MLB HotStove: Braves no longer pursuing Peavy

by CubbyBlues on Nov 14, 2008 4:43 PM CST Comment 75 comments

Thought this was pretty interesting:

http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/11/braves_no_longer_actively_purs.html

Does this mean that the cubs are now the front runners? What a rotation we would have if we can somehow land peavy and demp! Anyways, I don't want to speculate or anything, but I'm interested in everyone's take on what this means for a Peavy trade moving forward - thoughts?

P.S. - if what Kerry has said in light of his leaving the Cubs is how he really feels, I am SO MAD at Hendry...

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Where is Peavy going to go now?

The North Side!

59 votes

Staying in San Diego

27 votes

Angels

14 votes

Yankees

7 votes

Other

11 votes

118 votes | Poll has closed

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hey

your post looks way better than mine

by fndr5 on Nov 14, 2008 4:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm going to delete yours to consolidate discussion.

Thanks for understanding.

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by Al on Nov 14, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not a problem

i try to delete what i say all the time

by fndr5 on Nov 14, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 14, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

curse simultaneous posts! appreciate the compliment tho

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by CubbyBlues on Nov 14, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Peavy is headed to the Yankees in my estimation

They can dangle Phillip Hughes, Ian Kennedy and hotshot outfield prospect Andrew Jackson (I think that is his first name).

McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!

by MDBNIU on Nov 14, 2008 4:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

While that WOULD seem logical...

…according to an article I just read on ESPN, Peavy doesn’t seem to be on the Yankees’ radar, nor do the Yankees appear to be on Peavy’s radar from what I can tell from the past. They just offered Sabathia an outrageously huge contract, and they also plan on offering contracts to Burnett and Lowe.

I do see Peavy as a Cub next year. I’m not enthusiastic, nor am I disappointed. I don’t necessarily believe we need to improve the rotation as much as we do the pen, but hell, Peavy could give us better and more consistent innings than Jason Marquis has the past couple years. I’ve always liked him and welcome him with open arms if he does end up here.

by AeroZach on Nov 14, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thing is they could land THREE of these big name available starting pitchers

by MDBNIU on Nov 14, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely true

And you made a good point in the post below, they’ve been upstaged and embarrassed by not making the postseason. So they’ll make several big time moves, no question, which could be the only thing holding the Cubs working out a deal with Peavy.

by AeroZach on Nov 14, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It all depends on Peavy's no-trade...

Didn’t Peavy specifically list the Yankees on his “no fly” list. There was a reason he specifically had the Yankees on the list of teams to whom he couldn’t be traded. Not saying he won’t end up there. Just saying that’s another hurdle to consider.

I’m quite sure the Yankees would ultimately be interested on the heels of this past season’s failures. That said, it takes two to tango.

by SouthernCub on Nov 14, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Peavy is backed into a corner on this one

Kevin Towers is in solid position to strong-arm. Either expand the teams you are willing to be traded to or plan on sitting tight in San Diego. And I don’t want to hear all this crap that they must trade him. Yes, they would definitely like to trade him. But it’s not as though the franchise will go into bankruptcy. They can smoke Peavy out on this one. Plus Peavy will change his tune when the Steinbrenners (or Theo Epstein) says they’ll tack on a year or three to his contract.

by MDBNIU on Nov 14, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Re:

Peavy has indicated he’s just fine staying in San Diego. He’s keeping his home there.

by toonsterwu on Nov 14, 2008 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He's playing poker, too..

…of course he wants out of an SD franchise tat is in turmoil, and southern california is a vary popular place for pros from all sports to have off-season homes.

Peavy may have to stay in SD if the market for him tumbles, but it’s going to be a pretty rough year if that happens.

by DudeVf11 on Nov 14, 2008 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not really

How can a team wanting to cut major payroll be in a solid position? Peavy’s going to his way and SD will get 75% of his worth.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Nov 14, 2008 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope Peavy has TOWERS backed in a corner

He is fine in San Diego TOWERS is the one who said " the train has left the station" re trading him. The only reason the Padres have even spent time talking to the Cubs is that they are clearly a Peavy preference. Yes I know you ALWAYS assume it is all about money and a little money can change any players mind it is not always so. Torres just retired because he said he wants to spend more time with his family as opposed to earning another 4 million dollars after a good year. Maddux who is VERY close to Peavy turned down 5 Million ( back when it was REAL money) because he did NOT want to play for the Yankees and Peavy has been pretty outspoken about not wanting to play in the NL.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 14, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

austin jackson

must be the jackson you’re talking about

by Cubinator on Nov 14, 2008 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They wouldnt give up all that for Peavy when they didnt for Santana

if they get CC to go along with Wang and Joba, Hughes and AJ or Lowe, they’ll be all set

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 14, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why would the Yankees do that?

They have all the money in the world to pick up another starter besides CC and not touch their farm system. I don’t think Peavy is really an option if they can land CC and Lowe or Burnett or fill in the blank and not sell off any of their minor league talent.

by fndr5 on Nov 14, 2008 4:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I concur

by McRipper on Nov 14, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The Yankees are going to make several mega moves in my opinion

They have been spouting off for months what the new ballpark is going to do for their financial manueverability. As if a $200 million payroll wasn’t already enough. Don’t underestimate how pissed off the Steinbrenners are on not making the playoffs for the first time in 13 years. They have had it with being upstaged by Boston, and now Tampa Bay of all places. Money doesn’t buy championships the way it used to. But I don’t think that is going to stop Hank and Hal from doing their ailing daddy George proud.

by MDBNIU on Nov 14, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention they have 80M coming off the books

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 14, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If it's going to be the Cubs, then...

It would HAVE to cost something like Josh Vitters and Jeff Spellcheck. There is no other way. Well, yes there is. The Cubs could tell Kevin Towers to pound sand up his ass. Which I kinda sorta think Hendry has done already. Hence why I think Peavy will be fitted for Yankee pinstripes in the near future.

by MDBNIU on Nov 14, 2008 4:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I don't think it will be as expensive as you presume

Peavy has a serious risk factor regarding injury with a signed contract going to 2012 of $15M, 16M, 17M, but the draw is $9M this year.

Now that $9M is what Marquis has now….so trading Cedeno, Pie, Marshall and Vitters and possibly Castillo would suffice and possibly not even Castillo. Cedeno is arb eligible and allows the Pads to trade Greene, while Marshall replaces Peavy in the rotation and the Pads get a CF and 3B prospect.

They get out from under a risk

Cubs then could package Marquis, possibly with or without DeRosa, who’s market can’t be hotter at $5.5M. DeRosa can play 2B, 3B, LF, RF while Marquis gives you innings without injury. I am sure that Cubs could rid themselves of Marquis and then go and sign a Furcal and let Samardz and Hill compete for the 5th starter role.

That then leaves RF where they could continue and find a LHB RF’er.

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by Ivy Walls on Nov 14, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

That package you listed sounds about right. Perhaps Vitters goes to another team, which sends SD a pitcher… It’s not a great deal for SD, but Peavy wants out and the Cubs are his preference, and SD wants to cut payroll..

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Nov 14, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good ideas

but I don’t think that we can realistically count on anything from Hill. I hope like heck he gets his control back, but he may be done.

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-John Kruk

by thinskull on Nov 14, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hmm

I think Hendry is the one who should pound sand up his ass personally

by Glacier on Nov 14, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

and they’re also shedding some contracts like Giambi, probably Abreu and either Petite or Mussina or both so they’re just going out like it’s Christmas.

by fndr5 on Nov 14, 2008 4:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Rosenthal

had in his article on FOX Sports that Randy Johnson is on the Cubs radar in the same article mentioning Peavy out of the Braves plans. I’d be all for The Unit in Cubbie Blue—Marquis would need to go first to clear the payroll.

I still thinks this gets done and Peavy comes to the Cubs — Gregg will also be on his way to S.D. Just my opinion.

by socalbob on Nov 14, 2008 5:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I think Marquis leaving...

… would help in re-signing Dempster.

As I have written before, I think both the Yankees and Mets would be a destination for Marquis — his hometown, and they can both afford him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 14, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

how about

Feliciano for Marquis? We get a much needed LOOGY at the back-end (.210/.280/.295 vs. LHB).

by socalbob on Nov 14, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why so anxious to get rid of Jason Marquis?

All he does is take the ball every 5th day and do the job he was brought in here to do. Plus he is only signed for one more year. I’m not willing to give up Marquis unless I get something real in return.

by MDBNIU on Nov 14, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

only if it frees up salary...

in adding another piece to the puzzle while bringing in a better pitcher. I ao agree with you that there is value in having a solid #5 taking the ball and not going down with injuries. He’s more valuable for the 162 game season than a short playoff series.

by socalbob on Nov 14, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Marquis will free up VERY little salary

I think if the Cubs paid 8 of his 10 million , they could find takers but you are dreaming if you think someone will pay more than’
3 million tops and I just don’t see how that is enough to make it worth it.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 14, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe

We’ll see as the Hot Stove progresses. When AJ Burnett is going to command $13-$15 MM per year, then Marquis doesn’t look so bad. There is value that I think you may be missing in your analysis of an inning-eater #5 that takes the ball every 5th day and is serviceable. Is he Harden, Z, or Demp? Of course not, but over 162 games a guy like him is valuable. Teams just don’t have 5 Cy Young candidates in their rotations. Time will tell.

by socalbob on Nov 14, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nearly every team

Fills their 5th starter position with a kid or rehabbing guy they can get very, very cheap. Again I like Marquis more than most here but at 10 million he is ours to keep unless we want to eat the salary.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 14, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Disagree.

