Can You Stand Another Peavy Update?

Lol this could finally be over

I don’t even care that he goes to the Braves, just end this talk so that we can move on with real offseason plans. If he rejects a trade to the Braves and they have to move him to the Cubs, this might never end.

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by nji232 on Nov 12, 2008 11:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I ageree

Because people are going to talk about well hes going to the cubs. Especially when the reports keep saying that there might be a 3rd team that would be part of the trade.

by cubs1201 on Nov 12, 2008 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ugh, gotta feel for the Padres

Atlanta was the favorite all the way, but still, that isn’t that appealing of a package. Blaine Boyer and Charlie Morton? Maybe I’m more down on those two arms than others, but I don’t see Morton as anything more than a mid-end of the rotation type, and Boyer I think is a setup arm, not a closer. That said, it was always going to be tough for us to top a package from the Braves. Yunel Escobar gives them real good value, value that was going to be tough for us to match. I like Hernandez a lot.

Anyhow, like others, I’m just hopeful that this saga is over and we can move on to the rest of the offseason. I can see Peavy playing hardball, though, so I’m not sure this is over. Without Escobar in that lineup, that creates another gaping hole at short, and they still have to sign another arm. That’s a big unknown for Peavy. I can see this dragging out a little longer.

You know what I find interesting, though. The lack of Vitters from everyone besides Olney. Either Olney’s been getting bad info (he’s been the one suggesting Vitters), or he’s outscooping others on internal discussions. I tend to lean to the former.

by toonsterwu on Nov 13, 2008 12:07 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

Rec'd; interesting thoughts on the Vitters talk.

My guess is that given Towers’ friendship with Axelrod, he has to know what Peavy would accept and what he wouldn’t. This should be done soon.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 12:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

but I gotta believe...

….the Cubs offer for Peavy was more than Marshall, Ceceno and Pie, I guess that really goes without saying. With Escobar apparently included in the deal, hence opening up another hole for the Braves as you said, if Jake is really intent on going to a contender, it really wouldn’t make since for him to waive his no trade to go to Atl. I mean, they really are quite a ways away from contending. A lot of question marks with the Braves, which I wonder is why Hendry thought he’d take a stab at Peavy with the Cubs marginal prospects that they have. Maybe Hendry thought the Cubs would be the best fit for Jake on a personal level and if Jake played hard ball with the Padres and knowing how much the Padres want to unburden themselves with Peavy’s contract, the Cubs could take advantage of the situation.

that’s really the only scenario Peavy would end up with the Cubs but it’s looking more and more that Peavy will end up in Atlanta, which is no surprise.

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by lemon20pie on Nov 13, 2008 12:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

On Atlanta

I don’t think people should automatically write them off for 2009. In saying that, this trade, if it goes down, is as much for the future as it is for the present.

But, Atlanta finally has money to spend. A rotation of Peavy/Jurrjens/FA and 2 others is decent. Maybe they resign Glavine for a 4th/5th spot, which would be okay. Tommy Hanson could get a spot, or they could turn to stopgaps like Jorge Campillo. Too much is made of 5th starters. The pen should be solid, particularly if Smoltz comes back, perhaps at midseason. They have a decent group of positional pieces in Jones/Johnson/Kotchman/McCann. They have some leadoff options like Gregor Blanco. What they really need is a big righty bat for the middle of the lineup, and they have the money to make 3 big additions this offseason. Say they add Peavy, another solid starter, and a big righty bat like Pat the Bat. Suddenly, the lineup looks like it could be okay. Or … maybe they get bold and deal some chips for JJ Hardy. He adds some pop, saves a little bit of money, and maybe they can add another bat to that in LF.

