Billy Corgan blames Eddie Vedder for 2008 Cubs Loss
by Eamus J Catuli on Nov 20, 2008 5:25 PM CST
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I saw this at last night's Smashing Pumpkins concert and fortunately someone else had a video camera.
Billy Corgan (lead singer of the Smashing Pumpkins) pretty much up and blamed Eddie Vedder (lead singer of Pearl Jam) for the Cubs' 2008 loss when he releasedthat "All the Way" sone a few months back.
Corgan also said he's thinking about recording his own Cubs song ... which he feels he can make a better one than "Go Cubs Go"
You can watch it here ... http://homerderby.com/archives/2986
I say Billy should shut up and sing.
Mind you he did rip on White Sox fans in attendance.
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I always wondered if Billy would comment on that.
I wasn’t sure if him and Eddie Vedder were buddies, enemies, or what.
I think it’s stupid to “blame” Eddie Vedder for anything, but this is funny. I hope he does write a Cubs song though, the more the better!
by kanderber on Nov 20, 2008 5:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
somebody should tell billy about BCB...
…he can vent here all he wants, although Al would not think fondly of his foul language
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 20, 2008 5:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How do you know
that I’m not Billy Corgan?
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Nov 20, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cuz I saw your picture in da paper.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 21, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats great
man that girl with camera is annoying though….I like “Go Cubs Go” as much as the next fan, but its a bit hokey…..but thats part of its brilliance, I suppose.
Billy Corgan never struck me as a sports fan
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 20, 2008 5:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's a big time sports fan
atleast a Cubs fan. I forget the name of the show and it was about 15 years ago but it was with Telander, Bentley and gawd, the rest of their names escape me and they sat around a round table smoking Cigars and talking about Chicago sports but occasionally Corgan would come on the show and for the most part handle his own.
I think maybe there might be a little resentment there with Eddie getting a lot of attention with the Cubs and singing TMOTTBG and now that song. I imagine Billy’s like “Hang on, what the F@%k, I actually grew up in this town (Eddie’s from Evanston but moved as a young teenager) and am a huge Cubs fan” and like he said, “singing a song about MY team”.
Has Corgan ever sang TMOTTBG? Has he ever done anything with the Cubs? If so, I don’t recall.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 20, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Take Me Out To The BallGame.
n/t :)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 20, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The show you're thinking of is
“Sportwriters on TV,” which I used to watch. It was on SportsChannel back in the 80’s and 90’s. Joe Mooshill, Bill Gleason and Bill Jauss were some of the other writers featured.
"In an ocean or in a glass, cool water is such a gas."
by markleonette on Nov 20, 2008 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, and in 2004...
…Billy made a weekly appearance on WXRT to talk Cubs with Lin Brehmer.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 21, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And in the recent ESPN "A Cubs Fan Profile"...
…that profiled a cubs fan from every decade since the Cubs last won the WS, he was profiled:
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3582135
by AndrewJStone on Nov 21, 2008 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In which he describes....
….. how Cub fans have sat through “40 win seasons” and how he keeps a “healthy distance” as a fan nowadays.
Sounds pretty fair weather to me.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Nov 21, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous to blame a song
Especially one as great as “All The Way”. Do you think Red Sox fans blamed “Sweet Caroline” up until 2004? I think Billy is just jealous that he didn’t write that song. Also just for grins here is a pic I took of Eddie last summer when I worked at Wrigley, hes a really nice guy his bodyguard on the other hand not so much
"Okay, just so I understand it...in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil."- Jim Halpert
by ryanbrixenivy on Nov 21, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Photo caption:
Eddie Vedder signs off on the death sentence for the Cubs 2008 postseason in exchange for a guarantee that sales of the next Pearl Jam album will exceed 10,000.
I keed, I keed. It wasn’t Eddie’s fault!
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 21, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet Caroline
Does anyone know why they play that? I don’t get it.
It's a boy. My new nephew William Oliver born 11/14/2008 256 am. Thank you to all who offered best wishes when I mentioned it a few times over this summer and fall.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 21, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I read this, but still don't know why that song was singled out
Other than, maybe, that it’a a good sing-along song.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/
by lostinthevines on Nov 21, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/
by lostinthevines on Nov 21, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK why isn't is copying-and-pasting? I give up...
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/
by lostinthevines on Nov 21, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to recall
him singing during a certain series in ’03… (shudders)
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/ Go There! It's Marginally Decent!
by TheTruth11 on Nov 20, 2008 6:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dead Man Walking game
Wasn’t he stuck with the LCS seventh game in 2003 after Wood gave up the lead?
by roost66 on Nov 20, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ouch, really.
Maybe that’s why I’ve never seen him singing the song.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 20, 2008 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
Billy Corgan can stop singing, too. He hasn’t put out a decent album in, what, a decade?
by cwyers on Nov 20, 2008 9:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Zwan
Come on. It was great and sooooo easy to overlook! =D
by MattHaggard on Nov 21, 2008 1:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Billy’s problem is he’s TOO prolific. He seems to record and release every riff and melody that passes through his shaven head. I still find “Gish” pretty powerful and “Siamese Dream” is just about perfect, though was way overexposed.
After that, things get really dicey. I actually thought “Adore” was pretty decent, but only when listened to as a Corgan solo album. At this late date, however, I find his voice just about unbearable.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 21, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gish
Is really good and probably my personal favorite SP CD and on occasion, I will still pop it into my CD player in my car for old times sake.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 21, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I saw them at the Metro on that tour.
I think I’d heard only one or two songs by them at that point. I’ll never forget stumbling into the balcony, looking down on the stage and seeing Billy standing there, with his long sheets of hair and paisley shirt, hunched over his guitar, raising an unholy storm of feedback. The band had a lot more mystique back then.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 21, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Corgan is a douchebag
And, in its defense, Vedder’s song isn’t about the 2008 season. It’s about the history of being a Cubs fan. Something, at least from that SI.com video feature, Corgan hasn’t truly been since he bailed after the 2003 playoff collapse.
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by carmen_fanzone on Nov 20, 2008 9:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, the song certainly had nothing to do with anything
But I was surprised at the timing and the popularity. It’s a wistful song that would have made more sense to catch on in a bad year or after a collapse, not on the cusp of what we all thought would be a historic run
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 21, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
My sentiments exactly! “Someday” strikes the wrong note for a winning season. “Go Cubs Go” is totally positive. Hokey? Maybe, but when I hear it I know it’s another Cubs win. And what’s wrong with tradition, anyway?
by Section 527 on Nov 22, 2008 7:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Corgan is my homie!
Love the guy! Billy just likes to bitch. =) He’s just mad that Vedder beat him to it. Just ask Corgan what he thinks about Goodman!
by MattHaggard on Nov 21, 2008 1:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
what kind of guy puts on a show
and then ends it with a prolonged **** you at his audience? This is artistry?
by Emelie on Nov 21, 2008 2:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The past decade of his career has been a prolonged f--- you.
Why should this be any different?
by cwyers on Nov 21, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs fan or not
IMHO — The guy is really not a heck of alot different than every other self promoting jerk out there trying to hock t-shirts, “woo-woo” all the time for beers and opportunitues to grope drunk girls, or wear a giant bear costume that probably smells like an outhouse and is infested with 2 decades of pubic lice.
These guys are out to promote themselves for the almighty dollar…and if they can scrape some away some additional dough from fans of a baseball team with a very loyal following all the better.
by StevenABQ on Nov 21, 2008 9:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, as rambling, self-indulgent on-stage rants go...
…that was fairly entertaining. Then again, I was born, raised and still dwell here in the Chicago area, so it plays well to me. I can only imagine how bored out-of-towners and non-baseball-fans must’ve been.
As I’m not a big fan of either Vedder or Corgan (or their respective bands), I’m not really going to take a side here. The more cynical part of me actually applauds Billy for sparking this feud (real or otherwise). It is the off season, after all, and it’s not like there’s that much else to do. I hope Eddie responds by scrawling “Screw you, Corgan” across his chest during a 20-minute version of “Alive” or something.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 21, 2008 10:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I blame
I blame Weird Al. Not Al our fearless webmaster but Weird Al Yankovic.
It's a boy. My new nephew William Oliver born 11/14/2008 256 am. Thank you to all who offered best wishes when I mentioned it a few times over this summer and fall.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 21, 2008 1:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 21, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
'Cause he talked about his Baloney?
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 21, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was kidding
Was kidding about Weird Al. Actually truth of the matter I blame Rex Grossman. He was at game 1.
It's a boy. My new nephew William Oliver born 11/14/2008 256 am. Thank you to all who offered best wishes when I mentioned it a few times over this summer and fall.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 22, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
One of his songs is “My Baby’s In Love With Eddie Vedder”
It's a boy. My new nephew William Oliver born 11/14/2008 256 am. Thank you to all who offered best wishes when I mentioned it a few times over this summer and fall.
