Cubs "seem" to be Peavy front-runners....
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 17, 2008 9:23 PM CST
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Padres GM Kevin Towers on XPRS-AM (Double XX SportsRadio) Monday afternoon...
Some highlights...Towers implies that Jim Hendry is the GM that he has talked with the most....saying that the Cubs -- "at this moment don't quite match up with what his needs are" -- but he wants to "consider expanding talks to a third team."
He implies that right now, he's asking for a lot from the Cubs...and he realizes that "such a trade wouldn't work for Chicago -- it wouldn't be worth it for them."
Strangely enough, Towers says..."...the earlier we can get a trade done, the better..." But in the same breath he says...."...no rush, no time line." (I interpret this as an implication he'd like to get a deal done with the Cubs, and he's ready to wait until Hendry can find the proper trading partner)
Later in the interview, he said -- "If the right deal doesn't happen, we'll start the season with Jake."
Afterwards, the hosts didn't take much stock in that assertion. I didn't, either. The Padres want Peavy off the books, and the Pads will say anything to keep the fans with pitchforks away from Petco. I thought Towers sounded weary...the hosts thought so too.....
My guess is eventually, Peavy's a Cub.
I'll take that meal, Al.
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I read today they might even need a 4th team...
Ive been following baseball all my life, I cant remember a four way trade off the top of my head. But its seems like JP really wants to come to Wrigley, and it looks like we might actually need him now that Demp looks like anything but a sure thing to return
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8797906/Sources:-Pads,-Yanks-had-‘numerous’-Peavy-talks-
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 17, 2008 9:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't the Nomar trade
a four-teamer?
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 17, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No...
It was the Twins, Red Sox, and Cubs.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 17, 2008 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Montreal
yes it was a 4 team trade
by dlee25 on Nov 17, 2008 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah...
I forgot about Brendan Harris and Beltran.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 17, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Montreal supplied Orlando Cabrera
by SouthernCub on Nov 17, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember now..
we sent them Harris and Beltran.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 17, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats right
Cant believe I forgot that…..that was very exciting at the time
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 17, 2008 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't that the deal where the Cubs and Sox got what they wanted
and the Twins and Expos shook their heads later and said, “Hey, we thought we were getting another player there.”
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 17, 2008 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
The inside story as I recall was that Murton was headed to the Twins, but there was a paperwork mixup.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 17, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
slightly OT but...
how about a big shoutout for BCBer Damen Jackson getting some air time on Channel 7 Sports last night?
Looking good, Damen, looking good….
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Nov 18, 2008 7:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that was me...
I’m just happy to know that I didn’t look like a total assclown.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 18, 2008 7:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I’m out of town. What was it about?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 18, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marchese called me late yesterday...
looking for fan reaction and opinion on Cuban. Honestly, I think it was just too cold for them to want to troll Wrigleyville. So, I did a sitdown with Jon Garcia at the 190 Studio.
It was about 15 minutes, but I’m not sure how much footage they used.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 18, 2008 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the 10 pm news?
I’ll take a look at it when I get back to work.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 18, 2008 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You were on screen for about 20 seconds
And you came off smart and amiable, just like you do in here and in your blog. Good job!
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Nov 18, 2008 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't the lead-in story
because they shut down I94 in Indiana due to snow, but it was the second story of the newscast.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Nov 18, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone have a link?
I just checked the ABC Chicago Web site but couldn’t find anything.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 18, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but..
I got a couple of e-mails earlier about it. There’s footage on the site somewhere.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 18, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, OK.
I’ll take another look if I get a chance. Congrats!
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 18, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm - the one night I went to bed early.
Anybody find the footage before I go looking?
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 18, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And people wonder why San Diego is in such wretched condition
Padres are a joke. They’ve got this supposed illustrious braintrust of Sandy Alderson, Kevin Towers, Paul DePodesta and Grady Fuson. Yet the four of them together can’t change a lightbulb.
Peavy is headed to the Yankees. Yes, I say that with certainty.
BCB, home of the insidious campaign of the clueless to "Dustyfy" an outstanding manager in Lou Piniella.
by MDBNIU on Nov 17, 2008 9:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And what happens if he doesn't go to the Yankees?
