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NYC politicians are having a bit of fun with the Mets, who have a naming rights deal with Citicorp, now in financial trouble, for their new ballpark:

The struggling bank is slated to pay $400 million over the next 20 years to name the stadium Citi Field.

The bank made the commitment years ago, when it was flush with cash. Now that Citigroup is getting billions of dollars in federal aid, Staten Island Republicans Vincent Ignizio and James Oddo say the ballpark's name should be changed to Citi/Taxpayer Field.

LMAO. But seriously, what do they do if Citi fails?

Also, busybody Norman Braman (the former Philadelphia Eagles owner), who has been busy trying to stop the new stadium for the Marlins, had his lawsuit dismissed last week. But:

The Marlins, however, have yet to break ground at the site.

"The litigation pushed us back," team president David Samson said. "We met with the construction manager, and he told us the risk was not manageable to open in 2011. The cost of accelerating construction would be too high."

The Marlins still expect to meet the targeted cost of $515 million for the ballpark, Samson said. The franchise is responsible for overruns.

Good to know that last part -- at least one franchise taking partial responsibility for a new park. The new Marlins stadium is now scheduled to open in 2012.

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Naming rights

I heard a joke from a Yankees fan a couple of years ago.

Did you hear US Cellular bought the naming rights to Shea Stadium?

They are going to call it Nextel stadium.

It's a boy. My new nephew William Oliver born 11/14/2008 256 am. Thank you to all who offered best wishes when I mentioned it a few times over this summer and fall.

That's not my nephew in the picture. Don't have one to upload yet.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 26, 2008 1:28 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't get it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 26, 2008 1:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup, no idea

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Nov 26, 2008 2:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe a joke about how quickly companies merge?

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Nov 26, 2008 2:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was a joke from a Yankee fan after all...

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson

by MikeOxbyg on Nov 26, 2008 2:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I laughed at this

And not at the original joke!

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Nov 26, 2008 3:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please explain, I'm not laughing

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 26, 2008 3:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay

the joke is they are paying for the rights to name it after their competitor because Shea Stadium is so awful.

It's a boy. My new nephew William Oliver born 11/14/2008 256 am. Thank you to all who offered best wishes when I mentioned it a few times over this summer and fall.

That's not my nephew in the picture. Don't have one to upload yet.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 26, 2008 5:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still don't get it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 26, 2008 8:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok...I'll be the first to say...

I actually do understand it now. And it’s somewhat amusing…unfortunately that you had to explain it pretty much killed it.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 26, 2008 9:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LMAO, ROTFL, LOL

drinking milk and it came out of my nose, died laughing, totally cracked up, not

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 26, 2008 10:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think she knows we are just teasing

at least I hope she does. We do like to use a plethora of sarcasm and irony in the very intellectual and insightful observations we post here.

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 27, 2008 11:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Welcome, glad you're here

you’ll enjoy it

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 28, 2008 1:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NY Giants Epic financing follly

Here is fascinating article from Sunday’s NY Daily News about how fancy financing for their new stadium could
cost the Giants THREE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. Nice to know not just homeowners are screwed big time by
complex financing because this is basically the mother of all sports mortgage deals for a new stadium.

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2008/11/22/2008-11-22_giants_claim_defunct_firm_lehman_brother.html

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 26, 2008 1:50 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to mention Allianz, there first choice was a Nazi bankroller/insurer

So they had to nix that idea.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 26, 2008 7:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Allianz = Nazi?

Elaborate, please.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Nov 26, 2008 7:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know many people.........

……..who work for Allianz or divisions thereof, but was unaware of their past history.

Looks like they’ve worked hard to correct the errors of the past.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Nov 26, 2008 8:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had never heard of it before a couple months ago either...

It seems relatively blown out of proportion in terms of the company’s actions today, but that will happen for anything when the events of the past are particularly horrific, I guess.

by MarchHare on Nov 26, 2008 10:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow it must be hard to be a journalist these days...
A season-ticket holder who posted under the name xxvnyg80 in a Giants Internet forum said he wrote team owner John Mara, begging him to sack the idea

I can’t believe he is using some random person in a “Giant Internet Forum” as a source!!

by GoCubbies34 on Nov 28, 2008 12:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate the Nazis as much as the anyone...

but a lot of German companies aided the Third Reich. For example, I wonder how many of the people that were outraged own Mercedes’ and BMWs (companies that helped make aircraft engines for the Nazis)

Kind of seemed like a bit of selective outrage (albeit for a good cause, so I guess there are worse things).

by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 26, 2008 9:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know if you follow Formula 1 racing but

the President of the FIA, which is the governing body for all racing leagues (except for NASCAR and IndyCar and a few others), Max Moseley, was photographed in a sex club in London dallying with two girls dressed in Nazi attire and who were allegedly spanking him.

