A Few Words On Cub Trades
In the midst of the seemingly hourly updates on a possible Jake Peavy trade (they're getting almost as tiresome as the discussion last year of the deal for Brian Roberts that never happened), I thought it would be useful to post a list of some of Jim Hendry's best deals since he became general manager in July 2002:
- December 4, 2002: sent Todd Hundley and Chad Hermansen to the Dodgers for Mark Grudzielanek and Eric Karros
- July 23, 2003: sent Jose Hernandez, Bobby Hill and Matt Bruback to the Pirates for Kenny Lofton and Aramis Ramirez
- November 25, 2003: sent Hee Seop Choi and Mike Nannini to the Marlins for Derrek Lee
- July 8, 2008: sent Eric Patterson, Sean Gallagher, Matt Murton and Josh Donaldson to the A's for Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin
Now, answer this question honestly: how many of those deals did we hear a single peep about before they happened?
The correct answer is "None", because they all seemingly happened out of nowhere, unexpected either for the player acquired (did anyone really think D-Lee was coming here? He was rumored to be headed to the Orioles, among others), or for the idea that they'd happen at all (how many of us thought Todd Hundley's deal was dumpable?). My point is this: it seems the more we hear about a potential Cub trade, the less likely it is to happen. And I suspect that's what is going on with the Peavy rumors: all smoke, no fire. Peavy will either become a Brave, or go to some other team that hasn't even meen mentioned, but not become a Cub. I believe Jim Hendry is working hard on potential deals, but this isn't one of them. (Granted, that a couple of the deals mentioned above were salary dumps, but Hendry still had to become aware of them and offer the right players, otherwise they might have gone elsewhere.)
Just before the Hendry era, remember the Fred McGriff deal? That one dragged out for three weeks before McGriff decided -- magnanimous soul that he was -- to drag himself away from his family in Tampa to help the Cubs' push to the NL Central title in 2001, which ultimately failed. McGriff's numbers were decent in Chicago, but his attitude sucked. Fortunately, the Cubs gave up very little for him (infielder Jason Smith, who has played for five teams since leaving the Cubs and has a .221 lifetime BA to show for it).
So be a little patient, at least. The open free agent season doesn't start till Friday. I have faith in Jim Hendry -- who has made many excellent moves in the last two years -- to put the right pieces on the field for 2009.
A couple of things that flew under the radar yesterday:
- Geovany Soto says Henry Blanco will be back:
Soto said he talked to Blanco recently and expects the free agent backup to return to the Cubs, who declined their $3 million option on him in hopes of re-signing him for less. "He wants 100 percent to come back and doesn't want to go nowhere [else]," Soto said.
- Guess who's interested in Bob Howry? The Giants, who have made a cottage industry out of signing the oldest players they can possibly find. The only criticism Brian Sabean probably has about Howry is that, at 35, he's not old enough for the geriatric Giants.
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wont be a cub.. (is “meen” a word?)
by ballstitch on Nov 12, 2008 8:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
no pre-trade peeps on the Harden deal?
Once the CC sweepstakes geared up, seemed like there was lots of noise about Harden as a possible plan B. Or are you not counting the BCB wonks?
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by ballhawk on Nov 12, 2008 8:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're right, there was some talk here.
But I don’t think anyone figured Billy Beane would deal him that quickly.
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by Al on Nov 12, 2008 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what still surprises me is how little we gave up for him
this deal will be a very interesting one to look at in a few years with our Hindsight 20/20 glasses on.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Nov 12, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, definitely.
I suppose it’s still possible for Gallagher to become a good solid major league starter, and maybe Donaldson will be something in a couple of years.
But Murton and Patterson are done, I think.
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by Al on Nov 12, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
done?
I don’t suppose they’ll have careers worth noting, but they’re only 27 and 25, respectively. Murton’s at least going to be league average or slightly better (at best) at age 28, dontchathink? His 2006 wasn’t exactly a slouch season for a rookie.
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by IowaCubs- on Nov 12, 2008 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yabbut...
… after being installed in Oakland’s lineup, he completely stopped hitting. I suspect his confidence is gone. At 28 he’s not even as good a hitter as Micah Hoffpauir any more.
Patterson simply is not a major league player.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 12, 2008 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Memory can be deceiving
But I remember lots of Harden to the Cubs rumors.
by Cubinator on Nov 12, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There was a lot of talk about wanting Harden here...
… from one poster in particular. But I don’t recall a lot of mass media rumors about it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 12, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Call it the BlueMike Effect. Repetition does not equal rumor.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In today's Sun Times
Gordon Wittenmayer raises some red flags about Peavy: His injury history and his home-road splits. Living in San Diego, I’ve followed him a bit more closely than Chicago fans, and I’d second that view.
Be careful what you wish for.
by Clark Addison on Nov 12, 2008 8:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
In that case, I wish for Jimmy Rollins, Grady Sizemore, and world peace...
and yes – in that order. ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Nov 12, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'd take Sizemore first.
:)
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 12, 2008 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Justin Pedroia
…screw world peace. :)
by leothelip on Nov 12, 2008 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok how bout Rollins AND world peace ?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 12, 2008 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore would be the perfect player for this team
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 12, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Grady or Ted?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 12, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How bout Tom
he was great in Saving Private Ryan
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 12, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, he has the leadership qualities you want
he’s like a Henry Blanco-type behind the plate.
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by Trey2317 on Nov 12, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How 'bout Hanley Ramirez...
…and all-out shooting war with Canada?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 12, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well then
Without the benefit of reading Wittnemayer’s article, you show me a pitcher in the major leagues that you can unequivocally state DOES NOT have a red flag or several, and I’ll show you the unicorn and Minotaur I have hiding in my garage.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Nov 12, 2008 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's Wittenmyer's article.
Relevant paragraphs:
Peavy’s history of shoulder and elbow issues (albeit, no surgery) and extra-care/rest requirements could make him a particularly tough fit for the Cubs, considering he has four years, $67 million guaranteed remaining on his contract; is expected to require full no-trade status and the $22 million option for 2013 to be picked up in order to approve the trade; and the Cubs already have similar care/rest issues with starter Rich Harden.
More than one major league talent evaluator said Peavy’s health concerns — he’s been disabled twice each for the shoulder and elbow, including once in ’08 for the elbow — should be cause for concern. Especially considering that the Padres are aggressively trying to dump his salary less than a year after extending him in a move seen as building their future around him.
Peavy’s fastball-slider repertoire puts his production at particular risk if his health declines even slightly, they say.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 12, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And in a few years the Giants might be interested in him as well
Cottage Industry?
I think it is simply modus operandi going opposite of the A’s who sell off anybody over 29 and acquire everyone under 25
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Nov 12, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My take
To me, the article fully supports a couple of things. First, Peavy’s market value isn’t nearly as high as many seem to believe. Second, and going hand in hand with the first, the Cubs aren’t going to have to trade every breathing human in their system to acquire him. One legitimate prospect and a few spare parts and Peavy lands in Chicago.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Nov 12, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy
I’d rather keep Dempster get a lesser pitcher for either a FA or less prospects to go the other way and get a better OF and/or Roberts than get Peavy.
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 12, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that Matt Murton's unicorn?
Because he really misses it.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 12, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And here's...
…the link.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 12, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
D'oh - nevermind. Should've scrolled down.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 12, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Papa Hank back...
… He’s good for 100 ab, right and he can start against lefties. It just feels good to know he’s there…
Then again, we could keep that 3 mil, use Koyie Hill as a backup and use it to sign Marte to two years at 8mil or something.
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by IowaCubs- on Nov 12, 2008 8:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, if Koyie isn't going to telegraph pitches
then maybe he’d be an option.
But I think Blanco is better as an option. He’ll probably get something closer to 2 years, $3 million total, would be my guess.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 12, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
The Cubs want him to be in the organization as a coach or minor league manager when he retires, so an extra year would be a strong incentive for him to stay.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 12, 2008 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on how he helped Soto
I’d say he’d make an excellent roving catching/defense instructor in the Cubs organization, if he didn’t want to start out as a manager in the system.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 12, 2008 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 12, 2008 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blanco is as much a coach player as any Cub
BTW, wonder if Greg Maddux is willing to start his next career as a pitching coach/bench coach.
Although I think he wants to do it in So CA
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Nov 12, 2008 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see him
working as a pitching coach for the Las Vegas 51’s – it’d be close to home – and wouldn’t be a bad place to start.
However, it’s in the Toronto organization now, and I don’t know if he’d want to work for an organization he’s never been a part of.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 12, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marte is not available.
He re-signed with the Yanks, according to este artículo en español.
No tears from me. I would hate to give up a first round draft choice for a RP.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially if the RP is Marte.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm... didn't realize he was type A
good signing by the Yankees, then.
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by IowaCubs- on Nov 12, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I hate
Fred McGriff for that reason alone. I understand that there is more to life than just playing baseball, and I won’t question anyone’s motives but this day in age (sports salaries, air travel, etc), choosing to stay on a non-2008 Tampa team instead of a Cubs team in the hunt should’ve sent up red flags.
The Cubs were 60-43 when McGriff came and ended the season 88-73. That’s 28-30 with McGriff.
Has anyone read anything about the Cubs offering Howry arbitration? He’s surprisingly a “Type A” Free Agent based on his 2007 season and the fact that the formula might skew towards appearances. Would the Cubs risk him accepting it on a one-year deal? Would it detract the Giants enough to sign him anyway? I think if the Giants got him, they’d still keep their first round pick, but they’d lose their 2nd round pick to the Cubs.
I would hope the Cubs offer him arbitration, and see if he signs elsewhere. At worst bring him to Mesa and see what’s left. Someone will always need an arm and I think he could be traded then for anything you can get.
by CubFan81 on Nov 12, 2008 9:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And then when McGriff left the Cubs...
… he signed with the Dodgers, almost as far as you can get from Tampa and still be in the major leagues.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 12, 2008 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll never forget a walkoff HR I saw by McGriff...
…at Wrigley. Can’t remember if it was 2001 or 2002, but good times.
I don’t think you can fault McGriff for his play. He had an OPS+ of 145 in 2001, and 125 in 2002. I don’t think any of us would place full blame for 2008 on Derrek Lee’s shoulders with his 110 OPS+.
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by IowaCubs- on Nov 12, 2008 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Had those same red flag thoughts about McGriff at the time, but all was forgiven...
…when he crushed one that went across Sheffield on the fly and ended up in a front yard. I snaked my arm through the wrought iron fence and grabbed the ball and a big clump of tall grass. Still have the ball – and the grass.
Got his autograph several years later, when he was trying to make a comeback with Tampa during Spring Training. 7:00 in the morning and he was in the cages, hitting a ball off a tee, then leaning over and putting another one on. Over and over. No other players, no coaches, just him for close to an hour.
I silently took back every unkind word/thought I had about him as I watched him trying to get his swing back and extend his career. It was a powerful and sobering baseball moment for me.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Nov 12, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Crime Dog...
… and was excited about him being with the Cubs. However, the way he came over kinda left me scratching my head. Though, he never seemed comfortable being with the Cubs, his numbers were pretty good. Hard to argue about a guy who hit 30 HRs and drive in a 100 RBI’s. Still, I wish things went better while he was there.
I was wondering if everybody was so used to have Mark Grace at 1st base for so long… it just became hard to accept somebody permanent at that position after the way Grace left. I have no idea though… just a thought.
by TheHawkRules on Nov 12, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
San Francisco could be good for Howry
With the larger park, some of the bombs he gave up last year might be caught…
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by Trey2317 on Nov 12, 2008 9:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's not that much larger a park, though it is pitcher friendly.
