dempster. Let Demp walk and take the salary that would have gone to him and Lee and bring in Tex.

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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Oct 9, 2008 4:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

DLee

. . .is one of our studs. He saves the pitching staff wear and tear with his glove alone and he’s still a good, not great, hitter. Trading him, in my opinion, would be foolish.

Perhaps Lou will move him down in the order to see what happens. Personally, I’d love to see him moved from the 3 hole.

Thank God we have professionals running this team, and not the knee-jerk fans that I occasionally am myself.

by leothelip on Oct 8, 2008 11:19 AM CDT   0 recs

"Trading him, in my opinion, would be foolish."

No trade is foolish on face value. It is ‘WHAT YOU TRADE FOR’ that makes a trade wise or foolish.

by cubsnlinux on Oct 8, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Trading him straight-up for Albert Pujols would be pretty wise, now wouldn’t it?

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 8, 2008 11:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree...

…a good GM should never rule out trades as a way to improve the club. Sometimes fans and GM’s fall in love with players and lose sight of the overall goal of improving the club.

I like Lee and certainly think the Cubs can win with him, but only Soto would be untradable if it was up to me. Again, Hendry has backed him self in a corner with no-trades, so lets hope he gets a lot more money to spend.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 8, 2008 11:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs