Early Guestimate of 2009 Roster
My attempts at prognostication are usually foolhardy. However, since this will not cost me money; (unless a kangaroo court exists on the site) here is what I think will happen for next season roster-wise.
Position Players:
Lee; DeRosa; Theriot; Ramirez; Soto; Soriano; Reed Johnson; Fukodome; Cedeno; Fontenot; Blanco; Pie; and THE HOLE.
Pitchers:
Dempster; Zambrano; Harden; Lilly; Randy Johnson; Marshall; Gaudin; Guzman; Samardzija; Cotts; Gregg; and Marmol.
I still can't figure out how to fill THE HOLE.
Abreu/Huff/Ibanez/Teahen/Hermida/Dunn...let's face it-they all come with problems. Some are financial; some would need proper trade pieces; and all have defensive liabilities to play a tough right field. What did Michael Douglas as Gordon Gekko say in "Wall Street"; "Pick the dog with the least fleas." Salary constraints probably won't allow it but I would pick Abreu.
I like the signing of the Big Unit because I believe he's a Type B free agent which only would give the Snakes a sandwich pick. Plus a one year deal would give the Cubs more flexibility in 2010.
Wild Cards:
Blanco could take a multi-year deal elsewhere.
Peavy comes to the Cubs as a complete giveaway; he states that he will only come here while the Moores divorce just gets uglier. Payroll still a problem.
Kerry Wood comes back to the Cubs. I agree with what some of you have written on other threads that this has a better than average chance of happening. No matter how much sweet talk he gets from Nolan Ryan I just feel in my gut that he wants to return. If it happens then I guess Gregg would fall to the Howry role. And one of the pitchers above would be out.
All of this would be so much easier if Pie and Fukodome played to potential. I keep wondering if they just let Pie play every day that he would finally come around and have a Jerome Walton 1989 season. Doesn't hurt to dream.
So there you have it. Flaming arrows are now being accepted. Loose!
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Seems reasonable.
I’m still optimistic that Hendry can offer Wood arbitration and I think Wood would accept it.
As for position players, I think you will see the Cubs go for an under the radar type player, much as they did with Barrett from the A’s/Expos a few years back, and I think it’ll be someone who we wouldnt expect.
Speculation: Austin Kearns from the Nationals for Ronny Cedeno, who would fill in at 2B for the Nats. Then Kearns platoons with Pie/Fukudome or DeRo, who in turn would yield 2B to Fontenot when DeRo is in right.
Thats all speculation, but I think its just as likely to happen as the Cubs signing a big name player (Dunn, Ibanez, etc).
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Nov 22, 2008 7:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We Can't Afford Offering Wood Arbitration...
… unless we are ok with not getting a lefty RF, LOOGY, and fulfilling other needs.
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 22, 2008 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Wood’s already hinted he’d take a below-market one-year deal to stay. If that happens, I’ll bet he winds up making LESS than Kevin Gregg.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 22, 2008 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the budget is $150M
We only have 7M left to spend. Wood would take at least half that.
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by initram on Nov 22, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have it at $143 already?
Seems high to me.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 22, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
… I included guestimates at arb figures for Gaudin, Gregg, Wuertz, Cedeno, and RJ. I also reserved $2M for Blanco. I think that’s how I goto to $143M.
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by initram on Nov 22, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why
I don’t expect all of, if any of, Gaudin, Wuertz, Cedeno, Cotts, and maybe even RJ will be here.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 23, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're Kidding, Right?
If any?
I bet over half are back. What do they do instead, non-tender them?
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 23, 2008 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not kidding.
What I’m saying is that it’s possible that all of Gaudin, Wuertz, Cedeno, and Cotts will be traded. I expect we’ll keep at least one, maybe two, but I’m also fairly sure Cedeno and Wuertz will be traded. Other teams almost certainly value those two players more than we do, which means trading them makes sense. None will be non-tendered.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 23, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno & Wuertz have trade value, absolutely.
Whether or not they are actually traded is another story entirely.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 23, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think...
…Wood will sign for only 3.5 mil? If he takes a one year deal, I’d think it takes at least 6 mil with incentives that could take it to 8-9 mil to get it done.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 23, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think he might.
That’s how badly he wants to stay a Cub.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 24, 2008 4:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
ball-players only care about money.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 24, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what OTHERS think.
Not me.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 24, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this team better...
…with Kerry Wood, Marmol, Gregg and Samardzija in late innings, if that means that the Cubs have to use Fukudome/Pie/DeRo/Johnson in CF and RF?
…or with a name-brand-type right fielder acquired via free agency/trade and a bullpen that has Marmol as a one innings closer, and Kevin Gregg and Jeff Samardzija as the setup men?
We won the most games in the NL last year with Right field as it is today, why change it?
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Nov 22, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't agree more.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 22, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats all we won
Fukudome wont have the fortune of a hot start this year either, which could lead to even less ABs for him and more pressure and fatigue on the other OFs.
You cant stand pat, we’ve seen, and as Al pointed out weeks ago, what happened in 99 and 04 etc.
Do you really want Abreu for 3-4 years? He’s not a gold glover out there….I think, like you said, its pick your poison for RF, but Id take Dunn
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 22, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs were the best team in the NL
…and got beat in a short series. It happens. There’s no formula for getting deep in the playoffs. If the Cubs would have played the Dodgers 100 times they’d have more than likely beat the Dodgers 60+ times but in a short series anything is possible.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Nov 23, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peaking
The fact is that the Cubs “peaked” too early. In July and the firtst couple weeks of August, they played the best baseball I have ever seen them play.
But then they seemed to get tired or something. The Dodgers peaked right toward the end of the season, and got healthy enough to go for it.
The September-October Cubs did not play at the same level they did in July.
"I lof to hit de home ron!"
by Tekboy on Nov 23, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe in all this peaking crap..
The way ya’ll make it sound is like ooh well its september 17’th now I can’t play good.
Which I don’t think is true. Could someone tell me the record of the Cubs month by month? Exclude Oct. please….
by cubsfaninatl on Nov 24, 2008 8:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Not How Many Games We Won...
… but rather how we performed in the first round of the playoffs. Piniella is attibuting it to being too right handed. I tend to agree with this.
So, that said, with Gregg replacing Howry, Marmol replacing Wood, and so far no one replacing Marmol has been equated to 1-2 games lost.
Adding a guy like Abreu in RF while moving Fukudome to platoon in center with RJ would likely at least wash what we lost with Woody leaving.
And, I betcha we bode better in the playoffs with Abreu splitting up Lee and Ramirez.
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 22, 2008 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're exactly right. It's not up to us. It's Lou.
And with Ryan Dempster’s statements and Lou’s response, the pressure to get the LH bat could be even higher.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 23, 2008 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would adding a left-handed bat...
have helped Soriano and Ramirez hit in the Dodgers series? Would it have helped Dempster throw strikes? It’s a lot more complicated than just adding a LHB
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by digitalbenjamin on Nov 25, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tough
I noticed you pushed Marquis… which would almost wash with Randy Johnson’s salary. That leaves us with about $5M to get us to $150M. Without creativity, Dunn/Abreu/Ibanez are out of their league. Hermida may be possible, but can he bat 4th or 5th? Teahen may be doable financially, but I heard they are asking for Marshall and Fontenot.
That leaves no room for a LOOGY, Woody, Peavy (who makes $11M next year), or Blanco.
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 22, 2008 7:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
a maddening guy....Jason
I am among the few who really like Marquis. There’s just no middle ground with him. When he’s bad he’s bad in the biblical sense. When he’s on he’s better than any No. 2 starter in the game. If he could harness the latter two-thirds of the time I’d keep him.
by roost66 on Nov 22, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's The Best #5 Out There...
… but at just shy of $10M, he better be!
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 22, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not fair to judge him as a $10M pitcher.
His contract had an AAV of $7M. $7M is still a bit high for a #5, but he was actually signed as a #3 (behind Z and Lilly) and would be a #3 or #4 on a lot of teams. He isn’t really overpaid on an AAV basis compared to similar pitchers in the market.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 22, 2008 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd only be a 3 or 4 on a lot of *bad* teams.
We aren’t competing with KC and Pittsburgh.
Any team with visions of Marquis as their #3 starter is aspiring to mediocrity.
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by D98 on Nov 24, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Henry Blanco is returning.
The Cubs have pretty much told him they want him to be in their organization as a coach/minor league manager when he’s done playing. I think they sign him, as was suggested in another thread, perhaps to a minor league deal with a handshake agreement that he’ll make the team — that’s a good way of saving a 40-man roster spot until the end of spring training.
I agree that Kerry Wood returns, somehow.
Of all the somewhat bad choices for RF, I’d take Huff. He’s coming off a career year, true, but it’s also a walk year for him — good incentive to have another topnotch season. He is, FWIW, a .433 lifetime hitter in Wrigley Field. Yes, I know, small sample size — 30 at-bats — but still. (6 doubles, no homers.)
And I think we can stop the Peavy stuff now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 22, 2008 7:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
To be honest, I’d take the Big Unit on a one year deal over Peavy, given the demands of the Padres.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Nov 22, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree With Blanco...
… and Wood could come back. But that leaves Teahen-type in right. No LOOGY, no speed at the top, no oother starting pitcher.
So then, have we really improved, especially if Woody doesn’t come back?
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 22, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is going to give Blanco a mulit year deal....
Hes 37 and has had injuries the past few season, but I think he’s our ideal backup catcher, I just dont worry about anyone else snapping him up….so bring him back Jimbo
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 22, 2008 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan Ryan, great point.
I had forgotten all about that connection. Kerry’s childhood hero was Nolan, who is now, of course, working for the Rangers (in a capacity that escapes me). Kerry’s a Texas guy to begin with. Looks like an ideal summer destination for him.
I don’t follow the AL too closely at all, and especially the AL West due to the time the games usually start. Does Texas even need a closer? What’s their bullpen situation look like?
by kanderber on Nov 22, 2008 10:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kerry's New Home...
… is Chicago.
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 22, 2008 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan Ryan is currently the President of the Rangers.
Do the Rangers need pitching?
Does the sun rise in the east?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 22, 2008 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wood has made his preference for the NL clear.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 23, 2008 5:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Arlington is where good pitchers go to die...
..even with ties to Texas, I doubt that would interest him unless they back up the money truck…
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on Nov 23, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My stab at the roster...
(After all, I’ve applied for the job of GM!)
Position Players
C: Soto
1B: DLee
2B: DeRo
SS: Riot (yes, Virginia, he will get one more year from Lou)
3B: Ramy
LF: Sori
CF/RF: Dome
CF/RF: (see #1 below)
C: Blanco
IF: LBR
IF: 4A FA (Cintrón?) (see #2 below)
OF: RJ
PH/OF: Hoff or #5 OF (see #3 below)
—
Pie will be traded unless Lou resigns before the Winter Meetings.
#1: I don’t think that we will see a “big ticket” FA with the possible (not likely) exception of Ibañez. They will target Teahan, DeJesús, Church, Scott, etc. with Edmonds as the fallback option. Dome plays CF or RF depending on this acquisition.
#2: Onedec is arb-eligible, so is more expensive than needed for a utility guy. Judging by last year, Lou won’t use him for anything else (like sharing time with Riot), so he will be traded or non-tendered. If the Cubs get an everyday CF/RF, this slot will be a cheap 4A UI. If they strike out on an everyday guy and end up with a platoon-type guy, this slot might go to a RHB 2B (Loretta?) to platoon with the LHB RF.
#3: This slot will go either to a RHB OF platoon-mate for the RF (RJ platoons with Dome in CF) or a LHB PH (probably Hoff).
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Starting Pitchers
1: Z
2: Lilly
3: Demp
4: Harden
5: Marshall or Shark
I think that Marquis will be traded for financial reasons. (The trade won’t net anything better than a C-level prospect.) Marshall and Shark will battle for the #5 spot with the other beginning the season in AAA to stay stretched out for Harden’s inevitable stay on the DL. Both have options remaining.
—-
Bullpen
1: Marmol
2: Gregg
3: Guzman
4: Cotts
5: LHP acquired in trade (Mahay?)
6: Gaudin, Harden’s bullpen buddy
7: Ascanio/Hart/Wells
Wuertz will be freed from the Canine Hotel California via a trade.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 22, 2008 11:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If we were to make a deal with the Royals
for an outfielder I would definitely prefer DeJesus over Teahen. I would actually prefer Gathright over Teahen if for no other reason than his athleticism.
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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Nov 23, 2008 1:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gathright is practically useless.
Gathright would be a waste of a roster spot. He can’t hit. His fielding is nothing special. He’d make a nice pitch-runner and that’s about it. Teahen has been a major disappointment, but he can play three positions (two decently) and had one good season. Dejesus is the best option, but his reputation seems to have passed his production and I think he would cost more in terms of talent given up.
Personally if we can’t fit Dunn in I think Teahen or a guy like Kearns would be a decent fit. They haven’t played up to expectations, but they are young enough to figure it out and cheap enough to toss to the curb if something better comes along.
"There's nothing wrong with this team that more hitting, more pitching, more fielding, and more hitting couldn't help." Bill Buckner
by Rotodaddy on Nov 23, 2008 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno about Kearns.
He’s not really young anymore — he’ll be 29 in May — and his power has just about vanished (7 HR in 313 AB last year).
Also, he hits righthanded, so Lou would probably not be interested.
If it’s a choice between Teahen (who is 27) and Kearns, I’ll take Teahen.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 23, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you've mostly hit upon it.
However, I wonder if the Cubs have a bit more money to play with (at least post-Marquis) than your scenario suggests. We’re hearing rumors of the Cubs showing interest in Peavy still, in Furcal, and in the Abreu types, so, you’d think they can get at least one more contract and are deciding what that should be.
Here is another scenario (I am not endorsing) that Hendry could try for the cost of one or two M next year:
1) Give Furcal his 4th year at the cost of a low first year salary.
2) Trade DeRosa.
3) Play Myan Fontriot at 2B.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 23, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i kind of want edmonds back.....
i also want pie to be given a freaking chance…. No matter what happens though he wont be given a chance… he had a great ST last year and then got three starts before lou said no more…
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on Nov 22, 2008 11:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I also think there is a chance
that Kerry doesn’t sign before being offered arbitration and then resigns with the Cubs. I have mixed opinions on this because I love what Kerry has done for this team and he would definitely be missed but on the other hand our farm team could certainly use the prospects we gain if he leaves.
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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Nov 22, 2008 11:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
+1
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on Nov 23, 2008 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want
beimel somehow someway.
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on Nov 22, 2008 11:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
a good idea
we do need a LH RP…
100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.
by airweino on Nov 23, 2008 2:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
Seems we had one before Lou put him in the doghouse.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 23, 2008 5:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
kinda tired of that statement
I liked scott eyre but he turned into a blimp that melted down in key situations over and over again. Then got released and it seemed to reinvigorate him in philly. Which is the case with alot of relievers. I dont want howry back under no circumstance but I wouldnt doubt one bit him going out next year and putting a sub 3.00 era and having a great year. just the way relievers seem to be.
this lou’s doghouse crap has gotten under my skin. no one on this blog can do any better job. no one we’ve had in 100 years has done any better job. I dont see anyone out there right now that can do any better of a job. all managers are gonna make decisions we agree and disagree with.
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on Nov 23, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like since it's
Al’s blog he can use “Lou’s dog house” as much as he wants to. If you don’t think players were in Lou’s dog house then that’s fine. There are some of us who do and we will talk about it on this blog.
by sue369 on Nov 23, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's eminently clear to me...
… that Eyre had a couple of bad outings and got under Lou’s skin, for whatever reason. After that he hardly used him — once in a month’s time — and then as cubsluver said, he did get reinvigorated in Philly. That’s no surprise — what if you worked for someone who hated you? You’d hate coming to work and your job performance would probably suffer. Then suddenly you got a good job doing what you love at a different company, a good place to work. It’s no surprise that your attitude and performance would improve.
What puzzles me is how Bob Howry could never get into the doghouse no matter how much he sucked.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 23, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never understood
the Howry love either when he should have been in the dog house frequently.
by sue369 on Nov 23, 2008 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Al
dont need a bodyguard nor a speaker. that brings me to another point that I have with you sue. your a long time poster/reader here. You make many posts just like these. My question for you is why dont you ever put yourself out there??? I mean sometimes you come off like you know everything but you really never show us your stance on things. I would like to see a fanpost out of you of what you would do this offseason,or what you want the organazation as a whole to do.
eyre had several bad outings. Al you’ve asked this question(or something like it) over and over again this offseason: what/who can put us over the top. heres my answer:
We as fans and the cubs seem to have a similar problem. that is we just cant let things go. we over analyze/criticize things to death. I really really think the weight of that kinda stuff needs to go if were to ever win.
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on Nov 23, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've said I wanted
them to sign Dempster and Wood. I’ve also said I want them to give Dome another year to prove himself and I’d also like to see Henry back too. I’d rather not see Ward back and I’m so-so on Edmonds. It really doesn’t matter what I want this team to do as I have no control over it so a fan post would be a waste.
We disagree on Eyre then. I think he deserved more chances to prove himself. Lou gave Howry too many chances.
by sue369 on Nov 23, 2008 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember Eyre having
“several” bad outings. He sat on the bench for a LONG time.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 24, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eyre did not "Sit" in the dog house
he " stayed" . Bad dog, bad dog.
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 24, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's getting under my skin
is the idea that you can’t criticize Almighty Lou without being accused of totally demonizing him. If we took a poll, I’d bet 95% of BCB would say that Lou is, on the whole, a good manager. I believe he is, on the whole, a good manager. Yet, I criticize him when I think he does something wrong. Criticizing him doesn’t mean I wish we were back under Dusty. I emphatically do not wish that.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 23, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why dont we???
write a jillion post/messages about how we as fans looked real bad when lou played edmonds over and over again until he caught fire and became a major contributor. I mean their were moves like this one that nearly all of us didnt agree with, including me. gotta take the good with the bad.
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 23, 2008 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
There is bad and good. Lou played Fontenot through the bad and he turned out very good. Lou played Howry through the bad and he turned out very bad. And here’s the kicker – it may have been the right decision to play Howry, even though it didn’t turn out right. Sometimes you make the right decision and bad luck makes you look wrong.
All I’m saying is that criticism is not disloyalty.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 23, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My question is
At what point do we as fans and/or the organazation just stop for a change?
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 23, 2008 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop what, exactly?
Stop expressing our opinions? Keep in mind that without us and our support, there are no Cubs.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 23, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not neccessarily
but you can beat a dead horse to death.
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 23, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, by definition you can't
And I don’t see anything wrong with criticizing decisions we disagree with. This is a blog — to discuss opinions . . .
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 23, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand...
…but where it becomes a problem for me is when people split hairs in regards to the team’s playoff performance and blaming that on Lou. To me, that is complete BS when folks say he rested guys too much etc… Bottom line, if he wouldn’t have rested guys, the same people would have said he didn’t rest them enouph and that is why they cratered.
Every manager makes mistakes, even the very very best and Lou is one of the top 5 managing today. How easily people forget the goof ball talent evaluations and in game decisions Baker made and just how much better Lou is in this regard. The thing is even the best managers need the right mix of players to win, and the 03 team is still the "best mix’ of talent the Cubs have had since 1984 and those players almost made the WS despite Baker.
I don’t know who the Cubs next manager will be, but I suspect it will be someone hired by a new GM after 2010. I’l also add there is a good chance most Cub fans will be wishing Piniella was still making the calls shortly thereafter.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 23, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree about splitting hairs on the team's playoff performance.
Although, I will say I was surprised there was not more debate here about the Dempster/Piniella back and forth about team preparation. I’m not saying I wish we had had that debate. I think a manager can make all the right calls in a 5-game series and still get swept. And then, because the team was swept, everyone will try and find an explanation for why the sweep.
In other words, I don’t think there really is any explanation for the sweep it happened.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 23, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of us can use...
…our eyes to determine how the players responded on the field and IMO, they did not play at all like the over confident bunch Dempster mentioned. Honestly, I don’t buy want Dempster said one bit and the Cubs played every bit like a club that was tight (which is the opposite of being over confient). In that regard, I think Lou had it right when he said; “the constant reminders of the 100 year thing made the guys try too hard” and they played like a bunch with everything to lose.
Remember one thing, players very rarely will admit the pressure of the situation got to them and I don’t think Dempster wanted to admit that either. Frankly, I don’t blame him, because players don’t ever want to believe they can’t perform when the pressure is on and most of them are defensive when it comes to this topic. But, walking 7 guys in 4 2/3, does not sound like an over confident pitcher to me.
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by MPH73 on Nov 23, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While I agree with you..
… the fact that they played “tight” and the 100 year thing may have made them that way — couldn’t they have had a manager who prepared them better than that?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 24, 2008 4:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely
I am generally a Lou fan but during the NLDS we played like Nuke Laloosh in Bull Durham in the game where his father was there filming him. It was almost like everyone was afraid of Lou like he was their father and they didn’t want to make a mistake and thus, were thinking more about not screwing up than just playing naturally, in the manner we saw for 97 wins.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 24, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If that is the case...
…the club is soft, very soft.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 24, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they are
or maybe they are just pliable
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 24, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With a veteran group...
…you would hope their pliability leans towards stepping it up during the playoffs, no matter who their manager is.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 24, 2008 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's certainly what we all expected
that’s why the outcome was such a shock
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 25, 2008 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Demp...
said they were unprepared. That’s a lot different than feeling pressure.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 24, 2008 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's true...
…but what I am saying is I don’t buy what Dempster says, at all. The club did not play like a team that was over confident, not in the least.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 24, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible Dempster meant
the players were overconfident and didn’t study the scouting reports well enough; i.e. that the fault is not management’s but theirs? And so, like an overconfident student who didn’t study, they showed no confidence during the test itself; the overconfidence was going into the test.
I mean, you can’t just discount Dempster’s account altogether.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 24, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to explain...
…how this group could have been over confident. Its not like they won the championship last year and won 115 games this year and just blew through the league. They got swept out 3 straight last year and should have known (especially with the veterans they have) that you need to obtain any advantage you can in the playoffs.
If they did just blow off the scouting reports because they thought they had it in the bag, I would have serious concerns how dedicated this core group is to do whats necessary to win.
Again, I just don’t buy Dempster’s reason they sucked it up. An over confident team does not shit all over themselves the way they did.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 24, 2008 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it may have been...
… a combination of overconfidence (which can be defined in more than one way) and playing tight.
Dempster said they kind of “expected” to win the two home games (given their great home record, although it was just barely over .500 the second half); when Loney hit the grand slam, that must have been such a shock to these guys who DID in some ways just “blow through the league”, winning 97 games, that they wound up playing tight the rest of the way — you saw that with all the errors in game 2.
I would submit that up to Loney’s grand slam — despite Dempster’s wildness — they looked fine. If he gets out of that inning, the Cubs probably win game 1 and that would have set a whole different tone.
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by Al on Nov 25, 2008 4:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me preface this...
with “I think Lou is a good manager.” But, as I wrote in the other fanpost, a player citing a lack of preparation is rather disturbing and a very bad mark on the coach/manager.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 25, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very rarely...
…will you ever hear a player admit that “pressure” got to them. What you are hearing from Dempster (and now Theriot) follow that same path. On the other hand, you won’t hear too many managers say they didn’t do what was necessary to prepare the club – so where does the truth lie?
I think it is in simply observing how the players performed on the field and using that as gauge – instead of quotes after the fact. The Cubs played like a “tight” team all 27 innings, not like a team that had any level of confidence in their ability to perform.
The funny thing is, some people have been all over Piniella by saying he didn’t give the players enouph confidence going into the playoffs (because he was too negative). Now, you have players saying the opposite. Talk is cheap with these guys, so I tend to believe my eyes as opposed to their words.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 26, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
rec’d
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 23, 2008 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Roster Idea
C – Soto
1B – Lee
2B – DeRosa
3B – Ramirez
SS – Theriot
LF – Soriano
CF – Fuke/Johnson
RF – DeJesus
1. Z
2. Demp
3. Lilly
4. Harden
5. R. Johnson
Bullpen
Wood, Marmol, Gregg, Shark, A. Rhodes, Cotts, Gaudin
Bench
Fontenot, Hoffpauir, Blanco, C Counsell, M Kotsay
I left my last two choices as the suprise votes. Counsell is left handed, has the ability to be a coach type player in the clubhouse and the field. He can relieve DeRosa, Theriot and Ramirez if necessary, and he is cheap
Kotsay can play all the OF spots, hits left and might push Kosuke to play to his ability.
R. Johnson for one year is worth it. We will have Guzman, Gaudin, and Shark as possible fill ins due to injury.
DeJesus will fulfill so many needs. Plays all OF positions, bats at the top of the order, adds speed and a lefty. It will be costly, Marshall, Cedeno, and possibly a sold AAA or AA arm. They gave up Ramirez to Boston for Crisp, so they will be looking to reload the bullpen. Too bad Ceda is gone, he could have come in handy for this exact reason.
This is my best crack at it.
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Nov 23, 2008 1:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not really relevant as a reply but
I just realized that with the talk of Wood resigning in December once he reaches arbitration that the Marlins ripped us even more because then we don’t even have a need for Gregg but we gave up one of our top pitching prospects for a Howry type pitcher.
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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Nov 23, 2008 1:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gregg will take Howry's place if we re-sign Wood...
Kevin Gregg had one bad month last season, Howry had one GOOD month.
I’d hardly call him “Howry-like”.
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by carmen_fanzone on Nov 23, 2008 6:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't saying he was
as bad as Howry just that it is a waste to give up one of the few prospects we have for a guy who will have little to no impact on this team.
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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Nov 23, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No impact?
Lou’s use of the “7-8-9 guys” as a philosophy means that Gregg WILL have an impact either as the “7” guy or the setup guy (if Wood isn’t back).
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by carmen_fanzone on Nov 23, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about if he DOES come back
because if Kerry is back Gregg will be nothing more than an late inning eater. And I don’t feel that one of our top prospects is worth giving up for a guy that is a late innings eater.
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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Nov 23, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The future is now....
….and I’d say if Wood does come back, that’s a pretty powerful bullpen with Gregg as your 7th inning guy.
Was not Bob Howry valuable in that same role in 2007? You need a “hold” guy to get you from the starter to the setup and closer. Not just an “eater”. I think Gregg would be pretty valuable in that role. I guess our definitions of “having an impact” may be different.
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by carmen_fanzone on Nov 23, 2008 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
About the roster idea...
I’m not sure we could get Counsell. IIRC, he came back to the Brewers after the Diamondbacks because he wanted to back with the organization. He grew up with Milwaukee (I seem to recall hearing his father worked for the organization in the front office or something). Also, didn’t he start his career with Milwuakee? I got the impression he’s hoping to end his career with Milwaukee too.
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by brook on Nov 23, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They didnt pick up his option, from what I understand
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Nov 23, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the case...
Maybe the Cubs should consider signing him. He’d be a good player off the bench and he can hit in spite of his unique battiing stance. Yeah, why not?
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by brook on Nov 23, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We already have one LHB backup IF.
And Fontenot can actually hit.
If anything, the Cubs need a RHB backup 2B. That would give them a platoon-mate for the LHB RF.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 23, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure about that
Fontenot and Dero are your one two punch from left and right. My idea about Counsell revolved around leadership, he has a ring, and he can play pretty much anywhere on the infield. If I am not mistaken, I saw him fill in for the Milwaukee OF
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Nov 23, 2008 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yabbut
I can’t stand Counsell’s batting stance.
Am I wrong for not wanting to watch that stance in a Cub uniform?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 23, 2008 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
We have a CF that spins like a top when he swings. I can live with a swing that looks like that if he does the bare minimum. He will be well worth $1M for a year if he leads by example, has postseason experience, and gives people the occasional day off. Also, I wouldnt mind seeing him foul off about 12 pitches late in a ball game when we desperately need baserunners. We have NO ONE that does that.
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Nov 23, 2008 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you replace Cedeño with Counsell
your likely bench against RHPs would be:
LBR (L)
Counsell (L)
Hoff (L)
RJ®
Blanco®
RJ would be your top RH PH to bat both for pitchers and Dome in the platoon. I doubt that Lou would want that.
Counsell can “hit” if you consider .687 career OPS to be a good hitter. (For reference, Theriot has a career OPS of .731.)
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 23, 2008 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who were our righties off the bench this year?
Cedeno-WHO CARES
Blanco-status quo
ummmmmmm thats it, other than RJ.
Counsell brings more to the table if he were batting blindfolded than what Cedeno did.
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Nov 23, 2008 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you'll be surprised to hear:
2008 Counsell v. RHP – .229/.358/.308
2008 Cedeno v. RHP – .282/.351/.379
I can’t find any splits data for blindfolded ABs, however.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 23, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 23, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it would be
a small sample size anyway…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 24, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see RJ® meriting a registered trademark, but Blanco®?
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Nov 24, 2008 5:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
SB Nation and I have been at war for the past 7 months. I lost this particular battle.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 24, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine...
the Scraptitude of this team if LBR and CC were both on this team!
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by digitalbenjamin on Nov 25, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wood
i,d love to share everyone,s optimisim about wood coming back.but why let him go if you want him in the 1st place.idont see it happening.maybr he,ll end up in san diego with the employee.
by NOMAR on Nov 23, 2008 7:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
same fans
crying about hendry letting wood go were the same ones crying to sign lee a few years ago. also the same ones wanting to trade him now.
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 23, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's a pretty bold statement
You know that everyone who wants Wood back wanted Lee re-signed and traded now? How did you conduct this amazing bit of research?
Besides, I would like Wood back, but not if it costs a three- or four-year contract. How do you figure conditionals like that into your iron-clad research?
by elgato on Nov 23, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
stop
taking everything way out of context. besides who are you to question me?
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 23, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well ...
I’m not anyone, other than a poster on this site. And I thought it was about discussion … ?
I don’t see how I took you out of context. Seemed like you made a rather sweeping comment. Sorry, if I’m being dense.
by elgato on Nov 23, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here I'll fix it
so it isnt a blanket statement "alot of people who are crying that wood’s not going to be back are the same ones that wanted lee resigned and the same ones wanting him traded now and/or mad about hendry spending too much money.
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 23, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I keep laughing at the idea of Johnson
I will bet all comers that Johnson is NOT a Cub. I am not THAT big on coffee but happy to get lots of free cups at the convention or a coke. As if the Dodgers rotation is not depleted enough, today comes word that Billingsley fractured is fibula slipping on ice in PA. He is EXPECTED back by April and he is their ace. Dodgers need Randy and he wants to play there. I could see him as long shot with the Angels but he ain’t leaving SoCal unless he has no other offers and he will have offers. Also to you get how comical the idea is that you can somehow dump Marquis and get Johnson EVEN IF WERE WILLING TO COME and not eat 5 million or more in salary. The theory goes something like teams are DESPERATE for pitching so some one will take Jason at 10 million ( or very close) but RJ has a HARD TIME finding takers and decides he will play for the Cubs. I do think the Cubs can get rid of Jason but again will probably eat at least half the contract so unless they do get Peavy it makes little sense especially with Marshall being a top trading chip.
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 23, 2008 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The fact that Billingsley...
… got hurt makes it a bit more possible that Johnson might become a Dodger. LA does expect Billingsley back by Opening Day, though.
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by Al on Nov 23, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think The Premium Price...
… that San Diego would put on the Dodgers would not be worth it for them. RJ sounds more plausible.
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 23, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
San Diego is not trading Peavy 40 miles down the road
nt
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Nov 23, 2008 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's more like 100 miles.
But I get your point.
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by Al on Nov 23, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgers are down starters long before Billingsley got injured
Right now Kernshaw is literally the only full time starter they have for sure by Opening Day. One assumes they will use Kuo as
a starter if they need one but they were almost sure to sign RJ before poor Chad slipped on the ice. It would have to take some really bad blood or a a really nice offer by the Angels to keep Johnson from the Dodgers. I am surprised their overall situation is not getting more press. They have 12 free agents the majority of whom are not coming back and they basically have to rebuild their team. If you want to get rid of Marquis and HALF his salary , they would be a good place to try.
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 24, 2008 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If RJ doesn't sign with LA...
… they could afford Marquis’ entire deal. Keep in mind that what Marquis is making in 2009 isn’t much different than what Johnson would probably ask for.
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by Al on Nov 24, 2008 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Earth to Al
Why is RJ going to turn down TEN million from a team where he wants to play and why is anyone going to want
Marquis enough to pay his whole salary. Do I actually get anything from you if he does not go or does not get more than
4 million ( my original and totally one sided “bet” ) ?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 24, 2008 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Run this bet by me again.
I can’t keep track of all these details.
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by Al on Nov 24, 2008 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Furcal
says the a’s offered him 4/48 with 2 mil in incentives!
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 24, 2008 9:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
According to...
… this, he also has an offer from the Mets (to play 2B).
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by Al on Nov 24, 2008 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
Furcal was actually a 2B in the Braves minor league system — despite his cannon — because his hands weren’t that good. Bobby Cox even moved Furcal to 2B in 2002 and made DeRo the starting SS because Fukie seemed uncomfortable at SS and he wanted someone more sure-handed. (The move ended after 9 games when DeRo tore up his ankle and ended up on the DL. Bobby didn’t have any other good SSs.) Fukie really started to look like a “true” SS in 2003 due to a lot of work with the very underrated Braves IF coach, Glenn Hubbard.
It made sense for him to stay at SS at FA to make more money, but this might be his last big contract. Moving back to 2B at this stage wouldn’t really damage his market value if he gets 4 years at SS rates this time.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 24, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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