Marshall/Fontenot for Teahan? (Ugh!)
by The Jade Scorpion on Nov 24, 2008 9:41 AM CST
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Possible?
So sayeth Nick Zaccardi / MLB.com / Cubs.com
Ugh. Only thing worse than the Cubs getting a guy I really do not want is having them overpay for that guy I really do not want.
.255/15/59 = Teahan.
I'd really rather stay in-house if this is the best they're looking at. Frankly, I'm still hoping Ibanez winds-up in Wrigley for 81 games........hoping........
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I think people are taking this the wrong way
I cant see Jim trading them both for Teahan. The way I read it was, “The Royals are looking at Sean Marshall and Mike Fontenot are possibilities”. So i dont think think both of them in same trade for just Teahan
by Kchance on Nov 24, 2008 9:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And there could be...
…another Royals player involved, say one the Cubs have wanted in the past (i.e. David DeJesus). – TL
[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.
by timlacy on Nov 24, 2008 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Cubs trade for two outfielders?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 24, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all the reporting is incomplete and without context
DeJesus appears to be a 3rd-4th OF’er type of some substance….increased HR’s slightly to 12 from 7-8-9 range at the age of 28 where he played half his time in CF. He appears to be out of a position with Crisp and reaching that 6 year point. Teahen is 27 years old but 2 years younger in MLB experience, a little more power but less OBP, RF-3B of marginal average ability. Both in the $2.5M category.
Now I really like Fontenot’s bat and Marshall is an okay long reliever, but both have limited full time capability. Something tells me that unless Fontenot hits like he did in June 2007 his defense will wear on you like Todd Walker’s did. Marshall is that quintessential 4-5IP pitcher where a 3rd time through the order teams size him up and wait for the fat fastball as they lay off his big curve or inconsistent slider.
To me too bad Fontenot can’t play CF. That would solve the entire issue.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Nov 24, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Dutton's original rumor suggested Fukudome could be a part of a deal.
So post-Crisp, they’d need to give up two OFs to take on Dome, and if we gave up Dome, we could actually use two OFs. A potential lineup could be:
DeJesus CF
DLee 1B
Soriano LF
Ramirez 3B
Teahen RF
Soto C
DeRosa 2B
Theriot SS
It would be surprising to see a deal like this, but minus Dome, you’d actually end up with some free salary, so you could potentially even do this:
Furcal SS
DeJesus CF
Soriano LF
Ramirez 3B
DLee 1B
Teahen RF
Soto C
DeRosa 2B
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 24, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking of DeJesus and Teahen on my team
makes me want to vomit.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Nov 24, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it sure isn't the Cubbies
we’ve known for the past few years.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 24, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't my first two choices
but they are better than Griffey and Ibanez.
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by DGU on Nov 24, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I'm not sure about that.
I’ll have to look closer at the numbers, but I’m not which side of that sword I’d rather fall on.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Nov 24, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember that the NL is an easier league than the AL.
And Teahen and DeJesus are both younger guys who can still play defense. I think I came up with Teahen as 2 WAR, league average for the NL. Griffey is 0 WAR (essentially replacement level) with the potential to be worse. Ibanez is probably 1-1.5 WAR. I haven’t run DeJesus, but just eyeballing it (well, even more so than the others – these are all very rough estimates) I think he’s 3 WAR? Maybe?
by cwyers on Nov 24, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Dome was apart of the deal
Cubs would have to pay alot of his salary. That was also reported in the same article you read. So sencond scenario most likely cant happen
by Kchance on Nov 24, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Dome Have...
… a full NTC?
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 24, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
I think he’d waive it if it was made clear to him that his playing time with the Cubs could mirror Felix Pie’s from 2008.
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by DGU on Nov 24, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not to go to Kansas City, he wouldn't.