BMW and Mercedes called on his resignation because of the whole incident in general but the Nazi thing in particular and he wrote a public response that “you would expect two German companies would blow this event all out of proportion” and he didn’t resign. That’s no different than dressing up as Amos and Andy for Halloween and then if an African American at your party complained that that was racist saying, “Oh you would expect that from a black person.” He’s the only “commissioner” of a sports entity who is worse than Bud.

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 26, 2008 9:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Freedom Tower

Where does New York stand on the construction of that? I feel that should have been New York’s first priority with construction projects. Instead, we’ve got two new baseball stadium and no Freedom Tower. Baseball isn’t the most important thing in the world.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Nov 26, 2008 2:19 PM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

They are working on it

I think the basement level is done and its up to the street, I recall seeing this on the Nightly News awhile back. I think its fair to say that its probably apples and oranges in terms of the priority. I know it took them awhile to figure out design issues etc. It would appear the ballparks did not have those issues…at least not to the degree of the Tower. Not to stir the pot, but things do keep moving along. I’m pretty sure The Freedom Tower was not delayed because architects, contractors, and workers were too busy with the ballparks.

by StevenABQ on Nov 26, 2008 2:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baseball isn’t the most important thing in the world.

What the heck are you smoking? There is no such thing as something more important than baseball!

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Nov 26, 2008 3:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(Joking) You're Right!

(Joking) Baseball is life. The rest is details

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Nov 26, 2008 3:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The rest is just a waste of time

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 26, 2008 3:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The St Louis Rams had to rename their dome....

 …when Trans World Air went under.

Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard

by carmen_fanzone on Nov 26, 2008 2:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Adelphia Coliseum, Enron Field No More

The Tennessee Titans called it simply The Coliseum for a few years before it became LP Field with a new corporate sponsor. The Astros park is now Minute Maid Park and not Enron Field.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Nov 26, 2008 2:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, Finkle is Einhorn.

"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08

by Bildo1805 on Nov 26, 2008 2:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Say hello to Captain Winkie!

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Nov 26, 2008 3:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

However...

… this would probably be a first, a stadium rights deal having to be renamed before it even opened.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 26, 2008 3:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gillette Stadium

in Foxborough, home of the Patriots was GMCI net stadium, or something like that before it opened. There are a few more, but my memory is sortof slow today. As for the list of stadiums with multiple sponsored-names, that list is very long, and growing nearly by the day

by stadiumguru on Nov 27, 2008 3:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually...

Right here in the Chicago area we had a stadium change names before it was opened. I know it’s not a major field but Toyota Park in Bridgeview (the home of the CHicago Fire Soccer Team) was originally going to be named after Bridgeview Bank. I remember seeing all sorts of promotional material about this, especially at that bank since I used to use that bank. Not long before it was to open, the deal with Bridgeview Bank fell thru and Toyota came in and grabbed the naming rights.

Kasey

See what old Cubs Scorecards looked like at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/scorecards.html
Also, see the Cubs 2009 schedule at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/sched2009.html

by kaseyi on Nov 27, 2008 6:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Few Viable Relocation Options

I think we have now reached the end of MLB teams being able to hold their cities hostage to have new stadiums built. The new Twins stadium and the eventual new Marlins stadium mark an end to that.

Let’s face it! There aren’t many metropolitan areas that don’t have MLB teams that could support one. How many non-MLB cities have current facilities that could even do in a temporary situation while a new stadium was being built? Washington, DC had RFK for a temporary facility to entice the Expos to move there. Sacramento, Portland, Las Vegas and Charlotte only have AAA stadiums. San Antonio only has a AA stadium.

Where exactly are you going to move? I don’t think MLB teams from here on out are going to have near the leverage in stadium matters as they used to.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Nov 26, 2008 3:25 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Portland's stadium...

is a AAA park (Padres), but from what I’ve seen, it’s easily convertible in the short term to suit the needs of MLB. They also have the advantage of having a pretty comprehensive plan in place to get up and running with permanent facilities (along with some sweet ballpark design options for the new stadium).

See here: http://www.oregonstadiumcampaign.com/submission.html

I agree with your overall point though. But Portland is more viable than a lot of people think.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 26, 2008 4:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is far different from years ago.

… it used to be that the people of Portland were viewed as being kind of blase about having a major league team relocate. But maybe now they are more amenable. In any case it doesn’t seem like any teams are in serious trouble — the Marlins would be one, but they have a new ballpark in place.

Tampa Bay might have been another; let’s see if their AL championship results in an actual increase in season tickets and attendance, etc. for 2009. If it doesn’t, then they might still wind up moving.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 26, 2008 4:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In a related story...

Plans for the Rays’ own new ballpark, which were initially released about this time last year, are “delayed indefinitely” according to Wikipedia. (Link) However, if that ever goes through, looks like they’ll have some pretty sweet digs…

"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman

by hip2bsquare on Nov 26, 2008 5:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Portland's Viability

As it stands now, the Trail Blazers are the only major pro team there. I know Portland is trying to get a MLS team. I know a lot of people don’t consider soccer to be a major sport in the US. MLB wouldn’t have to deal with a tremendous amount of competition for the sports dollar. I don’t know if the current capacity of 19.566 of PGE Park would be enough for a temporary MLB facility. That’s a high capacity for a AAA stadium.

I see the Portland metro area has about 2 million people, which is more than what Milwaukee has. It looks to be a similar size market to Cincinnati. It’s not a crazy idea that Portland could support a MLB team. I think existing teams would rather stay in their own cities.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Nov 26, 2008 4:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that's about right.

What sucks as an Oregonian baseball fan is just that (as Al pointed out) there aren’t any teams that will likely be able to move, especially with the Marlins getting that stadium deal.

Portland is the biggest market in the nation with only 1 major sports team (plus Portland actually attracts fans from the entire state; for example I grew up next to the Cali border, but am still a huge Blazer fan).

It’s a shame they can’t get baseball, but it’s just bad luck/bad timing at this point.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 26, 2008 9:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PGE Park actually

is shared with soccer, and owned by the man who wants to bring an MLS team to Portland. If he succeeds, the stadium will be used solely for soccer, and a new minor league baseball park will be built. Essentially, the likelihood of MLB moving to Portland is very slim.

by stadiumguru on Nov 27, 2008 3:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PGE isn't owned by anyone...

It’s owned by the City of Portland. Along with the Beavers (AAA), the Timbers play there right now (league soccer), along with a bunch of high school sports.

As for MLS…Given that Seattle just got an MLS franchise, it’s gonna be tough for Portland to pull a team any time soon, especialy because MLS is hoping that Oregon’s soccer fanbase (which is really big) will be part of the Sounders base (kind of how they try and encourage Oregon to be Mariner fans).

Anyway, Portland’s chance might be slim, but it has nothing to do with the stadium or MLS at the moment.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Nov 27, 2008 5:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

right,

the park is owned by the city, which I guess is what I meant. MLS is a long shot, but a possibility, because they(MLS) cares so much about teams having their own stadiums. While a slim chance for MLS and MLB, it is another factor that could prevent MLB from relocating.

by stadiumguru on Nov 27, 2008 11:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As to your last part Al,

“Good to know that last part — at least one franchise taking partial responsibility for a new park,” re: cost over-runs: the Twins are responsable for all cost over-runs on Target Field as well.

In fact, I think it’s safe to say that is, more often than not, the rule, rather than the exception…

Moose

Hubbs!

by moose97 on Nov 26, 2008 3:37 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not opposed to them just naming it Shea Stadium

To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!

by Chanman25 on Nov 26, 2008 3:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's the real reason there is a Mets so yeah

Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM

by Weeghman Park on Nov 26, 2008 3:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Citi fails...

… then the Mets go out and find a new corp to sell the right to. Listening to the chatter over the past few days, with the Citi bailout, the issue of the ballpark naming rights was raised. They said the only way it would not be Citi Field was if Citi went bankrupt. However the Mets have to hope that doesn’t happen. If they went out and shopped naming rights today, there’s no way the get near the $20M a season Citi is paying.

by dmlichte on Nov 26, 2008 4:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Citi will not...........

………..go bankrupt.

My advice to all is to start acquiring shares of this company.

Just some friendly, inexpensive advice.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Nov 26, 2008 7:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would you have said that about Washington Mutual six months ago?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 26, 2008 8:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Enron Field...

Was renamed to Minute Maid after Enron did what they did, so I guess it wouldnt be that hard to find someone else.

I dont really see what the attraction is honestly, if youre a mets fan and they play in CitiField, are you, all of a sudden, going to change all your bank accounts or refinance your mortgage w/ Citi?

Its just so stupid, they pander to us like we’re idiots. I gotta think if youre the head of Citibank, there are better ways to spend 400M, which Im sure is just a drop of water to them anyway, but I digress.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 26, 2008 7:00 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Its just so stupid, they pander to us like we’re idiots."

now now now we aren’t talking about us, this is Mets fans here…

To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!

by Chanman25 on Nov 26, 2008 7:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha, fair enough

It looks like a great place though

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 26, 2008 8:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not call it

Citi-Taxpayer Field? Or, just Taxpayer Field?

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 26, 2008 11:56 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This would be funny

Citi goes bankrupt and the Mets are so desperate that they turn to the one man they know who has tons of cash.

“Welcome to George Steinbrenner Field!”

"Dying is the day worth living for" - Captain Barbossa

by CaliCub on Nov 27, 2008 9:35 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Answer to the trick question

Citi can’t fail. Our stupid Gov’t won’t allow it.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Nov 28, 2008 7:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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