"The object of a ball game for the fan is not to be entertained. It is to win." - Max Lapides
by CaliCub on Nov 17, 2008 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he'll move on to the next topic,
without ever admitting that he was wrong.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 18, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-1000
Not. A. Yankee. Won’t happen, BM.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 17, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
However, the 'brain trust' is constrained
by John Moores’ divorce. They haven’t done a very good job, that’s a given. But if the owner is now looking for a 40-million dollar payroll — that’s not the fault of any the the names in question.
I fault them more for the debacle of the ‘08 season than for what’s happening now. This is about shedding payroll via orders from above. Last season, this quartet couldn’t manage a 2-car funeral. Now, they are stuck with circumstances beyond their control.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 17, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If that's true...
… why hasn’t Moores just ordered Towers to take ANY offer for Peavy?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 17, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They still want to sell
some tickets, Al. A ‘bad’ trade will bring out the aforementioned pitchforks. That’s why I think Towers is going to wait until Hendry can seal the deal. The Pads need to plug ’there’s hope with all these guys we got for Peavy.’
This team (the Padres) will lose 100 games right now. If they can add 2 starters, 2 outfielders, another guy in the pen, and then scavenge around — maybe they can finish sub. 500, with youthful talent. But they cannot keep Peavy and lose 90+ games as this team is now constituted.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 17, 2008 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea, I listened to that Towers interview. He was in damage control mode already towards the fans
He said something to the effect that he knew because of the situation that the fans would not be satisfied with the return they got for Peavy. I’m not sure that means a deal is imminent or anything, but it’s clear he’s in a difficult situation.
by philadelphiacub on Nov 17, 2008 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For which he is almost 100% to blame.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 18, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Towers could solve a lot of that...
…by shutting his mouth.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 18, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the only projected certainty is....
Peavy is headed out of the Padres organization, for unless you are talking to directly to the parties your only certainty is in a off season fantasy team roster
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Nov 18, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A bastion of journalistic integrity disagrees with you (for the time being, at least).
I refer, of course, to the New York Post, which is reporting that the Yanks are focused on Burnett and Sabathia at the moment. Two noteworthy quotes contained therein:
“It wouldn’t surprise me if they went to five years with [Burnett],” a baseball executive said of the Yankees. “[Ryan] Dempster is going to sign back with the Cubs for four years and $13 million per, and Burnett is worth more than that.”
and
With the Braves and Padres swap for Jake Peavy dead, the Yankees haven’t surfaced as a player for Peavy.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 18, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you mean, like
BM could be wrong? GASP!!!
by sue369 on Nov 18, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jake Peavy and Brian Roberts
The Chicago Cubs opening day starter and leadoff hitter respectively.
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by nji232 on Nov 17, 2008 9:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing then
that Ramon Hernandez would be the starting C.
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by DGU on Nov 17, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They'd need a 3rd team in each of those deals
plus don’t forget how hard it is to deal with McFail especially with that constant BS coming from their dumbass owner.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Nov 18, 2008 6:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was joking because this Peavy thing has officially reached Brian Roberts level
of annoying trade that won’t happen, but we get teased about for months.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #12 9-2 (5-2). Next up kU at Arrowhead. BIG 12 NORTH CHAMPS!
by nji232 on Nov 18, 2008 8:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness
This trade is only a couple of weeks old at this point. I think we are all a bit sensitive after the ludicrous rumor mill regarding Roberts last year.
In reality, the pace of both sets of talks make sense from both the Cubs and Orioles/Padres.
Last year the Cubs did not feel that they had a pressing need at 2B or leadoff, the Orioles were only willing to deal Roberts for a major haul. Both teams were playing chicken with each other. The fact that we were annoyed was of little consequence.
This year, the Padres are trying to get an early jump on the offseason in dealing Peavy so they have a better sense of how proceed. The Cubs aren’t in a huge rush since this trade is at least to some degree contingent on what happens in the FA market.
Eamus Ursuli!
by WGNstatic on Nov 18, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who you going to trade to make that happen???