I’m assuming Dome has a reasonably savvy agent. So quite frankly, if the Cubs pull (IMO) a knee-jerk unprofessional move like trying to dump Dome after only one year, then I’m pretty sure his agent will make it quite clear to the Cubs that he will only go to a place of his liking, i.e. Seattle, San Diego, maybe San Francisco.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Nov 24, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He might enjoy playing for a manager who speaks some Japanese.
OTOH, the Royals couldn’t take Dome unless we took Guillen. No. Thank. You.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 24, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
Rec’d for calling it what it would be if we dumped Dome. At this point, I’d rather keep both Dome and Pie and see what they can do and, if we need to, what LH bats are available at the trade deadline.
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by DGU on Nov 24, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do They Have a...
…LOOGY we’d want?
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 24, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Mahay.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 24, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he had our shot at him
last year? We had him but he didnt make the team so he went back
by Kchance on Nov 24, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Was...
… Tim Lahey?
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Nov 24, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No. Ron Mahay has been around a while, mostly in the AL.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 24, 2008 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We DID actually have our shot with him though...
it was just in 2001 and 2002.
by SouthernCub on Nov 24, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lemme reenact that conversation for you:
Hendry: “So, is DeJesus available?”
Moore: “No, but if you’re looking for some left-handed outfield help, what do you think about Mark Teahen?”
Hendry: “What’ve you got in mind?”
Moore: “What about… Mike Fontenot and Sean Marshall?”
click
Moore: “Hello?”
by cwyers on Nov 24, 2008 10:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Also, as cwyers says, it’s T-E-A-H-E-N, not T-E-A-H-A-N.
Furthermore, the info in the mlb.com article came from a Phil Rogers column. Enough said.
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by Al on Nov 24, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But this possibility...
…has also come up a few weeks back. Something’s on the stove involving Teahen and the Cubs, but who know whether it’ll come to fruition. – TL
[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.
by timlacy on Nov 24, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of you know I'm a transplanted Cubs fan...
currently @ the University of Kansas. I listen to A LOT of Kansas City talk radio in the car and at school during my days. For as much as BCB has been discussing possible trades with the Royals, I have really heard almost nothing of this on the KC front. And I’m not just talking about this crappy Teahen trade, I’m talking about the DeJesus one a few weeks ago, some crazy Butler rumor a bit ago, etc. The Royals fanbase is dying for some leadership and direction in the team (and I think they are getting there), and trading away one or many guys (Guillen is an asshole and needs to go…but no one wants him, Butler maybe, DeJesus or Teahen, possibly) may help get some direction and leadership on this team. But seriously, I haven’t heard much of anything on the KC front.
I’ll keep updates comin’ as I hear ‘em. As mediocre as KU football has been this year, the Chiefs, and a lackluster MIzzou season (sort of), the Royals have actually been on the radio quite a bit this off-season. The new ballpark is going to look AWESOME – I have a few new construction pictures I took last week at the Chiefs game and I’ll post them soon – and I think the Royals are headed in the right direction.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Nov 24, 2008 10:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Then check out the other SB Nation...
…site, Royals Review. It’s solid, and has been discussing this trade for about two weeks in various posts. – TL
[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.
by timlacy on Nov 24, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I read RR about once every two weeks...
…but I have yet to hear this on the radio at all. Have you, Tim? I just can’t seem to take this trade seriously, it looks like a Yahoo! Fantasy league trade, doesn’t it? Completely one-sided and stupid for the Cubs to do. Maybe I missed a RR post or two on this…
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Nov 24, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup.
—-“Completely one-sided and stupid for the Cubs to do.”—-
Couldn’t agree more. I think I’d be jumping on this trade if I were the other team (KC). Never pass-up a lopsided trade that benefites your organization.
Anyone heard anything on other OF options lately (hopefully anything on Ibanez)?
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Nov 24, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Raul Ibanez in his element:
This is where I’d normally mutter something about range being more important than the ability to avoid making errors.
