Rich Hill... Still Getting Hit Hard
by Al Yellon on Nov 19, 2008 4:49 PM CST
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PrintFor those of you who think Rich Hill might still be a viable option for the Cubs pitching staff next year, this report about his last outing (which appears to have been a couple of days ago) is less than encouraging.
I won't post the online translation, because it does, as most online translations do, tend toward the humorous. I will, however, note that Google Translate said that Hill:
has been forgotten by launching the strike zone
... and that seems just about right. If I'm reading this right, he allowed seven runs (five earned) in less than three innings, and threw two wild pitches.
I know there are some native Spanish speakers here -- if one of you could translate that link more accurately, I'd appreciate it.
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Take off every curveball...
For great justice!
Sorry couldn’t resist the reference with the goofy translation.
Looks like Rich will soon be forgotten due to launching of his fastball.
Way back... outta here!!!
I Like This
already accumulated several consecutive outings without going beyond the third episode.
In Hendry We Trust
What Sport Is This?
On this occasion, the only left-handed pitcher was kept for about 7 inning complete tolerated where racing (5 clean), 2 unstoppable, 3 tickets 2 wild pitch and beaten.
In Hendry We Trust
I dunno
but it sounds incredibly complicated.
"I love when they play that Go Cubs Win song."
Were those speeding tickets or parking tickets?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
From The Play-By-Play
In the 7th:
Defensive changes in the Sharks, Wilfredo Romero covers the left, Angel Rodriguez covers the central garden, Jason Lane covers the garden right, Javier Colina covers the third, Liu Rodriguez covers the second and Danny Sandoval is the campocorto
In Hendry We Trust
I played campocorto
in Little League.
"I love when they play that Go Cubs Win song."
"Central garden"
… sounds lovely.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Yes, it does.
We’ll be lunching in the central garden and then moving to garden right for afternoon sherry and cigars.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
LOL.
Literally, laugh out loud.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Nov 19, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
There's a mask on the site that prevents me from reading
But the gist of it is that he allowed five earned runs, two unearned, three base-on-balls, two wild pitches over seven innings of work.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
OK, got it
Here goes, second graph, which is what interests us:
“Aragua’s starting pitching was terrible[…] beginning with starting pitcher Rich Hill, who has forgotten how to throw strikes and hasn’t gone over three innings in his last few appearances. This time, he only lasted one inning, allowing 7 runs (5 earned), 2 hits, 3 BB, 2 wild pitches and one hit batter.”
Sorry for the poor job above.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Wow, that's even worse than I thought.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Holy crap.
That’s awful. His pitching career may end right there in Venezuela.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
Hey! Maybe we can trade Rich Hill for...
HA! Gotcha. We can’t trade him for anyone.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
Poor kid. It must be psychological, right?
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
In the words of our beloved Al...
“He’s Done. Done.”
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
In this case, I think you're right.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Maybe
Maybe he’s not done. Maybe it’s like a bad golf swing. He’s corrected something and is throwing strikes, but now he’s got to get the rest of it right and is throwing meatballs.
OK, that seems a bit of a dream. But, I like Hill and I’d love to see him right the ship
OT--Fantasy
Prior to last season, I traded my 8th round pick for the right to keep good ole Rich in my long time, college buddy, fantasy baseball keeper league. The cost to keep him was his round pick in the prior season (the 12th). So I gave up my 8th and 12th round picks for the rights to 30 or so innings of terrible. I will forever be haunted by this. The only bright spot was the guy who was selected with my 8th round pick was none other than the flailing foreigner, Kosuke Fukudome, who is mildly worthless for fantasy purposes. Not as worthless as Hill, but still. I hope Rich can get it back but I doubt it. At least we could have a lefty OF in a couple of years ala Ankiel.
This doesn't sound good in English or Spanish...
El pitcheo aragüeño en este partido fue totalmente desastroso, solo las intervenciones de los relevistas Rubén Quevedo, Frank Mata, Carmen Cali y José Guanchez, destacaron al contener la ofensiva de los escualos, pero el resto dejó mucho que desear, empezando por el abridor Rich Hill a quien se le ha olvidado lanzar por la zona de strike y ya acumula varias salidas consecutivas sin ir más allá del tercer episodio. En esta ocasión, el lanzador zurdo apenas se mantuvo por espacio de inning completo donde toleró 7 carreras (5 limpias), 2 imparables, 3 boletos 2 wild pitch y golpeado. Otro que actuó sin efectividad fue Rosman García que en relevo de un episodio toleró cinco carreras, seis hits y par de ponches. Y para concluir con malas actuaciones desde el montículo, Justin Berg ni siquiera pudo completar el inning de trabajo donde permitió 8 carreras con 5 hits, 3 boletos y golpeado.
This is my translation; I’m sure that Fraggin Judge could do better:
The Araguan pitching in this game was totally disastrous, only the efforts of the relievers Ruben Quevedo, Frank Mata, Carmen Cali, and Jose Guanchez contained the offense of the Escualos, but the rest left much to be desired, beginning with starter Rich Hill, who has forgotten to throw to the strike zone and already accumulated various consecutive outings without going more than a third of an inning. On this occasion, the left-handed pitcher hardly maintained himself for any part of an inning where he tolerated 7 runs (5 earned), 2 strikeouts, 3 [free] tickets, 2 wild pitches and one hit-batsman. The other that acted without effectiveness was Rosman Garcia who in relief for an inning tolerated five runs, six hits, and a pair of punch-outs. And concluding the bad actions from the mound, Justin Berg without being able to complete an inning of work where he permitted 8 runs on 5 hits, 3 passes and a hit-batsman.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
One correction:
“Imparables” means hits.
Otherwise, I’m impressed of your Spanish. My respect for you—very high before right now—has increased twofold.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Thanks!
I get confused with some of the “baseball Spanish” terms because some announcers use English (“el shortstop”) and some translate everything (“el cortocampo”).
Thanks for the new word…imparable. (I had always heard “dos hits”, “tres hits”, etc.)
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
Shortstop
My term would be “parador en corto.” But I believe that varies in each country.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
What country are you from?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
Mexico
Born and raised. College, graduate and doctoral studies in the U.S. though.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
I heard cortocampo when I lived in Florida...
primarily Cuban and Puerto Rican Spanish. I grew up in Denver hearing Mexican Spanish, but my Spanish classes all taught Castilian Spanish (no baseball terms). Do you use the term jonrón or cuadrangular for home run? That is another term that varies widely by country. I think that Americanized Spanish speakers (U.S. born and raised of Hispanic descent) tend to use the Americanized terms like “hits”, “pitcheador”, and “jonrón” instead of “imparables”, “lanzador”, and “cuadrangular”.
Also, do you like Vinny Castilla managing the Mexican WBC team?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
I grew up listening to two very special TV announcers
They were great, but with the government’s control of the media, they were prompted to use “academic Spanish.” So they came up with a few words and terms and my generation and a couple behind mine know and use these terms.
A pitcher is never a “pitcheador.” He is a “lanzador.” A HR is a “cuadrangular.” An Outfielder is a “jadrinero,” as in a garden keeper. That’s why Google had problems with that translation.
Vinny Castilla has been very good in the Rockies A and AA teams. He hasn’t managed, but he’s been a bench coach and a scout. Mexico can field a good team, but it will fall short of the playoffs. Japan, U.S., the D.R. and Venezuela have all the best players in the world. Right now, Mexico has two world-class players: Adrian Gonzalez and Joakim Soria. Hardly world-beaters. But it should be a great tournament, like the one two years ago.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
I grew up hearing primarily Mexican Spanglish
so there were a lot of Anglicized terms. A few others ("cortocampo") might be Puerto Rican or Cuban. I think that I have always heard OFs called “jardineros”, but most of the other positions seem to have a bit of variety. (I even heard one announcer use “catcheador” instead of “receptor”.) It would have been a lot better if I had learned one country’s “pure Spanish”.
