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Maybe its time to let Wrigley go gracefully?

I want to say that I might be as popular as George W. Bush after publicly saying these thoughts that have came into my head.

I realize the importance that Wrigley Field has on us as Cubs fans, I understand that Wrigley is a temple of baseball, and the worlds greatest most loyal fans support the team that plays 81 games a year there.

I also love Wrigley Field myself, I love the atmosphere, I love the sights and sounds and while it pains me.

I have to say, that its time for the Cubs to get a new home, a new field to play ball on.

There are many reasons why I think the Cubs need and deserve a new stadium.

The most obvious is revenue, Yes I know what your probably thinking, Mike? revenue? Your joking right this team had 3 million plus in 2008 what are you talking about? Yes the Cubs did have a great ticket selling season, but when a great majority of your fans cannot go to a game because of outrageous ticket prices and “legal” scalpers there is a serious problem with that scenario. Granted that could happen at a new ballpark as well, but a Newer park has facilities for corporate suites and other amenities that keep the “hotshots” out of the general seating areas and thus opening those seats up for more fans.

Also the increased revenue from advertising, those suites and TV deals give more for the team to spend more money for players on the field and thus equals a better product that more people are going to have to go see.

New ballparks have more options for families at the ballpark. Purists will hate this one because the adage is you come to the ballpark to see the game, but the more you can get a family into the ballpark, the more money they can spend and the more likely they will come back. And really do you care that someone else’s kids using a pitch speed tracker? Or hitting machine? Basically opening the ballpark experience up to whole new demographics is vital to a teams financial successes, and this is the second reason why Wrigley has to go.

Third, while its great that the CTA is right next to Wrigley, it makes it difficult and very expensive to drive to a game. So you might say well too bad, but see people who want to experience everything that watching the Cubs live has to offer, don’t want to have to give up the convenience of their car. Also as a person who lives in the South Suburbs, I can tell you that id rather drive to Wrigley some games then pack myself into the cattle car known as the EL. Also the team owned parking lots give the team what??? MORE MONEY.

I think you can see where I am going with this, it all has to do with Money. Money talks, whether it be on the field or in the organization money is what makes Pro-sports teams flourish.

Fourth, More night games, while am not a numbers whiz I know there a lot of people here who are. But I know there is a link between the amount of day games versus the amount of night games and the wins and losses associated with each. Day baseball is what made Cubs fans, Cubs fans, and I understand that, Hell I am in that category too, but when you play a majority of your games in the day it does make you wonder how well the team could play if a good balance of those games where at night as opposed to the daytime.

Fifth, Wrigley is falling apart. I know theres some kind of sarcastic joke about the concrete falling at Wrigley a few years back and the netting and all that. But the main sections of the park sans the bleachers are crumbling. And a total over haul of the park might be just as costly if not more then a new one itself.

Sixth, New Ballparks give state of the art equipment for players to train, practice, and scout opposing teams. The equipment that some teams have in their ballpark could make your head spin, everything from gym equipment to video machines to weight training the works.

I love the Cubs, I love Wrigley field but I also know when its time to say goodbye, and that time is fast approaching im afraid, From all the “issues” that I have mentioned to countless others its really time to take what memories we have had at Wrigley and really start to think about just what might happen should the Cubs get a new ballpark.

With the chance of the Olympics coming to Chicago in 2016 and the hoopla surrounding that, It would make an excellent chance for the City, the Cubs and the State to look into this idea.  

Where would you put this new stadium?  That seems like more of the biggest question surrounding the idea of a new ballpark. There are prime locations in the Suburbs that a new facility would go. How about replacing the Old McCormick place with a new park that way you have prime parking lots and are still close to public transit.  People will argue this point, What?!? The Cubs in Arlington Heights? Are you crazy? We have to remember regardless of where they play… As long as the Red C is on the ball cap you will be a fan and love them just as if they where still a Wrigley.

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I agree

I love Wrigley. But if a new ballpark would represent a clean break from the past and give the Cubs an advantage, bring it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 8, 2008 4:27 PM CDT   0 recs

I need time to digest...

but I will say well written.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson

by MikeOxbyg on Oct 8, 2008 4:27 PM CDT   0 recs

no

Wrigley Field and Fenway must remain. I am from Cincinnati, and I while I enjoy the modern amanities of Great American Ballpark, it is special when I get to Wrigley.

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 8, 2008 4:27 PM CDT   0 recs

I never said remove Wrigely

Keep it as a museam or something like that.

Id never tear the place down.

Also this isnt a knee jerk reaction to the Cubs playoff loss, I have been thinking about Writing something like this for a while. And I figured now would be a good time

by Galvan316 on Oct 8, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

Wrigley can stay. But that doesn’t mean the Cubs have to play ball there.

by AceCubbie on Oct 8, 2008 7:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah

It’s not real if it’s not an active ballpark.

"[Lou Piniella] might be over 100, but he still has a lot of fire in him." - Ted Lilly, Sept. 10, 2008

by CaughtInTheVines on Oct 8, 2008 9:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

True. Further, the land will be worth a mint for development.

But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night

by N Oakley on Oct 9, 2008 9:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Funky formatting

Maybe I’ll read it, but in the meantime, it’s not the stadium’s fault.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Oct 8, 2008 4:29 PM CDT   0 recs

Exactly.

In the current economy, who’s going to spend the money required to build a new park? And where would it be?

The ballpark isn’t the problem. Case closed.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 8, 2008 9:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Al

In the current economic climate, how much money would have to go into a major renovation of the ballpark?

Im not being sarcastic but would it be less then building a whole new place?

by Galvan316 on Oct 8, 2008 10:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, it would.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 8, 2008 10:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure, why not

Let’s change the team name to the Grizzlies while we’re at it. Cubs = Teddy Bear. Grizzly = Man-killing predator!

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 8, 2008 4:32 PM CDT   0 recs

Well written argument

however, I do have a beef with one suggestion, and I am only half serious, but . . .

McCormick Place? IMO, that puts us way to close to the White Sox.

When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo

by gwood on Oct 8, 2008 4:34 PM CDT   0 recs

LOL yeah I know

And while writing that part I thought about that too, But look at it this way… Imagine if the Cubs built a new facility there and it was Better then the Cell…

heh. Just a thought

by Galvan316 on Oct 8, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well Said

I agree 100%, I couldnt tell you the difference b/t Arlington Heights and Athens, Greece though, so I’ll leave that to the Chicagoans to discuss.

I just think its inevitability something is gonna have to give in terms of the Cubs housing situation and is probably the biggest issue for the new owner.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 8, 2008 4:46 PM CDT   0 recs

I think it should go too.

I dont think Wrigley is so amazing just because of the place. I think its ALL the fans, the atmosphere and the surroundings. So if we were to get a new park, I would want it in Wrigleyville. Theres only a few problems.
1. If we get a new park, you know damn well we need a parking facility. Where does that go if your in Wrigleyville? Under the park? I doubt it.
2. If you want parking, bye-bye Wrigleyville.
3. Retractable roof or not?
4. Do we keep anything from before?

Theres other things ive thought about that i cant remember. Like someone else said, this isnt part of the playoff hangover. I was thinking this when I went to Miller for the last game of the year. It was the 4th time ive been there. They have a GREAT facility up there.

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...

by LPLancer23 on Oct 8, 2008 4:46 PM CDT   0 recs

I think the Day game argument is probably moot at this point

with the exception of having to play the Friday Day Game after returning from a road trip on Thursday.

All teams play day games on Sunday
Most Teams play day games on Saturday
Most Teams play a day games during the week on a get away day.

I am guessing that the Cubs play 30 more day games than the rest of the league. Is that such a big deal when only a fraction of those day games come during the hot months and most of them are on the weekend when they have already adjusted. When we suck at home, other teams don’t seem to have a problem with the day games.

If they got the city to allow them to play Friday Night Games, the # of day games would go down even more

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Oct 8, 2008 5:21 PM CDT   0 recs

No, keep Wrigley!!!

Its part of what makes the Cubs the Cubs. I don’t want moderh things, I want old fashioned pure baseball.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray

by collies-n-baseball on Oct 8, 2008 5:23 PM CDT   0 recs

This is more divisive

Than when they introduced the Blue M&M

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 8, 2008 5:52 PM CDT   0 recs

I would vote 'Yes' for a new ballpark

Wrigley is a baseball monument full of memories. It has a magical aura to it.

Having said that it is what it is – A Rich Baseball Monument. May be one day Wrigley Field will be mentioned on the same page as the Leaning tower of Pisa, Pyramids of Egypt or the Giant Colosseum.

But right now we need a new ballpark with more capacity, state of the art facilities, better parking, ability to schedule ballgames whenever we damn please and so on. Now we can do two things.

1. We can build the new ball park exactly like Wrigley with the original scoreboard etc etc.

2. We can leave Wrigley as it is and convert it into a baseball museum. (We can still build the new ballpark according to the same old Wrigley design but all the artifacts (scoreboard etc) will stay put in Wrigley)

I think its time to move on.

by cubsnlinux on Oct 8, 2008 6:04 PM CDT   0 recs

Your main argument is money

And I say its not worth it. The Cubs already make enough money to allow for one of the biggest payrolls. Money is not the problem.

If the Cubs junked Wrigley for more money it would be would be the worst financial transaction since Judas took those 30 pieces of silver.

Plus, I for one love the neighborhood feel of Wrigley, and even though I now live in the South Suburbs as well, I love taking the El to the game. I wouldn’t mind a full-scale overhaul of Wrigley (keeping the scoreboard, marquee, ivy, etc.), but it is and should remain the home of the Chicago Cubs.

by SuperContext on Oct 8, 2008 6:05 PM CDT   0 recs

Fenway

They have managed to update that place and it still retains the lure and lore that makes it special and unique. Does Wrigley need major renovation—yup. But no reason to build a new park, Heck I’d be for an electric scoreboard and billboards on the Ivy (shudder) before I would want them to build a new one. Your money argument is another reason, as SuperC noted, why it would be a dumb move. Why raise the money (probably by taxpayers — who will never pass the bonds in this economy) when you have a paid for, albeit in need of repair, facility. Naaa…fix the place up, build the office building next to it or whatever and move on. Parking lots??? That is sooo last century.

by StevenABQ on Oct 8, 2008 6:15 PM CDT   0 recs

Have to be careful, though...

Fenway is still a good place to see a game, but it’s lost something with all the add-ons. They built it up too high behind the plate, and it’s much less of a hitter’s ballpark – I read somewhere that it’s now pretty much an average park as far as favoring offense, due to the changed wind patterns.

That said, a thoughtful renovation of Wrigley could potentially be nice.

"[Lou Piniella] might be over 100, but he still has a lot of fire in him." - Ted Lilly, Sept. 10, 2008

by CaughtInTheVines on Oct 8, 2008 9:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thoughtful and necessary

It can be tastefully modernized without looking retro-fitted. The upperdeck and grandstand need work, and things like luxury boxes and other revenue generating elements would aid in ticket prices remaining somewhat reasonable, while still allowing the team to make bank. Naming rights, additional advertising, via electronic panels etc. These are all things that can be placed in the park, many of us may not be bigs fans of such changes…but I think those changes are far more likely and probably more welcome than something as far-fetched as shelling out the cash for a new park. Plus, based on the addition of so many new parks in baseball; I think that any investor or prospective owner of the team would keep a slow hand to see how much ROI these new parks can generate.

by StevenABQ on Oct 8, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Money

I dont see whats so wrong about wanting a sports team to have more money in the coffers.

Also I think the Cubs should really consider there own cable network as well.

by Galvan316 on Oct 8, 2008 6:21 PM CDT   0 recs

I simply don't care...

…if I just wanted my team to buy a world series, I’d be a Yankees fan. I really want the Cubs to win it all. But I want them to still be the Cubs. If you take away Wrigley, neighborhood baseball, day games, ivy, and everything else you are advocating burning down, then they’re not the Cubs anymore. Sounds like the White Sox to me. If that happens, I don’t know what I’ll do, but I guarantee you, you won’t have to worry about a crowded ballpark anymore.

"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard

by TXCub on Oct 8, 2008 9:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The new ownership....

… may very well be interested in its own cable network. I’d expect that to happen.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 8, 2008 9:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

talk 'em into it, Al

and audition for the “man in the crowd” reporter job!

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 8, 2008 9:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

I don’t want to be a reporter for a job. I love being a fan and doing this site.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 8, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I could just see it now

The Yellon report….

Weeknights at 6 only on CubsNet whatever

by Galvan316 on Oct 8, 2008 10:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with that

I think the Cubs really do need a cable network. And a suburban location for the Cubs? Bad idea. You’d have a hard time packing the seats. Although it’s under city protection, the park are along montrose and the lakeshore would be a great place to put a ball park. The amount of revenue generated in wrigleyville soley because of its location, would destroy the neighborhood. There hasn’t really been a precedent done with moving a city team outside of city limits, so maybe I’m way off here, but I think it’s nonsense.

by scarymonsters85 on Oct 8, 2008 6:27 PM CDT   0 recs

I disagree with you

I think moving the ballpark outside of Chicago opens the team up to more marketing options, an even larger fan base and more ticket revenue.

There is a migration away from the city and into the suburbs and I think that would help a new ballpark as well.

Look, I never said this would be a popular idea with the people here, and Im not so sure it would ever happen, but I do know this much, sports teams are businesses like everything else in the business world.

And If the Cubs found out that building a new stadium would make whoever owns the team get that much more money in the pot. You can be your collective asses that a new stadium would be built.

I am a nostalga buff in my own right, and like I said I LOVE WRIGLEY, but I also want to see the Cubs have the best chance to win a championship and If that means among other things they’d have to move out of Wrigley, then I guess that’s what would have to happen.

by Galvan316 on Oct 8, 2008 6:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

your city will lose some tourism

i have gone to Chicago 3 times in the past 4 years, twice just to see a game at Wrigley.

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Oct 8, 2008 7:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think there is a migration...

to the suburbs – these days it’s going the other way! And the higher gas prices go, the less appealing a suburban location will be.

"[Lou Piniella] might be over 100, but he still has a lot of fire in him." - Ted Lilly, Sept. 10, 2008

by CaughtInTheVines on Oct 8, 2008 9:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A larger fan base?

Let’s see. If they moved to the NW suburbs, say, how does that make it more accessible to fans in the SW suburbs?

Same thing if they moved SW.

Not going to happen. Look at every single other ballpark that’s been built in the last 20 years. How many of them are in the suburbs?

That’s right. Zero. Bad idea.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 8, 2008 9:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I understand they are a business and would like more money

And I don’t necessarily think there is anything wrong with that.

But what I don’t understand is your insistence is that making more money would make the team more competitive. Maybe they would increase payroll by a little, but it is not as if the Cubs are losing because they are not spending the money to put a quality team on the field. Whether some of that money is wisely spent (cough Soriano cough cough) is another question, but as a fan, I don’t see how further lining the pockets of whoever ends up owning the team is a good thing in and of itself if it isn’t going to translate to more success on the field.

by SuperContext on Oct 9, 2008 8:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1 for the Cubs own cable network

SNY, YES, and NESN represent major revenue streams for the Mets, Yanks, and Red Sox.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 8, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My brother and I usually see eye to eye

on most things Cubs, and he’s been to more of the newer NL parks (Milwaukee and St. Louis) than I have. He loves Wrigley as much as any Cubs fan and he told me this year that the Cubs should build a new stadium. He basically said Wrigley was a dump. The seats, restroom facilities, food courts and concourse are so crappy compared to others. The field and bleachers/scoreboard are still the selling point, but the rest must go. Oh, plus no parking if you have to drive to the game.

I would tend to agree. I go to games here at Chase Field, and this place is far from a baseball palace, but on nights early in the season when the roof is open and the outfield windows/doors are open, it’s a great place to watch a game. I hate it when the place is all closed up. The new Wrigley could be like all the retractable roof stadiums and would be nice to play at in April, OCTOBER ;) and rainy days.

Making the original Wrigley a museum would be nice, but I don’t know if they have the deep pockets to sustain a museum instead of selling that property. The sad part of moving to a new home is that all the neighborhood charm and electricity that is there would be lost forever.

I haven’t lived in Chicago for over 8 years now and have no idea what open land would be available or suitably large enough to accomodate a new stadium and parking and probably a hotel/restaurant/bar complex like here in Glendale, AZ.

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by BigJohnAZ on Oct 8, 2008 7:31 PM CDT   0 recs

I personally love the bathrooms at Wrigley

I love the troughs!

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Oct 8, 2008 7:33 PM CDT   0 recs

Why not....

shut it down for a year, play at the cell, and doa massive renovation.

Modernize Wrigley!

New scoreboard, new bathrooms, more seats, but keep the Ivy, etc.

by EJThunder on Oct 8, 2008 8:29 PM CDT   0 recs

That's almost certainly what's going to happen.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 8, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Al

If that happens, then I guess you could consider it a “new” ballpark.

by Galvan316 on Oct 8, 2008 10:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not really.

There have been major renovations made to Fenway Park over the last 20 years. But it is still Fenway. They rebuilt the Wrigley bleachers; they’re different, but it’s still the bleachers. I assume they’d do the same thing with the rest of the park.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 8, 2008 10:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hopefully the year they do that

Wont be the year the Cubs do win it all or people will be crying for the end of Wrigley.

Wrigley stays…

by TheHawkRules on Oct 9, 2008 1:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

YES!

Nothing but bad karma exists in that hell hole. A world series title has not been won there, really only epic failures have occured in that ballpark. Tear it down. I dont care about the “atmosphere”. I would rather have a world series title than “atmosphere”

Dinosaurs? "Didn't exist. You can't say there were dinosaurs when you never saw them." -Carl Everett

by NDcubsfan on Oct 8, 2008 8:37 PM CDT   0 recs

Red Sox were able to win a WS in their same joint

I think a problem could be this: too many day games

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Oct 8, 2008 8:42 PM CDT   0 recs

fact

+1

Dinosaurs? "Didn't exist. You can't say there were dinosaurs when you never saw them." -Carl Everett

by NDcubsfan on Oct 8, 2008 9:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I RESPECTFULLY disagree!

1st off, the Cubs DO NOT play a majority of their games during the day — they play a majority of HOME games in daylight. It sounds like the Cubs are already trying to increase their number of night games, and I’m sure they will.

2nd, who cares what the revenue books look like? The Cubs make more than enough money already! Just like D. Lee said, Wrigley Field is a tourist attraction and lots of people who go to games, go for the experience; therefore, when the Cubs have a horrible season, they can still count on good attendance — I seriously doubt that would be the case in a new park — Just ask the SF Giants, who missed 3 million for the first time at their beautiful, waterfront park — because the team sucked.

Bottom line is, Wrigley Field should be modernized just like Fenway has been. Anybody who blames the ballpark for the team’s performance is making excuses. I admit, a good point is made with respect to player facilities; but I firmly believe, any renovation done to the park, would easily remedy that problem.

"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields

by calicubfan on Oct 8, 2008 8:46 PM CDT   0 recs

NOO

CUBS PLAY AT WRIGELY, RED SOX PLAY AT FENWAY… ENOUGH SAID CUBS STAY PUT. Cubs moving into a new ballpark would throw off the laws of nature and destroy our planet. You think global warming is bad. Have the CUBBIES move into a new ballpark that will be apocolyptic

by ondro on Oct 8, 2008 8:50 PM CDT   0 recs

+1,000,000

n/t

"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields

by calicubfan on Oct 8, 2008 8:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Very well written Galvan.

I would have to think long and hard about this.

by sue369 on Oct 8, 2008 9:02 PM CDT   0 recs

well written

BUT STILL A NO

by ondro on Oct 8, 2008 9:04 PM CDT   0 recs

NO F-ING WAY!

The Cubs get decent revenue streams as-is, Klown Kenney has mentioned how they’ve been able to increase these in recent years and that they have ideas for further increases without major renovation. Once you turn it into a Ball Mall or move it out to the suburbs it loses it’s appeal as a classic neighborhood ballpark and the Cubs become as big a draw as the Pirates.

We already have an alternative in town if you absolutely need to drag the rug rats to the park to be distracted from the game — it’s at 35th and Shields.

by 60613 on Oct 8, 2008 9:32 PM CDT   0 recs

Clown Kenney?

He’s good, no? Carrying on what McDonough started when he took over the Cubs presidency (“It’s time to win the World Series…not just the Wild Card, not just the division, not just the pennant”)?

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 8, 2008 9:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's a clown...

…for believing in curses and sending a Greek priest to the home dugout to have it “blessed” before the NLDS.

by 60613 on Oct 8, 2008 10:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

O I C

But not as clownish as Andy MacP.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 8, 2008 10:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Amenable To The Idea

For a while I’ve wondered if a newer, more modern-style Wrigley could be built in and around the Soldier Field-Museums area of town. Would dumping enough landfill along the lakeside create enough a big enough parcel of real estate to support the necessary acreage?

Furthermore, you could not only keep the original Friendly Confines but REMOVE some of the seating. How or why, you ask? Because a minor league team could be lured in to play there, and they only need about 10K seats to operate profitably.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 8, 2008 9:36 PM CDT   0 recs

Another point

Many of the new parks that have been made were HUGE improvements from their respective teams old parks. That is, getting away from boring cookie cutter designs and dumpy utilitarian venues. Actually most of the new parks are striving to recreate the views and ambiance of a place like Wrigley Field. Really all we are talking about here is improving parking, concessions, restrooms… Would everyone be talking about a new park if the concourse was lighted and covered in marble? Or if the restrooms included tile floors and chrome plated faucets? Or how about Sushi, Garlic Fries, and Gourmet Pizza? These things are easy — well maybe we’ll have to terra cotta the place instead of marble.

by StevenABQ on Oct 8, 2008 9:45 PM CDT   0 recs

Portillo's and Gino's East concessions!!

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Oct 8, 2008 10:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Somehow....

…sushi at a ballpark just sounds like a bad bet…..especially in Chicago…… :-)

"[Lou Piniella] might be over 100, but he still has a lot of fire in him." - Ted Lilly, Sept. 10, 2008

by CaughtInTheVines on Oct 8, 2008 10:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

They do it in Seattle though — Ichiro Roll anyone?

The deal is the kinds of amenities most people are talking about can be done without razing the park. I say keep what you have and make it better. To be honest I’ve visited alot fo newer parks in the last couple of years, and I guess being a simpleton I never really noticed the big deal. Why pay $8+ for mediocre concession food — even if it is gourmet? But I guess alot of people want that stuff along with their Micro Brews, so I say if it will squelch their moaning then I’m for it.

by StevenABQ on Oct 9, 2008 9:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I understood

that the largest feature of a building on the triangle lot would be space for kitchens, offices and infrastructre that currently cannot be held in the park.

A rebuild of the grandstand would create the fancy locker rooms, training, video, and treatment facilities and developing the triangle lot into a 6-7 story structure to host team offices and the like would give the Cubs a facility equal to any in the league while maintaining “Wrigley.”

As for parking, you can’t have the neighborhood environment that has created the Cub mystique and surface parking lots. At the Cell, you tailgate, at Wrigley, you visit a local establishment if that’s your thing.

But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night

by N Oakley on Oct 9, 2008 9:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I've been to Wrigley several hundred times since 1977 and...

…honesty prevails me to say that I would not miss the ballpark if the Cubs abandoned it for a new place somewhere else. Wrigley is a beautiful ballpark. Nobody questions that. But it also is a borderline dump in need of HUGE improvements. Plus I’m sick and tired of it being about the ballpark as opposed to the ball team.

If Wrigley is to remain viable then an EXTREME MAKEOVER will need to happen. Given the landmark status attached to the ballpark and Mayor Daley’s disdain for the Cubs I bet it will take years to even move an inch on such a project. Hence why I don’t think it is out of the realm of possibility that the new owner abandons Wrigley and starts anew.

"What pressure should I have on me? There's no pressure on me." -- Lou Piniella (10/3/08)

by MDBNIU on Oct 8, 2008 9:57 PM CDT   0 recs

I have a hard time reconciling "beautiful" and "dump"

To me, it’s either one or the other. I don’t think it’s a dump. I also don’t think it’s “quaint”.

Wrigley is old fashioned, and out of date. But it is beautiful.

Unique, beautiful things should be preserved if at all possible — for future generations to enjoy too.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Oct 9, 2008 8:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It is sad to me....

…that so many Cub fans would be willing to throw th