Except Ibanez’s range is bad, too!
by cwyers on Nov 24, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Those are even more fun to watch
…if you pretend Yackety Sax is playing in the background.
by Wreckard on Nov 24, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the "Benny Hill" song?
If so, I completely agree.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 25, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He looks sort of like that bugged-eyed guy in Milwaukee on those...
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Nov 24, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
quite possibly the finest hot stove post so far
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Nov 24, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a few pictures from last weekend
New glass cover going around the stadium. This the 3rd base side, kinda between 3rd & home. This looks like the new Sprint Center in KC:
Sprint Center, just for reference:
This is taken from beyond left field. A bit left of center is the new Royals museum/historical thing. I believe in RF will be a family restaurant and some type of beer garden (not together, obviously…). There will be a concourse to go around the whole ballpark, I believe.
Totally not related:
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Nov 24, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kauffman Stadium
I am glad to see that they are putting in this upgrade to the ballpark. I went to a game in KC probably 6 or 7 years ago and really enjoyed the place. The main element that was missing was the exterior. Perhaps it was a product of the era but Kauffman (like the previous Busch Stadium) were built as though there was no exterior facade necessary. It was just a bunch of concrete columns and forms. I realize it will never be one of the spectacular baseball venues however, all things considered, with the upgrade it looks like they’re on their way to an excellent all around ballpark.
by dmlichte on Nov 24, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that's correct.
Looked like un-finished concrete pillars. The new additions – a quarter billion dollars – will be finished by next year. And I think this stadium is going to be a gem. I think that SOB Selig promised KC a all-star game in the next few years, too.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Nov 24, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't trade Fontenot
The little guy can rake. He will not be a Sandberg, but he has a good eye, good pop, will take a walk and can field the position. I would like to see the Cubs give him the 2b job. They won’t, but I wish they would.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband
by Ross on Nov 24, 2008 11:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer the much better player, DeRosa, play. Ya know, over the worst player, Fontenot.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Nov 24, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh-oh
Does this mean we’ll be hearing “Yakitty Sax” with DeRosa lowlights, now?!?!
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Nov 24, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark DeRosa doesn't have large amounts of epic fail.
I can find at least 8 more GIFs like that, if you’d like. Ibanez is that bad.
by cwyers on Nov 24, 2008 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More GIFs, please.
They’re pretty.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Nov 24, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Got them from M’s blog Lookout Landing. Scroll down and look for “Raul Ibanez takes pride in his defense” on the left-hand sidebar.
by cwyers on Nov 24, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we make a mash-up
with him and Jacque? Because they seem to be quite similar…
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 24, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh man.... Ibanez in left field, Jacque in right...
and both coming together in one mash-up of a GIF.
And thus, a whole new generation of ink blot tests were born…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Nov 24, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jacque Jones was a good defensive OFer with a bad arm.
Ibanez has a miserable arm, exceedingly poor range and bad hands. Other than that he’s not a bad ballplayer.
by cwyers on Nov 24, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I just like the thought
of Ibanez misplaying a fly ball, and then Jacque spiking it into the ground…
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 24, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TOUCHDOWN!
and that’s a technical balk…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 24, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit
every time Jacque came up on a grounder to RF, I held my breath, hoping for one of his classic 8-foot-then-ground throws. Made me laugh my ass off every time. Or cry.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Nov 24, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some many worms
died those fateful years…the humanity.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Nov 24, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
One only needs look at the 2008 playoffs for the DeRosa clips. A lot less searching required right now. I’ll take him, though – and yes, I’d take Ibanez.
Though Ibanez is clearly no (insert Cubs player immune to criticism).
Anyhow, point is, I’d love a LH RBI guy out there. Ibanez is just the only guy who even fits the “possible we sign him” category. Or we could get another .260 guy who’ll hit 15 HRs and get 50 RBIs – all in the blowout games, of course.
Or just field the same team and assume a different outcome. As Einstein said, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is how great things are done (or something like that…)…..
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Nov 24, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See, this is how you get yourself painted into a corner with only a bad idea to save you.
You need to start with what’s available on the market and what you can afford from that, not from a typecast notion of what sort of player you want. If there isn’t a good LH RBI guy in your price range, then you go get something else.
by cwyers on Nov 24, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
And in the absence of a Good SP, just sign a reliever and start him. Break the template!
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Nov 24, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Roger that
IMO, if they can’t guy that they want, then hold on to the trade chips/Money for mid season trade potential or use the FA money to shore up another part of your team…i.e. bullpen. Of course the risk of holding onto your high value ML level trade chips may go down in value during the season if they don’t have particularly good numbers early on. The other risk is that the 2010 free agent class for that LH need is not very good at the OF Positions so it may require trading for a player that is not a free agent till 2011 or beyond and thus would cost more.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Nov 24, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, because DeRosa brings a quality to the lineup we don't have...
That is, a right-handed pull hitter with a little bit of power who is really slow. The Cubs don’t have enough of any of those in the lineup
I like DeRosa, but if Fontenot is given the chance, he can be the better player.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband
by Ross on Nov 24, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Little bit of power?
Pretty good power numbers last year…
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 24, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
based on WHAT?
we’ve discussed several times how Lou has used Fonty to good effect, but that’s just as much about the situations he’s NOT put into as it is about the situations he is.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 24, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot was given a chance to be an everyday player.
He was handed the 2B job in June 2007, and proceeded to lose it in July 2007. How?
June: .397/.422/.679/1.101, BABIP = .424
July: .211/.269/.211/.480, BABIP = .268
In part-time play he managed an OPS of .624 in August and .521 in September.
His numbers in 2008 look much better because he had a red-hot July (1.234 OPS, .405 BABIP) in a year in which his manager spotted him against the type of pitchers he hits well.
As a full-time player, he is likely to be both an offensive and defensive liability. And if “slow” DeRo gets replaced by Brian Roberts, or if the Cubs get a “full-time” RF, Fontenot will have the same value as Daryle Ward. There is no reason not to trade him if that will get the Cubs someone they want.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 24, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've found it very interesting
how Lou is so good at managing some guys, like Fonty, and so bad at managing others, like Howry. He consistently puts Fonty in situations where Fonty will succeed, and yet, kept throwing Howry out there to fail, time after time…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 24, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there are too many
Situations where Lou could make a bullpen move to pit Howry vs the other team’s SP. That to me is about the only situation that Lou could have put him in last year that would have been successful. Even that, is sketchy because I recall a game late in the season…I think the CC game at Wrigley…where he gave up a pretty good shot to CC that was thankfully hauled in by Soriano.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Nov 24, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone catch Kaplan's show last night?
He had Ryan Theriot on and, assuming I didn’t dream this, T-Riot actually floated the idea of putting Fontenot in right field. I’m pretty sure I heard Lou laughing in the background, even though he was nowhere’s near Louisiana.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 25, 2008 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well, Lou suggested putting Fontenot at SS in spring training
so (oh, linky), I’m guessing Theriot will be offering Fontenot up at every position that’s open.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 25, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't do either straight up for Teahan
Fontenot and/or Marshall for Teahan would be a terrible trade. If we’re looking at mediocre options for RF, just looking and give our 12 million dollar man another shot.
by kanderber on Nov 24, 2008 11:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if there might be someone or something else involved?
I wouldn’t trade Marshall for Teahen straight up, but I would trade Marshall for Teahen and Mahay (or similar). If they want LBR as a throw-in, fine.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 24, 2008 12:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think...
… as cwyers was speculating, there was some “interest” in Fontenot and Marshall on the Royals’ part.
I suspect Hendry laughed and hung up the phone.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Nov 24, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you want?
It all depends on what you want. Some of you say no to Teahen while others differ on Ibanez. I think it’s pretty clear that Ibanez won’t win any gold gloves no matter where he plays but what do you want? In this market, if you want a guy that can hit and plays spotty OF defense, you’ve got Ibanez or Dunn. If you want a guy that doesn’t hit as much and plays marginally better defense, you’ve got Teahen. If you want a guy that doesn’t hit as much but plays very good defense, you keep Fukudome in RF.
Seeing that none of the above seem to do fit in with the LH hitting run producer that plays at least average defense, Bobby Abreu seems to be the clear answer in this market, presuming of course he doesn’t accept arbitration from the Yankees if offered.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Nov 24, 2008 1:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Here's another four corners guy we haven't talked too much about - Chad Tracy.
Anyone interested? Does anyone know if his legs are healed up enough to play RF again? And Arizona’s looking for a 2B, so…
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by DGU on Nov 24, 2008 2:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can He Bat 4th or 5th?
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by initram on Nov 24, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
You have to decide how much of his 2008 performance was dragged down by nagging leg problems. Then you’d have to decide how much he’s a desert mirage from the home park effect.
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by DGU on Nov 24, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He also hasn't played the OF since 2005
He could be just as bad as Dunn or Ibanez.
by rlpete on Nov 24, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He could be. That's why I'm asking if anyone has a current report on his legs.
He was decent in RF, if I recall, before the injuries.
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by DGU on Nov 24, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt if they would trade Tracy for Fontenot.
They could get more for him as an AL DH.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 24, 2008 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me
that the Cubs would be better suited finding a left-handed bat who also plays middle infield.
I keep hoping that they are the mystery team in the Furcal rumors. I’d love Furcal at short, a platoon of Theriot and Fontenot at second and DeRosa in right. It’s not ideal, but it beats relying on Teahen or Ibanez, IMO.
I also understand why this wouldn’t happen — largely money and concerns about Furcal’s health. But, to me, it seems like the best solution that has any chance of happening.
by elgato on Nov 24, 2008 5:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Problems with that scenario...
There are three MIs that I can think of who bat LH and have power: Utley, Canó, and Drew. I don’t think any of the three are available. Kelly Johnson has a little power, but he’s not a middle of the order hitter.
If you sign/trade for a LHB MI (Roberts, Furcal, etc.) you haven’t solved the problem of adding a LHB to the middle of the order — you have exacerbated it by forcing Sori down into the middle of the order. You will then be forced to trade DeRo, because you still need a LHB RF for the middle of the order. Also, if you spend money on Furcal or Roberts, you will have to both trade DeRo (for the payroll savings) and go cheap in RF.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 24, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Furcal's injury problems...
Does it say anything to anyone that the A’s are the most public team in on Furcal? The A’s are looking for a new SS because their current SS has been hobbled by back problems. I’d be surprised if they, with their limited budget, went and signed a player who they thought was likely to be off the field a lot.
As for DRMH’s point, yes, that is a problem. However, the Cubs could approach this off-season saying, “The LH slugging bat we want isn’t here. Let’s roll the dice on a Teahen type, give Dome another chance and keep most of our trade chips for the trade deadline.”
The problem with that strategy, I think, is that Ibanez is Hendry’s LH slugging type and Abreu is EXACTLY what Lou wants.
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by DGU on Nov 24, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do Teahan's #'s remind you of anyone?
These are Fukudome #‘s people, Sean Marshall’s value as a long reliever or spot starter if and one gets hurt is much more valuable, and Fontenot proved to be one of our more clutch hitters down the stretch. Jimmy wants more left handed hitting…..don’t trade away are best left handed bat buddy.
by cliffyhoops03 on Nov 24, 2008 9:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is probably the most enjoyable
off-season thread we have had thus far.
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by dtpollitt on Nov 25, 2008 2:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Might I direct you...
to the bottom of this Post? Or perhaps here, which has some interesting digressions.
Certainly a good thread though.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 25, 2008 7:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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