There are teams that can afford him. I doubt the Cubs would have to eat the salary — all they need is a face saving prospect.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 14, 2008 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You are joking right ?

There is a team out there that would take Jason Marquis AT TEN MILLION DOLLARS ??!!.Al I have sat at games with you and never seen you have more than one beer and rarely that so I have no idea what got you believe that the Cubs can find a taker.
The only discussion is HOW MUCH of the 10 million do the Cubs have to eat and who would want Marquis
at all ? Yankees NOT A CHANCE, Mets either. Teams who won’t pay pretty much more than league minimum for a 5th starter ( Marlins, Padres, D’Backs, Rockies) Virtually ANY AL team. The Cardinals.The Braves Teams that might under some circumstances consider him if they ran out of options and the Cubs paid 90% of the contract Brewers, Dodgers , Giants. Astros, Nats. Good luck on them .
Al I will buy you TWO steak dinners if there is a team willing to pay 40% of his salary unless Vitters etc is part
of the package and whatever you are inhaling or drinking etc PLEASE SEND ME SOME between Wood being dumped and Maddux considering retiring I am in desperate need of substances that can divorce me from reality.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 14, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kyle Lohse was paid more.

Al’s right.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 14, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Do you honestly believe if the Cubs could trade Marquis

and save TEN MILLION DOLLARS which could easily have gone to bringing Kerry back or signing Lou’s wet dream of a LH power hitter they would not have done it ?

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 14, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It takes time

The Cubs can’t trade Marquis till other options go off the board. Marquis is no one’s first choice. But he’s a likable Plan C in many cases.

I think we would have traded Marquis last winter if the stupid pitching market hadn’t dragged on interminably. After Silva signed, Marquis’ deal looked really good. But Lohse just kept hanging on and hanging on and the Johan trade took forever. This winter, Jim’ll get it done.

by DGU on Nov 14, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You can have one of Al's steak dinners

If the Cubs pull off a Marquis trade that does not involve eating half his salary ( unless they throw in say Lilly too).
Rusch at say league minimum with incentives is plan C. Marquis at 10 Million is plan Z

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 14, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We shall see.

I look forward to my dinner.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 15, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I hear crow is pretty tasty

If you put a lot of BBQ sauce and pepper on it.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 15, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

And you know this how?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 15, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I came to the same conclusion...

however, if Peavy were to somehow find his way here, I’d could see a deal for Duaner Sanchez or Heilman happening.

But I have to ask, why do you see Peavy heading to the Yankees? What would his motiivation be to move to another league when he has a NTC in hand, past the Yankees offering a boatload of cash?

by Damen Jackson on Nov 14, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"

by fischisgod on Nov 14, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe the fact that his salary......

is part of the reason that Wood isn’t going to be on the team next year.

by EJThunder on Nov 14, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope.

Wood said he’d do anything. If he’s being honest, that would include something like a 2 year deal with a 4 M salary in 2009 and a 15 M salary in 2010. Marquis’ salary is not the problem. Someone in the Cubs decided they didn’t want Kerry no matter what.

by DGU on Nov 14, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I meant from Hendry's standpoint.

by EJThunder on Nov 14, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Al

I will buy you a steak dinner at the Pink Pony if Mets or Yankees end up with Marquis short of the Cubs releasing him or paying 90% of the salary ( and even then it would be VERY unlikely).

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 14, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You're on.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 14, 2008 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

can i get in on that?

by WUSTLCubsFan on Nov 14, 2008 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Personally, I think

Marquis will be a part of a Peavy deal, and the Cubs will pay most of Marquis’ salary. This could be a factor in not resigning Wood. Marquis would give the Padres a — second starter, past Chris Young. Outside of Cha Sung Beck, that would at least give a 97-loss team 3 starters.

Obviously, another combo of Cubs players would come to SD. So many names have been placed into this mix, I will not re-hash this again.

Peavy does not want to go to the AL. That was to give Towers more leverage. Peavy will be moved. The Padres DO NOT want any part of his salary in the future. This may take some time, so be patient.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 14, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

marquis

I agree that Marquis could be part of a deal with SD but if as stated above JM and jp both are worth 9m this year we could get by paying relatively little of JMs salary because it will save the pads so much over the next 3 years.

“We’ve had advanced discussions with the Cubs and Braves, which are Jake’s priority teams,” Padres general manager Kevin Towers said. “But at this point in time, I do not see a potential deal with either club.”

by KyCubsFan on Nov 14, 2008 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

link

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors link tool is not working sorry

by KyCubsFan on Nov 14, 2008 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My guess

is that the Angels may suddenly become the front runners on this. While the Yankees have a lot of money clearing up, along with an infusion of money from the stadium, they would have to pony up talent to net him.