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by Al on Nov 12, 2008 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bob needs a pitcher-friendly park
Though if he returned, Lou could just pitch him on the days the wind was blowing in at over 10 mph.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 12, 2008 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So Howry could pitch in April and early May...
… and then, having done well in the cold weather, could be traded to a team that doesn’t know about that?
Works for me.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 12, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except that he is a notoriously slow starter. So he sucks when the hitting
conditions are poor. What an enigma. You figure it out.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 12, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade him the last week of March
before he can actually hurt the team, should he start slow. Find a team with bullpen needs (hello, Detroit), and peddle him there.
And now that I think about it, if Howry took arbitration or re-signed, packaging him and Hoffpauir to Detroit for anything might not be a bad idea.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 12, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 12, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if Detroit would throw in the yellow balls...
but I think I’d make that trade.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 12, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If those...
are anything like the yellow snow, we probably don’t want them anyway.
by CubFan81 on Nov 12, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying so hard...
…to work a Moises Alou joke in here and I just can’t quite get there.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 12, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just be sure and tell him....
……that if someone hits it to that big Coca-Cola glove in LF, it’s not an “out”. :)
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by carmen_fanzone on Nov 12, 2008 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hank White coming back?
Best news of the week! I’ve got a fever and the only prescription is more Hank White.
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by cubswynn on Nov 12, 2008 9:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
With Salomon Torres retiring yesterday...
…..who’s the Brewers closer now? Kind of a shocker there.
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by carmen_fanzone on Nov 12, 2008 9:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers could sign Trevor Hoffman...
… that seems a possibility, while they figure out what to do past 2009.
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by Al on Nov 12, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Though I think his ship has sailed
Derrek Turnbow is still in their system. The schadenfreude-ist in me would delight in that.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 12, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what happened to Gagme?
did I miss something?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 12, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He signed a 1 year deal so he's a free agent.
Type B status, I believe.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 12, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
B for Bad
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 12, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Though for purely selfish reasons...
…I’d love to see Gagne resigned as the Brewer’s closer.
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by bobby h on Nov 12, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone heard any sort of update on Gaudin?
I’ve searched around and find nothing wrt if he is fully recovered from his unfortunate encounter with the dumpster. When that deal first happened I thought we really came out ahead getting both those guys but if he never plays again then maybe it was a wash. I think we will be glad we have Harden in 2009 in any event.
Tommie Agee was out.
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by Weeghman Park on Nov 12, 2008 9:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haven't heard anything.
I suspect he’ll be fine for spring training, though.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 12, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as he stays away from aggressive dumpsters
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 12, 2008 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gaudin gave an interview on XM earlier this week
after Geo won the ROY. The interview was mostly about Geo and also about Gaudin’s transition from Oakland to Chicago during the season. I don’t recall Gaudin being was asked about his injury.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 12, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO HERMIDA PLEASE
I live in FL most of the year and watch a lot of Marlin games….. Hermida has a whole in his swing can’t handle high heat…. inconsistent and not that good when you need him
to step up….. he is a small step up from Corey P. I don’t know what the Marlins would
do with Pie now that they have Maybin from the Cabbrea trade with the Tigers……
We should have grabbed Scott Olsen the Nats …. Stole him………………
by nimblenikelfoos on Nov 12, 2008 9:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
With the exception of the Harden trade, which there was some buzzing about, all of those trades happened 5+ years ago. I’d argue that now, with blogs and extreme competition between networks to “out-scoop” each other, there’s way more information ahead of time about trades than ever before.
Not to mention that these are completely different teams we’re talking about. Towers is infamously loose-lipped, it shouldn’t be surprising that this is a more public debacle than we’re used to. My take: he’s trying to use the press to leverage the Braves into giving up more players, and the Cubs are just in it as a decoy.
by Wreckard on Nov 12, 2008 9:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think you have it scoped out right about the Peavy deal.
Your point about more discussion/more info being around now is also true. Nevertheless, the Harden deal still happened pretty darn fast, without days or weeks of back-and-forth.
I’d love to see Hendry make a positive trade for the team that surprises us.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 12, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to see Hendry make a positive trade for the team that surprises us
+1
(and I betcha he does)
by leothelip on Nov 12, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I should add
I do think the Cubs interest is genuine. I’m just not sure I believe Towers’ is.
by Wreckard on Nov 12, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah -
Hendry is good at being tight-lipped sometimes. And I expect we’re going to see some surprises this off-season.
There are trades, though, about which one team wants a lot of information out on. The Patterson and Sosa trades took forever and there was a lot of articles written on them.
In this case, Towers wants his fans to know that he’s trying to get as much as he can for Peavy. He wants SD fans to see how Peavy’s holding the “brake” on the train. That’s why there was so much info before, but you’ll note there really hasn’t been anything new for the last 5 days. The “new” news has been “The Braves are getting impatient… again.”
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
…when the Cubs released the tape of Sammy leaving the park, that let the cat out of the bag on the Sosa trade. IMO, it was done for one main purpose – to get public buy in that their big homerun hitter needed to go.
This situation from San Diego is fairly clear; the owner needs to slash payroll and Peavy WILL be traded somewhere very soon. I still would think the Braves are in the lead, unless this third team can add something the Pads like more.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 12, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The third team.
There are a ton of ways Hendry can go on the third team, too. As long as the Braves leave Hanson out, Hendry really could go a number of ways on this third team, especially because I believe Mark DeRosa will have a good bit of trade value to teams that may have things the Padres would like.
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by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
…it all comes down to what teams are willing to give up to make this happen. The third team thing makes it a little more complex, but certainly doable if the right players can be moved.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 12, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DGU
Would you be willing to trade DeRo to the Twins for a pitching prospect that was acceptable to the Padres if the consequences were:
1. Cubs get Peavy for Pie, Vitters, Cedeño, and (effectively) DeRo.
2. Cubs re-sign Demp and Wood.
3. Cubs cannot afford Hudson or Furcal.
4. Cubs don’t have the chips for Roberts.
5. Cubs can’t afford a top FA OF and settle for Kotsay.
6. Cubs sign Punto and have some combination of Cajuns and Punto in the MI.
7. Marquis’ salary is dumped for a C-level prospect.
Does Peavy make the Cubs better even giving up the other (potential) pieces?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot to give up...
…and if Hendry did that (with the circumstances you have), it would signal the Cubs have made a decision to go in the direction of relying on pitching, defense and speed. Considering Wrigley plays big more often than it plays small, it may not be a bad direction, but I think you would need to some how upgrade the defense at SS.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 12, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that scenarios like this are why I'm not in favor of the Peavy trade.
If we re-sign Demp (at market value), we aren’t out any players and we still have one of the better rotations in the NL (Z, Demp, Lilly, Harden, #5). We can still afford to dump Marquis’ salary, if needed, and use Marshall as the #5 with Gaudin as Harden’s bullpen caddy.
If we fail to sign a good FA LHB OF, we would still have our trade chips available. The same would be true for Roberts, though I think he will sign an extension and be unavailable.
Depending on the money, Furcal could still be considered. As important as pitching is, you do have to score some runs to win.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
…if you can resign Dempster and the staff next year can stay relatively healthy, success will depend on a balanced offense and defense.
The other question is this; there is a real possibility Hendry will not be able to address all the needs before the season starts (at least with quality players). In that case, which of the needs could you possibly live without, and possibly address it at the trading deadline?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 12, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hermida's off the market, Beinfest said.
So, who do we want to trade for if not Peavy? That’s my question. If I could get a real SS, I’d do that, but I don’t think one is available.
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by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We could try for Khalil Greene in a separate deal.
I still think he is a great “change of scenery” candidate. I’m guessing that the Dads would want a decent pitching prospect (Hart?) and a replacement (Riot or Ronny). I’ve always liked Greene’s glove; his bat is obviously a big question, but escaping Petco would give him a fresh start. If he bombs, the Cubs can just let him walk after 2009. It doesn’t provide a LHB or a leadoff batter.
Also, Kelly Johnson may be available if the Braves don’t trade Escobar — and maybe even if they do. He is a LHB, but doesn’t have power or leadoff ability. He can play OF. The problem is that the Braves are looking for SP, a COF bat (preferably RH), and prospects. We don’t match up very well.
I’m not a big Carl Crawford fan, but he might be available.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah - see none of those players
have the impact that Peavy has. I’d rather use the trade chips up on the highest-impact player possible and use the FA market to fill in the other holes.
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by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I could convince myself
that Peavy would definitely stay healthier than Demp in the next 5 years, I would agree with you. But…
Nagging elbow soreness is often the precursor to TJ surgery. (See Hudson, Tim and Smoltz, John) I’m worried that Peavy is going down that road within two years. He has had previous DL stints due to elbow soreness.
Demp has already traveled that path (and met “conditioning Jesus”), so my feeling is that he is more likely to stay healthy (barring a freak thing like being hit with a line drive) for a 5 year period than Peavy is.
The worst thing that could happen with our trade chips — other than Pie — is that we keep them and fill in our needs during the season as they become more apparent. Pie has to be traded because he is out of options and won’t get a fair chance as long as Lou is the manager.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Demp is probably more likely to stay healthy, but
he’s also more likely to be a 4.50 ERA pitcher. I’d rather take the risk of unhealth in the younger arm.
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by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is more valuable?
1. A guy who takes the ball 32 times and posts a 4.50 ERA.
or
2. A guy who spends the entire season on the DL.
Depending on how backloaded Demp’s contract would be, he would still have value in the 4th or 5th year to a contending team at the deadline even if the Cubs magically produce a “young guns” rotation that is better than him.
Broken down pitchers are worthless.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although I think it is
unfair to claim that anyone Hendry targeted would “spend the entire season on the DL.”
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 12, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I posted this elsewhere...
I think that Peavy is a walking candidate for TJ surgery based on his past elbow problems and his repertoire. That is why I made the “entire season on the DL” choice. I doubt that it will be in 2009 — more like 2011 — but I think it is inevitable over the 5 year life of his contract.
I just don’t feel the same way about Demp injury-wise. If I knew that Peavy would remain healthy, I would take him over Demp in a heartbeat.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is more valuable to the Cubs?
1) A guy who takes the ball 32 times and posts a 4.50 ERA.
or
2) A guy who gives you 4 starts in the regular season and 4 starts in the post-season, for a total ERA of 2.50?
With our current roster, I’ll take #2 every time and twice in the post-season.
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by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
with one starting pitcher making
only four starts in a 162 game season, how does that help you GET to the playoffs?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 13, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's say you have a ballclub that wins 97 games in the regular season
and ZERO games in two post-seasons running.
Would you say this club needs more help getting to the post-season or help winning in the post-season?
We have the pitching depth to get to the post-season; we shouldn’t be scared off by injury risk from high-ceiling pitchers who can win in the post-season.
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by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with that
but I don’t think that any pitcher who only goes four starts in a season is going to bring that much zest to the post.
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by drewishdrewid on Nov 13, 2008 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Crawford
but I don’t know if he can play CF or if the Cubs have the prospects to get him.
Another Tampa possibility would be Rocco Baldelli – given his mitochondrial disease, it’s a gamble, but he could play any OF spot and hit for power if he’s able to stay healthy and play on a daily basis (or 4-5 times a week).
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by Trey2317 on Nov 12, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford basically refused to play CF in TB.
That is why they tried Upton out there after Baldelli’s problems started. He is really a LF defensively and a CF offensively. I believe that Sori would move to RF if asked, but I’m not sure that Crawford is worth it.
Baldelli is a FA, so it wouldn’t cost any prospects, but I can’t imagine him signing with an NL team. He has said that he had trouble making it through a game in RF during the playoffs after a week off — I can’t imagine him playing 2 days in a row. I sadly think that his career is confined to the DH role unless doctors find a cure for his disease.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I think, too, on Baldelli
He’s basically stuck because of his disease, but he’s said to be seeing more specialists this off-season, so if he comes across something that would allow him to limit the effects of the disease, he could be a low-cost, low-risk, high-reward type player.
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by Trey2317 on Nov 12, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
But I don’t think
1) you need to include Vitters in the three-team deal; if you did, Towers wouldn’t have said there were 1-on-1 deals that were workable to him.
3 & 5) that the Cubs won’t be able to afford their other needs just by getting Peavy. In fact, Peavy should be less expensive by $$$ than other top pitchers, including Dempster.
On the other hand, I don’t mind
2) re-signing Demp and Wood if the prices are right
4) not having the chips to sit at the table to waste time not getting Roberts again
6) throwing Punto into a middle IF mix
7) dumping Marquis
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by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In my scenario, the Cubs are paying Peavy, Demp, and Woody.
That’s why I said that they couldn’t afford Hudson or Furcal.
If you trade for Peavy and the Braves sign Demp, then you do have Demp’s money for Furcal.
I think that Towers will want Pie, Vitters and DeRo’s SP prospect minimum. He might convince Hendry to throw in Cedeño (who is arb-eligible and in Lou’s doghouse) to make the Cubs’ deal look better than the Braves’. The Braves are effectively offering 3 A-level prospects (Escobar, Hernandez, and Reyes/Morton).
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Towers, who has said he wants pitching, pitching, pitching
would take a foreign pitching prospect, plus Marshall, plus Atkins, plus Pie, plus Cedeno.
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by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You might be correct.
That would give him 1 young ML pitcher and 2 pitching prospects. At that rate, he probably wouldn’t demand Vitters. That is an awful lot for the Cubs to give up, though.
From the Cubs’ 2009 perspective, they are giving up Marshall, DeRo, and Cedeño for Peavy. Peavy replaces Marshall and Cedeño is a fairly easily replaced utility guy. The $64,000 question: Will Peavy add more than DeRo will subtract?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking, in a 3 way deal,
Vitters would go to the mystery 3rd team and pitching prospect(s) from the mystery team along with Cedeno and Pie (or some other combination of prospects) would go to San Diego, Peavy would go to the Cubs.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 12, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would advocate signing Punto
he’d be a solid backup infielder at 3 positions, and should DeRosa get traded, could play 2B.
Plus, he’s a ‘piranha’ and anyone who grates on Ozzie is good with me.
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by Trey2317 on Nov 12, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Punto = Neifi
pass
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by IowaCubs- on Nov 12, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neifi was an excellent backup IF.
He was a lousy everyday player, but that was Dusty’s fault, not Neifi’s.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neifi was a more than serviceable starter early in his career.
Just to set the record straight. Neifi never played for Dusty until he did when both were with the Cubs.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Nov 12, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neifi wasn't an excellent anything during his time with the Cubs.
by kanderber on Nov 12, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neifi did a fine job filling in at 3rd when needed.
He never had much of a bat.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Nov 12, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neifi Perez sucked.
He is literally one of the worst players to have ever played the game.
by kanderber on Nov 12, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
He had over 5000 AB’s and a .267 lifetime BA. There are many players who did not come close to that. Perez even hit .274 for the Cubs in 572 AB’s in 2005.
Dusty overused him but saying he was one of the worst players to ever play is ridiculous.
by rlpete on Nov 12, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kid: Mortal Kombat, on Sega Genesis, is the best video game ever.
Billy Madison: I disagree, it’s a very good game, but i think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.
Kid: Donkey Kong sucks.
Billy Madison: You know something? YOU SUCK!
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 12, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perez
He was good when used properly which is a 4th or 5th infielder.
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 12, 2008 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neifi is perhaps one of the worst Cubs to ever wear a uniform.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 12, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on now,
you need to get off the fence and tell us how you really feel.
Worst ever? Maybe.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 12, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I love it.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 12, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Mell Hall?
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 12, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mel Hall was a decent player.
What was so bad about him?
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by Al on Nov 12, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
n/t
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 12, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess nothing if child molesting is OK
I think he might be in prison now. I was just trying to think of someone off the top of my head who was bad and he was the first one, like a Rorshak (sp) test.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 12, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i was just reitterating what so many said
in that post about most hated cubs
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 12, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps you mean Mel Rojas?
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 12, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd vote for that.
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by Al on Nov 12, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mel Rojas + These Jerseys= FAIL

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 12, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a backup, Punto would be fine.
If someone did get moved, he could slide in as part of a platoon. I think he’d work out better than Neifi.
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by Trey2317 on Nov 12, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Deep goat
Have you talked to deep goat lately?
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 12, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Deep goat?
Who/what is a deep goat?
by kanderber on Nov 12, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al's source of inside information
Name is a combination of “Deep Throat” of the Watergate scandal and the infamous “1945 Billy Goat getting kicked out of Wrigley” myth.
At least that is what I have always assumed, Al.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 12, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
He/she/it is referred to as deep goat? Alrighty!
by kanderber on Nov 12, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My source...
… was named Deep Goat by a friend of mine, who is a very occasional poster here. I thought it was perfect. And Weeghman Park is exactly right about the source of the name.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 12, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al, you pegged correct
Smoke screens are part of the whole picture.
But what is clear is LF handed bats, lead off bat and possibly another starter.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Nov 12, 2008 10:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Could this whole Peavy deal be a possible coverup of another deal being made?
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by Chanman25 on Nov 12, 2008 10:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Difference being...
that every report has indicated the Cubs interest, and that Peavy is almost a lock to be moved. Seems arrogant to simply dismiss the deal due to a small handful of past Cubs trades. Ultimately, I agree with you that Peavy will end up with the Braves. Yet, given Peavy’s odd quotes about being on a contender, I would almost guarantee him to become a Cub if the Cubs had a few more tradeable parts in the minors. A third team makes things much more difficult.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 12, 2008 10:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I love that Geo says
Henry will be back. I want to see Howry in anything but a Cubs uniform.
by sue369 on Nov 12, 2008 10:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Could we send Howry to Japan and get our money back for Dome?