BCB, home of the insidious campaign of the clueless to "Dustyfy" an outstanding manager in Lou Piniella.
by MDBNIU on Nov 17, 2008 10:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I had the same question.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 18, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yawn.
There’s nothing Towers said in those quotes that’s any different from what he’s been saying for the last week.
This is starting to sound like the endless Roberts crap from last winter. Just as that deal never happened, neither will this one.
Man, I’m gonna be eating for free all spring training. Love it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 17, 2008 10:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd think the interview is probably up as a podcast
on that station’s web site.
Smartypants.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 17, 2008 10:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so 3 or 4 team deals - who gets traded?
The problem is that the Padres want pitching, so we’d have to match up with a team that has pitching to move. The Twins? The Mariners?
I’m still rooting for an imagined deal where we send Soriano to the Phillies for the prospect loot than can buy Peavy. The Phillies have some prospects to trade that San Diego might like. They also know that if they help us make the deal, it keeps Peavy from Atlanta.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 17, 2008 10:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know it's your dream
but the Phillies? What prospects would they have to swap to the Padres? Sickels’ list had Carrasco again as #1. I wonder if he is really going to get it together. Sickel’s comment was “made progress but still erratic”.
by rlpete on Nov 18, 2008 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carrasco has the combination of upside and frustration
that would allow the Padres to want him and the Phillies to be ready to dump him. The Pads also have a SS prospect the Padres might like, and another couple of pitchers.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 18, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another prop-up for the Cubs
by an ex-pitcher but in an unofficial role. The Red Baron is selling the virtues of playing on the North side.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-18-mitchell-chicagonov18,0,745407.column
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Nov 18, 2008 6:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've read this...
… and not sure why it matters. Peavy has already said he’ll go to the Cubs. His being sold on the Cubs isn’t likely to get kevin Towers to take less from the Cubs.
by dmlichte on Nov 18, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he comes back to Towers and says...
“only the Cubs” then it will matter, big time; Towers will have to make the deal.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Nov 18, 2008 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I'm not sure either
The only thing I can think of is that Peavy is so convinced Chicago is where he wants to be, he makes it clear to Towers that he won’t except a trade to ATL unless Yunnel stays. Towers decides the Cubs have the better pieces and settles for the lesser deal.
Now this is highly unlikely, but it’s nice to know Suttie and Grace are at least trying.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Nov 18, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I strongly suspect there is someone else selling Chicago
A certain ex Cub who is his closest baseball confidant. Let’s just say I found it odd he seemed so eager to play with the Cubs or the Braves and of course never wanted to go near the AL.
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 18, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy will pitch
for someone other than the Cubs. I just don’t see this deal getting done. I am more more convinced Peavy will get moved to Atlanta, Towers will accept a deal with less chips but better chips than what the Cubs offered.
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by Grockcubs on Nov 18, 2008 8:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I want peavy
sick of hearing about it as much as the yankees spending spree this offseason. what I wouldnt do to see the yanks miss out on all the big names
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 18, 2008 9:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yankees match up well with San Diego
They can trade pitchers Phillip Hughes and / or Ian Kennedy. They can also dangle hotshot center field prospect Austin Jackson.
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by MDBNIU on Nov 18, 2008 9:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wait...You think Peavy is going to the Yankees?
I had no idea…Hmm…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 18, 2008 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
shocked
shocked, I am…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 18, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the same Austin Jackson
who posted a .773 OPS at age 21 at AA
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=7082
interesting that he’s a “hotshot” while Pie who posted a .792 OPS at AAA at age 21 is a scrub
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=11427
very interesting…
by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 18, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Austin Jackson...
… played in the AFL game I saw yesterday. He went 0-for-3 with a walk.
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by Al on Nov 18, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Translation--- I want to move Peavy, but he gets to say where...
and I don’t like the pick of your litter you are offering, hoping that another litter appears later.
Hendry is trying to find what I want and put it in his box…. but again Peavy gets to say where he wants to play…..
Reality, no trade deals diminish player trade values.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Nov 18, 2008 10:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't it be fun
if the Cubs resign Demp and somehow Peavy pushes Tower to take the Cubs offer anyway? Demp, Peavy, Harden, Z, Lilly. Yeek.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 18, 2008 10:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If that happens...
… the Cubs will not be able to afford any other moves, because that adds (approximately) $25 million to the payroll for two players (Peavy and Dempster).
The Cubs can afford one of those, not both.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 18, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
but it’s fun to dream. I wonder how much the budget actually IS expanded…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 18, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What if they find the someone to pay for Marquis's contract?
Which isnt out of the realm of possibility.
Also, too bad the Cubs havnet been sold yet. If we had a new owner who knows what he would of been willing to do. Perhaps would could of kept Wood and still been able to make a splash in the FA market.
by dlee25 on Nov 18, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would guess that Hendry as at least looking...
I have to imagine that he’d trade Marquis for a bag of peanuts at this point (with Dempster now resigned) if the other team would pick up the last year of his contract.
I can’t imagine that the list of teams lining up to do that, at least at this point, is very long. Maybe once the FA market thins out there will be someone willing to take the last year of his contract, but I’m not going to hold my breath.
With Wood, (i don’t know if its already been said elsewhere) I have a feeling that money isn’t the reason that he won’t back.
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by bobby h on Nov 18, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure They Can...
… if they can push Marquis’ salary, which they should be able to.
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 18, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
that the Cubs probably have to move Lilly to add Peavy now post-Demp re-sign. Now a rotation that goes:
Peavy
Zambrano
Dempster
R. Johnson
Harden
that actually saves money off of our current guys, and it’s not bad at all.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 18, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Lefty?
Lilly ain’t going anywhere.
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 18, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
… unless he meant Reed Johnson… ;-)
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 18, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, I Meant Left...
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 18, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree...
…the third team would have to be someone who would take Marquis and his dough for this to have a chance.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 18, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or the fourth team.
I actually think that’s why Towers has talked about a 4-team deal, recognizing that the Cubs may need to unload Marquis to take on Peavy.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 18, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that as well...
I just wonder what sort of time frame Towers is operating under
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 18, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about we get all 30 teams involved?
It’s just about as likely.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 18, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is sexy.
IMO. Doubtful, but sexy.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 18, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the docket to get this trade done
The question appears to be answered in what SD wanted from Atlanta. Top flight Starting pitcher prospect: Cubs have none.
Top Flight position player prospect: Cubs have one
MLB ready position player prospect: Cubs have one
Who would be willing to give up the prospect starting pitcher?
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Nov 18, 2008 10:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Padres were ever close to getting Tommy Hanson
so it may not take a player of his caliber…I’m sure that was just wishful thinking on their part…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 18, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please tell me how this can work...
Apparently, KT is willing to accept a boatload of B or B+ talent from the Cubs because they don’t have 3 A chips likes the Braves do (Escobar, Schafer/Hernandez, SP). So…
The Dads might accept some combination of:
1. Pie
2. Vitters
3. Marshall
4. Castillo
5. 2 temporary “replacement player” throw-ins (e.g., Cedeño, Wuertz, Fontenot, etc.)
6. A young stud SP
Of course, aside from the obvious problem of sanitizing the Cubs’ entire farm system, the main sticking point is #6 — the Cubs have no one, with the possible exception of Shark, who remotely fills that bill. (Remember Sean Gallagher?) That means that the Cubs would have to trade someone(s) with enough value to a team that has an extra young stud SP laying around….
How many teams have such young studs in that abundance?
More importantly, which Cubs come remotely close to having enough value to bring such a stud? The only ones I can think of who don’t have a NTC are Soto, Marmol, Harden, and DeRo. Which one(s) of those guys should the Cubs trade to secure Peavy?
