Wood done as a Cub? It appears so.
Pitcher Kerry Wood and the Cubs will part ways after 14 years with the organization, general manager Jim Hendry said today.
Wood, who came up in the Cubs organization as one of the team's most heralded prospects ever, had the longest tenure of any Cubs player on the 2008 roster.
Earlier today, the Cubs acquired right-handed reliever Kevin Gregg from Florida on Thursday to plug a hole in the bullpen, sending Double-A prospect Jose Ceda to the Marlins.
The obvious question to ask and address is, `What about Kerry Wood?’ " Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said. "We all feel Kerry is deserving of a three- or four-year, long-term contract. We’re just in a position now, as Kerry understands, that the length of that deal for the salary he would command right now is not our first priority."
Hendry said he spoke in recent days to Wood about that and said that based on their tight relationship that it was only fair to Wood and his family to encourage him to seek the best deal he could on the free agent market rather than leave him "dangling" over a possible chance to return, possibly at a discount. "I don’t think I’ve had a longer or more special relationship with anybody else in baseball," Hendry said of the star-crossed Wood, a first-round draft pick in 1995 who won the National League Rookie of the Year award in 1998 and earned All-Star recognition as both a starter (2003) and closer (2008).
There may be a small opening where Wood could come back if he truly wants to remain a Cub (and forgo a 3 or 4-year contract offer), but it does appear that the Cubs can't/won't be able to match a long-term contract offer.
So let me say thank you, Kerry Wood, if you really are leaving the organization, for the 14 years of service and the memories you provided.
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I hope that isn't true...
…It almost feels like what the Padres did to Hoffman. There has to be more to this than we see, or, the article is garbage.
by TheHawkRules on Nov 13, 2008 2:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ummm, I don't think so...
Wood is treated well here and Hoffman was with the padres, too. Hoffman is 41 and mediocre at best, he wasn’t treated badly, IMO. If Hoffman doesn’t know when to hang it up, that’s not the padres problem.
by DudeVf11 on Nov 13, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoffman was treated badly
He only wanted a one year deal, they offered him chump change and ran in the other direction. D’Backs are doing the same to Johnson. I do not think that is what Hendry is doing with Wood even if I am disgusted by it.
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 13, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoffman
It wasn’t the offer with Hoffman, it was the way it was done.
It’s obviously only one side of the story but the Padres made him an offer. He asked to talk with management and/or owner about the team’s direction. Instead the team faxed a response to his agent that they were pulling the offer. No one ever talked to him.
For someone that has been with the franchise that long, that is bad. Compare that to Hendry. I’m sure he and Wood and his agent had numerous discussions. They both knew where each other stood. The separation seems a lot more agreeable than Hoffman and the Pads.
by rlpete on Nov 13, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, during his Score interview today...
…Hendry mentioned having dinner with Wood within the last few days.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoff
I didn’t mean that theior situations are the exact same. I just referred to it because this story just came out of nowhere and at the time, the details hadn’t been released. It just seemed like Hendry was ditching Wood without giving much reason….
That’s why I made the comment that “there has to be more to this than what we see”
by TheHawkRules on Nov 13, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell Hendry?
Now I really hate the Gregg trade. Best of luck to Wood, hopefully some miracle comes through in the last second.
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by nji232 on Nov 13, 2008 2:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sad...
Woody’s optimistic attitude and seemingly struggles seemed to epitomize Cubdom (for better and worse). A stand up guy that I’ll continue to root for. I just hope he goes to the AL.
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by wrigley's ivy on Nov 13, 2008 2:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
*seemingly endless
not sure what happened there
"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra
by wrigley's ivy on Nov 13, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It appears
that someone is taking the attitude that we did not win with some of these guys so maybe we need to try a different avenue……….I dont get what were doing I guess we will all find out together
Let go cubs
by cubsfaninkc on Nov 13, 2008 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and oddly enough
Wood didnt have anything to do with the playoff losses this year.
by AndHart120 on Nov 13, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but...
There are financial considerations, aren’t there? What were the Cubs’ shortfalls? Where might that money be better spent??
by rgonzale on Nov 13, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why
Id rather have wood as the closer then Dempster as a started. Jim Hendry’d relationship with Woody was supposed to be stronger then with demp. Sad Sad day
by Kchance on Nov 13, 2008 2:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This blows!!
Well, this is a shitty way to start Free Agency!! Hate to see leave Kerry, but thanks for the memories.
by McRipper on Nov 13, 2008 2:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
thoughts
I hate to see wood go but at the end of the day no way do you give him a 3-4 yr deal at 10 mil plus. this is his last big payday I gotta believe and if I were him I would do the same thing. that is go to the highest bidder. I feel it will be a bad move for whomever does it whether it be the mets,angels,brewers,cards or whomever. good luck wood in all you future endeavors, you were a class act but at the end of the day this is a business decision for both sides.
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 13, 2008 2:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gregg Vs. Wood as closer.
I would rather have Wood closing a ballgame than Gregg… hands down.
I don’t know where Hendry supposely said this, but I can’t find any official quotes. Maybe this is just a writer taking a few liberties with this trade…
by TheHawkRules on Nov 13, 2008 2:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Marmol is the closer
unless he proves in ST that he can’t do it.
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by TheRiot Police on Nov 13, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All things being equal, so would I.
But the money is not the same.
by rgonzale on Nov 13, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?????????????????????
This is a blow!
Thanks for all the memories Woodie………..along with your loyalty to the organization. Obviously…………that loyalty is not a 2 way street with the Cubs.
Sad sad sad
My fav Cub ever…………………shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 2:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
think with your brains
wood at 10+ mil/yr is a waste of money – the difference between wood and gregg next year is minimal and you save 10 mil
by uwbadger on Nov 13, 2008 2:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
want to add
I still hate the Ceda deal, but I am very much against paying top dollar to a closer
by uwbadger on Nov 13, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between Wood and Gregg is hardly minimal.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
minimal difference?
wood was a good closer and was in his first year at the job……..Gregg walks a lot of people and blows a decent number of saves…..(a guy that lou probably wont like)
by cubsmania on Nov 13, 2008 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say this... but...
Gregg will be the next Bob Howry.
Woody will pitch for the Cardinals.
And Ceda will pitch in a World Series before any of the current Cub staff.
this sucks.
by blakation on Nov 13, 2008 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, for heaven's sake
Another Cub-fan/fatalist. Buck up.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Nov 13, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't you optimistic.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 13, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is an awful day for Cubs fans
Gregg over Wood!?!? ridiculous
Obviously $$ has a lot to do with it.
by dlee25 on Nov 13, 2008 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tragic and probably as sign
of major budget constraints. I am truly devastated.
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 13, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Result of Hendry's spending
For those of you who thumbed their noses at me and others when we tried to raise hell at the insane spending and the horrible back loaded contracts of Jim Hendry well you are now starting to see the impact. I’m not sure if letting Wood go is a bad baseball thing. Four years guaranteed to a pitcher wit a history of health problems is questionable at best. But the fact is that with the contracts given to to Soriano and Marquis, along with the structure of deals given to those two along with Lilly, Lee, Ramirez and others have now come home to roost. Jim Hendry is a GM who makes his move by throwing around money and those decisions are now severely hampering him as he has a ton of money already allocated for the 2009 team and some real holes to fill.
by dmlichte on Nov 13, 2008 2:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This could be the case.