That said, if I had to take a guess, I’d guess that San Diego will try hard to unload Brian Giles in the next few days. If they can, Towers may be able to fit Peavy’s salary in for the year.

by toonsterwu on Nov 14, 2008 5:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

bleh

Didn’t finish my thought. Dunno why I hit post. I don’t think the Yankees will give up the pieces to net Peavy until they wait and see on FA’s. For all we know, they could sign Sabathia/Lowe/Burnett and call it a day. And I think, of the two AL teams, Peavy would be more amenable to Anaheim, as it allows him to stay closer to home. The Angels have some money to spare this offseason, and while the system isn’t as good as before, they have some pitching that ought to catch San Diego’s eye.

by toonsterwu on Nov 14, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Right.

Cash wants to keep the rookies. Anaheim makes some sense. If Atlanta’s really out, though, the Cubs could end up winning this the same way the Mets did last year.

by DGU on Nov 14, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep...

All is takes is Peavy saying “I’m not going to the American League”.

Personally, if I was a star pitcher in his prime, I’d avoid the AL East like the plague. Your jacked-up stats could cost you millions on your next deal.

by Damen Jackson on Nov 14, 2008 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

Peavy could choose to go to Anaheim, though – 3/4 pitchers’ parks in the AL West and good coaches – but he’s young enough to likely have another big pay day. Stay in the NL.

by DGU on Nov 14, 2008 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

trades

why would anyone even suggest trading derosa???he plays everywhere and he,s a great team player.im surprised marquis cant be dumped on one of the lower standing teams.he,s pitched some great games for us.trouble is he,s pitched some really bad ones.if this guy can ever be consistent he could be valuable to some team.

by NOMAR on Nov 15, 2008 5:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

OK, NOMAR, where are you?

Everyone in North or South America should be asleep at 3:23 AM PST. Are you beaming this in from another planet where they don’t have shift keys on the computers, and if so, who entered your screen name when you registered?

Tommie Agee was out.
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by Weeghman Park on Nov 15, 2008 7:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Looks like the Yanks might try to go after him

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8797906/Sources:-Pads,-Yanks-had-27numerous27-Peavy-talks-

So, they could potentially get Peavy AND CC? I don’t think so..

To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!

by Chanman25 on Nov 15, 2008 11:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Towers says Cubs need third team

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3704339

The Cubs are still in the Peavy sweepstakes, according to FoxSports.com.

“Chicago didn’t give us any deadline,” Padres general manager Kevin Towers told the Union-Tribune. “I imagine we’ll continue to talk to them, but it’s going to definitely take a third team to get something done there.”

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 15, 2008 2:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I knew he was bad...

but what does it take to get this guy to shut up? I mean really, the more he talks, the more I think this deal is going to happen. Every time he’s quoted, Towers sounds more and more like a guy boxed into a corner.

Good Lord. Kevin, when the Padres can find a third team — not the Dodgers — that Peavy will agree to go to, maybe the Cubs will get a third team involved. I swear, does he get this from Sandy?

by Damen Jackson on Nov 15, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

As Ralph Kramden would say...

…he’s a BLABBER MOUTH!!!!!

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 15, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No matter where he ends up

I’m convinced that the return for the Padres is going to shock people with how little it proves to be. They are negotiating this way too publicly, and not particularly well.

by Damen Jackson on Nov 15, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Hes revealed his hand, so to speak, but thats the drawback of NTCs, but they seemed to be handed out like candy

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 15, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have four words...

The Bobby Abreu trade.

by Damen Jackson on Nov 15, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's like he didn't learn anything from the Johan trade last year.

And rec’d above.

by DGU on Nov 15, 2008 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Also rec'd.

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by Al on Nov 15, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

re:

why should it surprise? So far, they’ve turned down a package that has arguably more value than what the Twins got for Santana, and a package that is close in value to what the Mariners gave up for Bedard. Thus, I’m not sure why people should be surprised.

by toonsterwu on Nov 16, 2008 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

re:

you do realize that axelrod has already suggested that Peavy will listen to other clubs, provided they give Peavy enough financial incentive right?

Blaming Towers is flawed here. He’s being forced into a corner, knowing that he has to cut money. That said, to suggest that they are moving Peavy because of money is flawed, as they can cut money in other ways (as noted in the other post, do a simple go through of contracts and some educated guesses and you’ll see what I mean).

Towers is sending a signal. It’s actually a smart move on his part, from a negotiations theory perspective, because amongst other things, he’s set the market. Now, in saying all that, theory doesn’t always work out, so we’ll have to wait and see.

by toonsterwu on Nov 16, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs