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What about Randy Johnson?

The D-Backs are apparently facing some salary constraints, and might not be willing to offer a competitive deal to RJ, who made $15 M last year.  The Cubs have strong starting pitching, but if they lose Dempster and don't trade for another starter, are they comfortable with both Marshall and Marquis in the rotation?  IMHO, Johnson could sign a one-year deal for around $8 M plus incentives for games started. 

Is the Big Unit too much of an injury risk in a rotation that already has Harden?  Would you (playing GM) rather sign  Derek Lowe for 3 years than Johnson for 1?  Would Cub fans care about Johnson approaching 300 wins, or is Wrigley going to sell out in April and May anyway? 

Stats from this year: 11-10, 3.91 ERA, 173/44 K/BB in 184 innings. 

He made only 10 appearances in 2007 with back troubles, but was quite effective and healthy in 2006. 

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one cringe in his back and he is done.

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by Chanman25 on Nov 11, 2008 9:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

...with that thinking, we never would have went after Rich Harden, no?

A one year flier for a cheap price on Johnson would be nice insurance. The man had a helluva 2nd half last season.

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by carmen_fanzone on Nov 11, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Harden is almost twenty years younger than Johnson

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by Chanman25 on Nov 11, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

with a tender arm that needs coddled....

So, what’s your point?

Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard

by carmen_fanzone on Nov 11, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, good heavens, no.

He’s 45 years old. Done and done. Forget it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 11, 2008 9:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

5-3 2.41 in 13 starts the 2nd half isn't exactly David Wells territory....

Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard

by carmen_fanzone on Nov 11, 2008 9:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose.

I’d still rather not. I don’t see the Cubs signing any big $ free agents except their own.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 11, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We'll have to see how this plays out...

but worst case scenario (i.e. no peavy, dempster leaves, we can’t land any other big name) I would be okay with Johnson on a 1 year deal.

by jbertram on Nov 11, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't think that he'd consider leaving.

He apparently hated NYC, and got back to Phoenix just as soon as he possibly could. Maybe he likes the weather.

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by D98 on Nov 11, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Al your use of the word D.O.N.E. has lost all legitimacy.

After the way you used it to describe Edmonds…..being wrong can feel so right can’t it?!

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Nov 11, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, what?

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by D98 on Nov 11, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was responding to Al, not you.

Otherwise that comment makes no sense.

Tommie Agee was out.
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by Weeghman Park on Nov 11, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was

I was just messing around with Al. I remember Al saying “Jim Edmonds was D.O.N.E.” shortly after being acquired. Now he’s saying the same thing. Just like I agreed with him then, I agree him now.

Okay big fat never mind haha.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Nov 11, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

OK, I was wrong about Edmonds. And I admitted it.

But I don’t think I’m wrong about Randy Johnson.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 11, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so either.

So I’ll say it for you….

RJ is D.O.N.E.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Nov 11, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Big Unit will never play at Wrigley

Randy Johnson has to stoop over in the dugout and clubhouse runway at Wrigley and has forever hated it. For good reason given his plethora of back issues.

He’s 6 wins away from 300 in his brilliant career. 1 World Series Championship, 5 Cy Youngs, 2 no-hitters (to include a perfect game at 40), 2nd all-time in strikeouts… What a monster he was in his prime.

McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!

by MDBNIU on Nov 11, 2008 9:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

His 6'10" frame can't handle the antiquated dugout, runway or clubhouse at Wrigley

He has said on more than one occasion that he is physically miserable when he visits Wrigley.

McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!

by MDBNIU on Nov 11, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

His 6'10" frame

Probably can’t handle alot of places…I’m pretty sure when Wrigley was constructed (as is the case today) there were not too many 6’10" ball players.

by StevenABQ on Nov 11, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I guess acquiring the Big Unit...

…would ensure that he couldn’t beat the Cubs – AGAIN. But, other than that, I see no reason to get him. To be honest, I’d love to Sean Marshall get a rotation spot, assuming he isn’t traded. More important, the thought of Randy Johnson’s shambling, lurching, mummy-like form darkening the mound at Wrigley Field – in Cubbie blue no less – makes me want to douse myself with Holy Water.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 11, 2008 9:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Marshall deserves a shot

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by Chanman25 on Nov 11, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Personally

I’d love to be able to root for him once in my life, and I think he’d be a great addition to the tail end of the rotation. Heck, why don’t we get Trevor Hoffman while we’re at it and make this our Ray Bourque year?

by JodyDavis on Nov 11, 2008 10:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why don't we just bring Sandy Koufax out of retirement?

Please. Enough of old, expensive free agents.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 11, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

This isn’t Shady Acres. The old folks home is up the street.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 11, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Making blanket statements like that is no way to go about building a team.

There is no one formula for building a team, and to say that old players are bad for business is just wrong. I’m sure you would have said the same thing about Johnson lasty offseason, only to see him pitch very well. Johnson’s ERA doesn’t even tell the whole story. He plays in a hitters ballpark and his FIP was a tidy 3.76.. It’s highly likely that he could finish next year with slightly worse but similar numbers. Even at his age he is a better pitcher than Ted Lilly and if he can be had for a one or two years at around 10 million per I would think long and hard about signing him. I realize injury factors in here but I still think he pitches at a high enough level to be an assett for any team, especially a team in win-now mode, such as the Cubs.

by dakoose on Nov 11, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Nov 12, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's never going to leave Arizona again.

RJ is coming back this year because he’s six wins away from 300. Despite what others are saying in this thread, he’s not “done” – he’s still very talented, and while he is old and has to deal with chronic injuries, he was absolutely dominant at times last year.

Still, Arizona needs him, and he needs Arizona. He’ll sign with Arizona for some bargain-basement amount, and he’ll probably set his schedule to pitch only at home, to avoid long flights. He’ll get his 300 wins, and in six years, he’ll go into the HOF as a Diamondback.

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by D98 on Nov 11, 2008 10:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I just don't think he's worth the risk

considering his chronic back problems.

Even on a one year deal, I think it is doubtful, he will pitch an entire season .

With the amount of money he wants, even for one year, I think you can find cheaper alternatives for the same production.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Nov 11, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on all of this.

In fact, like Early Wynn, he might retire right after win #300.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 11, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone wanna lay odds...

…that win No. 300 will be against the Cubs?

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 11, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, they will probably pick up Gary Sheffield

and he will get his 500th home run in the same game.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 11, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Arizona's two series vs. the Cubs in 2009...

… are April 27-28-29 in Phoenix, and October 2-3-4 (the last 3 games of the season) at Wrigley Field.

If it doesn’t happen in April, it’s not likely, as he’ll probably be retired by October.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 11, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He really should have had #300 last year.

I was tracking his season for a MLB stats / Hall of Fame blog I occasionally write – the D-Backs blew at least 6 wins for RJ in rather comical fashion.

http://www.mlbmilestone.com/2008/09/six-wins-shy.html

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by D98 on Nov 11, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, OK - I thought about actually checking the schedule but was too lazy.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 11, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we should sign Randy Johnson,

Gary Sheffield, Barry US not worth so much now Savings Bonds, Junior Griffey and Adam Dunn to one-year contracts. And try to talk Maddux out of retirement for just one more year. And change the NL rules to have a DH and an extra-hitter and a 10th fielder.

Seriously, I feel bad Mr. Johnson did not get his win this year. He certainly pitched well enough. I just hope it is NOT against the Cubs.

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 11, 2008 10:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

In the name...

of the Sweet Mother of All that is Holy and Good and Pure and Wonderful…

HELL NO!

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Nov 11, 2008 11:11 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

So you're undecided about this, huh?

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 11, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jebus Christmas...

Let’s see if we can sign Palmeiro, Sosa, Bonds, Albert Belle and Keith Hernandez while we’re at it.

I love fans who don’t bother to learn the names of any players under 28 and instead just glance at the free agent lists and say, “Hey! I hearda him!”

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Nov 11, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget Ken Griffey, Jr.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 11, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I included him already and Bonds too.

Come on Worf, did your sarcasm detector quit working or what?

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 11, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it's official. The sarcasm sign must accompany every sarcastic remark.

Either that or we must distribute copies of “Sarcasm for Idiots”. (I’m not calling you an idiot, Worf)

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 11, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I saw it...

But I thought Albert Belle and Keith Hernandez were funnier. :)

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by Worf on Nov 11, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't even think of Keith

even though we get bombarded by him in that stupid hair color for men commercial. We should make an entire team of those guys for league minimum. Joe Morgan would rather be playing anyway so he could show everyone that he is a better 2B than Ryne Sandberg.

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 11, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Reee - jected!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 11, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

your stash is trash,your game is lame—god I hate that commercial

Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!

by cubsluver22 on Nov 11, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Peavy update

Don’t want to start a fanpost on this but the latest according to Olney is that any deal for Peavy with the Padres starts with Vitters. That’s really nothing new or nothing that hasn’t been speculated. Cubs getting used as leverage for the Braves to up their offer obviously and the idea of Peavy in the CUbs rotation excites me but not for Vitters, the only legitimate position prospect the Cubs have. Time to move on.

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by lemon20pie on Nov 11, 2008 11:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

He’s good, but he’s not worth Vitters.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 11, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes he is

a 27 yr old cy young winner is not worth a “prospect”???

Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!

by cubsluver22 on Nov 11, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Unbelievable

An ace caliber Jake Peavy is not worth a 19 year old kid who has yet to play even low A ball?? I guess I should consider the source.

McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!

by MDBNIU on Nov 11, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pie, Patterson...

Save me from legitimate prospects

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by Worf on Nov 11, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Then, sir,

I shall also have to save you from Geovany Soto, Carlos Marmol, and Jeff Samardzija.

How about this –

Jacque Jones, Jeromy Burnitz…
Save me from left-handed right fielders

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 11, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You complain about the Cubs farm system...

…yet you’re willing to trade away its finest piece so you can brag about having a big name in the starting rotation. You were practically guaranteeing us a World Series championship if the Cubs got Harden. Didn’t happen. Something has got to be left for the future.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 11, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute

Do you acknowledge that the Cubs are built to win NOW? Do you also understand that Josh Vitters for all his hype has yet to play even Low A ball? At best Vitters is 3 or 4 years away from the major leagues. That’s if he doesn’t crap out along the way. Yet you wouldn’t include Josh Vitters in a deal to acquire an ace caliber Jake Peavy???

I’ve come to recognize that you and I are extreme polar opposites on just about every aspect and element of the Chicago Cubs. Oh well, I guess that’s what makes the world go around.

McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!

by MDBNIU on Nov 11, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course they're built to win now...

…which is why trading away pretty much every valuable chip in the organization for Jake Peavy is unnecessary – especially when the Cubs have other needs to fulfill.

And of course Vitters could “crap out.” That’s the nature of prospects. It’s still nice to have a really good one to look forward to. Do you really want the Cubs to turn into the Washington Nationals when this magical “win-now window” we all keep talking about finally closes?

And, actually, if you paid attention, we agree on a number of points. But I wouldn’t expect you to notice because, in your rush to repeat yourself fifty times over and state truisms as if they were revelations, you barely pay attention to what I or anyone else posts. Oh, well. I guess that’s what makes the world go around.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 11, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

pound water

sorry, got hung up on this polar opposite thing…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 11, 2008 4:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, now that you mention it...

…of the four elements – earth (sand), water, fire and air – I would probably choose water, if I had a choice.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 11, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t normally post on the trade rumor threads, since I haven’t the brain to keep track of 30 teams and their rosters…

…but NO. Seriously? The guy has been going downhill for two years.

All good things come to those who wait... and wait... and wait... and -- screw it, bring me the head of George Steinbrenner.

by znohitter on Nov 11, 2008 1:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

peavy

has been on the arguably the worst team in baseball I remind you.

Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!

by cubsluver22 on Nov 11, 2008 1:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Really?

In Peavy’s first full season, 2003, the Padres lost 98 games.

But the next four years they won 87, 82, 88 and 89 games and made the playoffs twice (and should have made it in 2007, too).

Last year they sucked again. So for four of his six full years SD has been a playoff contender.

Want to rephrase that “worst team in baseball” argument?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 11, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm saying that

because of their division. how many would they have won if they were in the east or central??

Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!

by cubsluver22 on Nov 11, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Until this year

The central was pretty much a laughingstock.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 11, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's not true.

The NL wildcard came from the Central in 2004 and 2005 when the Cardinals won the Division and the Astros won the WC.

It’s also not true that the NL West has stunk as the WC came from the West in 2006 (Dodgers) and 2007 (Rockies).

I do think the teams in the central are at a disadvantage due to the 6 teams in the division and 5 teams in the East and West. That’s never seemed fair to me.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Nov 12, 2008 12:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares how many they would have won?

They are in the division they are in.

Of course, Al’s defense makes me laugh, since I had said in another thread that we shouldn’t just assume Shark wouldn’t want to go to San Diego, and Al, among others, said the team’s not a contender!

Four of six years indicates they know a little bitty something or other.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Nov 11, 2008 1:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I was just saying

I mean hell look at the angels. they won 100 games against the m’s, a’s, and rangers. what descent team wouldnt?? the west has been a horrible division the last few years overall. some people on here(not naming any names) love to talk out both sides of their mouths.

Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!

by cubsluver22 on Nov 11, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

100 wins is 100 wins.

Oh, and FWIW, against the AL East, a tough division where four of the five teams finished over .500? The Angels went 24-13 against the East. And 3-0 vs. the WS winners, the Phillies, in interleague play.

Check your facts before you post.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 11, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh.

The team WAS a contender. That’s what cubsluver claimed — that Peavy was on bad teams. Only 2003 and last year count in that category.

Now, the point about Shark — looking to the future, SD looks like they’re going to be bad for a while, cutting payroll, etc. That’s why he wouldn’t want to go there.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 11, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the Pads.....

were and are horrible whether they were a playoff contender in a horrible division with a close to .500 avg or not. the astros were horrible this year and stayed close in the race but that doesnt make them a good team.

you put peavy on the mound at wrigley with an above avg offense, he contends for another cy young. he’s paid less than zambrano our #1 and he is better.

Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!

by cubsluver22 on Nov 11, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see how Peavy does...

on a day when the wind is blowing out.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Nov 11, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

mmm... wind blowing out...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 11, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 11, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see how Ted Lilly does...

on a day when the wind is blowing out.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 11, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 11, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that like TWSS'ing yourself?

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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 11, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

mmm... wind blowing out AND a lefty on the mound...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 11, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Since when is the baseball world supposed to revolve around Jeff Spellcheck?

Look, I like the kid a good deal. But for crying out loud why is he on the pedestal he is on? What the heck has he done to be annointed God-like status and to dictate where and when he plays? For crying out loud he is a middle reliever ! Yet he shall control our offseason manueverings?

McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!

by MDBNIU on Nov 11, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah you guys are right

jim hendry shouldnt go after a 27 yr old cy young winner who is tied up for 3yrs to come at a price cheaper than were paying big z because the wind blows out at wrigley and we need to keep our prospects for the future.

I mean since we’ve had so many cy young winners and all. pause oh I just remembered we havent had any in quite some time. Oh yeah and I highly doubt any of next years projected starters will ever win any. that jim hendry I just cant believe he would be even wasting time on such a pitcher. I mean we already have enough cy young pitching why add another? you can always have to much pitching of that caliber.

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by cubsluver22 on Nov 11, 2008 2:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I find it funny how everyone is so down on Johnson

despite the fact that at the end of the season he had a better year than Carlos Zambrano. Both had the same exact ERA and virtually the same amound of innings pitched. However, Zambrano yielded twenty-eight more walks while getting forty-three less strikeouts. Basically, everyone here is saying no to a pitcher that was better than our supposed #1 starter and the cornerstone of our franchise.

by dakoose on Nov 11, 2008 2:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

dont forget

most dont want that cy young starter jake peavy either. the wind blows out at wrigley and he might give up some hr’s. oh and and we gotta keep our prospects so that we can make a run at it in 3-4 years too.

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by cubsluver22 on Nov 11, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Johnson is a free agent.

Hendry only has to give him money, not players.

by dakoose on Nov 11, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you REALLY want to count on a pitcher

who has had at least 3 major back surgeries, 2 within the last couple of years?

It’s not just about the money to sign Johnson, but if you sign him, you are counting on him. His chronic back problems, particularly, in the last couple of years, cause major red flags.

