Hate to do this, a Peavy post
h/t to ddevonb of the cubs forum board, as i didn't see this until i saw his thread
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-orioles1129,0,3629851.story
Anyhow, it suggests Baltimore as a possibility for the third team in a Peavy deal. The basics of the deal would be Garrett Olson for Felix Pie, and then sending Olson over for Peavy.
Let me first say ... wow. If we can land Olson for Pie straight up, I'll be pleasantly surprised. I don't think McPhail needs a 3rd OF as much as he seems to think (Jones/Markakis being the other two).
I don't think Olson is a front of the rotation type lefty, but he has solid middle of the rotation lefty potential. Olson is somewhat similar to Rich Hill in terms of arsenal. Has better life on the fastball than Sean Marshall. Control is an issue, though, for Olson.
Honestly, this is an intriguing deal even without the Peavy aspect. I'd love someone cheap like Olson at the cost of Pie. I can understand why a Olson/Vitters package would easily trump the Braves rumored offer, as the Braves young A ball lefties project similarly to Olson, so Olson's readiness gets a bump.
I don't understand the motivation for Baltimore, but eh. A young lefty starter vs. Pie?
Edit:
To be fair, the article doesn't suggest a 1 for 1 swap. I wouldn't go overboard in trying to get Olson to swap out for Peavy, but at the right cost, sure. Much as I think Pie can still be a decent starter, he doesn't have a role for a team in a win-now mode. If they want say, Pie/Barney for Olson, fine. I think we might have to hold onto Cedeno as a piece for San Diego, as the Padres would need a shortstop to allow them to move Greene.
Furthermore, I'm not saying I'm gungho about the deal (let's see what the other pieces are), but this is a possibility I wouldn't shy away from, provided we have the payroll room. I've never been against trading Vitters - what I am against is haphazardly dealing Vitters away to add Peavy and strip the system clean, limiting our options.
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Will be shocked
if Baltimore’s the 3rd team. That’s a very difficult organization to deal with…
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by CubFaninCA on
Nov 29, 2008 6:20 PM CST
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Maybe Fontenot gets involved
I’m not sure the Cubs want to move Fontenot, but he might make some sense here for the Orioles, as it allows them more flexibility in shipping off Roberts, knowing there’s a replacement.
by toonsterwu on
Nov 29, 2008 6:31 PM CST
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They aren't all that interested in trading away Roberts.
Nobody wants to hear it, but the Orioles haven’t dangled Roberts out there at all this offseason, and I would bet on both sides reaching an agreement on an extension.
by dakoose on
Nov 29, 2008 7:21 PM CST
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I still feel that way as well (that Roberts will get signed to an extension)
but there’s been increasing rumors that suggest that, if they aren’t dangling him, that McPhail is very willing to listen. Part of their wariness in dealing him, including last year, has always been because they don’t have middle infield depth in the system.
by toonsterwu on
Nov 29, 2008 7:38 PM CST
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I haven't seen any of those rumors.
You got any links?
by dakoose on
Nov 30, 2008 1:26 AM CST
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re:
instead of rumors, i should’ve said speculation, so no, i don’t have any links that specifically say it, although i do remember somewhere that speculation was made that if the Orioles miss on Tex, they would shop Roberts. I’ll try to dig that up at some point. (the idea being that Tex would accelerate the rebuilding process to a point where roberts could still be solid when they are ready to push for the playoffs, whereas, without Tex, and with the volatility behind pitching development, they might be a couple more years away).
by toonsterwu on
Nov 30, 2008 1:45 AM CST
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The O's already gave Fontenot away. Why would they want him back?
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by DeRoMyHero on
Nov 29, 2008 9:38 PM CST
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gives them flexibility
i’m not saying there’s anything to the fontenot deal, but keep in mind why they dealt fontenot – it wasn’t that fontenot was bad, but that they had no need for him and thought sosa had something left. i wouldn’t read too much into them dealing away fontenot as a sign they don’t like him … since they did draft him in the first round and quite high (I want to say 7th overall but i might be thinking of someone else).
fontenot would give them a 2nd base option if they change their mind on dealing roberts. They are a bit thin in the middle infield.
Again, nothing suggests fontenot, was just an idea. Furthermore, not even sure the Cubs want to deal Fontenot.
by toonsterwu on
Nov 29, 2008 10:15 PM CST
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MacPhail wasn't the one who gave him away
in fact…..(you can fill in in rest)
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by JohnM on
Nov 30, 2008 3:25 AM CST
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Peavy will be a cub.
Al will then quit bcb and blue mike will take over.
by xene on
Nov 29, 2008 6:48 PM CST
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I find it hard to believe
Garrett Olsen will alone get it done for Peavy. I too think Peavy will be a Cub, however more players needed.
Please no Vitters in the deal.
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by Grockcubs on
Nov 29, 2008 7:10 PM CST
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blah
if it takes vitters—goodbye vitters.
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by cubsluver22 on
Nov 29, 2008 7:12 PM CST
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If we can get Roberts and Peavy
I’m in…even though it will never happen.
by jbertram on
Nov 29, 2008 7:17 PM CST
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Roberts AND Peavy?