That said, this trade is as much about 2010 and beyond as it is about now. In 2010, a rotation of Peavy/Hudson/FA/Jurrjens/Hanson could be one of the better ones in the league. The pen should still be solid, particularly as some arms move up, like Julio Teheran (who could challenge for a rotation spot in 2011 – although that’s best case scenario) and others (like Rohrbough if he isn’t dealt, maybe Osuna, there’s others, too lazy to research right now). They’ll have a bit more money clear up, so another addition is possible. In the system, guys like Jason Heyward and Freddie Freeman could be close to challenging for jobs. Brandon Hicks may be ready to challenge at short, and don’t rule out a guy having a breakthrough year, like Kala Kaaihue (sp?) or the enigmatic, but talented Eric Campbell.

by toonsterwu on Nov 13, 2008 3:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, that seems like a low ball offer

Even with the state of our farm system…..maybe Peavy will dig in his heels after all if he feels the Braves are worse off after the trade

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 13, 2008 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Peavy is the new Brian Roberts...

I’m waiting for latest update from DGU that the Braves are getting really, really, really, really impatient with the Padres (said in a Derrek Zoolander sorta way). And this time they mean it.

I can’t possibly be the only one who believes that Jake Peavy will go to Atlanta and that this is all peculiar dance on the part of Jim Hendry when deep down his true focus is on Ryan Dempster.

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Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!

by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 12:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Thought you weren't going to post about Peavy anymore?

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Nov 13, 2008 12:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wander

if the wait makes peavy so mad he pounds sand?

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by cubsluver22 on Nov 13, 2008 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll leave off the "impatient posts" if you leave off the

“This isn’t getting done until the Yankees get in on it in January” posts. Fair enough?

Peavy was a fun little diversion. Now can we get back to speculating about lead-off hitters?

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 1:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"Here, Here"

Yes, a spot in the lineup the Cubs desperately need.

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by Grockcubs on Nov 13, 2008 7:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh

You have to admit the Zoolander reference was kinda funny. With all due respect.

by StevenABQ on Nov 13, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If only I had photo-shopping talent,

I’d stick Derek Zoolander’s face on to my Sandberg avatar picture. Alas and alack.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sigh...another promise broken.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

One word answer to the question posed in the title:

No.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 13, 2008 3:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Well at least its a step towards resolution

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 13, 2008 8:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess.

I hate stuff like this — not your efforts, which are laudatory. I just wish they’d make deals like this and get them done without this endless and breathless discussion and “updates”, which aren’t really updates at all, because nothing has happened.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thats true

I wonder who leaks this stuff though, if its the front office trying to build up hype or if its really just the writers digging for and trying to be the one who “scooped” the story.

It always seems to involve the Cubs though, doesnt it? There was no back and forth in the media about the Holliday deal.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 13, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's a little of both, probably.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 13, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

or...

… the front office trying to extract more players/quality from either side.

by dmlichte on Nov 13, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Usually, especially with FAs, the leaks come from the player's agent.

Although, I remember reading one time a long time ago (can’t remember who wrote it) that when a writer says: “A source close to Steinbrenner said…” , that source is close enough to Steinbrenner to be inside his undershirt.

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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 13, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually I can stand it, here's why

I don’t have to go looking at all these different sites. It’s already done. Bren and others are keeping close tabs on it so I know that once something does happen – whatever that happens to be – all I have to do is check back here…

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Nov 13, 2008 6:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

If they throw in Vitters,

isn’t the Cubs offer close to as good?

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by Kinky Reggae on Nov 13, 2008 8:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I think Peavy is leaning towards the Cubs...

and I believe Vitters would get it done. I don’t know if he should be included, but a package around Vitters trumps a Marshall, Pie, Cedeno package.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Nov 13, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Im not in favor of this deal...

But if they can get him for a hill of beans like this article says, thatd be alright by me, Cedeno is replaceable, Lou has no use for Pie and Marshall could do really well in Petco, though he’d be the toughest to replace IMO….unless Veal somehow miraculously makes it to the bigs as the lefty swing man.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 13, 2008 8:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Let me get this straight...

The media stooges somehow continue to portray the Braves offer as “significantly” better than the Cubs offer because it includes Yunel Escobar. You know him, the 26 year old SS that slugged 63 points less than Mike Fontenot did in 2008 and has never slugged higher than .469 in any minor league season. The same guy that doesn’t run and is already 200 pounds and more than likely to get larger. The one that will be moved off of SS by the time he’s 30…which is in four long years. Yep, that’s the guy that tips the scale according to the mainstream writers.

That is sheer and utter nonsense. Escobar can play a little SS and he’s better a better player than Khalil Greene but if those other ragamuffins (Morton, Reyes, Hernandez, Boyer) are the deal tippers, we’re talking beauty being in the eye of the beholder here between the Braves and Cubs offers.

I’m certain only half the story is being reported so I’m not going to start comparing and contrasting the rumored packages but you guys have to stop and think about why this deal hasn’t been done already if “everyone” feels so strongly that Escobar is that good. I just don’t see it nor do the Padres apparently. If you’re dealing a frontline SP in a salary dump and all you’re getting back in return is a decent SS and spare parts, you’re hoping like hell that other teams enter the fray.

The only thing in that article that makes any sense is that Peavy may not desire to pitch for the Braves and may prefer the Cubs. If that is fact, the Cubs have an even better chance to land him…which is presumably why the Padres are still listening to the Cubs offer. Conspiracy theorists can continue to believe that this is smoke for other deals but this time of year, there really is no reason to believe anything you read as only shreads of the drivel is actually true.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Nov 13, 2008 8:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Well said...

…and I especially agree with your last paragraph. This trade rumor stuff is really a game at times between clubs. These sources that media members use to get the information are sometimes right on target, but they also feed a lot of BS (on purpose) to play the game with the other side.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 8:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Right...

… which is another reason I’d rather not hear any of it, since likely a great majority of it is disinformation.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd caution

that a Peavy veto does not necessarily mean he’s coming to the Cubs. As MPH73 points out with disinformation in all these reports, a Peavy veto could be Towers-Axelrod’s last attempt to get Hanson in the deal.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Veto

I’d be surprised if Peavy did this seeing as how he said he was willing to be traded to a handful of NL teams, the Braves being one of them. If he did go back on this I think it would speak a lot of Peavy who has had every opportunity over the past few weeks to tell the Padres of his sudden concern with going to Atlanta.

by dmlichte on Nov 13, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That is precisely...

…why it is probably BS.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Peavy has hinted at concern for going to Atlanta if Yunel Escobar is in the deal.

That was the odd wrinkle in this whole trade discussion.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ragamuffins...ha

I havent heard that word in a while….I never thought about that, but youre probably right. The Braves were able to trade Andrus b/c they thought Escobar was their SS of the future and now theyre willing to trade him a year or so after they got rid of Andrus, so maybe they think as you do, that he may have already peaked.

If the Cubs can get Peavy for that package, I’ll be completely in favor of it.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 13, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Can someone

make a fanpost entitled: “MBDNIU says he is done talking Peavy to the Cubs; Steinbrenner Boys: Your move.”

Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 13, 2008 9:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

If you do

make sure to include a wordy poll.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I vote for A.

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Lou Downplays Peavy Talks

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1277176,CST-SPT-cub13.article

Perhaps our national nightmare is over, but the Cubs remain interested according to
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8789624/Report:-Braves-on-verge-of-landing-Peavy?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49

So Lou is the voice of reason and maybe Hendry was slightly interested but became completely enamored at the idea once Peavy made it clear he would come to the Cubs while others intimated he wanted to come to the Cubs alone.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 13, 2008 10:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

second link

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 13, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

weird....

sorry that second link didnt completely show up, but its from Rosenthal, so copy and paste if youre interested
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8789624/Report:-Braves-on-verge-of-landing-Peavy?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 13, 2008 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Peavy/Roberts