That's not my nephew in the picture. Don't have one to upload yet.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 22, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I only
I only blame him for writing and performing a terrible song, and for being obnoxious.
by morgane on Nov 21, 2008 2:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Eddie Vedder is a legend
Pearl Jam Ten is one of the greatest albums ever made. I like Corgan but he’s no Eddie.
Plus, did anyone see Milton on that video montage to “All the way”?!?!
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by DTJchris on Nov 21, 2008 3:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
boy do I miss Milton
life just isn’t the same without him
by Emelie on Nov 21, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vedder and Corgan both are Cub fans
and that’s where the comparison’s between the two end. Corgan is definitely no Eddie.
Eddie attends the Cubs fantasy camp every year and I’ve never seen Billy there. Maybe Billy can attend this year and Eddie can pitch to him. Billy better be wearing a helmet. I’d like to see that.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 21, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
…they both haven’t put out good albums in years? I think that’s a relevant comparison point.
by cwyers on Nov 21, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Into the Wild
Is a very good CD put out by Vedder, within the last year. Eddie is always collaberating and putting out music, independantly of Pearl Jam and is very respected in the music industry,by his peers and Corgan, is not. Corgan couldn’t hold a candle to Eddie when it comes to writing a song with sincere emotion. Corgan has made a living out of candy pop songs as Eddie has not.
I sense you don’t think he’s a talented songwriter or musician, which is your opinion but I imagine you’re not aware of 50% of his work.
I guess with no baseball to disagree about, we have to find something.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 21, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've listened to "Temple of the Dog," if that tells you anything.
I just don’t think Pearl Jam has done much of note since before Riot Act.
by cwyers on Nov 21, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
Eddie sang one song and not even a whole song on that CD. You might be thinking of Chris Cornell who wrote the lyrics to every song on that legendary CD, which ofcourse was inspired and came out of the ashes of the death of his best friend and lead singer of Mother Love Bone, Andrew Wood. FWIW, Pearl Jam, minus Eddie Vedder, was originally Mother Love Bone. Then after Eddie Vedder joined the group they went by “Mookie Blaylock” before settling on Pearl Jam.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 21, 2008 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
let's not get crazy
Billy Corgan, regardless of what you think of him, is an immensely talented musician as he typically wrote the lyrics and all instrumentation for every Pumpkins song. The Smashing Pumpkins are no more “candy pop” than anything Pearl Jam has released. and no sincere emotion? Listen to Adore, nearly the entire album is addressing the loss of Corgan’s mother. In addition to that Corgan has evolved his sound while Vedder finds it safer to stick to the “mindless jock rock” that made him famous (those aren’t my words, but Kurt Cobain’s). Also if you think it’s relevant, Corgan actually resides in Chicago while Vedder and his super-model girlfriend (how’s that for sincere) live in San Diego.
I’m not a fan of either, but Vedder is a blowhard tittybaby with the ideology of an abrasive 15 year old girl and released a Cubs themed song to make a quick buck. He can screw himself.
by morgane on Nov 22, 2008 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF does it matter that Vedder does not live in Chicago?
and Corgan does? Does it make Corgan a better musician because he stayed in Chicago and Vedder did not? Does it make Corgan a bigger Cubs fan because he stayed in Chicago and Vedder did not?
I no longer reside in Chicago, so by that logic, I guess that makes me less of a Cub fan.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 22, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vedder
Vedder still charged people for an uncut recording of a terrible song. He is a clown.
Why didn’t he write “All The Way” in 2006 when we were all still paying to go to games in spite of dying a little bit after 96 of them.
If we’re talking relative merits, how much of the instrumentation on Ten did Vedder write himself?
by morgane on Nov 22, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll play
On Ten, he wrote zero of the instrumentation but speaking of “evolving” every CD thereafter, he has contributed to more and more songs, “instrumentation” wise. He released a CD called “into the Wild” last year, where he wrote and performed many different instruments, if that makes any difference to you, which I could care less because it’s obvious you’re just a douch bag looking to troll.
I love your sad and frivolous concept of what makes a better musician and that’s apparently if you play more instruments. I can play 4 different instruments, does that make me a better musician than Eddie Vedder? I don’t think so.
