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A Few Words About FanPosts And FanShots

Since it's a slow holiday week, I thought I'd post a few things about FanPosts and FanShots, what the difference is, and what's suitable for each. There seems to be a bit of confusion -- one reader here posted that he thought "FanShots" was for posting photos you take yourself. While you can do that (although we can't host your photos; you'll have to use something like Flickr or Photobucket), there are many other good uses for FanShots.

FanPosts are like the diaries used to be under the old BCB format. They're intended to be on a topic that hasn't been covered in, say, the last few days or a week, or something new to the site. If you're thinking about posting something about a topic you've read about on one of the mainstream sports sites -- please check the FanPost recent list on the right sidebar to see if your topic has been covered recently, or use the search function at the top of the right sidebar. If a FanPost gets hundreds of comments -- like this one about Kerry Wood did -- then it would be OK to start an overflow thread like we do for gameday threads, because at that point the post might start taking too long to load.

FanPosts have to have a minimum of 75 words. If your FanPost has a paragraph that looks something like this:

words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words

... that's there just to bring it up to the minimum, then it's probably better off in the FanShot section.

Some examples of well-written and thought-out recent FanPosts on interesting topics are here, here, here, and here. If I left yours out, that doesn't mean it wasn't good -- just wanted to give some quick examples.

If you something you want to post, and it's related to a recently discussed topic -- such as Kerry Wood being told goodbye, or Ryan Dempster signing -- please take a look at the posts on those topics first. Your thoughts, in that case, might be better as a comment under one of those posts, unless you have some sort of new angle that hasn't been posted yet on that topic. Just saying "I'm going to miss Kerry too" wouldn't be considered a "new angle".

FanShots are for things that aren't long enough for a full FanPost, for example, if you find a link you think is interesting but don't have anything more to add. Good examples of FanShots that have links in them are this one and this one. Or, it could be a photo you find on the internet. Take a look at this one and this one. You can use it to embed and post YouTube (or other) videos. Here's one I posted last month.

You can also use the Recommend feature on FanShots and FanPosts to put them in the Recommended lists, which moves them to the top of each section and keeps them there longer. It takes four recommendations for a FanPost and three for a FanShot to get them in the Rec lists. You can also recommend a comment -- this feature is sort of hidden, which is why a lot of people haven't used it yet; under each comment there's a link that says "Actions" -- click on that and you'll get the option to recommend a comment. Trei and the tech team say they're working on making this easier to use (more obvious) in the future. A comment takes 4 recs to get it "recommended" -- if this happens, the comment turns green and gets a big star next to it. Similarly, if you want to flag a comment as inappropriate, you can do that in the same way; it takes 4 flags to turn it red and put a little flag next to it.

When you are posting, just below the post box there is a link you can click, highlighted in yellow, that says "Show Editor Help". The Editor Help will appear to the right of the posting box and has a short tutorial on how to use the editing features available here. Once you've looked through this you can click the "X" at the top right of the editor help box to restore the other options. I would encourage everyone to use the team and player name boxes; adding these to your post will create links to teams and players you mention in your posts. You can do the same for events (meaning, in general, specific games -- click on "Attach Event" when you are making a post to see how it works) and also add tags (separated by commas if you have more than one).

I hope this clarifies what should go in each section and how you can make better use of the features available. This community has become the great place it is because of your participation. Please don't take this as criticism -- it's intended to help you with some guidelines, to encourage more participation and to avoid duplication of topics, especially over the winter when we have no games to discuss. Enjoy and dive right in!

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I'm gonna miss Kerry too... ;-)

Al, thanks for (re)posting the rules of the road, so to speak. Hopefully this will help to usher in a whole new generation of engaging, enlightening, and educational BCB postings, be they fanposts or fanshots. Time will tell.

In the meantime, what up with the BCB logo? It appears that we’ve skipped a holiday? Somebody’s not gonna be too happy that his favorite turkey is not showing up this year…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 25, 2008 9:28 AM CST reply actions  

I can no longer change these logos on my own...

… I have to request them to be changed. I sent an email asking for this to be done on Friday. Instead, it was done right away.

Just consider it another place where the “holiday season” began a little early!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Nov 25, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

It took me quite awhile to get used to FanShots.

They are almost buried at the bottom of the page (which I think is a design issue, but that’s besides the point), and some times it can be hard to judge what is Post/Shot worthy. I do like the feature, however, because sometimes I just want to share a neat little soundbite or tidbit with my fellow BCBers.

I am glad to hear SBN creators are working on increasing the “Recommended” function. A website like Digg isn’t necessarily the model to follow, but with a game thread of 800 posts or ten new FanPosts a day, I would really like to be able to come home, scan the pithy, valuable comments, and leave the jokes for later. I’m not sure if you want to go this way, Al, but it seems like it could encourage smart, intelligent comments over things like “FIRST!” Overall, I have enjoyed the 2.0 upgrade and know they appreciate and do consider our feedback.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Nov 25, 2008 9:30 AM CST reply actions  

FanShots...

… are right below FanPosts, the poll, and the countdown clock. If anyone thinks they should be higher, let me know.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Nov 25, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

PLZ REC

This needs to stay visible to newbies, lurkers and some regulars for as long as possible.

Join the BCB Flickr Group: http://flickr.com/groups/bleedcubbieblue

by tony412 on Nov 25, 2008 9:36 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

good idea. just did so, but...

…not sure if main section posts can make it to the recommended fanposts section on the right. I don’t think they’re technically “fanposts” so the recommended function doesn’t work the same way. But hopefully I’m wrong. And we just need two more folks to recommend to prove it.

had another thought… I’ve seen a few recommended comments here and there – even had one myself one time. Proudest day of my BCB life…. but I’ve never seen a flagged one. And I’m pretty sure there were more than a few game threads last year where some comments definitely hit the 4 flag minimum. Yet, I never saw them turn red nor have a little flag next to them. Maybe I just didn’t stick around long enough. Has anyone else ever seen a red flagged comment?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 25, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I've never seen one a flagged comment turn red.

That’d be kinda cool, actually. My impression is that flagged posts don’t any color.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by daver on Nov 25, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

They do if they get more than four flags.

I’ve seen a couple. Guess who posted them?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Nov 25, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Is it possible that you may be the only one who see's the flag?

I’ve never seen one either and I know in quite a few game threads a lot of people claimed to have flagged a lot of posts.

by LT on Nov 25, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

it's time we test that theory...

Let’s see… what’s the most inappropriate thing I can come up with… Oh… I got it.

I think the Cubs should hire Ronnie Woo Woo to be the official Cubs Greeter, welcoming fans as they come in to each game. He’ll rotate from gate to gate, of course paying special attention to the season bleacher ticket holder entrance and his good friend Al. The Cubs will provide Ronnie with several brand new uniforms to wear throughout the season, including blue jerseys when Z pitches.

Ok, flag away and let’s turn this baby red!!!!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 25, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok, I'll play along....

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 25, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I think LT is right.

Here’s the message that comes up next to the dialogue box when flagging:

Your flag will not be visible to anyone but moderators. Please select the reason you are flagging this content: spam, trolling or just inappropriate. Then write us a short note explaining why you flagged it that way.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 25, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh.

No wonder no one but me has seen them.

I’ll still bet you can guess who the poster was.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Nov 25, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Curiousity compels me to ask, Al.

Did you give MDBNIU the boot? He hasn’t posted in a week.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by daver on Nov 25, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Surprised it took you this long to ask.

I think you have already guessed the answer.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Nov 25, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Alas, the mambochicken

was his white whale

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 25, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Did anyone see a body? Did anyone see a freakin' BODY???

He’s not gone… oh no, he’s not gone… he’s just waiting… waiting for the right time to rise up from the grave and stab at thee one more time…

aaaaahhhhwwwwooooooooooooo…..

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 25, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Scary!

So scary that I had to unflag your other post….

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 25, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

So the day of reckoning has come to pass.

Let us all pound sand just one more time in his honor and, of course, await his next wretched incarnation. Say it with me:

Pitching is king.

PITCHING IS KING!!!`

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by daver on Nov 25, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

bless you, Al.

he’ll be back under another moniker, but I thought the air was remarkably clear and scent-free around here. Now I know why.

by Emelie on Nov 26, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Seconded.

The good baseball knowledge is not worth the cost.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 26, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

+1 and rec'd

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by daver on Nov 25, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll also put this on the right sidebar under "BCB Specials", where it will remain permanently.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Nov 25, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Al, all I have to say about this post is...

…AMEN BROTHER!

I’ve been more inclined to post Fanshots rather than Fanposts simply because I rarely come up with a topic worthy of lengthy discussion that hasn’t already covered in some shape or form and, even on the odd occasions when I do, I usually don’t have time to write a suitable description of said topic. Fanshots are a good way to share something interesting without feeling like you have to BS about why it’s interesting or, worst of all, do that ridiculous “75 words75 words75 words75 words75 words” thing.

To get a better feel for Fanshots, I’d recommend checking out a venerable ol’ Web site called Fark. It’s been around for quite a while now (since 1997, according to the site) and pretty much nails the Fanshot concept to a ‘T.’ Ya post a link, ya tell folks what it is and ya move on. (Of course, we can also post YouTube clips, photos, etc. But the concept, like the song, remains the same.)

In closing, I’d also remind those of you who do write Fanposts that you have the power to edit – and, yes, DELETE – your Fanpost. So if your title is ridiculously vague ("This’) or you write 20 words about the Cubs signing Adam Dunn five minutes after someone else beats you to it, you CAN (and should) take action.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by daver on Nov 25, 2008 10:18 AM CST reply actions  

Is There a Way To Get Find Out How Many Recs...

… a blogger has? It can kinda be like an eBay rating system.

In Hendry We Trust

by initram on Nov 25, 2008 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks Al...

I spent a good 10 minutes presenting links to the poster of the “Say it ain’t so” thread showing how many “I’m sad Kerry is leaving” threads there were and you go ahead and delete the post…

In all seriousness, I hope this cleans up the fanpost section a bit. Can get annoying seeing 5 of the same posts.

Ron Santo should sing TMOTTBG everyday. Period.

by Schwa on Nov 25, 2008 1:44 PM CST reply actions  

Sad thing is

I don’t think that poster ever saw them. As I said at the time, its really alot of laziness IMO, that people create fan posts like that. They are looking for instant answers — if they do not get immediate posts I think they move on — without seeing everyone’s comments about fanshots vs. fanposts.

by StevenABQ on Nov 25, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

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