I have noticed that there isn’t even all that much consistency among MLB’s Spanish language announcers and the MLB.com Spanish language reporters. I guess it depends on their countries of origin.
Thanks for the Spanish lesson.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
You Should Consider...
… using the Google Translate “Provide a Better Translation” utlitiy they have out there…
In Hendry We Trust
Next time...
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
um never mind
should have checked before posting , he turns THIRTY in January. Must be all the other players he eats that keep him healthy or at least
that is what I remember thinking about his size.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 19, 2008 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
erm....if we are going by players eaten years
Fielder has gotta be like 80 years old..
To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!
I think we now know that Rich Hill is possibly done as a ML player
funny, he had such a high ceiling. Pity we didn’t trade him but who honestly thought he would plummet this far from grace? I mean, damn…
To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!
oh and since I like the number
this is my 7777 post!
To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!
Lucky you.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
This is such a shame...
He was on such a great path
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Hill is, and has been, done
He had one good pitch. Now he can’t even throw THAT for strikes.
Move on, he’s done.
can't wait for that ptbnl
actually, it’ll probably be a ptbnl that never gets named, at the rate things are going. okay, that’s exaggerating, as I think some team will toss soome scrap for him as a rehab project, rather than bidding on him.
Baltimore still makes the most sense because of Dunn.
All i can say is hindsight is really 20/20
i dont know anyone who would have traded Rich Hill last offseason… I wouldnt have traded him for Bedard straight up (had as much to do with Bedards injury history and lack of loving the game as much as i thought Hill was at least a great #2)
I dont fault hendry i just say wow…. wow…… He has completely f’n lost it. …. Dont know if its because we demoted him.. (i remember watching his third start in pitt and it was absurd. thank god for soto) but he is terrible…
It really is sad
On the terms of sad scale of cubs players who lost it…
1. Prior (no one even comes close i shed a tear every day…)
2. Patterson (He would have been an all star if not for running through that bag most likely he was never the same)
3. Hill
these are the guys i know of in my 13 years of following… that had so much upside and never got it together… Please correct me if i am wrong someone…
I really want Prior to be healthy… He was that AMAZING… I dont think anyone can counter with an argument that they saw this coming in late 2003…
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
its funny when the post was talking about the tejada for prior trade..
looking back on it i still wouldnt do it…
Prior was THAT prospect…. :( :( :(
It is sickening hearing people call David Price the best prospect since Prior.. I hope Price works out.. (saw him dominate my gamecocks in college with three first rounders on our offense + one supplemental in Smoak, Havens, Chisenhall, and Darnell)
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
Anytime you can get a star everyday player
especially at a position like SS, you trade a player who can only contribute every 5 days.
That was my belief when the Prior/Tejada trade was being proposed and it still is.
And, of course, as it turns out...
… Tejada for Prior would have been an absolute steal.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Poor Rich Hill.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
Y'know, I've made a couple...
…impassioned rants in Rich Hill’s defense. Up until now, my perspective has been that, because we don’t really know the extent of his physical problems (back trouble, I believe), we don’t really know how these physical problems were affecting him mentally. I was guessing (hoping, really) that, once he got his back in better shape, he’d be able to recover his mechanics and all this talk of Rich being a “head case” would be proven premature.
But, well, if he’s pitching in Venezuela in freakin’ November, I can’t imagine he’s still injured. If his back was still a problem, wouldn’t he be resting up, rehabbing, etc.? In any case, I think I’m ready to give in and start believing that we are seeing a severe case of the Yips unlike any in recent memory. And I think Sweet Lou is going to take one look at Hill’s winter league numbers and immediately pick up the phone and tell Hendry to find a way to cut ties with (not-so-)Filthy Rich. It’s sad, sad stuff. But that’s baseball.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
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