Do we want Jimmy Ballgame back?
I just stubled across the following on everyone's favorite website, an Olney article.
There was talk after the Cubs were knocked out of the playoffs that center fielder Jim Edmonds, a borderline Hall of Fame candidate, might have played his last game. But his agent, Paul Cohen, said Friday evening that Edmonds fully intends to play next season.
"He's definitely coming back," Cohen said. "The way he finished up, why wouldn't he?"
I know I may be alone here, but I for one would love to have him back...at the right price. I know we have to figure out what to do with Dome, and the plans seem to be for him to take over Edmonds platoon role, but I would much rather have Jimmy out there against a righty. I believe someone had posted Dome's splits before and it wasn't like he was mashing with a righty on the mound.
What does everyone think?
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Been covered about once a week...
since the season ended.
No.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 1, 2008 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but...
the quote from his agent confirming his desire to continue his career is from yesterday, making it relevant.
by jbertram on Nov 1, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
Depends on what else the Cubs can come up with. If we thought that Fukudome could be what he was supposed to be a year ago, then Edmonds would still, I think, be a decent platoon partner with Reed Johnson.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 1, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much easier would this be...
if the Pads had outbid us for Dome? I dream about it sometimes.
by jbertram on Nov 1, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or anyone...
i hate him…. and all the fans who wear the stupid headbands….
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on Nov 2, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who else would you have preferred they sign?
Trot Nixon? Keep Jacque Jones?
It was slim pickings last year.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 2, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Rowand.
They both signed very similar contracts. I think I know which player I’d prefer.
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by D98 on Nov 3, 2008 12:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand? Seriously?
Dome underproduced, but I think he still may have upside.
Rowand is one of the most overpaid players in baseball.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 3, 2008 3:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, he's not very good.
I’m just afraid that Fukudome may be completely out of his league, both literally and figuratively.
That second half swoon didn’t look like a guy trying to get over a mental block or a hitch in his swing. It looked like a guy who was picked up off the street and asked to hit MLB pitching. He got off to a fast start, the league adjusted, and he proceeded to hit like an AL pitcher for three straight months. His OPS+ was 48 in August, and 56 in Sept/Oct. I don’t think I’ve ever seen those kinds of stats before from a non-pitcher.
As for Rowand… well…. he’s never going to hit like he did in 2007 again. But Fukudome isn’t likely to hit like Rowand did in 2007, ever. And while Rowand may have been aided by an offense-friendly home stadium in 2007 (and to some extent in 2004), he’d be moving to Wrigley, a favorable offensive environment, and one where Fukudome completely flopped.
Plus, he’s got a great glove (as does Fukudome), and he’s even a few months younger than Fukudome, so there’s no reason to see upside with one player and not with the other.
So, given the premise of the question that I’m limited to last year’s crop of OF free agents who cost roughly the same in terms of years and dollars, I’d go with Rowand over Fukudome every time.
If Rowand is one of the most overpaid players in baseball, then what does that say for Fukudome… who makes just as much money and is substantially worse?
I don’t want to get overly down on Fukudome. But is there any precedent for 31-year-old rookies who hit that poorly for that length of time to turn it around? I can’t think of any off the top of my head. Frankly, if it weren’t for the years and cash left on his contract, Fukudome would have played himself right out of the league in the second half of 2008.
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by D98 on Nov 3, 2008 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't necessarily think it's fair to compare the two.
Remember, Fukudome was playing in a foreign environment, and maybe it will take him a while to get into a comfort zone.
I’m willing to give him one more year to play the way he did in Japan. After that, a buyout would likely be called for.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 3, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think another year would be fine
But here’s this perspective, from a scout in the Boston Globe:
Fukudome (three years, $38 million left) is a very sensitive kid who doesn’t seem to fit with Lou Piniella’s hard-nosed style. Fukudome, according to one baseball official, “has much more talent than he’s shown. He has ability and he plays the game right, but that’s not a good place for him.”
It’s part of their notes on change of scenery trades
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 3, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, that article has to be wrong.