What???? We barely have the prospects to get one of them, how the hell do you plan on getting both?
by dakoose on
Nov 29, 2008 7:22 PM CST
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Why not Vitters?
I realize he’s our crown jewel, but best case scenario he probably turns into the offensive version of Peavy. If offering Vitters means we don’t have to throw in all that much more than I have no problem trading away a player who may not pan out for a player who is already a big-time performer.
by dakoose on
Nov 29, 2008 7:25 PM CST
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best case scenario an offensive version of Peavy?
That sounds pretty good to me
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by bren on
Nov 29, 2008 11:58 PM CST
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But thats only best case scenario.
We have all seen what the Cubs have gotten out of their position playing prospects, that being nothing. If trading away a top prospect (that could be cheap and valuable if everything down the road goes right) gets me an expensive top-notch player that is a known commodity and not nearly the gamble the prospect is then I’m all for it. I realize that all the rave these days is holding onto prospects in order to find that great player at an affordable price, but lets not forget that a majority of those guys simply don’t end up being all that good.
by dakoose on
Nov 30, 2008 1:31 AM CST
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How soon they forget
Geovany Soto.
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by DGU on
Nov 30, 2008 6:07 AM CST
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Soto doesn't change my point.
Look back at the position players Jim Hendry has churned out on his own, meaning not the “prospects” he traded for. Hendry hasn’t seen one of his big time offensive talents pan out. Soto kind came out of nowhere, going from a nothing to an all-star in one minor league season. I could be wrong, but it’s not as if Hendry even traded away any position players that ended up panning out, which while potentially frustrating, at least shows that Hendry drafted worthwhile players. Only one starter on this team other than Soto spent time in the minor league system, that being Theriot, and I believe he was an Oriole for a majority of his career.
by dakoose on
Nov 30, 2008 10:28 AM CST
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Fontenot
was in the O’s system not Theriot.
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by Grockcubs on
Nov 30, 2008 10:34 AM CST
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It depends on what your point is.
If your point is “we have all seen what the Cubs have gotten out of their position playing prospects, that being nothing,” then Soto changes your point, not to mention Theriot, not to mention Eric Patterson, Bobby Hill, and Hee Seop Choi who all helped provide top-tier talent for this team.
“Yes, but, Patterson, Hill, and Choi were all busts,” many are quick to say. Sure, the latter two were, but each showed enough potential to get three different teams to want them. You can’t ignore that they gave this team value.
Our farm system has been stronger in pitching than position players, but the fact that Soto wasn’t hyped until his last year in the minors shouldn’t change the fact that Hendry’s system did produce him and he is a star.
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by DGU on
Nov 30, 2008 1:13 PM CST
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The fact that he got good players for them is irrelevant.
It’s very nice that Hendry turned Patterson, Hill and Choi into Lee, Ramirez and a portion of Harden, but the fact remains that two were crappy players and one may never get a chance. Flipping those mistakes for solid players doesn’t make up for the fact that they were mistakes.
by dakoose on
Nov 30, 2008 5:21 PM CST
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Here's where our perspective is fundamentally different.
I don’t think we have the grounds to call a man who put up three seasons of an OPS+ at or above 100 a “crappy player,” or a “mistake.” Baseball is hard enough that solid talent can bomb out for any number of reasons at any point in the career. Grady Sizemore and Albert Pujols may never have another above average season. Meanwhile, guys who have bombed out from Cliff Lee to Carlos Pena come back and perform better than anyone ever expected. Injury, mismanagement, culture shock, personal problems, lost ambition, and a whole host of things can keep a talented player from having a long and successful career. So, how in the world are we supposed to blame Jim Hendry for Hee Seop Choi, who played well for the Cubs until he was traded for an MVP, played well for the Marlins until he was traded for an All-Star, played well for the Dodgers, but then was passed over for a player he had out-played the year before?
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by DGU on
Nov 30, 2008 7:04 PM CST
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If they're still dumping salary
I wonder if there’s a chance that we take Greene’s salary off the books (or send some $$) in exchange for a lesser amount of prospects (i.e., no Vitters)
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by berselius on
Nov 29, 2008 8:38 PM CST
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blech.
I know he’s an excellent defensive SS, but he was galactically bad at the plate last year. And he’s never shown the ability to get on base more than 30% of the time. If I thought the 27 hr and .468 slg from 07 were likely to be repeated it would be different.
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by davidalanu on
Nov 30, 2008 8:32 AM CST
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I don't want him either
I would be happy if he somehow went to the Orioles as part of a larger 3-team deal, instead of the Pie for Olson scenario that seems to be bouncing around. That way we’d be more likely to pry free someone like huff or scott
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by berselius on
Nov 30, 2008 10:42 AM CST
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I'd love to see Peavy in a Cub uniform
…but is this turning into Groundhog Day or what????
by leothelip on
Nov 29, 2008 8:40 PM CST
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WHOOOA!
Watch out for that first step…it’s a DOOOOOOOZY!
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by Kinky Reggae on
Nov 30, 2008 10:26 AM CST
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Nancy? Nancy Taylor?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on
Nov 30, 2008 3:40 PM CST
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i dont really want to do pie for olson.. i tend to think that marshall is better than olson
he got kind of lit up this year… that being said can we just let pie play???? just please…
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by fischisgod on
Nov 29, 2008 8:52 PM CST
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well, in the context of this trade scenario, the Cubs opinion (and ours) of Olsen
is irrelevant. Olsen is possibly a pitcher that the Padres want and would be willing to accept as a part of a package that sends Peavy to the Cubs.
by philadelphiacub on
Nov 29, 2008 9:16 PM CST
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so thequestion is
are we ready to do essentially Peavy for Vitters Olson Marshall Cedeno Pie AND Marquis..
Pie for Olson
Marquis has to go somewhere in this scenario
ANd then i assume it would cost us Vitters Cedeno/Fontenot Marshall and Olson for Peavy…
THat is a lot.. WHat happens if a starter gets injured? We would have to at that point put Shark at AAA to start at a moments notice.. That is a lot.. I dont know how i feel anymore..
I say pass.. Or wait till we want to play this game. Peavy HAS TO BE TRADED… they cant afford him..
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by fischisgod on
Nov 29, 2008 9:47 PM CST
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much as i like marshall
overall talent, olson is more intriguing. Better fastball makes a big difference.
by toonsterwu on
Nov 29, 2008 10:16 PM CST
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yea but there has got to be a part where performance matters
olson has like a 6+ ERA in the majors… i would much rather have marshall thean olson… Just my opinion.. I kind of want to let Marshall pitch in the 5th spot for us.
OT: anyonse else as amazed by theis OSU OU game as me??? Do they play defense in the Big XII
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by fischisgod on
Nov 29, 2008 10:23 PM CST
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true, but look at it from san diego’s perspective. they are rebuilding, so upside matters as much as readiness.
Furthermore, maybe the Padres want Olson and Marshall.
by toonsterwu on
Nov 29, 2008 10:26 PM CST
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i think you are correct
which is why i dont do it.. we would have no SP depth if and when Z cramps his forearm Harden does what he does second best… i dont like selling away our great depth.. I want that LH bat.. Paging Big Donkey
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by fischisgod on
Nov 29, 2008 10:34 PM CST
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i don't necessarily disagree
in that, i don’t want to make our all-in move before the season. needs will arise, guys will struggle.
in saying that, though, i would say that i am perfectly fine turning to Chad Gaudin/Mitch Atkins/Esmailin Caridad as 5th starters. Heck, I think I’m okay going to Randy Wells. If we need to depend on them for more than 5th starter work, then I would be worried, but as the 5th starter? I’m okay with it.
by toonsterwu on
Nov 29, 2008 10:41 PM CST
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IF the Cubs get Peavy
then he replaces Marquis in the rotation and Marquis becomes the 6th starter… Can’t see how this isn’t an improvement??
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by CubFaninCA on
Nov 29, 2008 10:52 PM CST
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if we add Peavy
Marquis likely gets dumped. Hard to see us carrying around his whole contract. We’d have to eat some, but he’s likely gone if we add Peavy.
by toonsterwu on
Nov 29, 2008 11:16 PM CST
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Muskat is saying it "could" happen on Cubs.com!
so you know its true if its from her!
To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!
by Chanman25 on
Nov 29, 2008 9:53 PM CST
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i didnt see anything from muskat
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on
Nov 29, 2008 10:05 PM CST
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OMG Now they are just messing with us
Baltimore is gonna actually make a trade?
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by nji232 on
Nov 29, 2008 9:55 PM CST
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Damn sent too soon
should say Baltimore is gonna make a trade with us.
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by nji232 on
Nov 29, 2008 9:56 PM CST
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No, I think you were right the first time.
Look at this quote from the article:
Orioles president Andy MacPhail said today that a deal is not imminent but acknowledged that Pie is the kind of player the Orioles are pursuing to broaden the club’s position depth.
“We have a lot of different irons in the fire,” MacPhail said. “We’re in the process of determining who our trading partners might be and which free agents we might have a chance to sign. We’re basically in the same position as everybody else, waiting for a couple of big dominoes to fall.”
That’s about as mealymouthed as you can get. He’ll still be saying that on Opening Day.
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by Al on
Nov 30, 2008 3:57 AM CST
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Roberts Aside...
… don’t forget that the Orioles did trade Eric Bedard. He crapped out but that was seen as the Orioles dealing an ace at the time.
by dmlichte on
Nov 29, 2008 10:54 PM CST
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And Tejeda
The O’s will trade when they get the right deal. I still don’t see Roberts happening.
by rlpete on
Nov 30, 2008 7:05 AM CST
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Neither do I.
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by Al on
Nov 30, 2008 7:07 AM CST
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This is my first off-season since discovering BCB
is this what you all do all winter long? I know there aren’t any MLB baseball games going on and we have to talk about something all winter but all these possible trade posts are making my head spin. At this point I am just usually reading the stories posts by Al and trying to avoid the rest of the free-form posts. You all keep posting what you want but I was just wondering if anyone else is getting overwhelmed with all this. NBC (which heretofore means “not being critical”).
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by Weeghman Park on
Nov 29, 2008 11:32 PM CST
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re:
NBC …
It’s the hot stove season. Furthermore, it’s news relating to the Cubs, which is definitely worth discussing.
I mean, what else is there to discuss? This wasn’t a “let me throw out a trade idea” post. This was a news article out there. What else is there to discuss in the offseason?
by toonsterwu on
Nov 29, 2008 11:46 PM CST
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Wrong weeghman,
There is baseball! Have you guys been watching beisbol de la republica dominicana? on espn deportes?
in fact i was watching it the other day and neifi (perez) came in as a late inning short stop replacement. i chuckled and thought of everyone here.
by xene on
Nov 30, 2008 12:23 AM CST
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a late inning replacement
how the mighty (in the mind of one man) have fallen.
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by nji232 on
Nov 30, 2008 12:46 AM CST
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I don't get ESPN Deportes or I would have been watching it. I love beisbol.
and that is why I specifically said MLB games rather than just baseball games. I’m just trying to figure out if this level of posting activity on potential trades based on potential rumors or sportswriters creating smoke to fill up an article is normal. I mean, even the author of this thread called it, “Hate to do this, a Peavy post.”
I’ll just read the historical things like the Cubs Can of Worms and you all can continue writing and reading your trade rumors posts and we’ll all be happy. Can’t wait until the pitchers and catchers report.
Have a great Dec. 1.
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by Weeghman Park on
Nov 30, 2008 10:18 PM CST
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Rosenthal has a little more:
Everybody’s favorite #5 is mentioned as likely to go in the deal, with the Cubs eating 2-3 mil. Also, there’s some very interesting info regarding Kerry Wood in that article. Thanks Ken for fueling the 2 major Cub’s sagas this winter
by philadelphiacub on
Nov 30, 2008 1:19 AM CST
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I didn't read Rosenthal's comments that way.
“Likely”? No. Read what he actually wrote:
The Cubs almost certainly will need to move right-hander Jason Marquis, who is earning $9.875 million next season, to clear both payroll and a rotation spot for Peavy.
The Padres could take Marquis, with the Cubs including enough money in the deal to reduce his salary to say, $7 million.
That reads like pure speculation on Rosenthal’s part. The most important part of that article is this:
Monday, the deadline for teams to offer salary arbitration to their respective free agents, could offer the first true glimpse of how much the economic crisis is affecting the way clubs do business.
On that, I agree 100%. We should know a LOT more after tomorrow’s arb deadline.
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by Al on
Nov 30, 2008 4:01 AM CST
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Rosenthal has a lot here.
There are several interesting things in that article, which I don’t remember hearing before:
1) After getting a LH-OF, the Cubs next priority is getting another starter. This is different than the impression I’ve gotten elsewhere, and, in fact, directly contradicts Lou’s statements.
2) Wood’s agents never raised the possibility of a 1-year deal with the Cubs. This strengthens the possibility that the Cubs and Wood could have re-started negotiations after the public parting of ways, by giving groundwork for the parting happening partially based on misunderstanding of what Wood wanted.
3) Teams interested in Marquis include the Reds, Rockies, and Giants. Marquis for Winn?
4) KR says, “The Padres could spin one or two of the prospects they receive from the Cubs.” To hear something like this strongly suggests that the Padres don’t like very much what the Cubs are offering, which further suggests that the Padres are locked in to dealing with the Cubs because of Peavy’s NTC.
We also got a timeline of sorts, with Rosenthal telling us that the Padres and Cubs ARE NOT CLOSE. A few things that need to be accomplished before this trade can happen.
1) A new owner must sign-off on Peavy. This first decision will tell us a little about the new owner’s modus operendi.
2) A home for Marquis must be found.
3) The Cubs and Pads have to work something out.
Because of 2 and 3, this could actually become a 4-team deal as Towers suggested. An example would be: Marquis goes to the Giants for a pitching prospect and Pie to the O’s for a pitching prospect and those prospects go to the Padres for Peavy.
But, then, here’s what we have to ask – is it possible we’d just be better off keeping those pitching prospects? For example, if Phil Hughes could be involved in a 3-team deal, as suggested elsewhere, I’d rather just keep Hughes than flip him for Peavy.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Nov 30, 2008 7:27 AM CST
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Clarification
In the second to last paragraph, I meant to say that those two prospects would join other players from the Cubs for Peavy.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Nov 30, 2008 7:29 AM CST
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Note specifically...
… that the priority is a LH OF BEFORE getting a starting pitcher.
To me, that says that IF there’s any Peavy talk to be made, it’ll be after the winter meetings, not before.
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by Al on
Nov 30, 2008 7:40 AM CST
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Yeah,
the Cubs want to get that LH bat first, BUT – Rosenthal’s wording is still surprising, putting another pitcher ahead of, say, a lead-off man, more speed, a LH reliever, etc.
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And yet, he could be speculating about all of this.
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by Al on
Nov 30, 2008 10:48 AM CST
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Oh, but it's all speculation....
… until we hear from Deep Goat!
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Nov 30, 2008 1:15 PM CST
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has
deep goat ever gotten anything right???
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Nov 30, 2008 1:38 PM CST
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Um, Al was one of the few
saying there would be no Roberts trade, based on D.G.’s info
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by DGU on
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I'd take Marquis for Winn...
…but we’d probably have to throw in Cedeno. WHICH I’D STILL TAKE!
I like Randy Winn….
