Not the same without Kerry Wood....
by donnajean on Nov 16, 2008 9:07 PM CST
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PrintThis is so typical of chicago. They cut lose the players that the fans just love. I just don't know how they can get rid of Kerry Wood. He has been such a loyal and hardworking member of the cubs. So many people will miss him. It would be one thing if the trades made sense or produced results like a world series win, but no....... I have never been so upset with a trade in my 40+ years of being a patient fan. Wonder what Eddie Vedder is saying?
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Davey Martinez
It has been a long time since i have been truly sad about the departure of a player. Other than Maddux (obviously), the last time that I was “sad” to see someone go was the Martinez-for-Webster trade. I wouldn’t have felt that way 5 years ago, but I really respect the way that Wood fought back and the way that he loved Chicago.
by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Nov 16, 2008 9:24 PM CST reply actions
I was upset about the Martinez-for-Webster trade...
… because Martinez was a good young player and Webster sucked.
This isn’t the same thing at all.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
+1
The Cubs replaced MItch Webster in left field in 1989 with the platoon of Dwight Smith and Lloyd McClendon. I also felt the same way about the Cubs trading Billy Hatcher to Houston for Jerry Mumphrey. Mumphrey wasn’t bad for the Cubs, but Hatcher was a much younger player with a lot more left in the tank than Mumphrey.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
Eddie Vedder is saying
“Give me more groupies, booze and cocaine”
He’s also saying,
“Grow up, sack up, and shut up.”
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
I bet you're a blast at funerals....
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Nov 17, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
He wouldn't get any backtalk from the center of attention at a funeral
after telling them to shut up.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 17, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Tremendous
She offers her opinion, and your inteligent response is to grow up and shut up. Jeez you and Blue Mike must visit the same doctor.
My take is: I want Wood to be a Cub, he threw quite well last year. This team is NOT better without Wood. Adding Kevin Gregg for essentially Wood and Jose Ceda did not strengthen this team, if you think the Cubs are better, than I wouldn’t want you to run my fantasy team.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
That's how I feel about it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
But you would want to be in his fantasy league
always need some suckers to beat
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 17, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
I posted this in Al's Randy Johnson thread (go there for the link and quote)
John Perotto at Baseball Prospectus reported that the Cubs and Kerry may yet work something out.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
I hope so
To have Wood, Gregg and Marmol late in a game would be good.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
Gregg could be a useful replacement for the role Howry was supposed to fill.
Beyond that, he’s a downgrade.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Indeed.
Plus… I can hear Wrigley boo him the first time he takes the field. Though I know better, I think the general media made it look like we gave up Wood for Gregg. With how moody the fans are today, I can’t picture him being widely accepted.
by TheHawkRules on Nov 17, 2008 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
I agree.
And I’m guessing Gregg was acquired to fill either Howry or Marmol’s role in the pen (hopefully Howry’s) and as closer insurance in case anything happens to Marmol.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
Yep.
No way Gregg would be closer. But I don’t think that matters. Hopefully Hendry will have a good talk with Gregg before the season starts to prepare him for this possibility. I’d hate to see it ruin a guys career.
by TheHawkRules on Nov 17, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
There is definitely a way Gregg could start the year as a closer.
You don’t go overpay for a middling right-handed reliever unless you want a guy who has some Saves on his bubble gum card.
The problem is that Kevin Gregg, with all his walks, is precisely the kind of pitcher that Lou Piniella cannot stand. I cannot figure out, for the life of me, how Jim Hendry thought this was going to work out.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
That's an intriguing thought.
Maybe Hendry did it for that precise reason — and when Lou figures it out, Hendry can still sign Wood.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Call me goofy
Call me goofy but when all is said and done Kerry will still be a Cub.
But then again I believed in Rex Grossman as well.
Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.
by puckishcubsfan on Nov 17, 2008 6:49 AM CST up reply actions
goofy
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
oh right sorry
oh right sorry…bad form on my part
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
Goofy...!
Not for Woody, but for “Rex is our quarterback”.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Nov 17, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Wood’s loss will weaken both the backend of the bullpen and the clubhouse. However, I hope that Gregg is not that bad of a dropoff (although he pitched in Florida and that big ballpark and under no pressure). He pitched well last year except one month…similar ERA to Kerry I think and 9 BS to 6 BS. At least he’s not Joe Borowski…Good FB
Now if we can work out something with Kerry for 1 year now that would only strengthen us more…though Hendry formally announced they cut ties…
If not…They better put that extra 3-6 mill to good use
by Bleeding Cubbie Blue on Nov 16, 2008 10:48 PM CST reply actions
I've also been relatively upset about the Wood fiasco
Seems like the Cubs should be careful of alienating their fan base. I’m sure there are a lot of fans like me that are alienated by the recent attitude to Kerry—who has been a loyal and classy team player all these years. I really hope something can be worked out.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
Will there...
still be beer, ivy and women to drunkenly ask to lift their shirts?
If so, the base will be fine.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
When you manage a team based on the fans say...
you’ll soon be sitting with them…
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Nov 17, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
if we dont
get another top flight starter we wont be worrying about a good bullpen. I like woody as much as the next guy but 8-10 million a year over 3 yrs “would be” crazy.
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
I'm afraid that the Ceda trade for Gregg (allowing Wood to go) might not have been wise
We gave up our #3 prospect, a big, strong 22-year old kid with a good fastball (upper 90’s) for Gregg. Sure, most people think Ceda is more suited to the bullpen rather than being a starting pitcher, but given that our farm system is pretty bad, he might have been given a chance to start…especially since we would have rights to him for a number of years (unlike Gregg). I am not sure I like this trade. Hendry’s trade history with the Marlins hasn’t been exceedingly good. For some info about what Florida fans think of this “steal”, see here
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Nov 16, 2008 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that tying up Wood to that 3-4 year deal for 24-40 mill would be crazy…his injury history. Hopefully they can work out a 1 year deal…but the talk seems to be tat it’s over and time to move on.
We need money for that LH bat Lou desperately needs and another starter, prob a LH out of the bullpen. Where else can you see possible money saving deals??? Marquis would be a start but we might have to throw in money and that prob would not be enough
by Bleeding Cubbie Blue on Nov 16, 2008 11:05 PM CST reply actions
I really think
trading harden could net us descent return and save 8 million.
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 16, 2008 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
Problem with that is it furthers weakens our rotation…
We are not sure we can even keep Dempster and we’re already worried about replacing him we don’t need to worry about replacing Harden too
by Bleeding Cubbie Blue on Nov 16, 2008 11:21 PM CST reply actions
not sure
how he strengthens it if he’s hurt all the time or only going 5-6 innings. that worries me
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The Cubs and Hendry should.....
AT THE VERY LEAST make an offer for him and let him make a decision on “what’s right for his family’s financial well-being.”
Leave the door open. I feel as if the door was emphatically slammed shut on Kerry and us fans who’d really like to see him stick around, somehow.
Kerry said it himself. He wants to play for this team and he would take a one year offer.
What’s the matter, Hendry?!?!
It's all talk...
You gotta believe that “if” he gets offered a multi yr. deal he would take it. It all sounds good about staying and all, but the man has a family. I wonder what Lou’s input was , on this, does anyone know? The often injured Wood is a class act, but, in the middle of last season, I think Lou was upset about missing him. Hey, here is one for ya’ll….Cuban= K-rod.
ernie81
I forget the coach or GM who said this
but if you run a team the way the fans want, soon you’ll be sitting with them.
What is it with this Woody love-fest? Hey I liked the guy but enough is enough.
Now the Gregg acquisition is puzzling and hopefully Jim is nowhere near done but we’re talking about a guy with a lifetime (11-season) win total of 75 and save total something like 40.
Let’s try not to react to Woody’s ‘potential’ leaving and the acquistion of Gregg in a vacuum. There’s way more to go in the off-season here. When Woody signs with some other team, then I’ll say “he’s gone”.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
It's partly a "love-fest", true.
But it’s also looking at things with some objectivity. Money aside, you cannot possibly argue that the Cubs are better off with Gregg setting up Marmol, than they would be with Marmol setting up Wood.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I'm not arguing they're better off
What I am arguing is Hendry is not done yet and that is when the critique should begin.
As for the money, if Woody wanted to come back another year and he said that to the Cubs, then the Cubs should have re-signed him for the one year. Money should not be a hold up for a one-year shot at a moderate rate. It’s not like we’re talking about CC money here.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Nov 17, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
"Wonder what Eddie Vedder is saying? "
Screw Eddie Vedder. Listen, Kerry Wood is a good guy and I understand that fans love him, but you can’t run a team basing your decisions on emotion. Hendry obviously felt that by not resigning Wood he could reallocate those resources on making the team better overall. How quickly you all have forgotten how much Wood’s injuries have hampered this franchise and held us back. When the Red Sox kissed Pedro goodbye their fan base nearly rioted, but now they have another WS to show for it. The bottom line is that if this non-signing leads to the Cubs getting better, then I’m all for it, but whether thats the case has yet to be seen.
agreed
the problem is there have been no signs to suggest we’ll get better from this
the only sign we’ve had was trading a valuable chip for an arb-eligible middle reliever who is basically a SLIGHTLY less expensive, VASTLY less talented version of Wood
by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 17, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
If Lou is responsible for Kerry Wood's apparent ouster...
…I wonder whether we’re not seeing another apparition of Piniella’s blinders-on man-love for one of his players. In this case, one Carlos A. Marmol.
When I look at the way Lou leaned on Carlos throughout the ‘08 season, I can’t help but wonder whether Lou was: a) Putting Carlos through some sort of acid test in terms of effectiveness (which Marmol more than likely passed, given his outstanding numbers), and b) Trying to drive up Carlos’s experience pitching in high-pressure situations at the major league level.
Having accomplished both, perhaps Lou has now made it clear to Hendry that Carlos Marmol is his closer and, as manager, Piniella has no further use for Kerry Wood, whose month-long blister-related absence may have aggravated Lou to no end.
Believe it or not, I’m not suggesting any of this out of any outright hatred for Lou. I still respect him greatly as a manager but, well, every leader has his eccentricities and perhaps we’re seeing another one of Sweet Lou’s.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
i really think the Lou is responsible propaganda
has gotten a little out of hand. This is an idea posited by a reporter based on nothing but speculation and we’ve taken it and run with it
i’m not a huge Lou-supporter but I think we’re getting a bit carried away on this one
by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 17, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, I fully admit I'm just idly speculating.
These were just some random thoughts that kept fluttering through my head over the weekend. But, still, finding out that Kerry would (ha, look what just happened) have signed a one-year deal (assuming he wasn’t just saying that) really makes me wonder why Hendry wouldn’t make him an offer like that. And one of the few plausible explanations I can come up with is that Lou made it very clear to Jimbo that he (Lou) has no further use for Kerry, fan favorite or otherwise.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
the problem is
the more and more we all wonder aloud, the more its perceived as true
by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 17, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I guess.
So I probably shouldn’t post my other theory – that Hendry let Wood go out of some twisted paternalistic need to see Kerry make more money. Call it the “pushing the baby bird out of the nest” scenario.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
Not a bad theory...
we’ll see if the same thing happens after Theriot hits his next growth spurt and finishes puberty…
Free Ronny Cedeno
Carried away
You’re only carried away if you totally believe it.
But speculating semi-blindly is what we do here. Dumping Wood doesn’t make sense on the face of it. The move invites odd speculation.
Right now, I’m tending to think that the Cubs gave Kerry this big hulaballoo goodbye so he’d have the option to see just what would come in if people didn’t think he’d go back to the Cubs no matter what they offered. This is somewhat conspiracy-silly, and I don’t totally believe it, but it would make sense of Perotto suggesting Kerry could now come back.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
Exactly DGU.
It is posturing. It is negotiation. I don’t think Kerry is going to get blown away with big offers. Not that he isn’t deserving… but he did all of a sudden start throwing without pain, right before he was going to have surgery & retire midway through ‘07. There was never a medical explanation given at the time, and he has only one year experience closing. I just don’t see anyone offering 4 yrs. I still put my money on Wood re-signing. If and when he does, we have a strong bullpen with Marmol, Gregg & Wood. Not to mention the Shark & Gaudin. We’ll see if it plays out that way…
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Nov 17, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Shark & Gaudin and the others not named.
Let’s say Wood does sign and you have Wood, Marmol, and Gregg at the back end of the ‘pen. I’m guessing that frees Gaudin and Samardzija to be swing-men. Then we’ve got Guzman, Wuertz, Cotts, and Marshall. The latter three look like trade bait to me (although I like Marshall and would like to see him get 135 innings this year on the Cubs). So, your ’pen ends up
Wood
Marmol
Gregg
FA lefty (from Japan?)
Guzman
Gaudin
Samardzija
?
That would be a strong ’pen.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
I think this is the pen that we will see...
7 pitchers, (for 12 total), on 25-man roster.
Marmol
Wood
Gregg
Cotts
Marshall
Guzman
Samardzija
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Nov 17, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
I hope you are right about Wood resigning
but how much money do you think they will spend on him?
