Edgar Renteria

by IllinoisCubs on Oct 8, 2008 4:02 PM CDT

I don't see his name being mentioned at all as a SS replacement. He had a bad 2008 (this is a fixed typo as posted out in first post), he's 33, but he has good defense and good .OBP.

Is he a plan B? plan C? Not a plan at all? He might find his way into the Central via the Cardinals.

Personally he seems like a guy to avoid if only because he's right-handed to boot.

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I assume you meant a bad 2008.

His 2007 season was a damn good one: .332/.390/.470. I don’t really know what to make of his awful 2008 line of .270/.317/.382. Could it be that he had a tough time adjusting to the better league? Perhaps, but it could be that he just started to decline. It also cold have been that he was unlucky: His season ending BABIP was thirty points lower than his career average, which would boost up his average, obp and SLG pretty close to his career norm. I would rather have him than Theriot, but the difference isn’t all that great.

by dakoose on Oct 8, 2008 4:14 PM CDT 0 recs

It's the 2nd time he's failed in the AL

Which is just odd, but there it is. It’s hard not to notice that he’s in his decline years though.

Last year, Theriot was actually more valuable than Renteria on offense (.269 EQA vs. Renteria’s .256) and roughly equivalent on defense (.818 ZR vs .810).

by Wreckard on Oct 8, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

Agreed

His best days are behind him

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 8, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up 0 recs

He has always been able to hit in the NL,

but his range has seriously deteriorated in the last three years. Perhaps the Cubs wouldn’t notice it, though, because his range is still better than Theriot’s.

I’m not sure that it makes sense to pay a lot of money for a minor upgrade at SS (who is also a RHB), when we really need to find a LHB with power for CF or RF, and possibly trade one of our RHBs for a LHB at the same position.

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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 8, 2008 4:22 PM CDT 0 recs

There are other issues that they'd have to resolve

Edgar still has payback coming for the forearm shivver to Fontenot in 2007. Ballplayers have long memories about stuff like that.

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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 8, 2008 4:24 PM CDT 0 recs

Bleah...

If Edmonds and Zambrano can co-exist, Fontenot can sit down and know his role.

But on the other hand, I don’t have any issues with Theriot.

BUt this is what the off-season is for, posts from guys who half-remember guys who may have been good once.

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by Worf on Oct 8, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up 0 recs

Knowing his role?

What does that have to do with anyhing? I said nothing about Fontenot’s job.

Renteria took a cheap shot at Fontenot in 2007. Teams remember those things.

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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 8, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'm saying...

That if the team decides Renteria is the best fit, then Fontenot better get damn over it.

I personally don’t think Renteria is worth it and Theriot is fine, but I don’t want to hear a peep from Fontenot.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Oct 8, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up 0 recs

Really? Seeing as

how it didn’t happen to you it’s easy for you to say. Who in the hell are you to tell Fontenot anything?

by sue369 on Oct 8, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up 0 recs

I have just as much standing

As someone who said the team has to cater to Fontenot like he’s Jeter, Ripken and Pujols combined.

I don’t care about Renteria one way or the other, but if the team decides he’s the best fit, I expect Fontenot to act like a damn professional.

Again, if Zambrano and Edmonds can do it, Fontenot and Renteria can do it.

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by Worf on Oct 8, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

Who said the team has

to cater to Fontenot? Who said he wouldn’t act professional?

by sue369 on Oct 8, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

In addition to that,

I suspect Lilly, Lee, DeRosa, etc. were also pissed about it. I said the TEAM didn’t like it, not Fontenot.

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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 9, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up 0 recs

Exactly.

by sue369 on Oct 9, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up 0 recs

That entire Tigers team..

suffered from a down year offensively, so I’m going to give him a pass. I’ve always liked him — except for when he introduced Fontenot to his forearm — and his contract is modest, with the remaining time short. I’ve have no issue if he was picked up in a salary dump.

Maybe the Cubs will try to looking into a Weurtz deal again.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 8, 2008 4:24 PM CDT 0 recs

I'd heard the Tigers might not even exercise the option.

Or have they exercised it already?

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by DGU on Oct 8, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

Not yet...

Just offhand though, it seems silly not to. He’s attractive for someone on a one year deal. Better to get something back ,considering the prospects lost.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 8, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up 0 recs

I think the word is that they are dissatisfied with his defense

…and are looking to improve there.

by Wreckard on Oct 9, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up 0 recs

hers my question

renteria has crossed my mind several times in the last few days. I do think he can play and the numbers for a contract can be done if he was willing. but but but……..why is it so many teams dump him? is he a clubhouse cancer? gay? what is it?? not trying to be funny but seems to me that he wears out his welcome quick everywhere he goes.

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by cubsluver22 on Oct 8, 2008 4:38 PM CDT 0 recs

gay?

haha, would that be relevant?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Oct 8, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up 0 recs

reason

just trying to understand why one team cant commit or wont to him given his ability and the lack of quantity out there—as far as good ss’s are concerned thats all.

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by cubsluver22 on Oct 8, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up 0 recs

The gay comment was inappropriate.

Do not do that again.

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by Al on Oct 8, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up 0 recs

wasnt in anyway

trying to be inappropriate. but there are always players like renteria who are pretty darn good players that cant stick with a team. doesnt make a bit of sense. sometimes we the public know why and in his case I dont think we do. what a person does on his/her own time is thier business but I could see that as a potential problem in a locker room.

another example could be having HIV—magic johnson was one of the best ever but because of that alot of people didnt wanna play with him. antoine walker is another example of a real good player that any one team wont keep.

was throwing out a couple ideas I had. I’ve wandered about why renteria cant stay on any one team for awhile. this is a discussion based website and I dont think in anyway that was inappropriate.