The more I look at it, Peavy will not be a Cub unless he forces KT to lower the asking price by refusing deals to every other team.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 18, 2008 11:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
look at that asking price
and tell me that’s not MORE than what the A’s got for Haren (which was widely considered a good deal for both teams)
and Peavy comes with a more expensive contract and not likely to gain any benefit from moving to an easier league
I think this assumption that our pieces in total don’t add up to what the Padres are looking for isn’t right. I think the problem is our pieces don’t match their needs. Ultimately if Towers moves off of the need for one stud PITCHER to have in the deal and realize he’s getting a chance at TWO highly regarded POSITION prospects along with a slew of secondary pitching and position prospects the deal gets done
I think Towers has actually done a good job at playing opossum in this scenario. It seems he keeps saying these offers aren’t enough and painting a huge gap between the Braves and the Cubs systems when in reality his asking price from the Braves was extraordinarily high
by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 18, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and I'll add
Peavy told the group he was with in Puerto Rico, as reported in the SD Union Trib, that he will not accept the trade to the Braves. It’s the Cubs or bust. With Moores’ divorce looming, they need to unload the contract. There is no need to make that deal today, but after the Dec 1 arbitration deadline, I think the picture becomes clearer.
I think the Wild Card in the whole deal is whether or not Harden becomes the SP San Diego is looking for. He would come cheap and net them draft picks after next year when he walks and allows Towers to save face by getting a real stud of a pitcher in return.
by socalbob on Nov 18, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps the real wild card is whether or not
Harden (or DeRo) could be spun for the “young stud”. That would save the Dads $7M and give them what they want. For some reason, they don’t seem to want to collect draft picks a la Billy Beane.
The “real stud” angle is interesting, though. Could Harden sell $7M worth of tickets?
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 18, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
maybe a DeRo or Harden could net a stud in return. Hadn’t thought of it that way.
I don’t think Harden sells $7MM worth of tickets, but allows Towers to tell the fans—“See, I got a real gem in return.” My guess is it fits Alderson’s mentality to acquire draft picks and get similar production from Harden as it realtes to Peavy all while getting out from under a long-term deal.
Truth be told, I would love to see how many games we could win with Z, Peavy, Harden, Lilly, and Dempster. That would be fun (although unrealisitic).
by socalbob on Nov 18, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is the whole idea of the "third team"...
They don’t want Harden or DeRo, but would like the Cubs to flip one or both to get them what they really want.
The problem is that I don’t think the Cubs want to trade DeRo, and it doesn’t make a lot of sense to trade Harden plus a boatload of prospects to get a pitcher who, while more durable than Harden, isn’t nearly as filthy.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 18, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’d rather have Harden than Peavey.
by McRipper on Nov 18, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs will not trade either Harden or DeRo to get Peavy.
Period.
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by derv on Nov 18, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you really rather trade Harden
than Lilly?
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by DGU on Nov 18, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly has "no trade protection"
according to Cot’s. I was limiting my discussion to players that don’t have NTCs. This potential deal is complicated enough without throwing an extra NTC into the mix.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 18, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gammons doesnt like out chances b/c of Ceda
• The Braves’ deal for Jake Peavy is not dead. Sending Jose Ceda to Florida lessened the Cubs’ chances. The Yankees are not in the running at all. Frank Wren still believes the Braves will get this trade done.
Again, just a brilliant deal by Hendry
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 18, 2008 11:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gammons said lessened
He didn’t say that Jose Ceda was required. I’m sure that Hendry knows what he needs if he wants Peavy. The Dempster signing makes it a moot point.
by rlpete on Nov 18, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he wanted a "super rotation"
Theres gotta be a market for Marquis, he’s essentially on a one year deal and he can eat up innings, so if they can unload him,that would take off 9M?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 18, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal says Peavy still possible
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 18, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
gammons
dont have the sources anymore. rosenthal seems to be the only one that knows anything.
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 18, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying Gammons is over the hill?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 18, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a very large one
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 18, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ceda Came From The Padres...
… so Towers likely didn’t want him.
Also, if he did, wouldn’t you think that Hendry would ask Towers which players he liked vs. which ones he didn’t? Those he didn’t Hendry could then move in other trades. This is all predicated on the fact that Hendry is still in play for Peavy.
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by initram on Nov 18, 2008 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noise from Atlanta
is that the Braves may get back in the Peavy derby.
by azjazzman on Nov 18, 2008 9:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They would be stupid to not Kick the tires again
since Dempster resigned with the Cubs.
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by TheRiot Police on Nov 18, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's some consolation there for Cub fans uncertain about the Demp deal
Demp appears to have been Atlanta’s first choice over Peavy, too.
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by DGU on Nov 19, 2008 6:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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