The Peavy situation is likely to be over in a matter of days, most certainly by Thanksgiving. While its certainly been on the front burner, it won’t come close to what was the Brian Roberts situation, which went on and on and on and on….and on and on. I don’t recall when the Roberts rumors started however they stretched well into spring training and Piniella thought it was a done deal (Soriano was actually moved out of the leadoff spot for part of spring training). Hell… the Roberts rumors have cropped up again, its just the gift that keeps on giving.

by dmlichte on Nov 13, 2008 11:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Just like a venereal disease.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 13, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I told you to avoid the shower stall at Roxy's.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The Roberts rumors started right after the Kaz Matsui rumor ended.

The Cubs’ first attempt at benching DeRo was to sign KazMat. When KazMat signed with Houston we all breathed a huge sigh of relief…..

…. and then the Roberts talk started… and never stopped…

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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 13, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They told me it was safe. That;s the last time I listen to a doctor named Slick.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 13, 2008 11:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

It;s already affecting your mind

you are starting to have the dreaded NOMAR disease.

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

NOT THE NOMAR DISEASE, AUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 13, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Quick! Get the BCB defibrillator again!

And an inoculation for NOMAR disease! Damnit, man, move! There isn’t much time!

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Stop calling me Shirley,

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No

You asked.

by rlpete on Nov 13, 2008 12:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Now its not so close.....

This is never going end!

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8790286/Source:-Padres-‘not-close-with-anyone’-on-Peavy

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 13, 2008 1:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Good thing you didn't name this one

“Penultimate Peavy Post”

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps the next one could be...

“Peaved With Peavy Posts? Too Bad, Here’s Another”

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

if we get too many, we'll have to have

an organizational post, called “Passel of Peavy Posts”, with just links to the others…

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Nov 13, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ha, I like that one

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 13, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kevin Gregg is no good, but

the silver lining, I guess, is that the Cubs are not out of the Peavy-stakes.

Also, I suggest that Bren’s next Peavy post, return to the P-alliteration and add, “plus poll.”

Oh, and did I mention the fact that the Braves are impatient about Kevin Gregg being no good?

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 1:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

How bout: Peavy to Ply his trade in Peach State?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 13, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nice.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I cant think of any 'Ps' that relate to Chicago or Illinois

But it might not matter if the Braves get him..

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 13, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Peavy to Ply Pitching: Peachy!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Nov 13, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Beg to differ

The pursuit of Jake Peavy is over for the Cubs. Trading Jose Ceda away eliminates an important chip for a team that didn’t have enough good chips in the first place to offer San Diego.

I expect Ryan Dempster to re-sign with the Cubs by the end of this weekend. He’s been Hendry’s priority # 1 and now with Wood gone he’ll get a deal with Dempster done. Fast.

McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!

by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

There's no way Hendry traded Ceda

if Ceda was a chip SD wanted. Look, you basically are saying it’s over, because you never thought it was on. Hence, your whole view is revealed in these words.

[The Cubs] didn’t have enough good chips in the first place to offer San Diego.

The reality is that the Padres dumped Ceda for a reason. They weren’t likely to want him back. I think you’re right about Dempster, but that does not necessarily rule out Peavy completely.

And before you say it – yes, of course, Peavy remains unlikely – just not impossible.

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by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If Hendry was honest today...

…about the payroll (sounds like a modest rise from 07), I just don’t see how the Cubs can sign Dempster, trade for Peavy and still be able to address the left handed power bat and possibly leadoff. Also, acquiring Peavy, basically takes away your trade chips if you need them to acquire the bat.

It will be either Peavy or Dempster, but I highly doubt you see both.

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by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

And my choice is Dempster.

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by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Mine too.

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by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I feel like this is the reverse of last off-season.

Last off-season everyone was convinced Demp would be a 5.00 ERA pitcher and I thought, I dunno, give him a few extra innings to get the kinks out and he could be a 4.25 ERA guy.