And it would be sad.
That said, if Wood will not budge from a long-term deal, I’m not sure I give it to him, despite the long history between him and the club.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think has more to do with Woody's injury history.
I don’t think the Cubs are willing to sign a player with the injury history Woody has to a 4 year guaranteed deal.
Frankly, I agree with Hendy that it doesn’t make sense to take that kind of risk. This is a business decision and you can’t allow emotion to cloud your judgment.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 13, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Kerry
kicks the Cubs ass for years to come! In fact……..it’d be nice to see him clinch a pennant for the Cards right in Wrigley. This is devastating
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 2:56 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Um, yeah, that's pretty twisted.
Try some herbal tea, dude.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
You don’t EVER, EVER fucking root against the Cubs. You don’t ever root for the Cards to clinch in Wrigley.
Go home, little boy. Your mama is calling you and needs to wipe your nose.
Wood had a great run, but now it’s over.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
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Tommie Agee was out.
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by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seconded.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Lord!
yeah it sucks, but to make a statement like that, please!
You ARE freaking out MAN!
by crw89 on Nov 13, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This makes me sick....
It’s one thing to be outbid on trying to sign a player, but to just give up and state in public that we are parting company at the beginning of the free agent season… well, this just makes me sick.
I’ve been a Hendry fan… but this is a move that really hurts. It’s one thing to say we couldn’t get him, it’s another to give up after little effort….
I’m really bummed and this is going to hurt for a long time…. a very long time.
by TheHawkRules on Nov 13, 2008 2:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My take is exactly the opposite
I applaud Hendry’s loyalty to the man and that he wouldn’t leave Kerry hanging going into the free-agent process.
by leothelip on Nov 13, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree...
….if Wood didn’t really care about staying here. Sullivan wrote that all Wood wanted was something fair.
It isn’t about the money to Wood…. he’s probably already set for life, it’s about being a Cub and wanting to win with the Cubs. Hendry has basically made it to where even if Wood wanted to take a HUGE payout, he still isn’t welcome back.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/11/cubs-wave-bye-t.html
Andre Dawson basically had to do the same thing in ‘87. He just handed them a blank contract and told them to write in whatever. They wrote like 500k as a joke, not thinking he’d sign it, but he did. He then won the MVP.
To some people, it’s not about money. It’s about winning at all costs. It’s about giving 100%. Why is it that the Cubs have a history of giving up on people like this? Wood, Maddux, Dawson, etc… Is it no wonder then we can’t ever get to the WS?
by TheHawkRules on Nov 13, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OF COURSE IT'S ABOUT MONEY
Don’t ever believe for a second that money isn’t a big deal.
Wood wanted a three- or four-year deal. He could be hoping this is his last big contract.
I love how people assume everyone is just “set for life”
Wood probably has 45 more years to live. His taxes are about to go up and he was in the highest bracket to begin with. He’s not broadcaster material.
He wanted money. He wanted long-term. The Cubs wouldn’t do it.
Your Dawson story is heartwarming, but it also came about as a result of collusion. The union eventually made the owners pay big time for that. My guess is Dawson got his cut.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would also like to add
That though Kerry asked him to make a fair deal, .Jim did not want to make him an offer that was fair for the Cubs but below his supposed market value knowing full well that the Cubs were not going to sign him. He helped Kerry by not setting his price and by announcing to the world that the Cubs are not going to sign him. How many legit offers would Kerry get if everybody thought he was going to sign with the cubs for 2 to 3 years.
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by TheRiot Police on Nov 13, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow stop acting like little babies.
the cubs couldn’t afford to pay him with dempster and such so they made a move. get over it.
by lexmarklover on Nov 13, 2008 2:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Wood leaving, either
But to give that much money and that long a term to someone whose next pitch could be his last probably doesn’t make much sense.
Gregg is going into Howry’s set-up role. Marmol will close. If he can’t do it, Gregg becomes Plan B.
Wood was a great Cub, and someday after he’s done playing I suspect he’ll return to the organization. But there’s a good reason fans don’t run baseball teams. You can’t get too emotionally connected to these guys and let that blind you to the truth.
If Hendry could make a level-headed decision about this, considering how connected he and Wood are, I say more power to him.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Nov 13, 2008 3:00 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
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Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 13, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perfectly stated!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 13, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know about that
if you ask me the fact that Jim hendry wont take Wood on a 1 year deal in this day and age in stupid and makes him a horrible manager. If he signs wood he would look smart for having such a good relationship and it would be an example of how that plays out.
and also Jim hendry is making decisions based on friendships and what best for his friends how the hell is that any better. This whole situation makes Hendry look like a horrible GM
by Glacier on Nov 14, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But we know
1) that Hendry’s not a horrible GM
2) that Hendry likes Wood
3) that Hendry tends to be good to people who want to stay Cub
which is why it seems clear that this was Lou’s decision. The Wittenmeyer article at ST suggests Kerry knew this was coming all year, which suggests to me that Lou made up his mind last year and Jim gave Kerry a year to come to grips with it. Sue’s saying she heard on the radio Lou is behind this and I believe it. If you’re angry, be angry at Lou.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 14, 2008 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why would i be angry at lou?
first off there is no proof this is lous fault.
second Jim hendry runs the team its his decision. he gets the palyers and then lou the manger manages them.
third hendry is a shitty gm. Our farm system is a joke we have way to many ridiculous contracts. Hendry has done few good things like lee, ramirez yada yada yada. but he has also done some extremely stupid shit that far outweigh that in my opinion.
by Glacier on Nov 14, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's just me.
But just because we didn’t sign him before other teams could talk to him doesn’t mean he couldn’t come back. Yes, Hendry is telling him to go get the best deal possible. But everyone keeps saying that the closer market almost seems saturated. So will Wood really be able to demand four years and $10 million? Maybe Hendry’s “letting him go” as a gesture of goodwill, but who’s to say he couldn’t come back?
As a GM, I’d rather take a chance on Fuentes or K-Rod. They’re younger and do not have an injury history. And if a lot of teams are trying to cut back on spending because of the economy, I don’t think anyone can justify giving him a huge contract. So why can’t he find his way back?
Note that this isn’t wishful thinking. I’m not crying that he’s gone, though I liked him. I’m just saying the door is still open, although only barely.
by varrys on Nov 13, 2008 3:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This isn't a terrible move by the Cubs
But it’s a sad, sad day. Wood has been my favorite Cub for a decade.
I understand Hendry’s logic. It’s probably not smart to sign Wood to a 3- or 4-year deal, given his injury history. Except for last season, he hasn’t been healthy since 2003.
I don’t know much about Kevin Gregg, but he’ll certainly be cheaper. I also think trading Ceda probably means the Cubs are out of the Peavy sweepstakes. I think this means the Cubs re-sign Dempster. I have mixed emotions about that, mainly because I don’t think he’ll repeat his 2008 performance.
I also think this is evidence of how players rarely give hometown discounts, and why the Cubs — and we, as fans — shouldn’t expect them to.
by elgato on Nov 13, 2008 3:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I would rather have Wood than Dempster actually. Dempster has only has one great season. There is no way he will repeat last year…. with Wood, if he’s healthy, he’s good. To me, that seems safer than signing Dempster.
Plus, we spent all of that money while he was hurt so that we would get him back healthy. Well, now he’s back and healthy. So what do we do? We let him go then. Wow. It would have made more sense to let him go years ago.
One other thing… I dont think we know exactly what Wood is wanting. Is all of these financial figures just speculation?
by TheHawkRules on Nov 13, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously
Obviously from a personal standpoint I am almost in tears.
My email box is full guys this has hit the national news as well. My best friend actually called me!
But as a Cubs fan I think Marmol can take over as closer hopefully Greg can slip into Marmol’s role.
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 13, 2008 3:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Now closing for the New York Mets...
Kerry Wood.
by FloridaCubsFan on Nov 13, 2008 3:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can hear Ron Santo's "oh jeez" if that happens lol
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by BigJohnAZ on Nov 13, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or worse, the Brewers.
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by Al on Nov 13, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or the Cards.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Cardinals, at least I have some respect for.
I would absolutely despise seeing him in a Milwaukee uniform.
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by Al on Nov 13, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, let's just give him $100 million and 10 years guaranteed!
To keep him from going to another team!
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is suggesting that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be an Indian
that’s where I’ll predict he goes.
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by Trey2317 on Nov 14, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a possibility I hadn't thought of.
One of the Tribe’s biggest troubles last year was closing. He’d fit in well there. I could see it, if they’re willing to pay it.
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by Al on Nov 14, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this one hurts
its the right move from a baseball perspective, I can’t argue that.
but there isn’t a cub player in my lifetime that has understood what it meant to be a Cub more than Kerry Wood
I love Kerry and I will miss him dearly
by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 13, 2008 3:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts exactly.
Tough call, but probably the right one when all is said and done.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
summed it well, dartmouth
this is such a sad day… sometimes the business of baseball flat out sucks
All generalizations are false.
by Emelie on Nov 13, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thx for the Memories Kerry
You will be missed! Best of luck wherever you go.
————
As for this decision, I can understand trying to save some money in relief when we have such a good option in Marmol. The Gregg addition makes a lot more sense now, and I think he’ll be pretty good. I just hope the money saved is well spent to help put the Cubs over the top next year.
by Cubinator on Nov 13, 2008 3:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Very sad.
Baseball business moves aside this is very sad. Woody has pretty much been the face of the Cubs the last decade for the good and for the bad. I just cant see him in a another uniform, just the same way I couldnt see Ryno in another uniform.
Thank you for everything and showing how much you loved the team, the city, and the fans.
Picture stuck in my head right now… Ronnie kissing Kerry on the cheek after clinching in 2007.
by AndHart120 on Nov 13, 2008 3:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know things happen
for a reason but this really hurts. I will miss Kerry and wish him well.
by sue369 on Nov 13, 2008 3:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
a very sad day
It will be hard to see him playing for someone else.
Kerry I wish you all the best…
by coral on Nov 13, 2008 3:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000
it will break my heart to see him pitching against us
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect it will break his a little too
All generalizations are false.
by Emelie on Nov 13, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's really hard to be a fan of this team anymore
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 3:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes...
….it seems to get that way.
by TheHawkRules on Nov 13, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Grow up
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Geez… why you being such a jerk? Oh, I guess I just can’t state my opinions.
Get a life turdboy. ’nuff said.
by TheHawkRules on Nov 13, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was replying to plenz
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 13, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he was replying to turdboy.
Oh, wait…
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Both of them
were being immature asses
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse my french
BUT WHAT IN THE FLYING FUCK IS GOING ON!
If that gets me a suspension I don’t care, I cannot believe this.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 3:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hendry on The Score right now.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 3:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good to hear that as long as Hendry is around
Wood will always be a Cub, even if/when he goes elsewhere this offseason.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 13, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is he saying?
I don’t have the radio at work
by hmlee on Nov 13, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A few highlights:
1. He and Kerry Wood have a brotherly relationship – Wood will always have a role with the Cubs.
2. Payroll will go up.
3. They’ll negotiate with Dempster – they want him around.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 13, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More highlights:
1. “This isn’t an overhaul team. It’s a team that if you make the right 2, 3, 4 moves, it’s capable of winning a championship”
2. “We’re going to keep getting better and keep trying to get better until we knock that [World Series] door down.”
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 13, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
have heard that 1000 times this month
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 13, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
payroll will increase
because of the ridiculous backloaded contracts Hendry signed off on. Question is…….will the Cubs be better next year? Right now the guess is no
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, my overall impression...
…from what I can read through Hendry’s typical GM doublespeak is that this was purely a financial decision. They just don’t want to allocate the dollars to a long-term deal for a closer.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct...
…and it basically means he won’t have enouph dough to take care of the starting rotation and add the lefty bat, if he gives Wood what he wants.
I agree with him prioritizing the way he is.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LH bat>leadoff>closer?
What’s your take?
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Nov 13, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounded like Dempster was priority No. 1
then the Cubs move on from there to LH bat. Gregg and Marmol will be first 2 closer options (Marmol first, then Gregg).
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 13, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, Hendry specifically mentioned that Marmol and Gregg...
…will be options for closer. I’d think Marmol would get first dibs given his time with the teams and sick numbers last season.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope so.
I would for Ascanio to be given a long look at throwing the 7th or 8th innings, potentially, in spring training, too.
A Guzman, Samardzija, Gregg, Ascanio, Marmol bullpen sounds like something Lou would enjoy – lots of hard-throwing RHPs in there.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 13, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ascanio wasn't good enough to pitch the 7th in AAA
let alone the majors last year.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just said he'd be given a look
no guarantees he’ll be able to.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 14, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Saying?
“Dempster is better than Wood. Peavy will come to Wrigley and win the World Series, Cy Young, all sorts of MVP awards and become the face of the organization. Marquis will be a solid, 15+game winner. Fukudome will hit for average AND power. Theriot will win a Gold Glove at SS.”
I’m a bit depressed and I apologize for the stupid post.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Nov 13, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please advise what is said.
btw, this is probably all your fault.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 13, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, what's my fault?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You should have shown more love and then Woody would have stayed.
Wrong week to stop amphetamines.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Kerry's fed up with all the sand pounding.
Sorry about that.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He might be,
after all, all the Cubs read this blog and take it all seriously. Lemme tell ya, what more do you want me to say. Uh, Uh, all the guys just want to win. What more can I say except to say Kerry has been the “face” of the Cubs for a while, and I don’t know who will replace him in that role, certainly not Pie or Fukedome. But we have some good prospects. Yeah. Good prospects. If we could get Sori to stop swinging at every fucking ball that is thrown his way he might be a good candidate. Oh wait, he is not a prospect anymore; he is a superstar. gosh darn it all to heck. This is getting old and tiring. What should the Cubs do now, BM?
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is where...
…you have to put the emotion aside, and use your objectivity.
Wood is one tweak away from being on the shelf for good, and anything beyond 2 years guaranteed (for a closer especially), would not be wise.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 3:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wood pitched healthy ALL year
he’s no closer or further from the end than any other pitcher. That line of thinking is insane
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry...
…but to ignore his history (and knowing the fact he has a tear in his cuff right now) and to give him a guaranteed deal of more than 2 years, would be to make a decision on pure emotion.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blister? Four weeks? McFly?
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
every mlb pitcher is a tweak away from Dr. Andrew table
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct....
…but you have to consider who is more likely to have that “tweak”.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard this young whippersnapper by the name
of Prior has scientifically perfect mechanics!
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 13, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He can sure pick up pumkins OK
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that being said..............
doesn’t Dempster have history on the operating table?
Seems many are more than willing to give him 4-5 years and big $$
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can rationalize all you want...
…but it won’t work with me. If this allows them to improve in higher priority areas, than IT WAS THE RIGHT MOVE!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
but was Gregg the right move as a replacement in the bullpen?
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 13, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IMO...
…you are basically replacing Howry, so you go ahead and make that call.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
come on guys...
…love Kerry like a brother, but every time he took the ball I held my breath.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 13, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pshaw.
We know what Kerry can do as a reliever.
If Hendry hadn’t thrown silly money at the likes of Marquis and Fukudome, Wood would still be a Cub. Period.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
by D98 on Nov 13, 2008 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight, 20/20, yadda yadda.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 14, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this board was unanimous about Marquis.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
by D98 on Nov 14, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mm, yes and no.
I’d guess most believe that Hendry did overpay for Marquis to a certain extent. Then again, market value is what it is. But many feel Hendry has gotten what he paid for – a back of the rotation guy who doesn’t break down and lends some stability to the rotation. And, when all was said and done, Jason did have a pretty decent 2008.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 14, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the funny part
will be watching Woody make Soriano look sick in a big spot
The Brewers could be a fit………..
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 3:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're really
on a roll. Sucks to lose Kerry, there’s no doubt. But buck up ‘lil camper, it’s how these things go.
"I love when they play that Go Cubs Win song."
by BMoney79 on Nov 13, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it just hurts
how can anyone be optimistic about 09 now? Nice loyalty on the Cubs part. Screw em!
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So losing Kerry Wood dooms the 2009 season?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say that...
But I would say that it starts any off-season acquisitions on a sour note (I mean the Gregg trade was already kinda blech, but I’m talking further things). Whomever we pick up with the extra money is going to have to be damn good on a baseball level to make up for the loss of Woody on a personal level… if that’s even possible
by hmlee on Nov 13, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, neither one of these moves is particularly a cause for celebration.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Now if we flip Gregg to get Peavy then maybe this is okay… but if we jettisoned Kerry to pick up someone like Adam Dunn (I know he’s loved as a possibility by some people here, but I’m not sure that our OF can take another slow masher type) I’m not going to be very happy going into spring training
by hmlee on Nov 13, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, there seems to be about a 50/50 split on Dunn around here.
As scary as his defense might be, I’m actually willing to roll the dice on him. A 40-HR, massive-OBP lefty bat in the middle of the lineup sounds pretty good to me.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Troll. Troll, troll, troll. Troll.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 13, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah....a troll
because I like Kerry Wood and think he’s a Cub icon?
Too funny
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, because of your comments on this page
"it’d be nice to see him clinch a pennant for the Cards right in Wrigley. "
“the funny part will be watching Woody make Soriano look sick in a big spot”
“Nice loyalty on the Cubs part. Screw em!”
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 13, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am just bitter right now
I can’t see the logic behind this other than a cost cutting move……..which plain sucks!
Even if he got overpaid……………..we have 2 other contracts on this team that are frikkin absurd
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but that doesn't mean
you should want to see Wood “clinch a Pennant for the Cards in Wrigley.” No matter how bummed I am , I would NEVER wish that…
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 13, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
got to admit ur right there..........
a knee jerk reaction…………….but still sad to see him go
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then step away from the keyboard
Until you calm down.
Don’t ever bring rooting for the Cardinals back here. Ever.
I don’t care if they burn Wrigley to the ground, fire Santo and change the name to the “Fighting Grizzlies”
You don’t ever root for the Cards.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
only way I root for the Cards is
if they play the White Sox in the series…..calm down dude
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't bring the Cards love
You did. So don’t tell me to calm down.
And you don’t even root for them then. You don’t watch the series. Or you root for a meteor to hit the stadium.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For that matter...
Don’t even refer to them by name for the next 30 days.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 13, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Hendry to be loyal towards one goal...
…winning a championship, not signing players because they are fan favorites. Sometimes decisions like this have to be made to make the team better in other areas, and that is exactly what this is.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
The teams that can compete year-in, year-out for the playoffs are the ones who can make cold, rational decisions and use younger players in place of aging, more-expensive veterans.
Carlos Marmol is someone whom many of us would look at as a future closer. Now is the time to make that move, as painful as it is for sentimental reasons.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 13, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Won't happen...
Soriano mashes sliders away… oh… wait…
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 13, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right on,
Hell, I could make Sori look sick by throwing him a 55 foot pitch 2 feet outside of the plate. Woody is going to feast on the Cubs for a few years. I hope he enjoys it and gets paid well. If he’s not on the Cubs roster in 2009 I’m not sure I care who else is.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sad day for Cubs fans
Kerry Wood will be pitching for another team next year? That sucks, man. I’ve always loved Kerry, always loved his intensity, his work ethic, his never-say-die attitude. I really loved watching him and Geo high five so many times this past year after getting the final out. It will be hard to see someone else do that.
But, with that said… Kerry does deserve a pretty good sized raise. And the Cubs aren’t in a position to give it to him. If he really wants the money (and nothing against him if he does), then he should move on.
Sad day though.
by kanderber on Nov 13, 2008 3:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wish Wood the best
Hopefully he goes to the A.L. and doesn’t come back to haunt the Cubs. And just goes to show, never know what’ll be going on in the offseason. And sometimes (or most of the time?) sources are just plain wrong.
by lamentir on Nov 13, 2008 3:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't know what to say.
After Sandberg Woody was my favorite Cub. If his agent is asking for 4 years, goodness. I still can’t believe that the Cubs couldn’t work a deal out.
If he stays in the division, Brewers and God help us the Cards, it will make me ill.
Kevin Gregg meet Bob Howry, Bob Howry meet Kevin Gregg,
Sorry, this is wrong.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Nov 13, 2008 3:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
I’m sorry but Gregg + 6M or Wood and Ceda?…I would have liked to keep what we had.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hes got Rangers written all over him...
Or possibly the Mets, but a 4 year deal is a bit much, so I cant fault Hendry on that, but Kevin Gregg….seriously?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 13, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet you are correct on the Rangers.
Texas boy and all.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 13, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I was thinking Rangers or Stros
…and bren I agree, Kevin Gregg, seriously? You put the words right back in my mouth.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer the Rangers.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And if he signs there...
We’ll know he has no interest in winning, contrary to what some of the people here think.
He’s about money and security.
And I don’t blame him a bit. His arm can go at any time. He has no college education. He has 45 years of his life left. His taxes will go up. He isn’t going to be a broadcaster and probably won’t coach above the high school level.
He needs one more big payday.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You hit the nail on the head
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a little harsh
I coach at high school level and I know Kerry could do it better. You can’t blame him for looking out for his needs though. That’s what we all do. Owners, managers, fans, and wannabee players.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers had the best Offense in the AL last year
As always, pitching has been their problem
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 13, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think hes made more than enough $ to offset a lack of college degree..
Come on, hes made more at his age than most of us will in a lifetime
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 13, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't live like you and me
Someone making $80k a year looks at Kerry’s earnings — Almost 49m lifetime — and says, “Welp, he’s set for life!”
Taxes take 40-50 percent. Agent takes another 5 percent. So, already, cut it in half what he makes and will make.
He is funding his retirement with this contract. Take every damn dollar you can get Kerry!