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by carmen_fanzone on
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interesting
Giants fan here. This is the exact deal that I proposed over on our site. I didn’t get too many responses about from Giants’ fandom, but I joined here to see things from a Cubs fans’ perspective (thank you, c_f). Anyone else?
To me the impediment on the Cubs side is that you guys may be looking for more sock than Randy has. For us, it is tough to believe that Sabean would go after an unproven SS, since we have one already in E. Burriss. In spite of all that, it looks like there would be a lot of plusses on both sides (one for us would be that it prevents us from dishing out big for Furcal or Renteria, when we are not likely to contend next year; for you guys, perhaps it makes a Peavy deal easier, since you get rid of Marquis’ $$).
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Nov 30, 2008 7:44 PM CST
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There are a lot of Cub fans here who are ready to drop Cedeno for little in return.
I am not one of them.
I think Cedeno, given a full season at this point in his career, could very well outplay many of the free agent SSs that will be paid much more money. So, it will be interesting to see what kind of trade value Jim Hendry and other GMs assign to him.
I don’t think I’d do Marquis+Cedeno for Winn.
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thanks, DGU. I see where you are coming from. In fact, it’s where I’m coming from too (though a lot less informed about Ronny), which is why I’d like the Giants to do a deal like this. I’m not really at all interested in Marquis, but since we’re looking for a 5th starter-type anyway…he wouldn’t kill us. Plus, the money nearly evens out, so that wouldn’t be an issue.
by BigO on
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From a Giants' perspective
I think you are right on the money about what you should be looking for. Cedeno is a great buy-low for a team that won’t likely contend next year. If he busts, you won’t have lost much, especially if you just trade a veteran on his way out. If he makes it, you’ve a good SS.
What about this – would you do Fukudome and Cedeno for Winn and Hinshaw?
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by DGU on
Nov 30, 2008 10:21 PM CST
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nope
Kosuke’s got the Aaron Rowand kind of contract that we’d love to be rid of ourselves. I think he’ll improve over the length of it, but I can’t imagine his power would improve here at the Phone Booth. Also, part of the reason to deal Winn is to finally give Nate Schierholtz a look-see in RF.
by BigO on
Nov 30, 2008 10:49 PM CST
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I thought Schierholtz was a 2B?
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by Al on
Dec 1, 2008 4:13 AM CST
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i think he played if once upon a time but he’s been in the of for awhile now.
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You mean..
3B? Don’t even mention that to a "groug’ at the MCC. Schierholtz has been in RF since his second year in the organization though.
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Why?
Winn is a very, very good player. He won’t get us the big time stick we need in the lineup, but he is a switch hitter who is pretty much as good as we hoped Fukudome would be when we signed him over from Japan. He has 15HR/402B power and is above average with the glove. I believe you are familiar with the end-of-season positional reviews Sky Kalkman wrote over the last month or so and had Winn as the fifth best right fielder in all of baseball and wrote:
“Do the Giants even know what they have here? If so, why is he still in San Francisco instead of already traded for younger pieces that will help the organization towards the playoffs in 2010?”
If he is as good as advertised, and he would probably be better hitting in a far better lineup, getting him for Marquis and Cedeno is in my eyes a steal. For the record, I think Cedeno is a pretty good player, but it’s clear that Lou doesn’t and Cedeno probably will never get a shot here anyway. Marquis is purely a salary dump so essentially this is Cedeno for Winn, which is a no brainer.
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Dec 1, 2008 11:13 AM CST
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re:
I really don’t understand not giving Burriss a shot to claim short. I believe that Burriss can be a solid glove that provides enough offense for the position.
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Nov 30, 2008 8:38 PM CST
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well
there are a couple of angles on that. One is that a little seasoning in the minors would not hurt this guy – really, he jumped from A-ball to the bigs, after not having done especially well there. Second, there were murmurings last season that the Giants feel that he is much better defensively at second. If you get someone else for short, Burriss and Frandsen battle it out for 2nd. Finally, Burriss might provide “enough offense for the position” on a good hitting team, but the Giants ain’t that.
by BigO on
Nov 30, 2008 8:45 PM CST
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Cedeño is definitely a SS.
He is a high-range, high-error type — but your pitchers would probably love the range part. I doubt if he will ever be a selective (high OBP) hitter, but he has some pop in his bat and would probably be an overall offensive plus. He has had a tendency to make dumb mistakes, but he might improve on that as well with a change of scenery.
I like Winn a lot, but I don’t know if Lou thinks he has enough pop.
Marquis is overpaid, but he is serviceable and never injured, so he might help provide stability to your young studs.
I think that the Cubs would be willing to do that deal (2-for-1) if the Giants take more of Marquis’ contract.
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by DeRoMyHero on
Nov 30, 2008 8:53 PM CST
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when you say “more of Marquis’ contract”, what do you mean? My view (perhaps biased) is that if the Cubs evened up the near $2 million difference, it’d be fair.
by BigO on
Nov 30, 2008 9:01 PM CST
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The Cubs may want the Giants to take on more salary than they give up,
since they are giving up a young SS with some upside. They may end up settling at “evening it up” — that would be fine with me. I don’t hate Marquis like some do on this board and I don’t really want to see him go, but financial realities are what they are.
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by DeRoMyHero on
Nov 30, 2008 9:31 PM CST
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Does Winn have enough pop?