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 12, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm willing
to give Dome a second chance.
by sue369 on Nov 12, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
just trying to think outside the box. I think Lou is going to give him every chance to adjust and succeed.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 12, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exchanging Peavy for Dempster is bonkers
I don’t get it. If the price of getting Peavy is letting Dempster go I’m at a loss. Who the heck wants a rotation built around guys that can only go 6 innings? Harden and Peavy are 6 inning pitchers at this point in their career, and Zambrano is more often than not a guy in the 6-7 inning range as well. We had one horse last year who consistently went deep in games and his name was Dempster. This move is just ridiculous. We desperately needed brian roberts last year and we desperately need him again this year. That should be the move the Cubs are focused on.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Nov 12, 2008 10:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Reports have said the Cubs might
get Peavy AND Dempster.
The Cubs won’t need Roberts when they get Furcal.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe that.
I’m thinking it’s Dempster, and none of the rest.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 12, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think they sign Dempster and add a lesser known player to try and add some athleticism and a LH power bat. Not a real big name, but someone who has the potential to contribute. In other words, someone cheap.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 12, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, because focusing on that deal has gotten the Cubs so far...
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 12, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how many innings
per game does Brian Roberts pitch?
We have a second-baseman.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 12, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We have several, actually.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 12, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We could un-retire Doug Dascenzo, right?
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by IowaCubs- on Nov 12, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding Roberts
Yes, he doesn’t pitch, thanks for that tip. I personally don’t think, assuming we keep Dempster, we have a desperate need to get another SP. What we do have a desperate need for is a leadoff hitter and a left-handed hitter who can get on base. Dome is clearly neither of those things. Neither is Soriano in my opinion. This team will never win a WS with Soriano batting leadoff. Fact.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Nov 12, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where would Roberts play?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He would play leadoff...
…and obviously 2nd base.
We will know in the next few weeks if he will be on the market, because he may say no thanks to the extension and then the O’s would have to move him – we don’t know.
DeRosa is not my first choice to trade, but if it improves the club why not. I would rather trade either Lee, Ramirez or Soriano (if it meant adding a top flight power LH bat) and keeping DeRosa and moving him to 3rd.
This is why this Peavy thing is intriguing as to how hard Hendry appears to be going after him and needing to trade a bunch of pieces he may need for other parts. Either Hendry is pulling a big bluff with this, or there is something else up his sleeve that is not obvious – either knowing he will have more money than we anticipate, or him knowing one of his core expensive players is going to be moved. If it turns out that Peavy and Dempster are his two big moves, than you are looking at Fukudome being in RF, Johnson/Pie in CF and the club looking to win in the cold weather months with more speed, pitching and defense. At the trade deadline, they could look to add parts to get them over the hump.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 12, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My feeling is that if the Cubs somehow get Roberts, they have to trade DeRo.
They won’t trade Ramy or DLee; both have NTCs. Lou has steadfastly refused to play DeRo at SS, probably fearful of discovering that DeRo is a better SS than Riot. Moving DeRo to the OF negates the ability to add a LH power bat, so that isn’t likely.
Question: is one year of Roberts worth the difference between the prospects you give up to get him and the prospects you get for DeRo?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If it gets your over the hump...
…yes, it is worth it. But, if they make a move for Roberts, I would look at the possibility of him agreeing to an extension before the trade is made.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 12, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really believe that Angelos would do that
when the Indians, Dodgers, Mets, ChiSox, and Snakes might also be interested?
Do you want to invest in a player who is on the dark side of 30 and whose legs are his main asset? He seems to be healthy right now, but one leg injury to a past-30 base-stealer can often start a precipitous decline in value.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends what teams...
…are willing to give up to get him. True leadoff hitters are very hard to come by and can be extremely valuable on the right club. Roberts could have another 3-4 good years left in the tank and clubs will value him pretty high.
If he tells the O’s no thanks, he is basically saying I want to be traded, so we’ll see what happens.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 12, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JMO
I think he signs the extension. Angelos will probably overpay him vs. his value on next year’s economically depressed FA market, and he won’t have to worry about injuries.
If he doesn’t sign… Methinks that Angelos will regard that as a personal affront, and will trade him to the baseball equivalent of purgatory — the M’s, Giants, Royals, etc. — the worst place to play that will take him. That way, he will be miserable for a year, then be a FA.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly possible...
…and I wouldn’t put that past Angelos.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 12, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know this has been done before
but have you checked Brian Roberts’ 2008 stats against DeRosa’s 2008 stats?
I don’t think Roberts improves this team, and I think losing DeRosa definitely hurts.
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by drewishdrewid on Nov 12, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
The only thing Roberts brings to the table that DeRo doesn’t is baserunning speed. And that’s one of the first things to go… not that I’d expect it this year, but in a couple of years he won’t have it any more.
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by Al on Nov 12, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Different players...
…Roberts adds a LH bat, adds the stolen base as a weapon and probably upgrades your defense a tad, so I think the difference is in what they bring to the table and what the team is lacking the most of.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 12, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on the LH bat as well as the speed.
DeRosa gives you some defensive versatility by being able to play several positions.
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by Al on Nov 12, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy seems like a much better pitcher than Dempster.
That’s why the Cubs would be foolish, IMO, to favor keeping Dempster instead of getting Peavy.
BTW, I do not know whether these are official stats or even correct, and my eye sight could be terrible, but according to the 2008 Gamelog on ESPN, Dempster went 6 innings OR LESS in 58% of his starts. Whereas Peavy went 6 innings or less in 48% of his starts.
Peavy was hurt and missed several starts, but Dempster has been injured in his career, too, and he’s a good 3-4 years older.