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And the last 90 days probably reduced his nest egg by 40%.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 13, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It probably did...
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless he spends like MC Hammer or Mike Tyson
Im sure he’s got plenty left, even with your math, he should be around 20M, not to mention investments, his money must be making him money.
This is about his love of the game and his willingness to convert a reliever, and doing so quite successfully and his desire to continue doing so….and he would be smart to take advantage of his success w/ the largest deal possible
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 13, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He had no choice
He couldn’t cut it as a starter and stay healthy. He just couldn’t do it.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody's money is making them money...
…unless they are betting on the inverse funds or are doing something illegal.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 13, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The point was...
hes been getting paid Millions for a decade, I seriously doubt he’s in dire straights
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 13, 2008 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Team that signs Kerry Wood to a 3 or 4 year deal will be making a mistake
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a risk
that I am not sure I would take
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 13, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sad, Sad Day
I’ve stated he’ll be easily replaced by Marmol in the ninth, but this is a really sad moment in recent Cubs history. Hes been completely synonymous with the Cubs over the past decade or so.
To be dispensed for what is essentially Kevin Gregg is a shame, I’ll be interested to see how far apart Hendry and Wood were
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 13, 2008 3:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can't fault the decision to let Kerry Wood go
The Cubs have paid a lot of money for a lot of Kerry Wood downtime over the years. If it is the objective decision of Jim Hendry and his staff not to meet Kerry Wood’s salary demands then how can we fault that? Hendry OBVIOUSLY has informed perspective on the condition of Wood’s right arm.
I’m not going to bash in the Cubs on this one. For once it seems they are letting smart and objective decision rule the day instead of letting heart take over.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 3:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Smart and objective
Except for the part where they traded our #2 prospect for Kevin Fing Gregg.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I’ve got to believe the decision came down to Jim Hendry and staff not having confidence in the future health of Kerry Wood. If that is the case then how can any of us find fault with the move?
Kevin Gregg has a live arm and is durable. Perhaps the plan is for him to serve as primary set-up man to new closer Carlos Marmol.
Jose Ceda? What does it mean to be our # 2 ranked prospect? It takes good quality to get good quality. If Hendry and company did their homework on Gregg (which I assumed they have done thoroughly) then I’m okay with them trading a top prospect to get the guy they wanted. Cubs clearly targeted Gregg. Must be good reasons for that.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 3:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just like...
they did their homework on Dome, right?
Its not Gregg vs. Ceda. Its trading one of our very few trade chips for a guy who has 1 year left on his deal.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs are built to win now
Hendry could have had lots of available closers and set-up man. Especially if he was trading a chip like Jose Ceda. Therefore I have got to believe he really, really did his homework on the guy and feels that he can be a primetime set-up man, thereby enabling Carlos Marmol to become one of the best damned closers in baseball. Or, Marmol sticks as 8th inning guy and Gregg shuts down the opponent in the 9th.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
What would everyone rather have? Wood walks and we do nothing to bolster the bullpen?
by StevenABQ on Nov 13, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What I read into this most of all is that Wood is damaged...
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it means the Cub payroll
is too backloaded to commit to years 3 & 4 on Wood.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 13, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would YOU give Kerry Wood a 3 or 4 year contract knowing his history???
Seriously. I find it refreshing for a change that Jim Hendry isn’t letting sentimentality for a player or denial over his ongoing ability overcome smart decision. We’re all sad that Kerry Wood is a goner. But I’m willing to bet we won’t be saying the same thing down the road when his arm has blown up again and the team that handed over all that big fat dough is crying in their beer.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would not guarantee year 3 unless
he triggered a clause on innings pitched in 1 & 2. That said, I do not believe Hendry refusing to offer the other two years has anything to do with knowledge that Wood is damaged that you keep spouting.
Hendry has inflation issues looming in the budget and has limited room for long term contract gambles. I guess he will gamble on Dempster’s health.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 13, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's damaged...
…and Hendry said as much during the press conference. I just think the Cubs do not want to allocate a substantial amount of dollars to a long-term contract for a closer while they have Marmol and now Gregg as options. Simple as that.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Point well taken
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah? Well same to you, buddy!
Wait…what?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is that a first?
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 13, 2008 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is for me!
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you are right for a change.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 13, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again...
Like they did their homework on Dome right? Or Fonzie, where was the concern for the health of his legs when they gave him the mammoth contract?
Point is you may do your homework, and get it wrong…not everyone is a straight A student and judging from the Juan Pierre move and others that sure as hell includes Hendry.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you want a GM
to predict every injury and slump, then stop rooting for any baseball team. You’ll just give yourself a heart attack.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
but seriously, we all knew that Wood was a 50/50 chance for a resign…so there ya go. At least there appears to be some judgement being used to try and fill that hole, like Gregg or not its a move in the right direction…Shark and Marmol cannot work it out alone.
by StevenABQ on Nov 13, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at Gregg's stats in Miami...
I’m not too confident he can either.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen em
I’m not making an argument that Gregg is a “replacement” for Wood. What I am saying is that if what Hendry said is true (taking his word on it) that the Cubs cannot commit to the kind of long term deal that is likely coming Woods way, then at least picking up a set-up man/situational closer is a wise move. If we’re losing Wood anyway the Gregg move at least is not as sour as before. IMHO.
by StevenABQ on Nov 13, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I might agree...
if he had only cost the money…but not when you factor in one of our top trade chips sent to Florida for him.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its a valid point
I’m not happy with losing Ceda for him either. But I’m trying to think about the net end result. If Ceda is a small part of the means to an end that we all want then cool. I kinda look at losing Wood as something that JH has known about for awhile.
by StevenABQ on Nov 13, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Texas
Expect him to go to the Rangers. That’s the speculation down there. In their dreams of dreams they get both him and Dempster.
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 13, 2008 3:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Do they have the payroll leeway to do it?
n/t
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Nov 13, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessin' the market for Kerry Wood won't be robust
If Jim Hendry took a pass on the likely contract terms to bring back Kerry Wood then that should send up red flags all around baseball that his arm health is not worth anything beyond an incentive-laden and relatively short contract.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 3:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt you are correct on this.
I’m guessing Kerry signs for 4/40 quickly.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 13, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm guessing...
That team will pay someone to buy out the third or fourth years.
I’m with Hendry on this one. Kerry probably deserves three or four.
But we don’t deserve to have to give it to him.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't disagree at all.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 13, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that it necessarily raises questions about arm health...
but it does send a message to another team that you are going to have to take a chance on Kerry and throw a good number of years & dollars at him to sign him. I still think he comes back to the Cubs, for less years and money.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Nov 13, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stickin' to your guns, eh Jimmy?
Well, FWIW, I hope you’re right.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly am. This story seems overblown, and smacks of negotiation...
I was right about ED, (Edmonds). We will see if I’m right about this…
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Nov 13, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it.
I believe Kerry’s agent already has full knowledge of teams ready to make offers.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 13, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Ceda has to mean pursuit if Jake Peavy is over...
I’m guessin Ryan Dempster signs a new contract with the Cubs by the weekend.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 4:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 13, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendrys on espn1000 now...
keep you updated
by Rezze21 on Nov 13, 2008 4:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
...
Obviously, Wood will not return
Want a left handed hitter
Want to get pitching lined up early so they can focus on hitting rest of winter.
Nothing really new..
by Rezze21 on Nov 13, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Codeword for "Ryan Dempster is on the verge of re-signing with us."
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not Ceda, per se, that hurts...
Its his value as a trade chip, someone said up above that the Cubs churn out power righties like cigarettes, which is true. What really separates Ceda from Ascanio, at least Ascanio made it to the bigs briefly and Cashner is on the fast track.
So its his loss as a possible trade chip in a larger deal that hurts the most, except for Wood leaving of course.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 13, 2008 4:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Will you be singing the same tune if Kevin Gregg ends up being a smart financial bargain in route to being a dominant set-up man that allows Carlos Marmol to become a dominant closer?
Like I said before, Hendry had his pick of plenty of options. Huston Street is one example of a guy who could probably be pried from Colorado. But Hendry decided to go with Gregg. I think he has very good reasons for this move. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
The problem is we are all mixing this subject up with our shock of Wood being a goner.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Ryan Braun will miss him....
If he goes to the A.L…. Dude absolutely OWNS Kerry
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance 1B/Manager 1908 World Champion Chicago Cubs
by imknowdummy on Nov 13, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True on the emotion part
Marmol will be a dominant closer regardless, and I bet Cashner is the 8th inning guy by ’10 at the latest.
I just think Ceda couldve been used in a trade with more impact. Street has had injuries in the past anyway and probably would cost even more.
But man, Marmols fantasy value just absolutely sky rocketed.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 13, 2008 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Favorite Wood Memory?
Mine has to be his HR in game 7 of the NLCS, that was crazy, way more memorable than the 20Ks
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 13, 2008 4:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
20Ks -- hands down
One of the most dominating pitching performances in history. Yes, it was a one-hitter, but that was a fluke infield hit. The Astros had nothing.
That game ranks up with perfect games for pure pitching dominance.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is good news...
I’m convinced that the Cubs will not return to the N.L.C.S. until they have purged their roster of all remaining players from 2003… Aramis goes next?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance 1B/Manager 1908 World Champion Chicago Cubs
by imknowdummy on Nov 13, 2008 4:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Shut up
And when you’re done, shut up some more.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a joke
Lighten up already… WHY SO SERIOUS?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance 1B/Manager 1908 World Champion Chicago Cubs
by imknowdummy on Nov 13, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to admit
It was pretty damned poignant.
by StevenABQ on Nov 13, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's almost like
you can’t joke anymore on this board or someone thinks your a Cards fan…..
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance 1B/Manager 1908 World Champion Chicago Cubs
by imknowdummy on Nov 13, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I took it coming off a little on the lighter side. But I could be wrong. As for the Cards fan thing, usually there is the one guy (plenz) who go absolutly nuts about “not rooting for the Cubs” and “its the end of days” etc. And, that usually gets everyone a little irrated and sharp in their comments.
by StevenABQ on Nov 13, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I spit on your attempts at humor
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying, i'm just saying
you should consider not watching Cubs games anymore… If they have such a negative effect on you…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance 1B/Manager 1908 World Champion Chicago Cubs
by imknowdummy on Nov 13, 2008 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is the world?
The Cubs traded Billy Williams, Fergie Jenkins and Ron Santo. Greg Maddux walked as a free agent. Hank Aaron and Willie Mays were traded.
I’d like to see Wood come back but for 4 years, no way. It’s baseball, Hendry has to do what he thinks is right. I can understand the posts about this not being the right move but I don’t get all the “I want to cry” posts.
I felt like crying when the Cubs traded Billy Williams but I was in still in grade school.
by rlpete on Nov 13, 2008 4:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well the sentimental argument...
Al and others made proved incorrect. Players aren’t going to turn down big bucks and more years out of blind loyalty and being part of the community. It ultimately comes down to cashing in.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 13, 2008 4:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn right...
Nor should they.
We root for laundry, not people.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 13, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think this disproves it.
Would Kerry have taken 4/35 or 3/30 to stay? Maybe, but the sentimental argument is only valid if those were offered back. If the only offer was 2/20 and he expects 4/40, what do you expect?
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 13, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it does...
Kerry took what he deserved rather than settle on a lower Cubs offer. Demp will do the same, although it appears JH will give him market value.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 13, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, a hometown discount is when a player takes
something a little less, like What Z took to stay. 1 fewer year or 10% less money. Agreeing to 50% less guaranteed money to stay is not a hometown discount, it’s crazy.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 13, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But going back to that whole thread about it...
people were convinced Kerry would accept a 2 year deal because it was the Cubs. Yes, Kerry would stay if Jim was close, but that whole thread bordered on insanity about player’s desires.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 13, 2008 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think its a question of what.
Most believed Hendry would only offer 2 years at market rate and consider a 3rd with triggers. Most thought the most he would get is three.
I’m just sayin choosing 4/40 (if he gets it) over 2/20 doesn’t disprove anything on whether or not he would take a discount. a 2/20 difference is not a discount, it’s charity.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 13, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is a matter of degree
If Hendry is offering 2 years and Wood think he can get 4 years at a higher salary, who can blame him? It’s not like we are talking a million or two difference. This is likely over a $10 million dollar difference. Of course, if Wood can’t get the deal he thinks he can, he might be back.
by rlpete on Nov 13, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
JH would have had to be pretty damn close to market level for Kerry to stay.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 13, 2008 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone Should Quit Crying....
Over spilled water from the Hot Tub !!! He’s as good as gone so talk about the future without Kerry Wood. How about how exciting it will be to have Marmol closing out games?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance 1B/Manager 1908 World Champion Chicago Cubs
by imknowdummy on Nov 13, 2008 4:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haha, as long as it's not "Rod Beck fly out to the warning track" exciting!
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 13, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm very excited about Marmol, Gregg, Samardzija in 2009
Yeah, I think that threesome will be better than Wood, Marmol, Howry in 2008. Plus Cashner and Guzman may be lurking soon.
I think the Cub bullpen is better and more stabilized after today. Isn’t that what this should all be about? Getting better. And doing so in a financially smart manner.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 4:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because they did their homework on Gregg.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
homework?
ummmmmmmm………………..let’s hope they studied a bit harder than they did on Fukudome
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I was being sarcastic...
thats what MDBNIU was trying to convince everyone of.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it will be better...
There is no Howry.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
It saddens me to see the player I grew up watching just be cast away by this team so easily. I was choking up when I heard about it (eh not been a good week for me; first my GF leaves me for another guy, now my favorite player is gone!). He was arguably my favorite player on this current team. What I don’t understand is how does this make us any better?
1) Wood > Gregg…obviously Wood would cost us more money, but he’s definitely a better player than Gregg.
2) We can no longer get Peavy I think because we gave up Ceda for Gregg.
3) I don’t understand why the Gregg deal was necessary. Ceda could have probably filled that role out of Spring Training. Then you’d have Wood, Marmol, Ceda, Shark, and so forth. Now, we lose two good players for the price of one servicable pitcher.
If we are only going to get Dempster, then we definitely have the money to get Wood and another LH bat. I don’t understand for the life of me why this team is better with Gregg instead of Wood and Ceda..
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 4:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn, Chanman. Your life sounds like a country song.
Sorry to hear it.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meh shit happens
just gotta keep living. …
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To hell with the ex-girlfriend
Move on buddy. If she left you for another guy then doesn’t sound like she was worth keepin around in the first place.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heed this advice
n/t
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Nov 13, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks man just puts you in a shitty mood haha
but i’m getting over her. Now I can put my frustration on this issue!
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meh its ok
shit happens I’m fine now….just one of those weeks!
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't let sentimentality for Kerry Wood cloud the objective...
Look at Kerry Wood’s history. Lots and lots of significant arm problems and lots and lots of time on the shelf. And lots and lots of Cubbie payroll dough spent on all that downtime. Also lots and lots of frustrating “pull your hair out moments” when he was healthy. How many times did Kerry Wood implode on the mound as a starting pitcher? Way too many times. Enigmatic and injury-plagued is how Kerry Wood will be most remembered when his career is over.
So ask yourself, why are you REALLY going to miss Kerry Wood? I’ll miss the guy. But honesty prevails me to say today will likely go down as one of the smartest days the Cub front office had in a long time.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
one of the finest days??? not even close
To give up essentially two good players in return for one of the same position? I don’t get it. It works finacially, but its a drop in the bucket, IMO
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on man
Let it go. Your logic is flawed if you think Hendry gave up “two players” for Gregg. Unless you believe overpaying a closer with a one-year history is “giving someone away”, Wood was hardly a lock to be back in the first place. Ceda is a prospect, albeit a mild one, and is hardly an irreplaceable part and surely was not a piece to be dealt in any Peavy discussion. Gregg is a proven major league commodity. If you want to win “now”, and the popular sentiment around here is that everyone does, Gregg makes a helluva a lot more sense than Ceda does. Pair him with whatever you get when you consider the cost savings of Gregg’s deal compared to the overpayment of Wood, and see what you get for that cash. I’ll guarantee that it will be significantly better than re-signing Wood for market value.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Nov 13, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am REALLY going to miss him
When Gregg tries to surpass his MLB leading 9 this year and Lou makes sure Marmol’s arm goes dead by the All Star break by
pitching him 9 straight games including 3 in which we have a 7 run lead.
Hopefully everything works out for you MBNIU , Dempster signs with the Mets and the Cubs use all the money on Abrau. Soriano
stays at lead off because he is “comfortable” and Lou thinks that is fine. By August we trade Vitters to get Howry back from the
Nats where he has an ERA of 6.22 but Lou thinks he is just the think to fix our crashing bullpen.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 13, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Couple of my thoughts
1. Best wishes Kerry. I hope you go to the AL and sav every game you can as long as it isnt against us. Also stay healthy buddy. You were a class act and someone who will always be a Cub in my heart.
2. Smart move not to re-sign him. Closers can be found anywhere and it is plain stupid to give someone who pitches 60 innings 10 million a year.
3. We will get two picks for this which will help us rebuild the system good deal.
4. I think a pen of Marmol/Shark/Gregg is pretty solid. Its better to have our ducks lined up then to count on wood taking a friendly deal and then him leave at the last second.
5. Lets bring back Prior :)
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on Nov 13, 2008 4:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with 2
They don’t grow on trees…see 04 Cubs, 08 Cardinals…to name a few. If Marmol was not waiting in the wings, I don’t think they make this decision. I would have liked for him to stay but I would not give a player with Kerry’s injury history a 4 year deal. Especially, when nobody is really sure how he recovered from his last shoulder injury.
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by TheRiot Police on Nov 13, 2008 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree but we have replacement candidates with cashner waiting in the wings..
also gregg isnt that bad… hes actually good
In 2008, Gregg posted a 2.92 ERA or less in five of his six calendar months, closing the season with nine scoreless outings in September. In a three-month period from May 6-August 12, Gregg went 3-2 with 21 saves, a 1.86 ERA (8 ER/38.2 IP) and a .165 batting average against (23-for-139).
Since pitching exclusively in relief the last two seasons, Gregg has stranded 32 of his 36 inherited runners, an 88.9 percent success rate. He stranded 15 of 16 inherited runners last season, a 93.8 percent success rate.
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by fischisgod on Nov 13, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thinking more rationally now
let’s hope there’s a couple big moves left here……..in particular at least one …preferably 2 LH bats along with Dempster resigning. I will be ok with Wood leaving as long as that $$ is spent on upgrading elsewhere
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 4:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Glad to have you back
How’d you sober up so fast? Hot water?
by StevenABQ on Nov 13, 2008 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there will be moves to be made for the cubs
but it will still be disapointing when wood closes 40 games for the milwaukee brewers next year.
by cubsmania on Nov 13, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats what worries me.........
but will the Brewers pony up that much cash??
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Defenitely
They won’t get CC…theyre bound to have the money for wood
by cubsmania on Nov 13, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think they'll
Take the risk on 3-4 years? Or is the better question, do they have a choice?
by StevenABQ on Nov 13, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they'll do it
not only is the market bare for good closers….but how good of a PR move for the brewers would it be?
by cubsmania on Nov 13, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It will be really weird if it happens, but they would be dumb not to seriously consider it. Especially with their weakness in that area.
by StevenABQ on Nov 13, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how awful of a sight would it be
to see wood close out a game at wrigley for the brewers? its like a bad dream….
by cubsmania on Nov 13, 2008 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there would
be mass puking everywhere I imagine……………………mostly at BH………lol
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hate to admit
but……..sober as a judge here all day
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wapner or Judy?
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by TheRiot Police on Nov 13, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For all of you Gregg bashers
who say “he sucks and he will only be here for one year”, I’m reminded of an old Catskill comedian who said “the food here stinks……and such small portions!”.
by leothelip on Nov 13, 2008 4:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The thing that scares me
is that Wood goes to the Cardinals, Brewers, or Mets and dominates us …
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 4:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals won't pay him
Brewers probably won’t pay him…Mets..that is possible
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by TheRiot Police on Nov 13, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he's got such a big heart
that he’ll simply groove pitches to Soriano……………….ohhhhhhhhhhh…………..forget it………he’d miss em anyway
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano doesn't miss low fastballs.
It’s the sliders two feet off the plate he has a problem with.
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by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure someone has mentioned
this already, but Woody to the Brewers wouldn’t shock me. Torres just retired and they were gonna attempt to throw some kinda money at C.C. this offseason. Maybe some of that goes to Kerry now? And the Mets have been mentioned all along with regards to Wood. BTW, what’s the deal with Wagner? Is he a FA or something??
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by BMoney79 on Nov 13, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy John...I believe
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Nov 13, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, injured. Needs arm (elbow?) surgery, I believe.
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by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
You are aware that those aforementioned teams, save perhaps the Mets, have glaring holes all over the place don’t you? A Wood signing hardly would tip the scales in any of their favors.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Nov 13, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guarantee you we will see this in the next week
Cubs sign Ryan Dempster to a four year deal worth 40 million
Cubs sign Adam Dunn for a 5 year 80 million dollar contract
I don’t want Dunn, but I GUARANTEE you Hendry is going after him now
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 4:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Then, does Soriano move to right?
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by zambranofan on Nov 13, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Dunn
but where the hell does he play?
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RF, either Dunn or Abreu
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can the NL make an exception and let the Cubs use 4 OF's then?
after all……….it’s been 101 years……….
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We won't need an exception
as long as we use three infielders. Not a bad plan if we get Dunn. . .
by leothelip on Nov 13, 2008 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dunn cant catch balls hit right at him.......
may be better just trotting 8 people out on the field to play defense…..but his bat would look good in the lineup
by cubsmania on Nov 13, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
I think Dunn in LF and Fonz in RF given his arm
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know hes not a LH bat....
but what do people think the white sox would want for jermaine dye? I wouldn’t mind seeing him in RF for the cubs.
by cubsmania on Nov 13, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking that myself.
I may make a separate post about this tomorrow, it deserves to be discussed further.
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by Al on Nov 13, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea
because quite frankly….I dont like the “LH bat” options out there…..I just don’t know if the cubs have enough that the sox would want for dye…..I would be thrilled with the move.
by cubsmania on Nov 13, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it won't be Dye...........
because like you said………he’s a RH bat
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dye is in his late thirties but I'd love to try him out
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
Dye will be 35 next summer, not “his late 30’s”.
You’re doing this for one year. What’s the downside?
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by Al on Nov 13, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is he available?
Or who should the Cubs part with to get him?
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Nov 13, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats the ultimate question...
I have no clue what the sox would ask the cubs for dye……
by cubsmania on Nov 13, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is definitely available...
… one of the Chicago papers today said the Sox are shopping him.
I bet they’d take Ryan Theriot and prospects.
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by Al on Nov 13, 2008 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
overall
if you stay rh in Rf……….why not play dero there and get Roberts for 2B? Is Dye significantly better as a full time RF than derosa?
by plenz on Nov 13, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
dye is a better hitter than derosa…I don’t know that theres any difference in their fielding……I just don’t see the cubs ever getting roberts(price seems high, and the cubs seemed to have so much trouble last year) and now the orioles are saying they want to sign roberts long term.
by cubsmania on Nov 13, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lou wants a LHH.
I’ve always thought Dye was a good hitter, though.
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by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so u think dempster...
will pass up the 5 years and 70 million he may get for 4 years 40 million from the cubs………dont think theres that much of a hometown discount in line
by cubsmania on Nov 13, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dempster is worth more than 4-40
kyle lohse got 4-41
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by fischisgod on Nov 13, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
I think the cubs would do good to get dempster for 4 years 50-55 million
by cubsmania on Nov 13, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crikey, that's a lot of bagels.
But, yeah, it’s gonna take at least four years. I’d love to see three and an option, but I doubt that’ll happen.
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by dat cubfan daver on Nov 13, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I might have been wrong with the numbers
but I bet that Dempster and Dunn///Abreu will be Cubs this time next week
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster won't even take 4 years $50M.
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by D98 on Nov 13, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to see Kerry go
But I agree that it makes more sense to offer him arbitration than negotiate a multi-year deal.
Would you have traded Ceda for a first-round pick and a sandwich pick? I would have, and since only big-market, successful clubs will probably bid for Wood, that may well be what we get (so long as the team doesn’t sign a better free agent).
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by zambranofan on Nov 13, 2008 4:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He could still get offered arbitration if he doesn't sign elsewhere.
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by Al on Nov 13, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would
melt my face off…no way that happens
by StevenABQ on Nov 13, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bring Wood back!
Put him and Gregg at the back of the bullpen, one as closer and one as a replacement for Howry.
by Snake Plisskin on Nov 13, 2008 7:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
May still happen.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Nov 14, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cards fan here
rivalry aside,
What kind of money do you think someone will give Kerry? I ask because I don’t always keep up with the numbers but I keep reading how StL would like Fuentes but are loathe to break the bank. Do you think Wood could be had cheaper?
I’ve never really minded Wood, and think he might be a good fit to replace Izringhausen if Tony doesn’t think rooks Perez and Motte are ready. Just curious…
Bummer that so many of you rank him as your favorite Cub. That’s how I felt when Jimmy was moved to the Pads. Although, it worked out for us I guess. Sucks to see a long tenured fan favorite go.
by paposse on Nov 14, 2008 9:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
You can’t sign Wood. He’s asking for $100 million over 4 years. Besides, I’ll kill myself if the Cards sign him.
by McRipper on Nov 14, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good question
By my count there are more name-brand closers available than there are big-money teams looking to sign one. Seems like someone will get a deal.
by Cubinator on Nov 14, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope that is sarcasm
when you say that he is looking for $100 Million of 4 years. Brad Lidge, arguably the best closer in the game, certainly in the top 3, signed a 3 year 37 million during the last season. If you think any team would pay 60 million more for one more year, your insane. C.C. is going to be offered the highest contract ever at about 142 million, and hes a starter (the best available) and the Yanks are overpaying because they can and to keep him away from Cali. 4 YEARS 100 MILLION??? i have been laughing out loud this entire time because that is so funny.
by KButler on Nov 14, 2008 3:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wood
exactly,ouch.i,d bring kerry back on a 1 yr. if the stories are true about lou then that explains why he runs little carlos out everyday.i think thats why marmol was having trouble last summer. overuse.still there,s no better mgr out there for the cubs than sweet lou.
by NOMAR on Nov 15, 2008 5:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gregg>Wood for the Cubs
People need to lay off Gregg, It’s not his fault that he’s replacing Wood. It’s Hendry’s for poor payroll management. Please do NOT boo him unless he sucks it up. He does not need more pressure on him. We want him to do well.
Payroll is what it is…and it can only stay in the 140 mill range. All of the bats and pitcher sneeded will cost $$$. Bringing in Gregg (though horrible to give up Ceda…also done can’t go back) saves 6 mill at least even if Wood would take 1 yr. 10 mill.
Gregg while in Folorida (bigger ballpark) only had 1 bad month last year. and He is no Joe Borowski at least.
We need that 6 mill
by Bleeding Cubbie Blue on Nov 16, 2008 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
How do you know that $6 million is the difference?
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by Al on Nov 16, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It will be at least 4 mil...
…and it could be as high as 5 or 6. Wood was a way to find money and I don’t think he will be the only established player that goes bye bye if Hendry is dead set on getting either Peavy/Dempster and adding a LH bat.
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by MPH73 on Nov 16, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly so...
… unless the rumor from Baseball Prospectus is true (i.e. that Wood would eventually return on a low-rent contract for one year).
I don’t think the Cubs are getting Peavy AND Dempster. It’s one or the other, not both.
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by Al on Nov 16, 2008 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I meant...
…either Peavy or Dempster, but no way both.
Maybe the Cubs are just fooling everyone with Wood and making us feel like he is gone. Then, they announce they have agreed to a one year deal and that puts everyone in a good mood so they can raise ticket prices.
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by MPH73 on Nov 16, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't put that past them.
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by Al on Nov 17, 2008 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be less about a ruse to raise ticket prices
and more about Hendry playing his cards close to the vest, either to hold agents’ demands back or to give a smokescreen to other NL Central teams about what additions the Cubs are going to make or both.
The last two off-seasons, Hendry has been very open about what he hoped to get in the off-season. This year he has been a whole lot less clear.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 17, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe because he himself doesn't know yet.
The market really hasn’t set itself yet.
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by Al on Nov 17, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry at least knows what his payroll limit is.
We don’t. I’ve read figures in the 130s, the 140s, and even in the 150s.
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by DGU on Nov 17, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wood 10 mill for 1 year
Gregg made 2.5 last year prob 4ish in arbitration
by Bleeding Cubbie Blue on Nov 16, 2008 7:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
woody
last year the red sox wanted kerry.no such luck this yr.i think he,ll stay in the n.l.with either the brewers cards or mets interested.will be strange to see kerry in a new uni.
by NOMAR on Nov 22, 2008 6:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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