This off-season everyone is convinced Demp’s going to be a 3.50 ERA pitcher and I think, I dunno, he still seems like a 4.25 guy going forward.

If there’s anything that came out in the Pie thread, it’s that the market for Pie isn’t going to net us high ticket pieces – a big exception, though, is if we trade to SD.

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by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Let's Look at Dollars...

Signing Gregg today, and assuming he gets $3.5M in arbitration puts the Cubs at a payroll of about $125.5. Signing Dempster ($13?) and getting Peavy ($8M) puts you at $146.5. You haven’t re-signed Blanco yet, nor payed arbitration to RJ, Cotts, Gaudin or Wuertz yet, which would cost you at least another $10M. That’s $156.5.

No room for a left-handed power bat nor possible lead-off guy, unless you go cheap. What do we have left for (1) trades, and (2) fill-ins for injuries?

Push Marquis’ salary, and you could be back at $150M. Hendry said payroll is going up slightly. What is slightly from $130M from 2008?

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Nov 13, 2008 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Here's what I think about Gregg being included in any Peavy deal.

No way. Think about how we’ve reacted to the Gregg acquisition — negatively. You think the Padres want any part of a guy who creates reactions like that? And I’m not saying that because they necessarily care what the fans think, but obviously, Gregg isn’t viewed as any sort of elite closer.

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by Al on Nov 13, 2008 4:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

did you ever think the padres want a closer who is ready now versus waiting a minimum of a year and a half for ceda… and now we can pay greggs salary, making it even sewwter for the pads…

by Steele3 on Nov 13, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why would they want a "ready now" closer?

They’re going to lose 100 games in 2009. They’re building for a future 2-3 years down the road.

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by Al on Nov 14, 2008 8:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

DePodesta said in his blog

on why they exercised the option on Giles that the Padres were going to take the first half of next season to see if they could compete. In that division, I don’t blame them. Sure, it’s most likely they won’t win, but in the NL West, if you get some surprising steps forward from Headley or Antonelli and your PETCO one-year pitchers come through – you could be in it.

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by DGU on Nov 14, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bad as last year's Padres were...

… as late as July 11 they were only nine games out of first place. So you’re right about the division they’re in.

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by Al on Nov 14, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If they are slashing payroll...

…the last thing a team needs is a closer that costs more than the league minimum. This is why I think there is no chance Gregg gets flipped to the Padres and Peavy is not coming here.

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by MPH73 on Nov 14, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We need a third team invoved.

by Snake Plisskin on Nov 13, 2008 7:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Let me be the first to say that MDBNIU may end up right.

Krasovic reporting that the Padres are expanding this out to the Yankees and Angels as there is no workable deal with the Cubs or Braves.

I’m sure this does little to appease the Braves’ patience.

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by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 10:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yankees have the young talent to get a deal done...

McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!

by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

...say like Phillip Hughes and that hotshot outfielder by the name Andrew Jackson I think it is...

McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!

by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep - if Peavy waives his NTC.

Towers is risking, however, going the same route the Twins did. The Braves will move on and if Peavy won’t go to the AL, the Cubs will still be holding their trade chips twiddling their thumbs on Brian Roberts so we could get lucky like the Mets did last year.

But the Yankees certainly have the chips to do this and Cano, Hughes, A-Jax, there’s a lot they can offer. The Angels do, too. I bet the Padres would like Brandon Wood and Howie Kendrick.

My guess is that Towers is either trying one last ploy to get the Braves to up their offer or he knows Peavy will accept a trade to Anaheim or the Bronx.

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by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If the Braves move on

we could easily lose Dempster or get seriously bid up on him.

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by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Either way, he's in the driver's seat. If the Cubs don't get Peavy, Demp is holding the cards

because the other FA choices are either too old or too expensive. If the Cubs get Peavy, Atlanta becomes a viable suitor for Demp along with any other possible teams. His salary number makes him a good candidate for a couple of teams.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 14, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs