The End Of The Kerry Wood Era
This afternoon, the Cubs traded Jose Ceda to the Marlins for Kevin Gregg.
I'm not thrilled with this deal as Gregg is a mid-level closer who had two decent, but not outstanding, seasons as the Marlins' 9th inning pitcher the last two years. Gregg turns 31 in June and his K totals were down last year compared to 2007. The one thing he does well is not allow the long ball -- only three in 68.2 innings in 2008. One of those homers was the three-run jack that Daryle Ward hit to win this game on August 15 in Miami. Also, Gregg had knee problems that forced him to have surgery for left patellar tendinitis two weeks ago. He's supposed to be ready for spring training.
On the other hand, Kerry Wood's numbers were almost identical to Gregg's last year -- except he issued fewer walks. Unfortunately, this trade apparently means the end of Kerry Wood's tenure as a Cub, said GM Jim Hendry in a conference call:
"We felt it was time Kerry goes out and does what is best for him and his family and get a huge multiyear deal, if possible," Hendry said. "This is really the right thing to do. We’ve had some really honest conversations in the last week. We don’t have to get into how much I think of him, but at the same time I don’t think we could do for him right now what he deserves and what I think he’ll get going elsewhere."
I guess I understand this -- that article also says that the Cubs are looking to keep Ryan Dempster and add a lefthanded hitter, and although payroll is apparently going to be increased, there appear to be some limits to this.
The problem I have is that Kerry Wood is the face of the franchise. He has been loyal to the Cubs far beyond what most players would have done in similar situations, and the Cubs returned that loyalty by keeping him a year ago when he could have had a larger deal elsewhere. Many of you think I make too much out of clubhouse chemistry, but Kerry Wood was one of the leaders of this team, someone others, not just pitchers, looked up to. Who's the face of the franchise now? Bat-breaking Carlos Zambrano? Quiet Derrek Lee? Maybe Geovany Soto could step up in a couple of years, but it seems a bit early for that. I'm very sad that Wood, who is one of my favorite players, is going to be in another uniform next year -- and the team 90 miles to the north in Milwaukee is looking for a closer and I'm guessing Doug Melvin would love nothing more than to stick it to the Cubs by offering Wood a three or four year deal.
Now wouldn't you hate that? The thought of Wood in a Brewers uniform makes me sick. Let's hope some American League team -- the Angels, maybe, who might lose K-Rod -- will sign him and we won't have to worry about that.
As far as the deal itself, I hope that Carlos Marmol will now be given the full chance to take the closer's spot, with Gregg as his setup man, and someone who could step in if Marmol fails -- I don't expect that, I think Marmol is ready to close in the major leagues. I'm not that thrilled with losing Jose Ceda, but he has pitched only half a season above A ball and I suspect the Cubs didn't think he had harnessed his command yet. Maybe Ceda will become a good major league pitcher, but that could be two or three years away (though the way the Marlins promote their minor leaguers, maybe sooner).
This is a sad day in Cubs history as they part ways with someone who has been exemplary in every way, as a ballplayer and a human being. I will miss him.
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A sad day indeed....
it seemed like Woody would always have the good ole blue pinstripes
Recipe for being a Cubs fan:
1) Faith
by cubswgnrocks on Nov 13, 2008 4:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yep :(
On a positive note Kerry Wood jersey’s not 1/2 price!
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by digitalbenjamin on Nov 13, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I will buy one
to immortalize him in my cub gear.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 13, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Retiring Mine
I will now officially retire my Wood jersey from the rotation. A sad, sad, sad day.
by TheHawk5 on Nov 13, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who else is in your rotation?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 13, 2008 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a Sosa I still wear...
…“Greatest Cub Ever” – Ernie Banks
(argument for another day)
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 13, 2008 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't think he is gone. I think he'll end up signing a deal with the Cubs for less years...
and slightly less money.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Nov 13, 2008 4:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hope against hope that you are right.
But I suspect it’s done.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say the same thing,
but I think it’s false hope. I don’t see Hendry playing those types of games with Wood
I'm finally moving on...
by slocs55 on Nov 13, 2008 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this deal should have been handled differently...
…but what’s done is done.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 13, 2008 4:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
More about Wood: it’s odd the way Hendry put it. Maybe Wood would have come back for less than a bigtime deal, but we don’t know that, all we know is that the two of them had honest discussions. Hendry probably put forth what the Cubs were willing to do — and maybe Wood said he wanted more security, more years. I’m guessing he would have taken less money, but we’ll never know now.
I know it’s a business and I realize sometimes teams move on. It’s still a sad day.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This has to be very hard on Hendry
This has to be very hard on Hendry.
Let’s hope Kerry goes to the AL.
I hope wherever he goes a warm reception awaits him when he returns to Wrigley if we play his new team.
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 13, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Hendry did Wood a favor...
He told the whole world that the cubs are not going to pursue him. If the world really thought that the cubs would sign him, how serious would the other offers had been. Maybe the teams who would have offered him the highest pay day would have focued on Fuentes/K Rod. Now, they know that the can seriously pursue Wood.
Also, For Hendry…lets assume he was okay with a 2 or 3 year deal for Woody…don’t you think if Woody came back and said, all I can get is 3 years 30 million…If you give me 2 and 25 or 2 and 20, I will take it.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Nov 14, 2008 8:15 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 14, 2008 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think your right...
…as Hendry was doing what he could to help maintain Wood’s value with other teams. We’ll see what he gets, and I’m guessing it will be 3 years guaranteed at about 8 mil per year.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 14, 2008 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If that's all...
… he gets, why wouldn’t the Cubs have paid it? That’s not that much more than Gregg will get in arbitration.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 14, 2008 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He may get 10 mil per...
…but I doubt it, not with the history of injury.
I really think with what the glaring holes are, Hendry knows he is going to be tight with the dollars. If he can save a few mil here or there, it could be the difference in getting what the club most needs.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 14, 2008 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they will...
Maybe the Market for him shapes up to be what the Cubs wanted to pay him. Maybe by letting him explore the market a little, his asking price will be more inline with what the cubs wanted to offer him.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Nov 14, 2008 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you're right about Gregg's salary
he’s an even worse “bargain” than I thought.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 14, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my point.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 14, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Still surprised Ceda is only worth a Gregg
I’ve made my thoughts known about what I thought about Ceda and think he’ll turn out to be nothing more than a Roberto Novoa but I’m still a little surprised his return was only Gregg.
Some people thought he was the Cubs best pitching prospect in the system and had him in top 3 of overall prospects. WHat does that say about the Cubs prospects?
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 14, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
that I have ever been more depressed by a baseball decision before. I read the headline last night and couldn’t believe it.
The fact that I don’t know what to think about Gregg doesn’t help either.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Nov 14, 2008 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This does not surprise me whatsoever
As a matter of fact, I believe we had a discussion about the inevitibility of this move on another fanpost and some thought he’d take less years and less money to stay with the Cubs. I thought that idea was frivolous. That if the years and money were close, then I could maybe see him staying in the City he loves and the place where his family has been raised, but that’s obviously not the case.
It’s obvious that this situation played out exactly as I speculated it would in that fanpost. That Hendry said to Kerry that unfortunately that the Cubs were not willing or able to offer Kerry a 3 or 4 year deal, one in which he’ll certainly will be offered in FA and Kerry just could not turn down the security and the millions of dollars difference of the Cubs offer. Loyalty only goes so far.
I absolutely agree with you Al that this is a big loss to the Cubs as a team and the Cub fans who idolized Kerry. Not only did he give a lot to the organization and to the fans and did all he could to bring a World Series to the Cubs, but he was great for the community and his benevolence will very much be missed. He indeed was the face of the Chicago Cubs.
It will be sad when Spring Training rolls around and there will be no Kerry Wood. There definitely will be a void there, not to see him in the dugout, bantering with the fans. He will certainly be missed.
This team that didn’t has been searching for it’s identity the last couple seasons, just lost it’s most repsected and adulated player and it is still a very sad day for me.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 14, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Wood, but...
…I’m sure we’ll all be applauding Hendry when Kerry’s shoulder begins acting up again. From a business perspective, I think it’s the right move. So long Kerry, I wish you the best!
"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields
by calicubfan on Nov 13, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I quit the Cubs
I know, it sounds like the typical crybaby rant. Maybe part of it is. I realize baseball is a business. But for me as a fan, it’s about the guys that put on the uniform every day. And I have a special love for the guys that “get it,” like Kerry has for the past 14 years. He took less money last year. He fought back from the abyss the year before. He did everything he was supposed to for this franchise, and this is what happens? Kicked to the curb because we can’t afford him?
I’ve wanted to quit being a Cub fan sooooo many times the past 30+ years, but have never come this close. Kerry’s my 2nd favorite Cub of all-time. I’ll never forget being at Wrigley (having come all the way from San Diego to be there) and seeing him come in to close out the division championship. I hope I have the will power for that to be my last good memory as a Cub fan.
by paulucla on Nov 13, 2008 4:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly kicked to the curb...
He is going to make more money, and get more years than we could offer.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 13, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have fun being a dodger's fan
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Nov 14, 2008 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you survived the '08 postseason...
…but are giving up the ghost because Kerry Wood isn’t coming back? Interesting. So what now? Stamp collecting? Trainspotting?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 14, 2008 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew I should have stopped being a Cubs fan
in 1974 when Ron went cross-town. Damn, I would have had a much happier life, these last 34 years.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 14, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is simply...
the natural evolution of baseball. Older players move on, and youth will ultimately be served. I’ll miss Kerry, but it’s very encouraging that the Cubs can have a high-profile player walk, and have a capable farmhand available to replace him.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 13, 2008 4:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sigh...
… I’m afraid you’re right. The value of Kerry Wood to this franchise, however, transcends his abilities on the field. That’s what they are going to miss.
They had better sign Ryan Dempster now, or the inmates are going to be running the asylum like in 2004, and it won’t be pretty.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lou ain't Dusty..
but I see your point.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 13, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wrote that specifically thinking that.
Lou won’t let it happen to the extent that Dusty did. But every manager needs good clubhouse leaders. I only hope the Cubs still have some.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Geo could fill that role well
All generalizations are false.
by Emelie on Nov 13, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You may very well be right.
Let’s hope he steps up and does that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al,
sorry, hit the return button too fast. You wrote exactly what I was thinking before, this team needs more leaders, and we get rid of the one we got. Say what you will about him v gregg stat wise, Gregg is not Kerry Wood, and never will be.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He does seem
to have that quality with the pitchers so it seems natural he could with the others on the team too.
by sue369 on Nov 13, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
there will///should be an uproar if Dempster doesn’t resign with us. Seriously, he is the main reason we aren’t going to resign Kerry Wood, everyone knows that. Hendry better get this done or I will be even more pissed
To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!
by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Woody loves Chicago
I hope he doesn’t go away and stay.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he will move
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 13, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think she might mean
She hopes he doesn’t go to the White Sox
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that.
(He would look bizarre in black). But I meant it in a “he’ll still be around” thing.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jenks
The Sox have a very capable closer.
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 13, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jenks traded to the Mets, Kerry signs with the Sox...
I just threw up in my mouth typing that.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here Here (or is it hear)
Nicely done.
I doubt the Brewers will get in on Wood, I would imagine they’ve learned their lesson after Sheets.
My guesses: Mets, Rangers, Angels
The Prior/Wood era is officially over, all the Maddux/Glavine scenes dancing through our heads 6 years ago can officially be put to rest.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 13, 2008 4:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I really hope it's not the Mets...
I really don’t want to have to burn effigies of Woody in my yard, which I feel compelled to do with every other Met.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 13, 2008 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well they need a closer...
So its him, Fuentes or Krod…..so its up to Omar. If he’s smart he’d go for Krod b/c of his consistent record, but closers are just so overrated, well maybe more so the “save” so I cant see how you can justify paying a closer north of 10M
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 13, 2008 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
It’s one of the few areas where strategy in Fantasy is mostly applicable in real baseball: never overpay for a closer. You’ll almost always be able to salvage someone to get the job done (well…usually).
(And yes, I beg for everyone’s forgiveness. That will be last time I ever reference fantasy when talking about real baseball :))
by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 13, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But Wagner will be back next year after TJ
would they really get a closer for a long term deal when they’re expecting him back?
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When Wagner went down
WFAN in NYC called it his career
by leothelip on Nov 13, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I hadn’t heard anything like that. I mean. I know its TJ… but its comeback-from-able.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wagner isn't a spring chicken, though
I think he’s probably done
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
I haven’t been paying attention much to baseball. Just the last I heard was that the Mets weren’t going to overhaul their pen fr some reason (saw the headline didn’t read)…
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That 'pen is beyond overhauling
They need to blow it up and start over. It was awful.
I pay a lot of attention to the Mets because they are the team that I have in my local little Strat-O-Matic league. Their ‘pen flat-out sucks, and that’s putting it nicely.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I know it does
I was just vaguely remembering the article i saw the other day. but frankly I wasn’t ready to think baseball yet, so i didn’t read.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You turned a blind eye to it . . . ?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
i do have one of those!! bout time the lazy bum came in handy.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the kind of fun I've missed!
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was that a badger-y way of saying
you missed me? :-P
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't that transparent enough?
Of course I did!
By the way — a blind AND lazy eye? How much can one be expected to endure?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
:-P
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Loves me some Charlie Brown
Even though Schulz grew up in Minnesota and moved to California, Charlie’s gotta be a Cub.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Love Charlie Brown
I played Lucy when we put on “you’re a good man, charlie brown” in high school.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you mentioned that once
Odd, because you really seem more like Sally.