Lou Piniella always gets the absolute most talent out of every roster he manages. Players that don’t gel with him, don’t gel because they’re absolute losers who have no business being alive.
I can’t believe you would even think of posting something like that. Obviously you don’t respect Lou’s 79 years, 17 months, 3 days, and 49 hours of experience in baseball.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 3, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot the sarcasm sign.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 3, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as you wish

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 3, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I need it?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 3, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It just adds a nice touch.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 3, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I don’t think that Lou’s continual threats did Dome any favors. He basically screwed Dome and DeRo — who was playing great defense at 2B and didn’t need to return to the treadmill — when the team was clearly going to make the playoffs. Lou should have just moved him to the #8 spot and enjoyed watching him play RF.
The problem I have with the Globe’s scenario is that I think that Dome has a brighter future than Matthews, and I would hate to see Dome blossom in LA.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 3, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At the same time...
… Lou did give Dome quite a bit of rope. I’d like to think that Dome could play for him if Lou put him in a lineup spot and situation he was suited for.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 3, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Rope" is the operative word
He was basically advertising (through the media) how patient he had been while he was adjusting the noose.
A statement like: “Remember, he’s a rookie and he’s going to have some growing pains. He’s given us great defense, solid baserunning, and a very professional approach. I’m going to move him down in the order to take some of the pressure off him, but we love his long-term future. This team can still score runs; we can afford to let him make some adjustments.”
would have been much more helpful than: “He has to start hitting, or I can’t play him. I’m trying to give him a chance, but he has to produce.”
I guess that Lou figured he had to do that to Dome since he did the same thing to Pie. However, the scout who made the observation about Lou’s treatment of Dome was, IMO, absolutely correct.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 3, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This has been my ongoing point.
Some players live up to that. They rise to those challenges.
Other players, and most human beings in general, thrive on someone showing trust in them before they succeed and during their challenges.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 3, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about DeRo's description of Bobby Cox?
“He believed in me when I didn’t even believe in myself.”
I can’t imagine any Cub making that statement about Teflon Lou.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 3, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not even Ryan Theriot?
/beats a hasty retreat . . . .
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 3, 2008 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When did Ryan Theriot ever
have trouble believing in himself? That’s, in fact, why Theriot and Lou are good matches for each other. Theriot exudes self-confidence.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 3, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I misread that as belived in him when no one else did.
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 3, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely.
Of course, I doubt that the Cubs would be willing to buy anyone’s contract out under any circumstances.
It’s the organization that employed Antonio Alfonseca all the way through 2003, despite the fact that he was posting monthly ERAs over 8.00, was being kept far, far away from any useful game activity, and was in the last year of his contract. (Same goes for Bobby Howry in 2008.)
And just as much as I doubt that the Cubs would pay Fukudome to go away, I doubt that Fukudome would accept a buyout. For better or for worse, they’re stuck together. Hopefully he’ll figure out how to hit. Regardless, I assume that some heads have rolled in the international scouting department.
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by D98 on Nov 3, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They also refused to fire Dusty Baker in 2006
and insisted he manage the rest of the season.
On the other hand, they paid the Orioles to take Sammy Sosa off their hands in 2005.
Guess it just depends on whether the organization perceives the employee to be a problem to other employees.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 3, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand is a RHB.
The Cubs were specifically looking for LHBs. Rowand was never a consideration.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 3, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow! You hate Fukudome?
That’s unfortunate. Something happened to him mentally. He didn’t forget how to hit. If we trade him, someone will get a real good season out of him in 2009.
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like to him."
Solomon
by cubfever7 on Nov 3, 2008 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any reason to believe that?
I’m not completely discounting the fact that it’s possible, but we have to be honestly about how earth-shatteringly bad Fukudome was over the last 3 months of the season.
From June 30 on, he was a poor hitter for a pitcher. As a right-fielder, he was amazingly bad.
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by D98 on Nov 3, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He did a nice job but
no………………I think we got most of what was / is left in the tank. Maybe………if Fukudome goes home he could play in a platoon in CF………….depends on who we get to play RF (MILTON BRADLEY PLEASE!)………….and also on what happens with Pie
by plenz on Nov 1, 2008 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wouldnt mind jimmy back
but that only happens if fukudome is gone….I think an offseason to rest up and jimmy ballgame would be back doing roughly what he did for us this past season.
by cubsmania on Nov 1, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if we...
swapped Dome for Castillo with the Mets? I know he is hurt all the time, but he’s actually cheaper than Dome, they need an OF, Castillo (if healthy) can play 2B and lead off. Leaving DeRosa in RF. I believe they are in search of an OF’d.
By the way, I’m not saying this is the right move, its probably not, but it seems like it could be a possiblity.
by jbertram on Nov 1, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
that the Mets have an interest in swapping a 20 million dollar contract for a 42 million dollar one.
And Castillo was never a lead-off hitter, even at his peak. He’s a classic two-hitter, with above average speed. These days however, he’s likely to put up about a .675 OPS going forward. In the end, I wouldn’t be shocked if they ate his deal, and made him go away.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 1, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enough
Of this clamoring for Milton Bradley. He’s more childish than his namesake and is extremely fragile. Quote from the Dallas Morning News, “Milton Bradley has said he intends to parlay his career-best 2008 season into a multiyear deal or he won’t play in 2009.” A well thought out, professional quote if I ever heard one. If I don’t get what I want, I’ll go sit in the corner all by myself and hold my breath until I do. Would actually signing a clubhouse problem cause me to stop following the team—absolutely not. I would however, be extremely disappointed in the team especially since it seems we’ve come so far in pro scouting and efficiently removed our last clubhouse cancer. Don’t upset the chemistry now.
Time is an illusion--lunch time doubly so.
by snowyman28 on Nov 1, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 5000000
I can’t imagine anyone would be talking about Bradley coming to the Cubs.
There was talk of him coming during Dustyball days .. and I cringed everytime I heard of it.
Can you imagine a loose cannon like Bradley unleashed in CF during 2006’s meltdown? .. he’d have made Corey Patterson look like Willie Mays and there would have been bleacher creatures from both sides of Wrigley crawling down the vines to whip on him.
And he would have probably killed them as they came down .. Enough drama already. Whoever the Cubs get, it had better not be Bradley. I’d rather overpay Jimmy B on another one year deal then ever get locked into a contract with Mr. Game Freak himself.
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Nov 2, 2008 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's always good to have a senior guy on the squad...
particularly in the post-season. On the flipside, if he doesn’t perform, there goes a spot on the roster and some dough that would be better spent elsewhere.
Maybe as a player-coach, if Lou can find a spot for him there. It’d be nice to keep him in the organization somewhere.
All good things come to those who wait... and wait... and wait... and -- screw it, bring me the head of George Steinbrenner.
by znohitter on Nov 1, 2008 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO...
…the Cubs milked all they could out of Edmonds this year, and I doubt he has the same motivation next year to show he still has something in the tank.
Besides that, the club needs to work on getting a little younger if at all possible and I say you thank Edmonds for his wonderful contributions, and go another direction.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 1, 2008 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree as well
Buy him a watch, thank him profoundly for his efforts last season, and move on…
by leothelip on Nov 1, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Farewell, Jimmy Halfshirt
You turned doubters into believers. You caused rivals to reach across the aisle. You made the trip from Chicago to St. Louis just a little bit quicker.
Whenever I see a Dick Tracy look-a-like play a shallow outfield and make a leaping catch in hasty retreat, I’ll think of you.
May you air out your lower abs in warmer climes. And may your final playing days be LaRussa-free.
Godspeed, good sir.
by Short4Fanatic on Nov 1, 2008 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Serve up some Pie
Its now or never for him and the Cubs
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 1, 2008 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pie had his shot last spring .. I think he's trade bait
How many more chances will he get under a Lou administration? Zilch. Two years of misfires under Lou doesn’t bode well for him.
I’d say that he’ll be a bench player if the Cubs retain him this winter. I think he’ll get a shot at the job, but this time, there’s going to be some serious competition for it this time (barring a Hendry signing of a FA) and I doubt Pie will make it unless he morphs into something completely different during this winter ball season.
I hate to say it but I doubt the Cubs will resign Edmonds, although there’s a lot still in his tank and I think the Cubs should see if they can retain him once more .. but then again, if he does, platooning with Reed will be a likely scenario again. Neither man, I think, is going to be thrilled with that.
And Edmonds will demand some good money to come back – if he wanted to – and if the Cubs don’t pay it out, he’ll be more than happy to be a hired gun somewhere else.
The Cubs are on the hunt for a Cubtober with happy memories for a change and if Jimmy’s willing to come back and compete for the job and come to terms on salary, I think we might see him again. Then again .. maybe not.
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Nov 1, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt call Reed Johnson and Fukudome "serious competition"
Fukudome looked in over his head and Johnson is a part time player and Pie hasnt been given consistent ABs under Lous watchful eye.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 1, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would
.. there’s about 36M reasons why Fukudome is going to be in the mix. So he’s automatically in the mix.
How do you overlook Johnson as a serious competitor? How can anyone? Did you sleep through the season? The man, when he had an AB and a glove in the field, was a great contributor. What did Felix Pie do when he had the opportunity? Fizzle and flop around until he got packed again to AAA. Pie’s had his chances. His time with the Cubs is about over unless he becomes Roberto Clemente in winter ball.
Well, you’re right on one thing. The competition between Johnson and Fukudome is likely a moot point. Reed only had a one year deal and if the Cubs don’t move to sign him to something more substantial then another year of platooning, someone else will. He’s a good ballplayer we can ill afford to lose. Too bad for us.
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Nov 2, 2008 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Money doesnt make Fukudome a serious competitor
It makes him mistake on the front offices behalf. Reed Johnson has never been a full time player, so I dont exactly call those two stiff competition for Pie, who is about as athletically gifted as anyone in the organization, so on the surface he seems to have a shot.
I agree that he hasnt done much to prove its his job, but he really hasnt had a real consistent shot at the job, the 97 win Cubs of 08 couldve carried him in the 8th spot this year and probably still won the Central and he wouldve provided the much coveted speed the team seemingly needs.
I believe Pie is out of options, so like I said its now or never, and his trade value is at an all time low, so I just hope Lou, in his infinite wisdom, gives this kid a real shot.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 2, 2008 7:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly the reason...
… the Cubs need Fukudome to be the player who we thought we were getting. If that happens, then the Cubs could carry Pie as a platoon partner with Johnson.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 2, 2008 7:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al, put on Jim Hendry's shoes for a minute...
The FA market for LHB OFs, particularly power-hitters, sucks. Lou is bitching about needing something that you may not be able to produce. You are working with Sam Zell’s checkbook, not Mark Cuban’s. You don’t have a lot of tradable pieces, particularly in the minors. You gave up your best trade chip for Rich Harden. While 1B and LF are the easiest places to find a LHB power hitter, you are pretty much locked in for those two spots.
How much do you “bet” on Dome becoming an effective ML hitter next year, at least from the AVG/OBP standpoint? Even if you call him a “sunk cost”, you can’t really move on, because there aren’t that many CF/RF LHBs who are much better when both offense and defense are considered.
Do you make a drastic move on a 97 win team, trying to make a mega-deal for Brad Hawpe or Josh Hamilton? Do you try to sign Tex, then hope you can dump enough salary (including DLee) to afford him? Do you take a chance on trading for Hank Blalock, hoping that he will stay healthy and be willing (and able) to play OF?
Hendry has a lot more issues on his plate than we can even think of…
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 2, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best trade chip?
Eric Patterson was his best trade chip? Either you’re joking, or that’s pretty sad.
Also keep in mind that Sam Zell has not stopped the Cubs from doing what it takes to win.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 2, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking of Sean Gallagher, not Eric Patterson.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 2, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, right.
Well, Gallagher hasn’t exactly set the world on fire in Oakland. That said, I do think he will become a capable major league starter.
Harden is better.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 2, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that Gallagher had very good trade value.
I’m not saying that Hendry should not have made the Harden trade. Most GMs would give up Gallagher’s potential for Harden’s immediate value when in the midst of a pennant race.
The Cubs don’t have anyone like that now. Pie’s value has been severely diminished by Lou’s use of him. Colvin is injured. Veal hasn’t progressed. Petrick was injured. Hart didn’t show much at the ML level. Etc., etc., etc.
Right now, the Cubs most valuable trade chips are guys who have great value to the current team: Soto, Marmol, Lilly, and DeRosa. In order to make a trade for Roberts, Hawpe, Peavy, etc., you will have to give up a big piece of the current team — which probably means that you can’t improve the team very much via the trade route. Would you give up DeRosa for Luke Scott? I wouldn’t.
Given the dearth of good LHB RFs on the FA market, it will be hard for Hendry to pull anything off.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 2, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RJ is not a free agent.
He only has 5+ years of service time. If the Cubs want him back, he will be a Cub in 2009.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 2, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
really? i thought it was only a one year deal they signed him on
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Nov 2, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a one-year deal.
However, if a player does not have six years of service time, the reserve clause in the Uniform Player Contract specifies that his current team holds the rights to him for the next season unless he is traded, sold, released, or non-tendered.
He is arb eligible since he has at least three years of service time, and there is a (very small) chance that the Cubs could non-tender him (making him a FA) if they made a huge trade.
Chances are that the Cubs want him back and they will agree to a contract before they ever get to arb.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 2, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
The Cubs have not gone to an arbitration hearing since 1993. I doubt 2009 will be any different.
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by Al on Nov 3, 2008 3:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't that streak end last year?
With Wuertz or some other middle reliever?
by kanderber on Nov 3, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, they almost went to arbitration with
Zambrano in his last year but settled, literally, at the last second.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 3, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know where to find it, but...
I’m almost positive that one of our relievers actually went to arbitration this past offseason.
by kanderber on Nov 3, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Fuk really is platooning with Reed in CF
and we manage to land a RF (or dedicate the position to DeRosa), I just don’t see the need for Edmonds.
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by AceCubbie on Nov 1, 2008 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a couple of big IFs.
But under those conditions, I would agree.
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by Al on Nov 2, 2008 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy will be back.
…of all people…Jimmy will be back, and I will be happy.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 1, 2008 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In a perfect world, I'd say "adios".
However, the world isn’t perfect. Teflon Lou continues crying about getting a LH power bat. Looking at the options, Edmonds might be the best, especially since he would probably take a one-year contract. Who else would fit into the Cubs’ squeezed budget?
1. Abreu wants a multi-year deal for significant dollars. While his bat is still good, his glove has gotten downright atrocious. At Wrigley, he might never touch the warning track. What will he be like in three years?
2. Dunn and Ibañez? In RF? In Wrigley? Pass. I’d rather see Dave Kingman.
3. Brad Hawpe is probably not available, and certainly not if we don’t drastically overpay.
4. Ryan Church isn’t either, unless we overpay with a SP.
5. Hermida might be a better option, but it’s a huge risk since he is so unproven and is coming off a bad year.
6. Giles won’t go to a place where he can’t suntan in April.
7. Gameboard can’t play OF every day, so needs to stay in the AL.
8. Griffey is no longer as good as Edmonds, offensively or defensively.
9. Mark Kotsay is a good CF with good strike zone judgement, but he struggles to put up a .750 OPS and to stay healthy.
10. Brad Wilkerson hasn’t had a good year since 2005.
11. Corey Patterson has not improved since he left.
Looking at that list, Edmonds doesn’t look so bad. Signing him also allows Dome to stay in RF where he belongs. (He might still need a platoon-mate.)
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 1, 2008 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of the players on your list,
Mark Kotsay intrigues me in a reserve role, particularly since he showed he can play a competent first base. He’s also a player you might be able to get for a bargain. Because of his health issues, I think he is now more suited to a be a bench player.
Personally, I’ve always like the way Kotsay has played during his career.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 1, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're the one that's had me considering Johnny Damon -
which do you think covers more CF ground nowadays?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 1, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that Damon in 2008 was as good in CF as Edmonds in 2008.
Also, Edmonds has a far better arm.
However, what might be deceiving me is the size of Yankees Stadium vs. Wrigley. The Rally stats (link posted by Colin) project Damon at -2 and Edmonds at -6. I’m not sure how they do their projections, though, because they project DeRo at -8 in CF, and he hasn’t played an inning of CF in his life.
Wrigley doesn’t have the biggest CF in the league, and if Dome is in RF, Damon wouldn’t have much to do in RCF. We could get by with him defensively, as long as Lou is willing to make defensive substitutions late in the game with RJ or Pie.
The biggest difference, though, is that Damon is a leadoff hitter and Edmonds is a power hitter. It will be easier to come up with a leadoff man internally — Dome, Riot, DeRo (if Lou gets his head out of his butt), or Sori — than it will be to find a LHB power hitter.
Would you trade Marquis for Damon even-up? Would the Yankees?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 1, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, I'd trade Marquis for Damon, but I don't think the Yankees would.
What Damon is – is one of the few leadoff men who can both steal bases and get on base at an OBP level over .350. While I may be ok with a creative leadoff hitter, I’m not sure Jim/Lou are.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 1, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you trade Marquis for Matsui even-up?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 2, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I don’t think Matsui gives me the power I’m looking for at the price I’d have to pay. Why not sign Dunn and get a younger, better, more powerful version of Matsui?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 2, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
Interesting question.
Assuming that Matsui’s knee holds up, he is a much better OF than Dunn. (Of course, Henry Blanco would be a better OF than Dunn, but he is a RHB.) However, I think that the Yanks were talking about using Matsui as a DH because they didn’t think his knee would hold up. Also, Matsui might be able to help Dome a bit with his adjustments.
Assuming that Sori is willing to move to RF (and I think he would), the biggest issue is whether you want another situation like Sori’s contract is causing; do you want a second long-term albatross on the books? With Matsui, you are done after 2009; Tyler Colvin might be on the radar by then.
I’m not sure that I could stomach watching Dunn in LF or 1B for the next 6 years.
The next issue is that you might have to take someone with a sticky contract situation if you want to trade Marquis. I’d much rather have Matsui than Castillo.
Perhaps the best solution is just to move Marquis to RF.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 2, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and Theriot to the bullpen... ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Nov 2, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we have an outfield
that consists of Dunn and Soriano…God help us all.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Nov 3, 2008 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially if Dome is the CF.
He is a great RF, and adequate in CF, but I don’t think he can cover both alleys.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 3, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
now THAT made me laugh
2. Dunn and Ibañez? In RF? In Wrigley? Pass. I’d rather see Dave Kingman
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Nov 2, 2008 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Jim Edmonds back
Even if Hendry acquires a much needed left-handed run producer. Edmonds can still help the Cubs.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Nov 1, 2008 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fukudome will come back swinging
I think Fuku is somewhere in Japan working on his mechanics trying to improve his game. The guy is too focused and prideful to be a bum. I say he plays very strong center and shocks us all offensively. He was too good in the first half, too good in Japan, and too good in the eyes of all the scouts to suck that bad. 09 He redeams himself. At minimum hell have CFer numbers.
The Cubs can upgrade RF quite easily at least offensively through a trade or FA signing, so I say Jimmys gone but not forgotten.
by Steve Sax on Nov 2, 2008 12:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually it was stated
on CTL this past week he is still in Chicago. They said he loves Chicago.
by sue369 on Nov 2, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+ 100
The Japanese sports work ethic as well as what’s been obvious in his past career more than suggests that Dome is going to work like mad to put 2008 behind him. I think his adjustment attempts weren’t helped by the fact that he just ran out of gas in the second half. I hope he’s watching all the video he can and spending his days working out, building stamina and banging away in a batting cage with a couple of pitchers who will challenge the snot out of him. I think we’re going to see a new Dome era next year ..
I hope.
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Nov 2, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see a bad Gary Gaetti foreshadowing here
For some reason, and call me crazy, but I see Edmonds doing the exact same thing Gaetti did going into 1999 if he were to return to the Cubs. I just don’t see much promise in it.
by AeroZach on Nov 2, 2008 1:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Just because the Cubs once had a player that age who dropped off the cliff, ten years ago, doesn’t mean a completely different player would do the same.
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by Al on Nov 2, 2008 4:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
And the Cubs would be looking at Jim Edmonds as a platoon player at best. I like Edmonds and what he brings to this ballclub. Guy is a winner and still has decent enough skills to be valuable.
"Not that I don't feel like I'm part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, it's no better feeling than to have that done.'' -- Matt Stairs (aka The Professional Hitter)
by MDBNIU on Nov 2, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're absolutely right
And frankly, who knows how he’d be if he came back? But can you honestly blame my apprehension? Still, you’re right, it’s not totally fair to make the assumption on Edmonds like that.
by AeroZach on Nov 2, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we sign Jimmy to a 1 year deal...
…what would his market rate be? $1M?
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 2, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say more like...
…5 mil.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 2, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IMO
That’s the issue. $5M or more takes the fun out of it as that would make him the big LH bat acquired this offseason. While some may disagree, I’m hoping for a bigger upgrade than this if a LH bat is to be secured.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 3, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1 year @ $5 million would be okay deal on Jim Edmonds
I want him back.
"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda
by MDBNIU on Nov 3, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not wait until May 1?
If Edmonds signs somewhere so be it. Take a month to figure out what this team has and needs. If Pie fails to deliver, and Fukudome is back in RF, take a flier on Edmonds, as the Cubs did this year.
By giving him 5 months to play instead of 6, it’s possible that he might stay healthy and avoid those nagging injuries he seems to accumulate.
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by Trey2317 on Nov 3, 2008 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He needs to go.
The Cubs should be getting younger and bringing Edmonds back will be a step in the wrong direction.
I still think Pie needs to be tried (yes, I know, again) as he showed some flashes of success in September.
Suspect Lou will be pressured by Hendry to give Pie a legitimate shot to play, at least in a platoon with Johnson. If that doesn’t work, the Dome/Johnson platoon, with DeRosa seeing more time in RF, will have to be employed.
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by tville on Nov 2, 2008 7:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
james ballgame
im on the cusp either way. i,ll let the cubs make this decision. i,ll say reed and pie.as far as pressuring lou to play pie i think hendry let,s lou do his job.
by NOMAR on Nov 2, 2008 9:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If you sign him...
that pretty much signals the end of Pie’s Cubs career. With no options left and no place to play him, he will be a thrown in as part of a bigger deal or dealt for some low level ballplayer. I can’t see them carrying 5 outfielders…7 if ya count the Hoff/Derosa. For what it is worth, Lou did say some positive things in this month’s vine line about the improvements that Pie made throughout the year.
I think if they could trust Dome in RF than we would have most certainly seen a Reed/Pie platoon in 09 but alas that did not occur.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Nov 3, 2008 9:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You think Lou might be trying to build up Pie's trade value instead of tearing it down like he has in the past?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 3, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be
though I doubt that Vineline has a customer base much outside of Cubdom. You could also take it to mean that the Cubs Brass told him that we are not going to release the guy so baring a trade he will make your roster. Better to start softening your stance on him now so that it at least has the appearance that Lou thinks Pie has a legit shot to make the team and that Pie will view that as some sort of vote of confidence.
Really any motives for him making that statement are purely speculative on our parts.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Nov 3, 2008 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where would we be if we couldn't speculate?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 3, 2008 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
we would be stuck talking trades with our pets :).
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Nov 3, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of us would lose that argument, too.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 3, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew I shouldn't have gotten my cat that book on sabermetrics.
All good things come to those who wait... and wait... and wait... and -- screw it, bring me the head of George Steinbrenner.
by znohitter on Nov 3, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Different CF option
Boston is in the Teixeira market. That could mean they just like Teix. It could have more to do with Lowell’s injury. If it’s the latter, would you consider trading them Lee or DeRosa in a deal that nets us one of their CFs and/or one of their SSs?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 3, 2008 12:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, I seriously doubt the Red Sox are going to trade Ellsbury or Lowry
so that means, they’d shop Lugo and Crisp if they had a perceived surplus. Frankly, both are low on-base players that don’t thrill me.
I’m not quite sure what use the Red Sox would have with D-Lee if they signed Tex. I would think the Yankees would have more interest than the Bo-Sox as they are a little left handed heavy and need a decent fielding 1st baseman.
I would think DeRosa would be attractive to most teams as he has a modest salary compared to his production and has the flexibility to play different positions.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 3, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To clarify
I don’t think they’d want both Teix AND one of our CoIFs.
Jed Lowrie is the guy I’d most like to see acquired for SS for 2009. If there’s some way to get him, I hope Jim Hendry tries.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 3, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see the Cubs checking in on Lugo and Crisp,
just because they are Lou’s idea of “leadoff guys” (you know, the guys who can steal 2B but can’t steal 1B), but I’m not sure that DeRo would fit for the Sox.
If they sign Tex, Youk moves to 3B and Lowell moves to the trade market. They wouldn’t need DeRo.
If they don’t sign Tex, they leave Youk at 1B and wait for Lowell to get healthy, perhaps by playing Lowrie at 3B and Lugo at SS, or signing Crede to a one-year contract as a stopgap.
Lugo can be had for a C or D-level prospect, depending on how much salary the Sox have to eat. There will be more suitors for Crisp, so it would just be a matter of making the best offer.
I’m sure that Lowrie and Ellsbury are off-limits, unless the Cubs utter the word “Soto”.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 3, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Muskat SPEAKS.
Edmonds most likely won’t be back.
So, that’s settled.
In the recent mailbag, she says that and that Lou thought about moving Lee down in the order, but didn’t see anyone else on roster ready to take that spot.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 3, 2008 12:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm....
Maybe DeRo should stop dressing as the invisible man. He might have fit well in the #3 slot; it certainly would have been worth a one month experiment. I also think that Ramy would be a good fit there.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 3, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Soto
Or Edmonds
Or Soriano
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by DGU on Nov 3, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or anyone...
who doesn’t automatically ground into a 6-4-3 with a runner on first.
by jbertram on Nov 3, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not fair
Sometimes Lee grounds into a 5-4-3
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 3, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes, he doesn't get a chance to do either.
Riot got caught stealing an awful lot last year.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 3, 2008 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What does that settle?
…she is speculating just as everyone else has. The boys will figure it out in CA this week, until a decision is made everything is speculation.
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by derv on Nov 3, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That time, I actually did need the "Sarcasm" sign.
It’s not settled, but the way she’s writing that says a lot. Muskat can definitely be wrong, but her comments and others are making it seem like right now the Cubs are going in very different directions than Edmonds. I think, in fact, the Cubs aren’t likely to bring back Edmonds because they plan to move Dome to CF.
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by DGU on Nov 3, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carrie Muskrat ranks up there with Phil Rogers for journalistic accuracy
Lets see the situation play out in the coming weeks. There is no sense of urgency on the part of the Cubs to bring Jim Edmonds back. Not until they make progress against other needs and see where that leaves things. I still want Jim Edmonds back and think there is decent shot he comes back.
"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda
by MDBNIU on Nov 3, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ive changed my mind
edmonds hit 19 jacks in just 250 at bats for us? with a .937 ops? hell, i watched most every game but those numbers surprise me.
.937 ops? ha that led the f-ing team!
bring up felix.
by kylejo on Nov 3, 2008 6:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thats all I'm saying
Maybe he’s done, Maybe he’s not…but if we can pay him $5M a year and have him platoon or pay Abreu (who is what 3 years younger?) $15M a year, I say save the $10M and give it to Woody and maybe go after this Hermida kid everyone likes. I don’t have all the answers, but if we want a LH run producer (who can play CF) let alone RF, they needn’t look much further then Jimmy. Its no long term solution, but then neither is Abreu.
by jbertram on Nov 3, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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