It’s a good question. In comparison, I’d ask if Winn is much different than David DeJesus, whose name has been connected to the Cubs by rumor? I guess DeJesus is younger, cheaper, and still has potential to breakout more, but they seem awfully comparable to me.
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by DGU on
Nov 30, 2008 10:16 PM CST
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the big difference seems to be that you’d have DeJesus locked up for three very reasonable years if you landed him. Randy’s a free agent after 2009. Maybe they’d play similarly for the Cubs in ’09, but clearly there is a large value gap.
by BigO on
Nov 30, 2008 11:13 PM CST
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I'd say..
Winn’s power may go up playing away from SF and the large NL West ballparks. At least by a few homers.
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by WalrusMan on
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Personally, I buy Burriss’ glove being as able as say, Cedeno, to stick at short (and I think Burriss’ glove is better than Edgar Renteria’s). I think Emmanuel just needs time. I also don’t buy Burriss’ bat being enough for 2nd, which requires a bit more than short. Finally, with a couple interesting 2nd base possibilities in the system, even with Denker gone (although I tend to think that Noonan is overrated), Burriss’ value, IMO, is better off at short for you guys, as Bocock feels util at best, and Schoop is a very fringy bet, and after that, we’re talking guys a few years away.
To be honest, I feel like it comes down to perspective. I know Sabean’s trying to push for the playoffs this year, what with the payroll increase and all, but I’m not sure I buy that is
a) All that realistic – strong rotation, pen can be found, but to add enough offensive pieces and address a couple pitching needs in one offseason is easier said than done.
b) All that smart. The team is loaded with young talent. Rather than a rash move to tie up payroll, or a trade that gives up talent, I’d wait and go for stopgaps and wait on the kids a bit. With so much talent in the system, there should be enough value to look forward to a ramped up push in 2010.
by toonsterwu on
Nov 30, 2008 10:46 PM CST
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agreed
on most counts, toonster. I would be happy enough to let Burriss grow at short at the MLB-level this year, then reconsider after the season. If anything, though, Sabes seems to be looking to the other extreme by signing a vet like Renteria. If he gives someone like that any more than 2 years, I think it’s a horrible move (maybe 3 for Furcal). To me, Cedeno would be a happy middle ground. Good point about Burriss’ bat at second. I hadn’t thought of it that way.
by BigO on
Nov 30, 2008 11:05 PM CST
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More confirmation....
I found this link
Oh Baby!
by cubswgnrocks on
Nov 30, 2008 9:12 AM CST
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And here we go round in circles.
The mlb.com article you link to quotes the Baltimore Sun article… that’s linked in this post.
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by Al on
Nov 30, 2008 10:49 AM CST
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All this speculation
is just that. I really don’t think anything is going to happen until we get that bat. Here’s why. Let’s say a team comes out of the blue (good color for us) and wants to trade us their LH hitting outfielder which Lou or Jim really want. It will take some prospects and second tier starters. If we have already made a move for Peavy we won’t have anything to trade with. So no, speculate all you want but nothing will happen until we get that LH bat.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
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Nov 30, 2008 11:47 AM CST
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hogwash
(good carb cleaner)
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by derv on
Nov 30, 2008 12:19 PM CST
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Now everyone back up for a moment and see what the clues are telling you.
Cubs are willing to trade Pie (what is new?) but O’s interested in Pie, (McPhail) and probably someone else who is not known, (purely speculative but Hill comes to mind, replaces Olson in rotation) in exchange for minor leaguer, someone who is 25 and was considered a prospect, simply deducing what is obvious—McPhail loves to deal in the middle like this gaining two positions for one hoping to hit lightening in the bottle.
Now the other item that we now know is Padres are interested in Olson and willing to trade Peavy as a centerpoint in the the trade that also included an infielder (Cedeno) and Vitters.
Also if the Cubs did do this trade they are said to want to find a LF RF’er, where the Rox, Reds and most curiously the Giants. who have Winn at $8.25M (Rox have Hawpe but he is young and signed, and looking for a place to play Spilborogh) but exchanging overpriced players could something the Giants might want next year.
This would solve the entire situation for next year in RF and open up a spot for Peavy. In reality it might save the Cubs $2.5M with the gain of Winn’s salary and Cedeno’s arbitration. Loss would be Vitters of course but it would make the Cubs rotation solidified with through 2010 with four starters.
The last question is Wood who will be offered arbitration in a chess game of chicken or reconciliation.
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by Ivy Walls on
Nov 30, 2008 1:33 PM CST
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I don't want to create a new thread so Perrotto
said today that we were offering Marquis for DeJesus. That won’t be enough, but it was an interesting note. For all the speculation about DeJesus, this is the first time that I’ve seen something written about it.
Also repeated the Ibanez thing and said Raul is ahead of Bobby, which shouldn’t shock anyone based upon the comments this offseason.
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Nov 30, 2008 2:03 PM CST
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Why on Earth would the Royals do that?
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by Al on
Nov 30, 2008 6:25 PM CST
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There is a value to dependable innings-munchers
and if the Cubs eat 3 M, on a one year contract, Marquis can look pretty attractive for teams that don’t want to have to fork over a 3 year deal.