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 17, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure, probably a 2 yr. deal with incentives. Second year a mutual year.
I’m guessing it will be contingent on holds, saves & innings pitched. Probably could total out to about 9-10 million guaranteed, with a generous buy-out to boot.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Nov 17, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
Is that Marmol closing, with Wood holding?
From a strictly financial position, doesn’t keeping Marmol away from saves, save the Cubs a lot of money?
Also, interesting that you;ve got Cotts and Marshall, but Gaudin gone? Who do you think has the higher trade value out of Cotts, Wuertz, and Gaudin?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
I think if Kerry re-signs, then he will be asked to set-up Marmol...
Then if Marmol falls on his face, we’ve got Woody to slot in- and move Marmol back to set-up. I meant to have Gaudin on there. Brain fart. I think the bullpen will go this way:
Marmol
Wood
Gregg
Cotts
Marshall
Guzman
Gaudin/Samardzija
Who has more value? I would say Cotts & Gaudin. Cotts simply because he is a lefty, and Gaudin over Wuertz, (because Gaudin has shown more consistency over his career). Wuertz is trade bait, as are Guzman, Hill & Ascanio.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Nov 17, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
What are the odds, do you think,
that Rich Hill starts 2009 in the Cubs bullpen? Is there much of a trade market out there for him?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
I don't think he'll be in the bullpen in 2009. I think he'll start in the minors...
Where, (A/AA/AAA), will obviously demand on his progress in the off season. With that said, I’m not sure how much of a trade market is out there for him. I think the fact that he is a lefty makes him valuable to some teams to begin with. Additionally, there might be someone out there willing to take him if they think he is a reclamation project taking on. So, we’ll see…
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Nov 17, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't he out of options?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
yep
which is why he can’t start in the minors
by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 17, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
The bottom line is we, as fans, want to know why a beloved – and still effective – player like Kerry Wood is apparently being shown the door. So it’s only natural to speculate, theorize, etc. It’s definitely not “propaganda” in my case, and I tried to make that clear.
This stuff really only gets dangerous (so to speak) when people start dishonestly substantiating their half-crazed ideas – like, “Well, I just heard heard from Lou’s pool boy that, during spring training, Kerry winked at Lou’s wife and Lou never really got over it.”
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
Lou's pool boy, btw, lives out back in the doghouse
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 17, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
LOU DOESN'T HAVE A DOGHOUSE.
That’s a “custom-built ergonomic canine residence.” And the pool boy is staying in the guest room.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
Well then, his custom-built ergonomic canine residence
has two little signs on it:
“Room for rent”
“Last tenant is getting a world series ring”
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 17, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
propaganda
is based off of the idea that you repeat and repeat something enough and people believe it to be true
by continually referencing “Lou’s role” in this, the idea spins and spins and suddenly its taken as legitimate fact that Lou had a hand in it
when we know absolutely nothing
by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 17, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
I rec'd your post above because I thought you made an interesting point.
I can’t speak for the motivations of others. For my part, I’m just trying to figure this weird series of moves out.
1) Jim Hendry overpaid for Kevin Gregg.
2) Hendry overpaid for Gregg, even as rumors still float about a possible trade for Hermida.
3) Hendry acquired Gregg the day before free agents were eligible to talk to other teams, even though it seems like the RH side of the ‘pen has depth and the Cubs would have more pressing needs to focus on. (I mean, say Kerry leaves – we still have plenty of RH options in the ’pen.)
4) Hendry made Gregg’s acquisition all about Wood in the press conference.
So, I’ve tried on different explanations – 1) Gregg was going to be flipped to a team that valued closer experience; 2) Lou wanted Kerry gone; 3) Ceda was a down payment made on a future trade with FL; and now 4) Hendry orchestrated this for Kerry so he could see just what his market value is.
It’s altogether probable that none of those explanations are true. So, on your last point, I totally agree – we know absolutely nothing.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
right
and i follow your line of reasoning and your trying to make sense of things. I don’t disagree with any of it
my only issue is that after its initial bring-up, the idea has gotten legs and now people are referencing it more and more
i don’t think the intentions were wrong, i just think we’re heading to a point where the results of an initial well-thought out pondering, are becoming treated as fact
by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 17, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I see what you're saying and that's why I rec'd your original post.
If Kerry doesn’t end up signing with the Cubs, I hope that the “real journalists” do some work and find out the whole story.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
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- Mitch Mustain puts football behind him, signs reported rookie deal with White Sox
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