Madison Cub Fan strikes me as a Lucy type. (I keed, I keed)
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
but i’m so lucy.
you see my nice side because you’re a good guy. lucy is my default though.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, shucks.
I am pretty sure that I wouldn’t want to piss you off, though . . . .
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i get that a lot
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's always the sweet, quiet ones
That really raise hell!
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think about
her fiestyness, I could see her as Lucy. btw I’ve also missed you cubbiegirl.
But I must admit, yep I could be Lucy
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 13, 2008 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and, as we all know from Gagne,
injury and closer don’t go well together
by stadiumguru on Nov 13, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was the smart move
“Face of the ballclub” as Al states? Therein perhaps lies the problem. The face of the ballclub was an oft-injured, oft-unreliable pitcher. For as great a professional and gentleman that Kerry Wood is (and he is) I find it actually refreshing that the Cubs are permitting objective analysis to outweigh sentimentality. For too long the Cubs (and Jim Hendry) have lived in denial about certain players. Today was a black and white decision on what is in the best interest of the ballclub. While sad to see Wood go I vigorously applaud Hendry.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 4:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He was reliable last year as a closer.
Except for the blister, which can happen to anyone.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al, look at his history
In good conscious it is not the wise decision to hand him a three or four year contract in the neighborhood he believes he is entitled. The Cubs have spent way, way too many dollars on way, way too much downtime and disappointing healthy time from Wood. Plus I am of the opinion Hendry has concern for his current health status.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"conscience"
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry made the right move
Marmol is our closer of the future. He has earned this. Wood is too injury prone. He is too wild and walks far too many guys. Wood blew 6 saves and could have easily blown 10, plus he missed a month of the season.
by sanks on Nov 13, 2008 5:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Walks too many guys?
Which stats are YOU looking at? He walked 18 in 66.1 innings. The guy we got, Kevin Gregg, walked 37 in 68.2 innings.
Want to rephrase that?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Lidge aside, very few closers are perfect.
Kerry had a good first year as a closer – and I’ll think he’ll continue to be a good one. That said, the Cubs made a strategic decision to allocate dollars elsewhere and, though I’m just as sad as everyone else to see Woody go, I understand that decision.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 14, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the Post Al.
I’m really upset with this. I know Wood has had his problems, but like a married couple, the team and him fought through it all and now he appears to be healthy. So what do the Cubs do? They let him go.
Regardless of the cons… there are a lot of pros with having Wood on this team. I am worried about next season because Wood is a gamer, and though we have a lot of talent on this team, we do not have much in that bulldog attitude department.
We need more players like Wood last season in the playoffs.
by TheHawkRules on Nov 13, 2008 5:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Al
It seemed like Wood walked more than that. I know every time he walked a leadoff hitter or hit the leadoff we ended up losing, Gregg should setup Marmol.
by sanks on Nov 13, 2008 5:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs lost two games when Kerry hit the leadoff batter of an inning.
Maybe that’s what you are thinking of.
I agree with you, Gregg should be a setup man. Or maybe flipped to another team.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I thought Gregg would have been flipped to the Pads for Peavy
but I thought at the time Wood would resign. With his departure, I think it is safe to say that Peavy coming to the Cubs is NOT happening
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meh...I am just so frustrated right now
This offseason is going to SUCK.
We lose Wood and Ceda essentially in exchange for Gregg.
We’ll probably sign Dunn or Abreu
we’ll resign Dempster for an expensive contract and he’ll probably not be nearly as good next year..
Prove me wrong Hendry, but I am so frustrated with his plans so far this offseason..
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by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 5:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yep
1. I said it in the other post Wood and Ceda for Gregg+6M = puke in my mouth
2. I like Dunn, but word on the steet has been Ibanez. Ibanez in RF = puke in my mouth
3. I like Demp and all, but I’m afraid you are probably right 4y 52-56M is my guess = no puke, just apprehensive about how it will end.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And two draft picks.
A first-round draft pick? And closers are the sorts of things you don’t see teams in the bottom of the league (read: with protected first round picks) invest in often. (Except the Reds.)
by cwyers on Nov 13, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
End of an Era
What’s really sad about this is that it is a salary dump, plain and simple. Can you see a Mark Cuban run Cubs team making this move? As much as I don’t like Cuban, I think he would write the check. There’s not another player in baseball who has as much class as Woody. I’m very concerned about who is going to fill that void in the clubhouse. Gregg is a replacement for Bob Howry, not Kerry Wood. Not by a long shot.
Good luck, Woody. You’ll be missed. Whoever is lucky enough to sign you will get much more than just a baseball player.
by WelcomeToTheFukudome on Nov 13, 2008 5:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen the Tribco financials recently?
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 13, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can only write so many checks...
…and the Cubs have been doing a lot of that lately. At some point, a GM is going to have to make decisions like this, that may involve doing what is best for the team, but means letting go of a fan favorite. Knowing the financial resources are not unlimited, this was the right move to dedicate those resources where they need to be.
I have a great deal of respect for Wood, but this was the right baseball move to help the club.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So we should...
just blame this all on Jason Marquis!…hey I’m all for that.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blame whomever...
…but Hendry has burned through a lot of dough and no-trade clauses in the last couple of years. With the limited chips in the minors to acquire players, this was bound to limit what he could do at some point, and we have hit that point.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Help the Club?
Gregg for Wood, help the Club, only $$$$ wise. Thats it. To free up money to sign Demp, goodness. This did not help the club.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Nov 13, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Been a while
Hey gang! I took my “break” and have now turned the page looking forward to the 09 season! Hoping for a busy offseason
Sad news about Woody, but I can see that Hendry has Wood’s best interest at heart
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Nov 13, 2008 5:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We can only look at this at face value...
…and it looks like a stupid non-deal from Hendry. The guy is one of the best in the biz, and he knows sure as shit Kerry has been beyond loyal to this team, and there’s probably no ONE player on a current Chicago sports team that is more respected, admired, or enjoyed. Stupid, stupid move.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Nov 13, 2008 5:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It was inevitable.
Marmol’s time is now. If they had signed Wood for 2 to 4 years, where would that leave Marmol. He’s ready to be a dominant closer, not in 2 to 4 years, but now.
Wood is a great human being and like most Cubs fans, I like him a lot and wish him well. But it’s time to move on, both for him and for the Cubs.
I just hope he doesn’t go to Milwaukee or St. Louis.
by Clark Addison on Nov 13, 2008 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and then...
in a few years we jettison Marmol because he is too expensive?
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no?
The Cubs have showed they are willing to pay for their superstars such as Lee, Ramirez, Zambrano.
Wood is just too expensive for the type of productivity he would put up. If Marmol proves himself as a closer further on down the line, I have no doubt the Cubs will pay him what he is worth.
by jeff_pico on Nov 13, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad
I’ll miss ya, Kerry. I hope the deal turns out OK for The Cubs.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Nov 13, 2008 5:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks !!!
Sums it up.
Kerry will be missed, what a shame if he’s not resigned
I've been bleeding double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Nov 13, 2008 5:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wearing my Kerry Wood #34 T-shirt to school tomorrow
meh…just got the damn thing too in October…
To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!
by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hate this trade
I want Kerry Wood to stay a Cub, plus I think Jose Ceda has a future. We saw him pitch this summer for Tennessee and while he was a little raw he was impressive. Anybody look at his stats?
by mlern on Nov 13, 2008 5:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can see trading someone like that...
… but not for Kevin Gregg.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reality
Huge sums of money paid since 1998 for an enigmatic, oft-injured and often frustrating when healthy pitcher. I’m going to miss Kerry Wood too. But today was a day about making the smart move.
98 13-6, 26 games, 3.40 ERA
99 DNP
00 8-7, 23 games, 4.80 ERA
01 12-6, 28 games, 3.36 ERA
02 12-11, 33 games, 3.66 ERA
03 14-11, 32 games, 3.20 ERA
04 8-9, 22 games, 3.72 ERA
05 3-4, 21 games, 4.23 ERA
06 1-2, 4 games, 4.12 ERA
07 1-1, 22 games, 3.33 ERA
08 5-4, 65 games, 3.26 ERA
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 5:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Naturally, you quote stats that don't tell the whole story.
Yes, we know he was hurt. But when he was healthy, he could be dominant. Did you forget about the 34 saves in 2008 — which he got despite missing a month?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's no reason to think that he's GOING to be healthy, though.
by cwyers on Nov 13, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly not for four years
pass.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 13, 2008 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
And those are likelly Henrdy’s feelings, too – he’s just too classy of a GM to say that about the player publicly.
I’ve been a critic of Henrdy more than once — I think he’s great with the relationships and sometimes lacking in talent evaluation. He’s not a complete idiot, though — I think he realizes Wood could very well have some great years left. But he evaluated objectively, and that was the right thing to do.
Clearly, Wood wasn’t budging from the 3-4 year request, or it wouldn’t have come to this.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The right thing to do...
would be to go back in time and give Dome’s money to Kerry.
by jbertram on Nov 13, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If it was that easy...
…we could all be a GM. Fact is, a lot of teams wanted Dome and at least one offered more money than the Cubs.
Also, even if they had more money to spend, I would not give Wood more than 2 years guaranteed at what the market will bear. In the end, I don’t think anyone will give him 4 guaranteed years, but will end up with 3.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we know for fact he wants 4 years?
There comes a time when a guy like Wood you make certain concessions, this was the time. Hell we don’t even know what Hendry offered. Was anyone in the room with them?
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Nov 13, 2008 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mixed reaction
It is clear that this is a baseball move over sentimetality, and I do agree with that. However, I’m not sure that Marmol is ready. He gets way too pumped sometimes, especially when the crowd is roaring. I hope he can get past that.
And yeah, Gregg doesn’t excite me.
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 5:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Very sad.
I feel like Woody and I have “grown up” together. His years here were my growing up period as a cub fan. I always figured there’d come a point when he wasn’t here anymore… but I figured it’d be a long time away.
Just wish they’d gotten someone better then Kevin Gregg out of losing Woody.
Bummer.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 5:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
Where have you been?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Around. Sorta.
Lotsa football and not vey talkative. :-P
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No matter where Kerry goes
He will always be the winner of the Cubs 10,000 victory.
by ak123 on Nov 13, 2008 5:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Here's hoping
… he’s not a Cardinal. That would be vile and disgusting.
by elgato on Nov 13, 2008 5:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Dude. Thats just low.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you been hanging around with plenz?
All generalizations are false.
by Emelie on Nov 13, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am thoroughly upset about this,.
WHY?
Kerry Wood sure as hell be better than Gregg. I don’t get the rationale at all.
Unless Wood expressed interest in wanting to play elsewhere this just boggles my mind.
Words can;t describe how upset I am over this. I dont care if I’m the only one that feels this way.
What a joke.
by EJThunder on Nov 13, 2008 5:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is about money
There’s no question. Hendry made it clear. What I’m wondering is whether this bleeds into other areas. What the Cubs did was save money by making the bullpen worse then last year. That’s not debatable.
Will they be going that direction in other areas? Will they match huge offers for Dempster? Are they players for Peavy? Who is this magical lefty bat that’s going to appear out of nowhere at no cost? Will the $136 million man lead off again next year?
by paulucla on Nov 13, 2008 5:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They had better sign Dempster after this.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or what?
I’m concerned we are staring back into the abyss of “yeah, we’re going to tighten the spending and what are you going to do about it?” They’ll sell out every game anyway.
by paulucla on Nov 13, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not a given if they increase ticket prices in this uncertain economy.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 14, 2008 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry has a close relationship with Wood, and said the move was made in the best interests of the right-hander, who finished fourth in the NL with 34 saves and figures to command a deal worth up to $50 million for four years on the free-agent market."
Are you serious? 50 million dollars? I know he might (or might not have) taken a discount, but how big of a discount would that actually have been? I might get flamed over this, but honestly, people here need to grow the hell up. 40 over 4 for Wood would still be crazy, considering he’ll only pitch about 70-80 innings a year.
I love him as a pitcher, and it stings, but shit, I’ll always care more about the Cubs winning than one individual player, regardless of their contribution to the team.
by NittanyCub on Nov 13, 2008 5:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but
the Cubs did not even try. They just said “no thanks.” Kerry may have been willing to accept a 3 year deal from the Cubs.
by paulucla on Nov 13, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
I just hope that Kerry SOMEHOW returns.
by EJThunder on Nov 13, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing
The only thing I could see happening is he doesn’t find a big time taker and calls Hendry before signing. I think he would.
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 13, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't sound like there's any bad blood......
so let’s hope he can somehow stick around.
by EJThunder on Nov 13, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't likely...
… but it’s not impossible.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have no idea if they tried or not. You're only assuming from what you read in articles,
and what they tell the press.
by NittanyCub on Nov 13, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And how do you know that?
Are we honestly to believe that there wasn’t significant contractual dialogue between them over the last few weeks? Seriously?
by Damen Jackson on Nov 13, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can only go by what Hendry said
which was that he had a meeting with them and said the Cubs had decided to go in a different direction. He never said anything about exploring any kind of deal.
by paulucla on Nov 13, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm extremely confident that
a deal was discussed.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 13, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hendry also said
“I don’t need to go into how much we love Woody here”.
Look. No one’s thrilled with idea of replacing Woody with Gregg, but you’re overreacting. Hendry doesn’t owe you an explaination of the non-deal.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess this means my dog really went to a dog farm when I was a kid.
I mean, if we’re only going by what people are saying.
by NittanyCub on Nov 13, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
There is no doubt in my mind that they had significant dialogue before the decision was made.
Why do people think that the general public is going to be privvy to all the negotiating details?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He and Kerry had dinner one night
last week and he’s talked with Kerry and his agent since then. We have no idea what they did or didn’t discuss. I’d be willing to bet they discussed everything with Kerry.
by sue369 on Nov 13, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure...
…Hendry and he had an honest man to man discussion. Hendry told him what he needed to do to improve the team for next year and what his priorities where. He probably said getting the starting staff set and adding a good LH bat were priorities 1 and 1A. And, this would mean he would not be in a position to pay him close to the same money he could make on the open market.
With the close relationship they have, Hendry wanted him to know that he understood he needed to capitalize on this contract opportunity, because it is likely to be his last chance to cash in.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they just said "no thanks"?
3 years is still too long with Woody’s history.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know they didn't try?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 14, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta say I'm surprised....
by some of the reaction over this. I mean, I’m sad to see Woody go. Woody was great (and a great human being) and I’m proud to say he was a Cub. I’ll defend him as a someone who had the talent to be a great pitcher (and would’ve been if his body had held up), instead of just a good (every once in a while /very good) pitcher when healthy.
But baseball teams need to do what’s best for the team on the field; not what makes us most sentimental to buy t-shirts. The only exception I’ve ever felt to that was Mark Grace, who I would’ve given wheelbarrows of money just to hang out in the dugout and tend a martini bar. But I also realized I was silly to feel that way.
Anyway, I’m surprised how sentimental people are over Woody, especially given that it often seemed like he was hurt as much as he was playing (and exaggeration I realize, but it often felt that way). Because I felt like that, it was hard for me ever to get extremely attached to him to the point of saying “Money be damned!”.
He’s a good guy. Glad we had the privilege of having him on the team, and best wishes towards his future (non NL central) success.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 13, 2008 6:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gotta agree with this
If the Cubs had a pitcher with stats identical to Woody but a different name, nobody would give 2 hoots about letting that player go.
We can’t give any player $50 million just for being a good guy.
by MadHatterBlues on Nov 13, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless...
He makes REALLY good martinis…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 13, 2008 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See, that's just it....
Kerry Wood, a leader, a great player, even with his past injuries, is 10 times more valuable than a regular player with the same stats.
Kerry is irreplaceable due to the fact that no one in that locker room has leadership qualities.
by EJThunder on Nov 13, 2008 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The old saying goes . . .
There are cemetaries full of irreplaceable people.
He’ll be missed, but this isn’t the end of the team.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo.
And FWIW, I wasn’t unhappy to see Mark Grace go — and that proved out when he dissed the Cubs after he got his ring.
Kerry Wood would never do that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if you'll check this post again, but...
Hey Al: I was wondering to what you were referring about Grace dissing the team? I remember him being vocal about the whole Sosa thing (and about how much the Cubs would’ve known), but was there other stuff?
At least on the Sosa stuff, he [Grace] in the end seemed to be proven right…or at least that’s what it seems like to me.
Anyway, just curious.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 14, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the AZ clubhouse celebration, Grace was interviewed
He said something to the effect of, “I wasn’t good enough to play first base for the Chicago Cubs, but I was good enough to play first base for the World Champions.”
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 14, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly correct.
Instead of just being happy with his ring, he had to take a cheap shot. I have no respect for Grace.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 14, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a bit of a messy divorce, though
I don’t disagree that he could have taken the high road. And the stories that I’ve heard about his Cub tenure in the last few years aren’t so great. But I do understand why he was upset.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 14, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And that leadership got the Cubs to how many World Series?
No one is arguing that Wood isn’t a good player and a good person but Hendry doesn’t think he is worth what he and his agent think he can get. I agree with Hendry.
by rlpete on Nov 13, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's completely inaccurate....
Hendry didn’t say that Wood wanted more money than he was worth.
Wood deserves more money than the Cubs are able to spend.
by EJThunder on Nov 13, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure
Of course, Hendry will spin this in a positive light. Hendry isn’t going to come out and say that he disagrees with the demands. That is the smart thing unlike the Pads and Hoffman.
by rlpete on Nov 13, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seniority
He was the longest serving Cub and that comes with some leadership.
He’s obviously a fan favorite. That adds more leadership qualities.
Hendry is making the right baseball decision.
by jeff_pico on Nov 13, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tenure doesn't equal leadership
I’m not saying he didn’t have it, but that isn’t a strong argument.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You also have to take into account what he did off the field in the clubhouse too....
As Al stated, Woody was/is one (if the THE only) leader in that clubhouse. Guys looked up to him. You can’t always go by stats.
When you take into account everything that IS Kerry Wood, Woody makes Kevin Gregg look like Todd Van Poppel.
Who the hell does that now? Who is the authority from a players standpoint in that locker room?
It isn’t Lee.
It isn’t Ramirez.
It isn’t Zambrano.
Not Soriano.
Maybe we can re-sign Jose Macias and he’ll be the team’s clubhouse leader?
by EJThunder on Nov 13, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how much?
How much are you willing to pony up for ‘leadership’?
$10 mil a year? $15? more than $15 mil?
Wood is going to get a HUGE contract.
Baseball wise Gregg can do the same job for $2.5 mil a year.
Unfortunately baseball as a business rears its ugly head now and then :(
by jeff_pico on Nov 13, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone tell me what Wood did that is so much of a leader?
I never got the impression that he was that outspoken in the clubhouse. Did he call out players when they weren’t performing? A closer as team leader is a bit unusual.
by rlpete on Nov 13, 2008 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Calling out players isn't the only mark of leadership.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree but other than
“Leadership By Example” how does he lead. Do players look to him when things aren’t going well? Does he lighten up the clubhouse? Does he try to deflect the media scrunity?
I’m not saying he isn’t a leader but I’ve never really considered him a leader. In fact, it seemed like some of the blame for this year’s failure was that there wasn’t anyone to help get the team relaxed and ready to play. Seeing a closer in that role is a bit unusual. In fact, I thought Dempster was more of a team leader than Wood.
by rlpete on Nov 13, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know the answer to that.
There is anecdotal evidence that he is a player others look up to. I don’t have any statistics for this, if that’s what you are looking for, because no such statistics exist.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some antedotal evidence was all I was expecting
Obviously leadership statistics don’t exist. I wasn’t trying to be difficult with the question but I never saw him as team leader. Closers usually aren’t. That’s why I asked.
by rlpete on Nov 13, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say Wood's leadership lies in how he battled through injury
It would have been far easier for Kerry to bag the whole thing 2 years ago, when he didn’t know if his arm would respond to surgery.
Instead, he worked his butt off to get back and help the team, as he did when he had other injuries. He never used an injury as an excuse, and I think is where he developed into a leader in the clubhouse.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 14, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing is
that Kerry really understands the history of this franchise, more than any other current player. He has seen the true highs and lows, and been probably the biggest player in the “transformation” over the past 10 years and the rise in expectations.
Another thing is that it seemed he had that “old school” feel that the players of the 80s and early 90s had. He was that link to Grace and Ryno.
Not that this is all a big deal, but I think it’s important in terms of team leadership.
by stadiumguru on Nov 13, 2008 6:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As a fan of the Portland Trailblazers...
I’m not one to dismiss the importance of team leadership and having “good guys” on your team. But Hendry has to be realistic and work through what financials make the most sense. I mean, based on his performance last year, if Woody can command a bigger contract than the Cubs can responsibly offer, then the best course for everyone is to let Woody go where he gets what he is owed. It would be pretty silly to ignore our budget at the expense of meeting the team’s needs; and it would be selfish of Cub fans to demand we pay Woody less than he can get just because we like the guy.
There’s only one way forward that makes sense for everybody…and Hendry took it.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 13, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true,
but I still think something could have been worked out, especially since Wood had a good year last year, and has given the Cubs the “hometown discount” in the past.
by stadiumguru on Nov 13, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and now that he's shown his arm is still attached
he’s probably resistant to doing a short deal and wants some stability so that he doesn’t have to do this every offseason.
Sounds like a mutual break-up to me. And just like when any good relationship runs its course, it sucks.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true,
I guess I’m just a little bitter.
by stadiumguru on Nov 13, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we're all a little unhappy
it sucks. and Gregg doesn’t seem overly impressive to me. But Hendry has earned the benefit of the doubt from me for now.
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good point,
we have to give Hendry the benefit of the doubt
by stadiumguru on Nov 13, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1000
It’s part of the business. Hendry had to make a brave call.
I’m just heartbroken and cannot believe that Kerry Wood may no longer be a Cub, even though I knew we’d probably never see him again when that hellish post-season ended.
I will miss that big tall Texan boy who became a great man among our team.
Woody will always be a Cub to me. Kerry, I hope you’ll be back but you’ve got a lot of horses under your hood yet. Whether with the Cubs or someone else, run free and strong and all the best to you is wished from this Cubs fan ..
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Nov 13, 2008 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This day
This day will go down as truly a sad day in Cubs history. I haven’t felt this emotional over a departure since Ryno left.
Thank you Kerry for the great memories.
Thank you for alwas being at the fan events and being a pleasure to meet.
Thank you for all you did for the community.
Chicago lost a great contributor to the community today as well. Guys if everything he does in the community made the paper they;d have to have a paper just for that.
I feel like someone has taken my heart out and kicked it and stuffed it back in and then punched me in the stomach.
But from a baseball standpoint I’m waiting to see what else happens. I have full confidence in Marmol replacing Kerry in the closer role I’m more worried about Marmol’s role.
And ironically if I were to switch who’s other wife I’d be on the current roster it would be Ryan Dempster.
I predict he goes to Texas. And if they get their hometown boy can we get Tony Romo?
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 13, 2008 6:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Your first 6 mini-paragraphs is how I feel. Ryno is the best comparison, at least for me. I wish I could just have a day or so for this to soak in and not have to read all the other stuff about who’s going to close and good or bad. This is just a sad day.
For all the injuries and all the money he made you never heard him bitch, you never saw him act like a spoiled brat, you never saw him show anyone up on the field. After those nasty balls he was capable of throwing for strike three, he hung his head and walked to the dugout. He took less money to stay and that’s what we wish all our heroes would do not matter who they play for.
I for one will miss him a lot.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Nov 13, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great couple of posts guys
I agree completely and thank you for expressing it. It’s a sad day in Cub history.
by paulucla on Nov 13, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To me
Wood was one of the greatest examples of honor in the game. He didn’t go out to get the biggest contract (even though he could have years ago). He didn’t feel like the game owed him anything (like some other players that seem to act as if the game owes them the biggest contract possible), but that he owed the game and the Cubs.
I will miss Wood, not only because he was an exceptional pitcher who had a string of bad luck, but because he is a fabulous person and should be an example to all the young players coming into the game.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Nov 14, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The way I feel, it's almost as if this is an obituary.
Man…. am I caught up in this.
by EJThunder on Nov 13, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kerry
Leaving the Cubs as a closer has always been a good career move.
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 13, 2008 6:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess the "I Love Wood" tat I have is going to get a different kind of reception now
by NittanyCub on Nov 13, 2008 6:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
haha.
That would depend on what part of town you’re in.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 13, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or where it is
haha
"Next year" sucks.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Nov 13, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At first I was very surprised by this
My first thought was this is the first time since we starting spending all that money on the backloaded contracts, that we weren’t able financially, to resign somene we wanted.
However after thinking about everything, I think it was the smart decision.
Consider this:
-He’s going to command huge dollars over 4 years.
-He’s getting up there in age.
-He has been injury prone. One season does not convince me yet.
-But most importantly, we have our closer of the future waiting in the wings, who will probably be BETTER. I imagine some of the “honest discussion” Hendry and Wood had talked about how Marmol was going to be the closer in 2009 regardless.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Nov 13, 2008 6:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Marmol...
I’m not totally convinced he has the temperment to be a closer…
While I hope he does, that period last year where he looked like a deer in headlights every pitch doesn’t make me feel real confident. Afterall, closing is usually more about what’s in your head than what’s in your arm (if Rod Beck is any indication…)
Of course, he’s also lights-out at times, so who knows…Fingers crossed I guess. And anyway, most closers seem to think it’s their job to make games more interesting and thereby shorten all our lives.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 13, 2008 6:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll miss Kerry Wood to death
…and I seem to be the only one on BCB who thinks that Gregg can pitch (he pitching with an ingury in August).
“Gregg had a 10.13 ERA for August, but it was under 2.00 for every other month, including seven scoreless innings in September after he lost the closer job. He had 72 appearances and held batters to a .203 average.”
Source: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8790750/Cubs-land-Gregg-in-deal-with-Marlins
by leothelip on Nov 13, 2008 6:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
to follow my own
Kerry’s splits reveal a 1.50 ERA in April, 2.70 in May, 0.82 in June (impressive), 9.00 in July, 0.82 again in August, and 6.75 in September. For the year, batters hit .247 off of him
He’s my favorite Cub of his generation, but. . .
by leothelip on Nov 13, 2008 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the difference between Kevin Gregg and Michael Wuertz?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That -
and that Wuertz is a better pitcher.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously?
Wuertz pitched at AAA most of last year, Gregg was closing in the majors.
by jeff_pico on Nov 13, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gregg walks batters like nobody's business.
Wuertz pitched at AAA because Lou didn’t like his lack of command. Just wait till he sees Gregg’s command.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 13, 2008 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
10 years from now...
will Kerry’s number be on one of the poles? As far as “greatness” he doesn’t come close to the others that are already there. But sentimentally speaking, he’s right up there with them in my opinion.
by kanderber on Nov 13, 2008 6:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would say he belongs up there
No more than the Hawk or Shawon Dunston do (neither of whom I’d put up there, even though I loved watching both of them play).
by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 13, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I forgot Dawson in my post below
He’d be the most deserving of the “contemporary” Cubs
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I forgot Grace
Which is funny, since in another post I noted that he was my hero as a kid… go figure :)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 13, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
You still pegged the better overall player, I think.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are absolutely drowning in the nostalgia of your childhood.
Putting Dawson, Grace of Wood up there would cheapen the HOF (and in Santo’s case, HOF worthy) career accomplishments – almost entirely with the Cubs by the way – of the guys who are up there. Ryno’s the only Cub of the past quarter century that should be up there – case closed. The rest is just weepy sentimentality.
by the nth on Nov 13, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey
Hey don’t say Dawson would cheapen the HOF
The way the guy played the game he wouldn’t cheaten the HOF one iota.
In the end it will be the injuries that keep him out of the hall and thats a shame :(
by jeff_pico on Nov 13, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think The Hawk needs a HOF look....
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 13, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I said guys whose career accomplishments
were mostly with the Cubs. Most of Dawson’s finest years were played in Canada.
by the nth on Nov 14, 2008 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He became much more well-known as a Cub
And your original comment was still condescending.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 14, 2008 7:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you actually read the mini-thread?
My guess is no, because if you had, you’d realize that we were explaining why Kerry Wood’s number isn’t getting retired. None of the players we mentioned will get that honor.
And no one mentioned the HOF.
But, thanks for setting us straight.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
It would help if people actually used their reading comprehension skills before making asinine comments…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 14, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired of this leadership abilities crap.
Unless you spend every day with a team, you have no idea who the leaders really are. Some that are called the leaders in the press are just self-promoters or guys who seems sort of badass. Others that people perceive as leaders are just rah rah fist pumpers who are disliked by their teammates.
I know someone who played with Will Clark on the Giants and he says he was seen as the team leader by everyone other than actual members of the team. But the Giants fans loved him and saw him as the leader of the late 80s-early 90s teams. By the way, Clark fit into the rah rah fist pump and self-promoter categories. Many of his teammates thought he was a total asshat. He says the same went for Gary Carter. Fans loved him and would have followed him into a fire. His teammates saw him as a shameless self-promoter. I’m not saying these guys weren’t good, they just weren’t team leaders.
I share a friend with Kerry Wood and have been lucky enough to have dinner with him a couple of times. He’s a very nice guy. I can’t tell you from those meals, however, if he is a leader. He did let me order my own food so I have my doubts :)
by the nth on Nov 13, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wanna pick up those names?
I think you dropped a few…
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 14, 2008 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
Sammy too. Although he’s probably the most likely candidate of recent former Cubs.
by kanderber on Nov 13, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right - I neglected to mention him, too
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
If you do that, then you add Grace, Davis, Dunston.
Then, how do you justify no Caveretta, Pafko, Hack, Passeau, Wilson, and a host of others?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, Wood does have a flag
on the roof, along with most of the others you listed, which is sortof like “honorable mention” in my opinion.
by stadiumguru on Nov 13, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, you're right
Although his is for one game. Others are for one or several seasons.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, how are things with the band?
Some tense days, eh? Plus, the team pretty much sucks. 19-0 at the half. Ugh.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve made some minor changes, but have moved on from UM.
things are pretty good though. I’m optimistic we will go to a warm bowl game, which will be fun despite the poor season. If we win these last 2 games, 7-5 really isn’t that bad. We just had a really tough 4 game stretch that put a damper on the season.
Plus, it’s hockey and basketball season, so that’s always fun.
Coming to either of the final 2 games?
by stadiumguru on Nov 13, 2008 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be at Saturday's battle for the Axe
The bowl game itself won’t thrill me (but then, I don’t get a free trip!), but I do want them to get one. The extra practice can only help for next season.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The extra practice
should be huge. It essentially will be an extension of spring practice, with an increase in intensity. It also gives an extra game to the seniors, the last group who played for Barry.
Enjoy the game on Saturday, it’ll be fun. I assure you halftime and the 5th quarter won’t disappoint :)
by stadiumguru on Nov 13, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure how long I'll stay
My dad probably won’t want to be there the whole game and I’m his ride home.
Have a good one, though — hope you’re able to stay warm….
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With our wool uniforms and such a physical marching style, I’m sure we’ll have no problem staying warm! We also are allowed to bring gloves and hats for in the stands, which is nice. Oh, and for what it’s worth, it’s supposed to snow on Saturday. In our opinion, the more snow the better!
For a visual reason to our madness:

by stadiumguru on Nov 13, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm, don't know why that didn't work
lets try it again:
and if that doesn’t work, here’s the link:
http://www.badgerband.com/store/accessories/on_wis_poster.php
by stadiumguru on Nov 13, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The link worked, anyway!
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All good things come to an end
I don’t think Wood is worth some crazy contract of 4 years $50 million or something.
Its a good business decision by the Cubs not to resign him for that price.
Everyone will miss him, but Sandberg is about the only fan favorite in my lifetime who retired a Cub.
I agree with Al that baseball-wise Wood and Gregg are very similar.
As for Ceda…who knows? We’ll have to wait and see if he ever makes the majors to evaluate him.
by jeff_pico on Nov 13, 2008 6:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually a lot of my favorite Cubs were traded but later--after their careers--they were still "Cubs"
For example, Santo was traded to the Sox. Billy Williams was traded to Oakland. Fergie went to Texas and Boston. Just because they leave for a while….
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Nov 13, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dickie Noles got traded for himself
Not really relevant, just felt like saying that.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
of course
Of course Wood will come back after he retires and still be a Cub…but it looks like for now he won’t end his career in a Cub uniform. If he’s still pitching after his big contract maybe he will come back for another go around, you never know.
by jeff_pico on Nov 13, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In similar news...
K-Rod is apparently on the move, per Sportscenter tonight.
No use overspending on an overhyped position.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 13, 2008 7:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Now, on that I will agree.
Part of the reason for keeping Wood is his leadership ability. There isn’t always a way of putting a dollar amount on what that’s worth.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem when you don't have an unlimited amount of dollars...
…is that you HAVE to put a dollar amount on what everything is worth. The Cubs have a budget, and so those intangibles need to be priced in comparison to other, tangible assets the Cubs would like.
by cwyers on Nov 13, 2008 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you.
The Cubs apparently, in this case, were discussing the number of years rather than the number of dollars. That’s valid, of course.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al
What has Wood done to demonstrate these leadership abilities? He doesn’t seem outspoken. Having a closer as team leader is unusual. I’m not saying he isn’t be other than the pat answer of “Leadership By Example” which would apply to Lee, how would Wood be the team leader?
by rlpete on Nov 13, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As noted above...
… outspokenness isn’t the only attribute of leadership. There’s plenty of that that goes on behind closed doors in the clubhouse.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
None of us knows exactly what goes on behind closed doors.
There’s too much talk by people that can’t really know about the amazing leadership abilities of this guy and that guy. Unless you’re with a team day in and day out for a season, it’s impossible to know.
Some that are called the leaders in the press are just self-promoters or guys who seems sort of badass. Others that people perceive as leaders are just rah rah fist pumpers who are disliked by their teammates.
I know someone who played with Will Clark on the Giants and he says he was seen as the team leader by everyone other than actual members of the team. But the Giants fans loved him and saw him as the leader of the late 80s-early 90s teams. By the way, Clark fit into the rah rah fist pump and self-promoter categories. Many of his teammates thought he was a total asshat. He says the same went for Gary Carter. Fans loved him and would have followed him into a fire. His teammates saw him as a shameless self-promoter. I’m not saying these guys weren’t good, they just weren’t team leaders.
I share a friend with Kerry Wood and have been lucky enough to have dinner with him a couple of times. He’s a very nice guy. I can’t tell you from those meals, however, if he is a leader. He did let me order my own food so I have my doubts :)
by the nth on Nov 13, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can speak to Clark...
…and he was an asshat, of the A1 variety.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 13, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you really need to post this twice?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 14, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's another pitcher somebody
will overpay for…..the Angels have a replacement.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 13, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On other news
Z won the Silver Slugger award.
Who robbed Geo?
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 13, 2008 7:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No one robbed Soto-- Brian McCann is an absolute monster.
If anything, Soto robbed McCann of the starting spot of the ASG.
by NittanyCub on Nov 13, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I might agree on letting Wood go, if he's asking for a 3 years deal or more.
But that doesn’t mean acquiring Gregg is a good idea. A rehabbing closer who wasn’t that good before, anyway. Ughh!
by Fraggin Judge on Nov 13, 2008 7:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well
This is just fitting isn’t it! After the joke they made of themselves in the playoffs. Now this. The idea of seeing Woody in a different uniform is heartbreaking for me.He can’t be replaced in many many ways.
by iowacubfan69 on Nov 13, 2008 7:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bring Wood back.
Put him and Gregg at the back of that bullpen, one a closer one as a replacent for Howry.
by Snake Plisskin on Nov 13, 2008 7:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Its the money
I’m sure Hendry would love to bring back Wood.
The question is why would Woody accept half the money he can make to play for the Cubs?
Its in his best interest to sign with another team.
Maybe Woody will pull the ‘blank check’ stunt like Dawson, but I doubt it.
by jeff_pico on Nov 13, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It all depends on what he can find on the open market.
It very well might be that the market gets a bit tighter this offseason, for various reasons.
I don’t think Hendry would say no if Wood came back and opened talks again.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What if....
money doesn’t matter to Wood.
What if he would be completely willing to accept a deal to remain with the Cubs?
I know Hendry can’t go right out and say “Hey bud, we’ll re-sign you, mind if we pay you half as much as a person your talent deserves, eh?”
Hopefully Woody still wants to stay with the team.
If what I’ve said is the case, it’s Wood’s decision.
What if Wood would want a deal with more cash per year, with 2 years + an option?
There’s no way in hell Hendry would still deny him.
by EJThunder on Nov 13, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
If Wood wants to come back for a super hometown discount I’m sure the Cubs won’t say no.
The chances of that are very slim, but its possible.
If I was advising Kerry, I would advise him to take the money and run. He’s only got a few more years to play and might as well make the big money while he can.
by jeff_pico on Nov 13, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
maybe the Cubs could do one better and give him a “regular” hometown iscount instead of a “super” one.
I’m saying, take what he is worth per year, take off a couple million and give him 2 or 3 years.
by EJThunder on Nov 13, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And how do you know that wasn't discussed?
It is all speculation. The two sides couldn’t come to an agreement is all I know. I’m not trying to guess who did what and who offered what.
by rlpete on Nov 13, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You need to throw away the bong when you graduate
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Nov 13, 2008 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kerry Wood doesn't deserve 4 years and $40 million for being a "good guy"
Jim Hendry made the right move today. Kerry Wood has made enormous sums of money wearing the Cub uniform while he sat on the DL or was inconsistent. The absolute most I would have been comfortable giving Kerry Wood in a new contract is 2 years and $15 million w/ plenty of incentive clauses and the ability to earn a third year. Apparently that isn’t good enough for him, which I can understand and is completely within his right.
If he can get some team to give him 3 or 4 years and $30 million, $40 million or more? Than more power to him.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 13, 2008 7:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
While I agree that it was the right move, based on what we've heard
The past is irrelevant. Those are sunk costs.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish the Cubs had a Yankee-esque....
type payroll, but still didn’t feel the need to go out and get every single ace, batting champ, HR leader, etc.
Then this type of thing doesn’t happen.
The Cubs = a family making the decision to buy food (aka what’s best for the team) instead of buying medicine (aka re-signing Wood)
Maybe that was a bit of a stretch but you still get my point.
by EJThunder on Nov 13, 2008 8:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would have loved to see Wood end his career with the Cubs (and play his entire career with them).
I think everything I felt after 2003 was expressed by this noble competitor in the interviews after game 7. I am absolutely going to hate seeing him pitch for the brewers or cards or someone else, but he’ll still be one of my favorite players.
by DudeVf11 on Nov 13, 2008 8:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Although I am still sadden by him leaving
at least he left Chicago on a high note. If this had happened two seasons ago, well we would have thought of Wood as being like Prior was. Sure he will never win a WS with us (unless he comes back five years down the road), but he pitched damn well as a Chicago Cub and should be an immortal figure for this organization. Even though it won’t be retired, I hope his number isn’t worn by another Cub for at least 10 years..
To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!
by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 8:34 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
oh thanks man!
To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!
by Chanman25 on Nov 13, 2008 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry did what he had to do.
Wood is a BIG gamble long term. Hendry couldn’t take that gamble. I hope Kerry can sign a big contract for his family. He will be missed but I don’t blame Hendry.
by Rick B on Nov 13, 2008 8:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why is he a big gamble?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously?
The guy was off and on the DL for about 5 years before 2008…thats risky in almost any dictionary.
by jeff_pico on Nov 13, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't five years. It was three (2004-05-06).
… and part of ‘07 before he came back totally healthy. There has been NO recurrence of the elbow and shoulder trouble despite taking on a closer’s load.
I would have no hesitation giving him more than one year.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My idea
Was 2 years with a vesting option on a third year.
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 13, 2008 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Kerry's agent would have laughed you out of the room.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 14, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of 2007, actually
And 2008 would be the 5th year.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 13, 2008 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was the right move
but I imagine it feels as if the family dog just passed.
Still it frees up money to go after B Giles and maybe B Roberts
by sanders833 on Nov 13, 2008 8:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Brian Giles is not coming to the Cubs.
Why do people keep posting this? Brian Giles will not leave San Diego. Period.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 13, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not, but
times have changed in this border town. I wonder if Giles wants to play on a 100-game loser. He didn’t go to Boston because he’d be on the bench. Had the Bosox acquired him, they would have dealt him away. Giles isn’t a complete non-option. It probably won’t happen, but it’s not 100% any more. It’s pretty toxic in Petco right now.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 13, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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