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There's been some intense hotstove action on BCB the past few weeks. Let's take a breather and have some fun.

Let me hear about your all time most disappointing free agent signings / trades. Those new players you were SO wanting to join the Cubs, but the move just didn't work out so well.

They can be big names or small names that you thought would make an impact.

Have at it everyone :)

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I was doing the butt dance in the car when I heard the trade announced on the radio. It just didn’t work out. Not his fault. Not the team’s fault.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Nov 19, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you on this one...

I was sure he was going to push us over the top. That was super exciting. Too bad he couldn’t stay healthy…

by digitalbenjamin on Nov 19, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can still remember

Peter Gammons talking about this on ESPN. He was saying what a great deal it was for the Cubs and that Nomar was going to hit a ton of home runs in Wrigley…

by DMCub on Nov 19, 2008 10:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have

8 total (in Wrigley)

2004 – 108 PA; 3 HR

2005 – 123 PA; 5 HR

2006 – 15 PA; 0 HR

by DMCub on Nov 19, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

In Hendry We Trust

by initram on Nov 19, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have never been more excited about a trade than I was on that day...

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Nov 19, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Same Here

In Hendry We Trust

by initram on Nov 19, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was at Wrigley that Saturday

walking in front of Bernies when the news broke. Literally screaming in the streets for Nomar. What a disappointment.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Nov 19, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Trading away Maddux for the second time.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2008 10:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

As I have said before

He was not traded he was “set free” I was VERY depressed but it was good for him.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 19, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mark Prior

for Miguel Tejada?

I can’t remember any specifics on that trade, or if it ever had any legs…..but what a great deal that would’ve been…

by DMCub on Nov 19, 2008 10:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

i think

it was going to be prior or Zambrano. i also think they were going to throw in erik bedard to at the time. can anyone back this up?

by Glacier on Nov 19, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

IIRC...

… there was a rumored Prior-for-Tejada deal. The Orioles asked for Zambrano instead of Prior and the Cubs stopped the talks.

That’s how I remember it, anyway. Search the site — there was probably quite a bit of discussion about it at the time.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 19, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

haha i found a good post

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2006/1/7/12923/67575

i love some of your comments. they seem so funny now.

i lik your soriano for patterson and a mid level prospect. funny how patterson used to have so much value

by Glacier on Nov 19, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

back in 05..remember that Soriano rumor?

I think it was Todd Walker, Mitre, and two prospects for Soriano?

To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!

by Chanman25 on Nov 19, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

… considering that what the Cubs have left for Walker and Mitre is Kevin Gregg, that probably would have been a good deal.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 19, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

“…and he (Hendry) would be nuts to deal Prior.” Damn you hindsight, damn you!!!

"I'm not an athlete, I'm a baseball player"
-John Kruk

by thinskull on Nov 19, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I think I recall Bedard’s name being included that rumor

by shastamasta on Nov 19, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rick Aguilera. He was the supposed to be the answer at closer. What a dog.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 19, 2008 10:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That would be my pick too

I was at his first appearance at Wrigley. He got the Marlins down to their last strike, then gave up a three-run inside-the-park homerun to an unknown rookie named Kevin Millar. I think that was the strangest play that I’ve ever seen in person…

…Millar hit a line drive into the well of the RF wall, Sosa tried to make a leaping catch but accidently kicked the ball into the corner and then had no idea where the ball had gone. Sammy put his arms up, thinking the ball had gotten caught in the ivy…while Millar was very slowly circling the bases for his first ML homer.

Aguilera was awful after coming to the Cubs that season. Even though he had a decent looking ERA, he blew five of his thirteen save chances after they acquired him.

"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko

by LaddieRenfroe on Nov 19, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We used to call him "gas can". Everytime he would come into the game

I would just turn off the TV and call it a day. I absolutely hated the guy.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 19, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was excited that the Cubs got Jody Gerut for Jason Dubois.

I thought Gerut had a lot of potential. He had a great rookie year, and was in the middle of a bad year, but I hoped a change of scenery would help him break out.

And there was a nice biographical piece, I think by Fred Mitchell, that’s not accessible on-line now (as far as I can tell), so I was rooting for Gerut.

Gerut got 14 ABs in 11 games with the Cubs before we traded him to the Pirates for a guy who had tested positive for PEDs, a guy we dumped a month later.

Then Gerut had a falling out with the Pirates, and it looked like his career was over.

It was pretty disappointing all around until Gerut came back this year for the Padres.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 19, 2008 10:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Gerut...

Gerut is a local boy, from Willowbrook HS in the western burbs, and is also a very intelligent and personable guy. He’s an easy guy to root for and I was glad to see that he played so well for the Padres this season.

He suffered a really bad knee injury just a few games after he was traded to Pittsburgh. He missed the rest of that season and two entire seasons after that. At some point during those lost years, he and the Pirates got into a dispute over whether another knee surgery was necessary.