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Nov 30, 2008 7:06 PM CST
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There may be a value...
… to dependable innings-munchers… for a team in contention. The Royals aren’t that. If they trade DeJesus, I assume they’d probably want prospects. They already have Gil Meche to eat innings and dollars.
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by Al on
Dec 1, 2008 4:14 AM CST
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Gil Meche is no mere innings eater.
He’s a pretty good pitcher and I would gladly take him here in Chicago, even at that price, which is more of a solid deal than you think.
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Agreed...
I’d certainly take that ERA+ of 128 and 107 in back to back years, along with the 210+ innings.
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to be clear
Perrotto indicated that wasn’t enough. I was just in a rush this morning. I think they’d want a young MI or arms in return. I just thought it was an interesting side note.
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From the San Diego Union-Tribune 11-30
Orioles In Peavy Mix
The Baltimore Sun identified the Orioles as a potential third team that could help the Cubs and Padres work a deal for Peavy. According to the report, the Orioles could be interested in Cubs center fielder Felix Pie and in return might send the Cubs a player suitable to the Padres.
The Padres sought young pitching from the Orioles in return for shortstop Greene and might try to get an Orioles pitcher via the Cubs.
Peavy, whose consent is needed for a trade, would prefer a trade to the Cubs over one to the Braves, according to multiple sources.
Ready for dinner, Al?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Nov 30, 2008 4:19 PM CST
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Much the same thing
Note the inclusion of the Lou quote about having six experienced starting pitchers already.
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Nov 30, 2008 4:30 PM CST
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more sense
If Greene is included where Cedeno is included with the Cubs the deal will have more players involved. SD is shedding payroll, $17-18M and getting two players who offer almost similar performance.
They might also might want something else like Fontenot whom I would rather have on the field than Theriot but neither actually have a position. The thing is it could be in the offing of one of the biggest blockbusters of the off season.
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by Ivy Walls on
Nov 30, 2008 5:28 PM CST
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Yeah, you're buying.
This is the same article that’s been quoted at MLB.com and several other places.
Look at what it says: “could”. “might”. Sounds like speculation on the writer’s part.
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by Al on
Nov 30, 2008 6:26 PM CST
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well whoever ends up buying...
I think all of BCB would like to see a fanpost shortly thereafter complete with all the culinary details, including how many servings of crow were on the menu. ;-)
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by ballhawk on
Nov 30, 2008 6:41 PM CST
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Isn't that how
all deals start out? Speculation…….query…….rumor…….once a player is put on the block, such as the aformentioned (thousands of times) Padres hurler.
We’ll have to be patient on this one. I’ll repeat, this is a very unusual situation the Padres have put themselves in, by being so vocal about their end game. Once some team — any team — can be added to the mix, this will happen.
Peavy’s limited destination points (or, perhaps, more correctly — point) continues to be a major factor. If this trade doesn’t happen before the season — it will eventually take place, possibly at the trade deadline. At risk of repeating myself, the Padres do not want to pay Jake Peavy a freakin’ dime.
If Peavy isn’t moved, the fans will cheer but the Padres boardroom will be very dismal. The longer this takes, the better for the Cubs. The Padres will be desperate to move him. They put up a brave face (“We’d be happy to have Jake Peavy as our 2009 Opening Day pitcher,” says Kevin Towers) but John Moores wants the payroll slashed, so this deal has to happen.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Nov 30, 2008 9:38 PM CST
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You said...
If Peavy isn’t moved, the fans will cheer but the Padres boardroom will be very dismal.
True.
One thing, however, you cannot say with certainty is that the above is NOT a possible outcome. Because it is.
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by Al on
Dec 1, 2008 4:15 AM CST
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Aw, heck, this all sounds too far-fetched, but...
My best guess at a three-way trade between these teams.
Cubs send Pie, Theriot, Marquis to Orioles for Olson, Huff
Cubs send Olson, Marshall, Vitters, Cedeno, Hart to Padres for Peavy & Greene
Summary: Pie, Theriot, Marquis, Marshall, Vitters, Cedeno, Hart
for Peavy, Greene, Huff
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
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Nov 30, 2008 9:42 PM CST
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Is it bad that I'm starting to hope the Cubs acquire Aubrey Huff?
by philadelphiacub on
Nov 30, 2008 10:58 PM CST
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Yes.
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by DeRoMyHero on
Nov 30, 2008 11:00 PM CST
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haha, i said that partially sarcastically, however:
304/360/552; 32 HR, 48 2B, OPS+ 135 that was a hell of a year
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I'd take Huff for one year, as I have said before.
But a deal like the one above is never going to happen.
1) The Orioles don’t want Marquis
2) It’s another fantasy-league deal with nine players involved.
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by Al on
Dec 1, 2008 4:16 AM CST
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Huff is a 1B/DH.
He’s got a good bat, but where does he play?
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by DeRoMyHero on
Dec 1, 2008 1:08 PM CST
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He could play RF.
He would be better than Adam Dunn out there, for example.
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by Al on
Dec 1, 2008 4:45 PM CST
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At a big step down in the bat of course
I’d probably rather have Dunn in RF than Huff when offense is taken into account.
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Dec 1, 2008 4:56 PM CST
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I dunno.