Not just because of what I have cited above, but for more other reasons I’d take Peavy over Dempster.
by DudeVf11 on Nov 12, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the argument that dempster is better than peavey
(or harden) b/c of how deep they go in games is ridiculous. No pitcher (besides the over-used sabbathia) goes deep into games anymore. Dempster pitched more than 7 innings (in a career year) 5 times last year(and one was 7.1). Peavey? 4 times. over 6 innings: dempster:12, peavey:13. Keep in mind, that’s in a ridiculously good year for dempster, and one of peavey’s worst. Can we please stop the whole “but he’ll tax the bullpen” thing? Last I checked, Bob Gibson ain’t available.
by doug dascenzo's change-up on Nov 13, 2008 1:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sites like these are more prevalent now than when those early trades were made
I think that plays into all of the hype and speculation regarding potential trades, b/c every team has multiple blogs, with thousands of readers with thousand of opinions and people who claim to have “inside sources”
So people flock to these sites to get in on the action, and pretty soon, reputable news sources partake in the rumor mongoring, so its self perpetuating….but its fun to speculate, so I dont see the harm.
For all we know, the Cubs might have very well had a deal for Roberts last year, but it couldve been nixed at the 11th hour by Angelos
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 12, 2008 10:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It probably was.
Which is another reason to steer clear.
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by Al on Nov 12, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Crasnick connects Cubs to Ben Sheets
if the Cubs lose out on Peavy or Dempster “or both”.
If Sheets is in on a 2-year deal, I think I may prefer him to both Peavy and Dempster.
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by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 11:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd say he "speculates about" rather than "connects."
The mention of the Cubs is all of one sentence. I’m still betting Sheets ends up in Houston.
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by dat cubfan daver on Nov 12, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure.
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by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't want both...
…Sheets and Harden in the same rotation. One iffy health guy is enouph, but two can really drag you down if things don’t go well. We have seen this already with Wood and Prior.
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by MPH73 on Nov 12, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had the same thought.
And I hate to even mention it, but imagine if Z runs into similiar problems next season. It could be ’06 all over again.
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by dat cubfan daver on Nov 12, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm bullish on Sheets' health going forward.
It took him a bit to readjust to the muscle re-alignment, but I think he may be coming out of the woods. I know, I know – I’m liable to being really, really wrong on this.
And I totally agree in principle. If the Cubs have Marshall, Gaudin, and Samardzija all in their ’pen, though, I can take a rotation with some question marks.
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by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
We went through that injury thing with Wood and Prior, and to a lesser extent with Harden. I’m sick of it, frankly.
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by Al on Nov 12, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly understand that perspective.
We have a lot more pitching depth now than we did during some of the Prior/Wood years. That’s the big difference here (but also something that is at risk with certain variations on a Peavy trade).
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by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's more than just the injury risk...
… it’s the $67 million we’d be on the hook for.
I remember two years ago when so many BCB’ers were hot after the Cubs to sign Jason Schmidt. I issued the same warnings about his injury history that some are making now about Peavy.
I’m guessing you’re glad Schmidt is a Dodger.
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by Al on Nov 12, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How much do you think we'll be on the hook for with Dempster?
Dempster will be nearly as expensive, I expect.
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by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think not, because Dempster is likely to give a hometown discount.
Plus, he costs no players from the farm system, who could be used in other deals.
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by Al on Nov 13, 2008 4:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But Peavy gave a hometown discount to the Padres.
Do you expect Demp to give two or three hometown discounts?
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by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 7:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean "two or three"?
It’s ONE contract.
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by Al on Nov 13, 2008 9:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
two or three times the discount
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by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Curt Schilling?
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by IowaCubs- on Nov 12, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the question is
who is an old me first blow hard, that would be the answer.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 12, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A legend in his own mind.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 12, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pwn
he loves WOW
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 12, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be Bravo.
Sorry, I’m busy painting magic marker on my sock so I look scrappy.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 12, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One small correction
The Ramirez trade in 2003 was in the rumor mill about a week before it happened. I remember hearing it on being talked about while getting ready to go to Trixiecamp which would have been July 16th,
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 12, 2008 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This just in:
Lou Piniella was named manager of the year for the NL. Joe Madddon for the AL.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 12, 2008 1:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Let me throw a new name into the trade ring: David Murphy
First of all, I’m not sure that he is available, but the Rangers have a glut of OFs.
He is a LHB, and was a 1st round pick by the BoSox in 2003. He was blocked, and didn’t emerge until the Sox traded him to the Rangers.
He has a better than passable CF glove (certainly good enough for Wrigley) and some power (28 2Bs and 15 HRs in 415 ABs). His BB/K rate was not good, but 2008 was his first year of regular playing time. I don’t think he is a leadoff batter, and probably isn’t ready for #5, but might make a good #6 hitter with some room to grow. In limited action, he has held his own against LHP.
The Rangers are always looking for pitching; would they be interested in Sean Marshall?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 12, 2008 2:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
David Murphy actually is not a bad idea...
Texas has screaming need for pitching. Maybe we can package Sean Marshall and Jose Ceda??
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 12, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
see you bobby
don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Nov 12, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cruel
Howry gave the Cubs 2 very good years before failing last season. I don’t want to see him return but I respect the years he gave the team.
by rlpete on Nov 12, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You respect Howry and Neifi...
Bold strategy…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 12, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Howry did have some decent runs..
Neifi…uhh…tried hard.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 12, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Giles
If Giles comes with Peavy (yeah, it’s unlikely), is it worth adding Vitters?
by Seamer on Nov 12, 2008 3:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Let me say it again now.
Brian Giles will never approve a trade anywhere.
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by Al on Nov 12, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you a Big Gulp
that Brian Giles will be traded in 2009, whether in the off-season or at the trading deadline.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 13, 2008 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're on.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 4:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pshhh why not Tom Glavine???
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by Chanman25 on Nov 12, 2008 3:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Whitey Ford
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 12, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tom Seaver AND Nolan Ryan
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by Chanman25 on Nov 12, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don Drysdale and Fergie Jenkins.
Tommie Agee was out.
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by Weeghman Park on Nov 12, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Gibson and Denny McClain
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 12, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Grover Cleaveland Alexander and Cy Young
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 12, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Remlinger and John Rocker
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by Chanman25 on Nov 12, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mordecai Brown and Harry Simmons
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 12, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 12, 2008 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice 'stache.
God it would suck to finally make it to the major leagues and end up playing for a team called “Blue Jays”.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 12, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know we are all concerned about durability.
And I have the perfect solution. Sign Will White. There is no denying this workhorse…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 12, 2008 4:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Christ!
75 starts and 680 innings?!??! that’s gotta be a record
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by Chanman25 on Nov 12, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude. 1879- 75 GS, 75 CG.
Baller status.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 12, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha that was half a season in those days!
Died relatively young though, in his 60s
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by Chanman25 on Nov 12, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy is going to Atlanta, it's just a matter of when
Frank Wren and Kevin Towers are the main dance partners. Jim Hendry doesn’t have a real shot of cutting in. Besides the only reason he is trying to cut in is to make his date Ryan Dempster jealous.
I’m done talking Peavy to the Cubs. It simply is not going to happen. But DGU, don’t stop with the updates on how Atlanta is impatient. That’s good stuff.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 12, 2008 4:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good to hear you're done talking about Peavy.
Now we won’t have to read your same post over and over and over and over…………
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 12, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please apologize
Please apologize for the mental image I just had of Towers and Wren and Hendry dancing together.
Ewwww
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 12, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The newest report is...
that Atlanta has actually become impatient with bloggers at BCB.
Frank Wren was quoted as saying, "That MDBNIU really knows what he’s talking about. Jim Hendry should just bow out while he still has some dignity. As for DGU, I’m tired of his posts contradicting MDBNIU’s claims saying this thing will drag on and the Yankees will be involved.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 12, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Frank knows talent when he sees it
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 12, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When contacted for comment, MDBNIU said, "Amen brother!"
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When contacted for comment, Jim Hendry said,
I never make any decision without first consulting the experts at BCB. They really have their fingers on the pulse of all that is holy and righteous in MLB. In a way I feel guilty even accepting my salary here because the fine folks at BCB do all the work for me.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so, that lasted what, about 16 hours?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 13, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But what a glorious 16 hours it was.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember
children dancing.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 13, 2008 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought the Nomar deal was Jim's best
It didn’t ultimately work out, but at the time, it was a killer, killer deal.
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by AceCubbie on Nov 12, 2008 8:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Had the Cubs won in '04 it would have been hailed as one of the best in Cub history.
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by Al on Nov 12, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And hey, if nothing else
It helped us get Rich Harden.
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by AceCubbie on Nov 13, 2008 6:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were GM
I wouldn’t trade for Peavy and I wouldn’t resign Dempster. I’d just sign Jacques Jones for the money we would’ve used on Demp, and then see if he can play RF and pitch at the same time.
I see no downside to this plan.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 12, 2008 11:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That sinker is a killer
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 12:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except that it'd be thrown into the ground 10 feet in front of the plate.
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by Al on Nov 13, 2008 4:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Micah Hoffpauir would swing at that.
why not everyone else?
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by drewishdrewid on Nov 13, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He might always get lucky and hit it on the bounce
and hope the umpire didn’t notice
Tommie Agee was out.
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by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he has a future in cricket.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 13, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would it matter if the umpires notice or not?
Hitting pitches that bounce in front of the plate is perfectly legal.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 13, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought once they hit the ground the ball was out of play.
Wow, 7 years of college, wasted.
Tommie Agee was out.
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by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If a pitch bounces in front of the plate, it cannot be a strike unless the batter swings.
(A pitcher can’t throw a pitch designed to bounce up above a batter’s knees as it crosses the plate.)
However, if a batter swings at a pitch that bounces (in front of, on, beside, or behind the plate) and he makes contact, the ball is in play. If he doesn’t make contact, it’s a strike.
The only guy I ever saw actually do this was Manny Sanguillen.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 13, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He of the sitting down all the way on your butt catcher
you’re probably right. No one else would be that in tune with 55 foot changeups.
Tommie Agee was out.
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by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sanguillen was, by far, the best bad-ball hitter I've ever seen.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 13, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
closest thing now is the other Manny
Ramirez
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Confirm sarcasm, please.
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by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. Serious.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 13, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm confirmed :)
Ha. I assumed it was obvious. There’s no way one could be serious about that…unless we also got Antonia “6-Shooter” Alfonseca in the deal,…
I do have to say that I never really despised Jacque Jones in the way some people did. But I don’t miss him and his fragile disposition (by that I mean his insecurity; not that he was pregnant :))
by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 13, 2008 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is nothing compared to that Brian Roberts trade rumor
This one has only been going on for two weeks, the Roberts one I believe started in late December and wasn’t declared dead until March. That was an AWFUL long time
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 6:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, just you wait.
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by Al on Nov 13, 2008 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the last time I checked, the BRob rumor STILL wasn't dead.
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by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this could be the year!
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by drewishdrewid on Nov 13, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some one should put a sign up next to the AC sign
A BR sign – “Before Roberts”
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, people might get frustrated with that offer
especially when the braves come in town
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling that we will see either Bobby Abreu or Adam Dunn next season
They both can play RF, LHB that Lou wants, and can hit a good number of HRS. I’d prefer neither, but I have a hunch
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 9:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Another Cub Trade
Well Woody could be moving on as the Cubs aquired Kevin Gregg from the Marlins today. This could be paving the way to a Peavy trade or more likely Marmol or Sarz into the closers role.
Matt
by ottawacubbie on Nov 13, 2008 3:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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