"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko

by LaddieRenfroe on Nov 19, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm going to jump on the Nomar bandwagon

Not only did he contribute very little to the ill-fated 2004 team, his injury in early 2005 signaled the beginning of the end for that squad.

The 2005 team isn’t talked about much, other than Lee’s breakout year. It’s kind of amazing that that squad only won 79 games, even with the injuries.

by elgato on Nov 19, 2008 11:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nomar in '04

What do you mean he contributed very little? He hit .300 with a .360 OBP. He was as advertised.

by kanderber on Nov 19, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Todd Hundley

I was so excited about adding him to the lineup and the tie in because of Randy and such.

It's a boy. My new nephew William Oliver born 11/14/2008 256 am. Thank you to all who offered best wishes when I mentioned it a few times over this summer and fall.

That's not my nephew in the picture. Don't have one to upload yet.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 19, 2008 11:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You must have really been let down.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 19, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jose Macias

I kid, I kid.

Demp and Rich: proof that people that live in igloos and say "eh" can contibute!

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Nov 19, 2008 11:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tom Gordon....

I was pretty excited for him to come over during the off sesaon. He said all the right things before signing and then….

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson

by MikeOxbyg on Nov 19, 2008 11:32 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I Dont Know about you guys

But I was really excited about an above 300 average and about 12-18 homeruns from DOME last year. :(

by Kchance on Nov 19, 2008 11:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

How about the greatest signing that never happened?

As in, Julio Lugo, which many thought here would be the savior for the Cubs.

by NittanyCub on Nov 19, 2008 11:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Brian Roberts

The story so insufferable, it covers two hot stove seasons.

But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night

by N Oakley on Nov 19, 2008 11:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Two

and counting…

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 19, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to admit...

I was really excited about LaTroy Hawkins.

by digitalbenjamin on Nov 19, 2008 11:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

On Februray 2, 2005...
Acquired INF/OF Jerry Hairston, INF Mike Fontenot and RHP Dave Crouthers from the Orioles for OF Sammy Sosa and cash considerations.

In Hendry We Trust

by initram on Nov 19, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I remember thinking Hairston was going to be a good lead-off hitter.

Oh well.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 19, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

funny thing is Fontenot was just a throw in

who would have thought he’d actually be a good player?

To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!

by Chanman25 on Nov 19, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

aside from his headfirst slides into first,

I liked Hairston. He gave his all each game, and a pretty solid 4th OFer, so naturally he started for Dusty.

"I'm not an athlete, I'm a baseball player"
-John Kruk

by thinskull on Nov 19, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Danny Jackson.

He had been a 23-game winner only three years earlier. Yes, he was coming off an injury, but I figured at age 29 he could easily come back. Plus, I remembered well the four-hit game he had against the Cubs on September 4, 1988, all while throwing a six-hit shutout.

Jackson went 5-14 as a Cub before he was finally dumped to the Pirates for a player who was at least partly useful, Steve Buechele.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 19, 2008 12:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

and Dave Smith

Dave Smith may have been the worst closer the Cubs have ever had. That’s saying quite a lot. Good grief! I knew the guy was past his prime when he got to Chicago, but I had no idea he was going to be absolutely horrid for the Cubs. There had to have been more to it than Wrigley Field being a worse pitcher’s ballpark than the Astrodome.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Nov 19, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The list of bad closers the Cubs have picked up over the years is amazing. From Dave Smith to Mel Rojas

to Rick Aguilera. A veritable who’s who of rag-armed dogs.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 19, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

El Pulpo

has to hit the list, luckily Matt Clement came with him.

But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night

by N Oakley on Nov 19, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The deal that almost happened

Prior for Abreu in 2006. Boy, would that have been good in hindsite

To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!

by Chanman25 on Nov 19, 2008 12:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

nice

fanpost btw.

Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!

by cubsluver22 on Nov 19, 2008 12:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Some deals only seem bad in retrospect...

…but that seemed moronic from Day One. Certainly Garland never ended up being that good, but trading a number one pick for a middling journeyman reliever is just idiocy. …plus I wouldn’t have minded having a cheap inning-eater with a league-average ERA from 2002-2007+/-.

by MarchHare on Nov 19, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember thinking...

Trading Bell for some guy named Sosa was the worst trade ever. Hmm, good thing I’m not the GM haha

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Nov 19, 2008 12:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That happened because...

….Himes had a personal crush on Sosa.

by TheHawkRules on Nov 19, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fukudome.

There’s still time, and for a good two months Lou had the lefty bat he wanted. But, damn, did he ever turn a Soriano-like 180.

make*art

by neverAcquiesce on Nov 19, 2008 12:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Soriano-like?

If Sori had been healthy for the season, he would have hit a large number of home-runs.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Nov 19, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was referring to the turn only.

In reference to how Fonzie turns from really good to really bad and vice versa frequently. Unfortunately, Dome never turned back.

make*art

by neverAcquiesce on Nov 19, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dave Kingman

I thought he’d shatter Hank Aaron’s HR record playing in Wrigley and, granted, that 79 season he had was huge, but then…poof…he was gone.

Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard

by carmen_fanzone on Nov 19, 2008 12:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jose Guzman.........

………..was pretty disappointing. Cubs inked him to a huge 4-year deal and he was out of baseball after one season.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Nov 19, 2008 12:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Guzman had a great start though...

…coming within a strike of a no-hitter in his Cub debut. That game was one of the few good memories from the Himes era.

"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko

by LaddieRenfroe on Nov 19, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was at that game.

April 6, 1993. Guzman took a perfect game into the 8th before walking Terry Pendleton. You’re right, he allowed a hit with one strike to go in the 9th.

Guzman did make four really bad starts in 1994 for the Cubs and hung around in their minor league system till 1996.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 19, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Did he get hurt?

He suffered a serious arm injury, didn’t he? That’s what I remember, at least. Guzman had pretty good stuff before that.

"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko

by LaddieRenfroe on Nov 19, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That was classic.

Appear as though you were a great signing, and then after one mediocre season, suck forever as a member of the Cubs’ payroll. Typical.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Nov 21, 2008 12:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

91?

I believe it was the 90-91 offseason. The Cubs signed George Bell, Danny Jackson, and closer Dave Smith. They added a slugger in Bell, to add to Dawson, Sandberg, and Grace. They got Jackson who had won over 20 games before in a season, and a decent closer in Smith. Everybody was expecting good things from the Cubs. There was an atmosphere of excitement as far as I was concerned.

Well, Bell had an OK year. But Jackson and Smith both did horrible. It didn’t go long into the season that everything fell apart. I also think that was the year Zimmer was fired. Maybe I’m wrong though….

I was very disappointed after that year.

Ah well. I remember getting very excited about the Nomar trade also. That ended up being a bust.

’84’s Sutcliffe trade has to be the best in franchise history. ’93’s A-Ram and Lofton may be 2nd all-time.

At least, I think so… off the top of my head.

by TheHawkRules on Nov 19, 2008 1:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1 (or +91, I should say)

I thought they’d win the division for sure with the additions of Bell, Jackson, and Smith. But then there was that awful April series in Pittsburgh where they pissed away two leads going into the bottom of the final inning.

I know I always say this, but if it’s possible for a team to quit in April, the 1991 Cubs did. They never recovered.

"The object of a ball game for the fan is not to be entertained. It is to win." - Max Lapides

by CaliCub on Nov 19, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're Exactly RIght

Where those the games when Andre Dawson hit those Grand Slams? If I remember correctly, he put the Cubs in the lead and dominated, only to have the bullpen blow it. I just remember that all the air seemed sucked out of the team.

On a positive note, I also remembered just how dominating and scary Andre Dawson was when he got hot. Was that the season where he was intentionally walked like 5 times in a game? When he was hot… he was a monster!

Miss him!

by TheHawkRules on Nov 19, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hawk slams

Friday night, a PH-GS put them up by 1 in the 9th, IIRC. Sunday, a slam put them up by 5 in the 11th (extra innings if not 11th). Lost both.

Biggest extra-inning blown lead in NL history, at least at that time.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 19, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember watching both of those...

Man, I miss watching Andre play. He was the man.

by TheHawkRules on Nov 19, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maldonado for Glenallen Hill

…the only good thing about Candy Maldonado’s time with the Cubs was listening to Harry mess up his name….“Manny Colorado”

"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko

by LaddieRenfroe on Nov 19, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If....

…Maldonado would have went into the candy business while he played baseball, he’d be up there with Willy Wonka.

by TheHawkRules on Nov 19, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Letting go of Wood in 2008

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2008 1:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+multi-year deal

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Nov 19, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Acquisitions that didn't happen

Not getting Terry Pendleton or Robin Ventura to play 3B was very disappointing. But I remember being absolutely livid with Ed Lynch for not getting Randy Johnson at the trade deadline in 1998. So much so that I wrote him a letter expressing my disappointment and anger.

"The object of a ball game for the fan is not to be entertained. It is to win." - Max Lapides

by CaliCub on Nov 19, 2008 1:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We had a chance to get him?

Don’t remember that…. woulda been COOL!

by TheHawkRules on Nov 19, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't do it because Seattle wanted the next Johnny Bench

Pat Cline

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 19, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Some Japanese Sensation.....

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 19, 2008 2:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Saddest Day for Me...

…was hearing that Mark Grace was no longer going to be a Cub. I was young and didn’t know everything about free agency but I was almost in tears. So happy when he got his ring.

by northpaw22k on Nov 19, 2008 3:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

Then he gave the interview on the field and I changed my mind.

But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night

by N Oakley on Nov 19, 2008 4:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 19, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I for one was totally behind Himes' thinking and getting those three live arms for that

scrawny Maddux. It never occurred to me that Maddux might have another good season.

Sincerely,

Ernie Broglio

by DudeVf11 on Nov 19, 2008 8:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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