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by cubsluver22 on Oct 9, 2008 8:05 AM CDT up 0 recs

I repeat.

The “gay” remark was inappropriate. If you can’t see why, I suggest you refrain from commenting for a while and think about why.

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by Al on Oct 9, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up 0 recs

Well...

There was a piece in the East Coast Bias Magazine about him and Orlando Cabrera. Evidently, there is a riff between them about ownership of a Columbia baseball team…it was an interesting read.

He is interesting…definately has more pop in his bat than Theriot. He might not have much better range but his arm is certainly better. It is a very interest topic.

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by TheRiot Police on Oct 8, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up 0 recs

Not sure...

He left the Marlins because everyone does. He left St. Louis as a FA for more money in Boston.

He didn’t hit in Boston, so they paid the Braves to take him. He had two very good years with the Braves (and seemed to be well respected as a team leader), but the Braves generally trade veterans (even if it is a year too soon) to make way for future studs like Yunel Escobar. As a favor to Renteria, the Braves intentionally traded him to a team that promised to keep him as an everyday player.

He didn’t have a great season with the Tigers (who did?), and he probably is in decline, but the Tigers really cut him loose because they realize that they are old and need to rebuild.

I’m not sure that any team unloaded him because he is a clubhouse cancer.

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by DeRoMyHero on Oct 8, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up 0 recs

I say no

I’ve read all over that he’s not a team player in the clubhouse. He’s also been seen to be a dirty player on the field (see his elbow into Mike Fontenot’s nose in 2007). I like Theriot but if the team must upgrade I hope they find someone else.

by ak123 on Oct 8, 2008 4:48 PM CDT 0 recs

I'm still working on updating my projections...

…but at the ASB I had Renteria as a league-average defensive shortstop and Theriot as about 6 plays below average. As a hitter I’d project Renteria as better as well. Probably about one marginal win, off the cuff, difference. Worth it? Maybe.

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by cwyers on Oct 8, 2008 5:18 PM CDT 0 recs

Few million for one more win?

That doesn’t sound worth it. Granted if we do lose the division by a run I’d bite my tongue for saying that but money can be spent in better places.

by ak123 on Oct 8, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up 0 recs

Generally speaking, on the free agency market...

…you’re looking at roughly $5 million per marginal win above replacement. (That’s a guess at how this year’s salary inflation will shake out.)

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by cwyers on Oct 8, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

Full of information

cwyers I got to tell you, so far today you’ve taught me 2 things I didn’t know (and I like to think of myself as a know it all). Thanks!

by ak123 on Oct 8, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

No thanks

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by Grockcubs on Oct 8, 2008 7:47 PM CDT 0 recs

Let's see...

Theriot is better than Renteria and cheaper than Renteria. So no, no interest in Edgar.

by kanderber on Oct 8, 2008 8:31 PM CDT 0 recs

Edgar Rentaria has devolved into an awful defensive shortstop

A GIANT no thanks.

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by MDBNIU on Oct 8, 2008 8:43 PM CDT 0 recs

Blech...no thanks!

by sue369 on Oct 8, 2008 8:44 PM CDT 0 recs

yuck

by daily2b on Oct 8, 2008 9:15 PM CDT 0 recs

Boers & Bernstein in '04

I remember having them on the radio back then right before the start of the series against the Astros at Wrigley in late August. Renteria was with the Cards back then and facing free agency and they kept advocating getting him. “Rip the Cardinals’ hearts out, rip the Cardinals’ hearts out” – man, they must’ve said that like 25 times in the course of one minute!

Not that it has anything to do with picking him up now, but a goofy memory I have to this day. Whenever I see him or hear his name I think “rip the Cardinals’ hearts out!”.

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by CaliCub on Oct 8, 2008 9:21 PM CDT 0 recs

Picking up a guy like this....

… would be so typical of what the Cubs used to do in the 50’s and 60’s — sign or trade for a fading former star because he had good years four or five years earlier.

Stay away. Far away.

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by Al on Oct 8, 2008 10:08 PM CDT 0 recs

Rentaria was jettisoned by Boston, Detroit and now maybe Atlanta because he defense has become very bad

The LAST thing this Cub team needs is an aging shortstop who is lousy fielder. Ryan Theriot is distinctly better ballplayer at this stage of career.

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by MDBNIU on Oct 8, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up 0 recs

Meant to say...Boston, Atlanta and now maybe Detroit

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by MDBNIU on Oct 8, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up 0 recs

Isn't there a better option.

No offense to Renteria, but I think we have the option of getting something better.

by TheHawkRules on Oct 8, 2008 10:17 PM CDT 0 recs

Not many options

The fact of the matter is that you can count the number of SSs who can hit and field on one hand. And even the ones who can’t field aren’t hitting that well any more – just look at Jeter’s and Michael Young’s numbers last year.

I’ve said before and will stand by this now – I won’t be surprised if the best SS on the trade market this off-season is Ronny Cedeno.

by DGU on Oct 8, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up 0 recs

Good grief

Ronny Cedeno sucks. Precisely how many times do we need to see Ronny Cedeno and his three brain cells in the batter box, on the bases and in the field to recognize that he is not remotely qualified to be an everyday player in this league.

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by MDBNIU on Oct 8, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up 0 recs