I also think it’s funny that you consider Corgan such a “great musician” when in fact, he’s technically, not a very good guitar player. Let’s not forget he possesses a voice that is more annoying than nails on a chalk board and Just because you make crappy music with zero substance (with a ton of effects to cover up your flawed structure)and do so while playing more instruments, doesn’t make you a better musician.
Smashing Pumpkins haven’t been the same without James Iha and despite this mythical idea that Corgan is the “musical genius” behind the Pumpkins, we wouldn’t know who Billy Corgan was, without James Iha, who was just as important to the Pumpkins success and collaberated just as much to the Pumpkins music as Corgan, but didn’t need to go telling everyone within 5 miles how great of a musician he was, to stroke his insecure shattered ego.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 22, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please...
I like “Ten” but “Siamese Dream” blows it out of the water in every way.
As morgane mentions below, Corgan has evolved and continually attempted to make innovative records. Pearl Jam still writes good songs but their sound is largely unchanged since ’91.
"That’s what I love about my skip, man. He’ll tell you that you suck...I know I suck. We know we suck...Yeah, we suck. But we’ll see who sucks at the end."
- Gary Sheffield
by DrGalazkiewicz on Nov 22, 2008 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Smashing Pumpkins have "evolved"
into utter crap. To say that Pearl Jam hasn’t “evolved” or still sound like they did in ‘91 is a bunch of szit. That statement there just show’s your ignorance on the band. Off the top of my head, a song that has a baseball influenced (although the song is not at all about baseball) title and I’d like you to download is"Bush Leaguer" which was recorded 6 years ago and he got a lot of heat for writing the song but how prophetic and true it has turned out.
Pearl Jam and Eddie Vedder are just as relavent and maybe more so (definitely more so on a global level), than they were in ‘91, while Billy Corgan and Smashing Pumpkins are not. Don’t get me wrong, Smashing Pumpkins are a fine band, but let’s not compare the two bands and specifically Billy and Eddie.
Just because a band “evolve’s” doesn’t necessarily mean that’s a good thing though either. Just look at Metallica!
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 22, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding me?!
Ten is a classic. Alive, Evenflow, Jeremy, Black are all incredible songs that have withstood the test of time.
Everyone’s taste in music is different and perhaps because Ten came out when I was 12 or 13 and really struck a cord with me has made me love that album, but it is widely considered an incredibly influential album to this day. So, perhaps, we have a different taste in music, which is cool, but there’s no way that Siamese Dream blows Ten out of the water.
Plus, any band that has had the distinct honor of rocking out with Neil Young instantly propels them to a higher level.
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by DTJchris on Nov 22, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I missed the part how Siamese Dream blows away Ten!!
That’s hysterical. Siamese Dream is a fine CD and all and I know everyone has different tastes in music, but if you really believe SD is a better CD than Ten, your musical taste sucks;)~
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 22, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So I gather that Vedder and Corgan
.. won’t be doing a two part harmony of TMOTTBG next year?
.. or be the battery for the Opening Day Ceremonial First Pitch?
.. Boy, how’d you like to be a fly on the wall in the old TV booth when they get interviewed for the bottom of the 7th? Or the guy manning the F Bomb Detectors in the broadcast trailer??
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Nov 22, 2008 1:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
songs
how,s about we get cheap trick to write a cub song. gotta be a cub fan among that bunch
by NOMAR on Nov 22, 2008 5:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
I LOOOOOVE Cheap Trick. In fact, I’m going to see them next month. I think Rick Neilsen could write a pretty darn good Cubbies song.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
by zm1217 on Nov 22, 2008 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Darn it...
Shoulda been a reply to NOMAR.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
by zm1217 on Nov 22, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I spelled Nielsen wrong...
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
by zm1217 on Nov 22, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
trick
they were just here in clearwater fri playing the sgt pepper album. unfortunately ticket prices of 50-75-150.00 kept me from attending.still the greatest band though.
by NOMAR on Nov 23, 2008 7:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
stop the blame game
don’t blame Eddie. I’m tired of people being so supersticious that it’s like, “oh I shouldn’t have spilled my drink at the game, that’s probably why the Cubs lost, oh I’ll blame the loss on a spilled drink.” You know what I mean. People are so quick to blame anything that has nothing to do with what actually happened on the ball field. And for Bartman’s case, leave the man alone, he has nothing to do with anything. Blame Moises Alou for his absolutely non-professional reaction after he missed the catch. Once he reacted that way, he provoked the team to give up a huge inning, and the whole crowd to chant “@#$hole” and throw beer at Bartman.
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