I don’t think there’s any way you can COUNT on Randy Johnson next year.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Nov 12, 2008 12:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The way I see it,

even if Hendry loses out on Dempster he will add at least one more starter this offseason. Next year our rotation would be made up of, at worst, Carlos Zambrano, Ted Lilly, Rich Harden, Jason Marquis and Sean Marshall, and thats without improving the rotation at all. If Rich Hill is able to revert to previous form he could return the rotation as well and when he was going good he was a very good #3 type pitcher. If Hendry were to get Peavy and Johnson, the only pitcher of significance that we would lose out on is Marshall, leaving us with Chad Gaudin and possibly Jason Marquis and Rich Hill as depth for the rotation. I think that considering the insurance we have for the rotation it wouldn’t be such a big deal to bring in Johnson. Remember, he threw nearly 200 innings this past year.

by dakoose on Nov 12, 2008 8:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not down on Randy Johnson, the problem is he will never voluntarily play for the Cubs

As stated before he and his 6’10" frame to go along with balky back are miserable at Wrigley Field. He has to stoop over in the dugout, runway and clubhouse. He hates Wrigley.

McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!

by MDBNIU on Nov 11, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why didn't you mention this sooner?

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 11, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue

I was really hoping the we would sign the Big Unit. Have to settle for Z, Harden, Lilly, Demp, Peavy and Shark and Marmol and Woody and Guzman and Marshall and maybe someone else I’ve forgotten.

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 11, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am a Randy Johnson fan

That being said, I have a real problem when MLB stars play until they have to carted out of the ballpark on a gurney! RJ has had a wonderful career, and was a great story, learning how to pitch instead of just hurl the ball. I got to see him pitch 2 complete game one-hit shutouts in 1992 in the Kingdome, and I swear you could not follow the path of his pitches from 3 rows behind 3rd base.

But now father time has caught up with him, as have the ravages of throwing so hard all these years. I think he will go to the HOF whether he gets six more wins or not.

But he soes not fit on the Cubs roster, and he would be an incredible risk at his age. I am truly a Randy Johnson fan, but I would like to see him retire nicely, instead of when he is obviously washed up. I do not want to remember him as a washed up pitcher.

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by Tekboy on Nov 11, 2008 4:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I can understand sticking around another year to get to 300 wins

That is a magical number, especially in this day and age. The Big Unit is tantalizingly close. His career has been nothing short of outstanding. The most feared and dominant pitcher I have ever seen on the mound.

McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!

by MDBNIU on Nov 11, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

An injury risk, yes

Washed-up, no

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Nov 12, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Randy Johnson....

He has a great nickname, and he could be the clubhouse presence that we were missing in the post season.

Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on Nov 11, 2008 10:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He would?

I have a hard time picturing Randy as a carefree cut up. Seems like, if anything, he’d make the clubhouse more tense as his teammates worry about being pulled into his sarcophogus and having their souls devoured.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 12, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He never looks very happy when they show close ups of him in the dugout.

You never see him talking animatedly with the young pitchers like you do Maddux or Moyer. I don’t think I would like to be sitting in there with him, with him being all hunched over and pissed off at the low dugout ceilings in Wrigley.

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 12, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

With a face like his, you would think he would smile

a bit more often so he wouldn’t scare his teammates.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 12, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think carefree cut up...

is the only character type that can effect the postseason. Maybe we just need a no-nonsense creepo to just get pissed off and dominate.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Nov 12, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hm, that could be true.

I guess we shouldn’t underestimate the power of intimidation. I’m envisioning, in Game One, Randy sitting down next to Dempster in the dugout and just staring. Not saying a word. Not making any gestures. Just glaring at Ryan with those deep-set orbs of ancient evil. My guess is Demp would have thrown a no-hitter from then on out.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 12, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Orbs of ancient evil"

sounds like a playstation video game

That was the Greek name for the game of baseball when Plato invented it.

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 12, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'd love it...

Randy is the type of older player a contending club with deep pockets should try to sign to a 1 year deal

the years are the biggest risks, not the money. And big unit brings more upside than most starters on the market

I’d rather have Randy Johnson than Ryan Dempster based on the length of contract differences

by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 12, 2008 12:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'll take that as a no.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 12, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember when

I remember, I remember when I lost my mind
There was something so pleasant about that place.
Even your emotions had an echo
In so much space

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 12, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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