Dunn strikes me as the type of player who could decline quickly. To get him you probably have to sign him to a multiyear deal.
Huff, true, is three years older — but he’s in a walk year. You want to win now and he has the motivation of playing for a contender AND another contract.
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by Al on
Dec 1, 2008 5:06 PM CST
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May as well throw in a bag o' balls
It’s going to be a zany mix (maybe not quite like the one stated) when this deal is eventually finished. We’ll be talking about it for years…….
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Nov 30, 2008 10:02 PM CST
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Over dinner?
:)
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by Al on
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Much to Al's chagrin
per mlbtraderumors..
Murray Chass snagged a good quote from Padres GM Kevin Towers regarding the Jake Peavy trade talks:
“I would say the Cubs are still in it. Lou said they’re not in it, but their general manager says they’re in it. The Dodgers have bigger fish to fry. That’s not to say they might not circle back later in the winter. Our primary goal is to trade Peavy.”
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
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i dunno if al would be chagrined by it
after all, it is from towers, and not from the cubs side.
that said, i do believe this is real. I’m also okay with a Vitters deal, but I’m very wary of a Vitters and a lot more deal, depending on the parts, for Peavy.
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Dec 1, 2008 2:54 PM CST
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Interesting quote...
… and one that is, at least, new. What it says is that there’s conflict between Lou and Jim about whether to go for Peavy. I think Hendry’s probably more for it than Lou, who has an obsession with getting a lefty bat.
This sounds like Towers’ opinion, and not based on any facts whatsoever.
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by Al on
Dec 1, 2008 4:46 PM CST
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It doesn't have to be conflict
between the managers.
What it is is conflict between messages being given to different people, which happens all the time, sometimes purposefully by two managers working together.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Dec 1, 2008 7:37 PM CST
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5 for 1 deal
more per mlbtraderumors
8:42pm: Towers gave Tom Krasovic a Peavy update. Towers believes that the Braves’ unwillingness to grant Peavy a no-trade clause remains on obstacle in that potential match. Plus, a Krasovic source wonders whether Peavy would even OK a trade to Atlanta.
Krasovic adds that the Cubs and Padres discussed a 5-for-1 deal, where the Orioles would be involved to route more pitching to San Diego. However, Towers noted the Cubs’ current payroll concerns.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on
Dec 1, 2008 10:03 PM CST
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… the deal that the Braves are making for Vazquez likely used up one/some of the players that they would have sent to the Padres for Peavy. This is likely further evidence that the Braves are out of the running for Peavy…
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by initram on
Dec 2, 2008 10:47 PM CST
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Conflict?
Nah. I read it as Piniella saying that the rotation is set. That is true. The Cubs do not need to sign another SP.
However, if you are the last of 30 teams that is in the running for a 27-year-old former Cy Young, you go for it.
In a way, Piniella has to say that his rotation is set, otherwise he may risk sending the message to his team that he’s not confident in them in the event Hendry can’t land Peavy.
If we land Peavy, then the rotation is set…
…unless Hendry can get Sabathia for free.
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by initram on
Dec 2, 2008 10:46 PM CST
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Just let this deal
percolate for a while…..I’m in no hurry, and none of us should be either.
Delay instant gratification. Patience…is what this acquisition will be all about.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Dec 1, 2008 11:49 PM CST
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Yep
Meanwhile, Bruce Miles says the Cubs are still looking at Peavy in two new writings.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Dec 2, 2008 9:28 AM CST
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I found one of them.
Here’s what he wrote:
On the Peavy front, it may be true that the Orioles are involved in a possible three-way deal involving the Cubs, Padres and Peavy. One thing is certain: second baseman Brian Roberts will not be coming to the Cubs in such a deal. If Peavy comes, that’s a lot of money to pay out, and the Cubs will have pitcher Jason Marquis and his nearly $10 million on the books, assuming he’s not part of this proposed trade.
There’s nothing really new there, nor does it say the Cubs are “still” looking at him. It’s couched in words like “may”, “if”, “assuming”, “proposed”.
Nothing to see here, move along.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 2, 2008 5:28 PM CST
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Here's the other one.
As it is, Hendry still needs to add a quality left-handed hitter, and he still has interest in trading for Padres pitcher Jake Peavy, who has an expensive long-term contract.
Pretty vague, if you ask me.
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by Al on
Dec 2, 2008 5:29 PM CST
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Sure, it's vague.
But he does say Hendry has interest.
I don’t think the Cubs will move on Peavy (if they move at all) until more is known on the ownership front. There is no reason for Jim Hendry to move quickly on Peavy at this point and every reason to slow those talks down.
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by DGU on
Dec 2, 2008 8:01 PM CST
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I Think You Nailed It...
… taking on Peavy’s $11M contract for 2009, especially if Marquis is moved, is likely palatable. The other $70M (which will likely all be guaranteed), will be a tough pill to swallow for the new owner, if there is one.
Wouldn’t it be a nice plunge for a new owner to come in and approve the signings of both Peavy and Woody? Worth wishing for…
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by initram on
Dec 2, 2008 10:51 PM CST
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Actually....
… Peavy’s contract for 2009 may be $11.5M if traded.
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by initram on
Dec 2, 2008 10:54 PM CST
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