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Cubs to offer Wood Arb.

So it's now coming around that the Cubs plan on offering Kerry Wood arbitration, mostly because he is a Type A free agent and we could get some draft picks if he chooses to leave.  Wood has been quoted as saying that we would like to stay in Chicago even for a lesser year deal and money.  Could you see Kerry accepting some horrid arb. deal just to stay in Chicago or could this be the last slap in the face?

 

Here's the link http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081126&content_id=3694386&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

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I think the Cubs are offering him arb just to cover their buts when he signs somewhere else to get the draft picks. I think they will offer a low number so he’ll decline, as sad as I think it is I’m pretty certain his days in Cubbie blue are over.

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by CubbieBlue1138 on Nov 30, 2008 10:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

But here's the thing.

Offering arbitration doesn’t necessarily mean a specific dollar offer. It just means they are offering him a spot back on the 40-man roster. The dollars are determined later, either by negotiation or arbitration.

If they offer, I am 100% certain he will accept.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 30, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

100%?

Why do you feel that confidently about it?

And as an aside, that article says it’s LIKELY that the Cubs will offer arbitration, not that they will as the title of this thread states.

by kanderber on Nov 30, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Because the FA market doesn't look that strong for closers

The Angels appear more interested in Sabathia and Texiera. The Mets are the only obvious big-salary team looking for a closer and there is K-Rod and Fuentes available in addition to Wood. I wouldn’t be surprised either if Wood is back for the Cubs.

by rlpete on Nov 30, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If he does accept,

he will probably get between nine and ten million dollars, which will make it all but certain that the Cubs will have to trade for a right fielder or look for an in-house solution rather than go to free agency. Furthermore, if they do intend on getting Peavy, it will make it imperative that they trade away Marquis and don’t give up more than one or two million dollars to the team that takes him.

by dakoose on Nov 30, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They can still trade him

If he accepts arb, or they can cut him in spring training and pay a fraction of the cost

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 30, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not exactly.

Cutting him after he accepts arbitration could result in big problems for the Cubs, as teams are not allowed to offer arbitration to a player they don’t intend on keeping if he in fact does accept the one year offer. The Players’ Union would file a grievance and the Cubs would most likely end up paying for him anyway, so if the Cubs are offering him arbitration they are knowingly taking the risk that he does accept.

by dakoose on Nov 30, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

didn't the Padres try to do that with Todd Walker a few years ago?

Not sure how it ended up but IIRC, it became a bit of a mess. You can imagine the stink it would cause here if the Cubs went that route with Wood. Cubs may be stupid but they’re not dumb. Not gonna happen.

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by ballhawk on Nov 30, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Walker was cut...

… because he got beat out in spring training. That’s the only way you can do that if someone signs that way… the Padres had to make their case before an arbitrator and said that Marcus Giles had beat out Walker for the 2B job, and they were right.

If he does wind up signing, he’ll be in the bullpen.

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by Al on Nov 30, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"It's coming around".

Could you be more specific? Any links or other citations?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 30, 2008 10:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, I just found that myself.

Sure sounds like good news to me.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 30, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

December 8th

I predict December 8th he accepts and Ron Santo is voted into the Hall of Fame. A truly joyous day all around.

With how Ron feels about Kerry I think Kerry coming back will mean close to as much as making the Hall of Fame.

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by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 30, 2008 11:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That is one of the 10 most

ludicrous things I’ve ever heard in my life.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Nov 30, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Could you name the other 9?

just curious….

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by carmen_fanzone on Nov 30, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good news

I’m thinking Kerry will accept a fair deal and limite years to come back. The Cubs are after all one of the better bets to make the playoffs and Kerry I’m sure would like to be a part of that.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Nov 30, 2008 11:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

the drama will continue .. and we can only hope Woody can make it back ..

Kerry Wood, unlike many MLB players seems to be one of those rare guys who have an established personal loyalty with his team and its community that is so strong that he genuinely doesn’t want to go anywhere else and will do so only after really working his front office big time before he cuts the ties.

It could be. It’s a cagy thing. You can live or die by the sword on that.

It’s clear Kerry’s got a personal investment here in the community and with his career that won’t be established anywhere else easily .. but at the same time, both he and Hendry know what each other wants. It’s not rocket science.

Kerry’s established as one of the chief, if not THE face of the franchise and knows his value after the years of uncertainty he’s had – posting great numbers last year. Hendry is certainly aware of that. Kerry wants another fat contract and the Cubs want to get him as cheap as they can. So they are letting the classic baseball winter drama go down. Again, it’s business. I think if there had been really hard feelings, arbitration wouldn’t even have been on the table.

And Kerry’s no dope. He loves the city and the team and what he’s got going here, and he is not going to rush into anything. He’s letting due process work in his favor and will be definitely entertaining offers and keeping them close to vest. He’s still young and who knows? Could he pull a Dempster over the winter on the basis of how he feels and decide he wants to try to work his way back into a rotation slot?

Do you think the Cubs will pass on a rotation with Kerry Wood returning to it?

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Nov 30, 2008 11:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

How much of that personal loyalty

 Do you think might’ve been eroded after he was rather loyal to the Cubs last year and the Cubs seemingly didn’t take that into consideration?

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by lemon20pie on Nov 30, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs...

have paid him a lot of money to sit in doctor’s offices over the years.

Loyalty has gone both ways.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Nov 30, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that's my point ..

For three years, Kerry has been a reclamation project and the Cubs paid him some good money to rehab and do towel drills. He resigned with that in mind in a classy move only for this to happen.

Kerry’s career turned around at the expense of the Cubs.

The Cubs would be glad to hold on to him if he wasn’t asking what he’s asking

The Cubs’ gamble on him in 07 and 08 paid off and he’s on his way to being a dominant closer.

Kerry’s got stakes in Chicago and I think he wants to stay around ..

Classic issue of the irresistible force meeting the immovable object ..

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Nov 30, 2008 10:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was more responding to lemonpie

And to everyone else who feels like Kerry has been the only one that has shown loyalty.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Dec 1, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, in fairness...

The Cubs’ loyalty was somewhat forced upon them. They had ALREADY committed to paying Wood all that money when he really started having to go to the doctor. It was simply good business to try to get him healthy considering he was costing them $12 million per year either way.

Once they got out from under the big contract, they weren’t really loyal (or unloyal). They offered sensible one-year, incentive-laden contracts. The gamble was fairly minimal on their part.

by SouthernCub on Dec 1, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Nuts" said Gen McAuliffe....

EJ Thunder, Wood is mechanically not sound to ever start again. He is a special talent and possibly could have a year where he is the best closer in the game for he is more than merely “meat” on the mound.

He can make a situational pitch that is so dominant like in Houston in 2007 when the Cubs needed a victory and up by one run, two on, one out he induced a GEDP. He sawed off the hands of the batter who hit a meek grounder to Ramirez.

But Wood has mechanical problems and he can tire, that said if Hendry finds a way to have room on the payroll for him he makes the Cubs already solid bullpen potentially dominant. But I would rather have a Peavy than Wood.

Wood is worth about $6-7M for a contender, not $9-10.

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by Ivy Walls on Nov 30, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well spoken sir ..

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Nov 30, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gentleman

Kerry Wood might not be offered arbitration due to the fact that he would probably be awarded close to 9-10 million for 2009 season! I am sure he would accept it at that type of money so I really doubt the Cubs will offer it.

Also, I am not sure if he will be allowed to sign for less then the arbitration money, so you should start getting used to not seeing him around

by MrShowtime on Nov 30, 2008 11:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Market rates

if negotiations fail, market rates prevail. And they will not be $9 – 10M.

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by derv on Nov 30, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If we're talking about his arb. figures...

he will surely get something a lot closer to 9-10M than the 4M he made in ’08.

by kanderber on Nov 30, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he made more than 4mil

im not sure what it was exactly but with incentives it got preety high in the 8-9 mil range i think

by Glacier on Nov 30, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

$9-10 million

is way too much for Kerry Wood…

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by CubFaninCA on Nov 30, 2008 12:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Strongly disagree.

But I wouldn’t go more than that.

by EJThunder on Nov 30, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

funny how you are willing to spend other people's money

you work at the Exchange?

Cubs are right now at $125M…..they need a RF’er who has an offensive bat, they need a LH reliever for 7th-8th inning situations and then they want another starter before Wood comes into the picture.

So in the context of that where does he fit into the mix of the Cubs budget ceiling being $136-138M?

Okay let us say the Cubs remove $10.85-$11M with Cedeno and Marquis being traded, so they are at $114M with $22M to spend. LH reliever $4-5M …$17M left, LH RF’er, $9-10M = $7-8M remaining. Now what if your choice is Peavy or Wood with that remaining $8M?

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by Ivy Walls on Nov 30, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs Are Higher...

… than $125M right now… more like $134-$135M. And that’s without RJ, Gaudin, Cedeno, Weurtz, and Cotts arbitration values.

In Hendry We Trust

by initram on Nov 30, 2008 5:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.....

You must work at the exchange also because it seems as if you have all of the Cubs expenses figured out.

How do you know that a 1-year deal worth $9-10M would be out of the question for Hendry?

From what I’ve seen in articles on cubs.com and elsewhere it seemed to me that Hendry didn’t feel comfortable committing a multi-year deal for Kerry.

Like I have stated before, Kerry is a valuable asset to the team due to his leadership qualities (longest tenured player) just as much as his performance last year.

In my opinion, I feel like an incentive laden deal for next season shouldn’t be as ridiculous as others on here make it sound.

If I am alone in this so be it. I think it is the cubs best interest to bring him back because I have a feeling that this Kevin Gregg deal is going to blow up on Hendry’s face.b

by EJThunder on Nov 30, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

9M Would Be Too Much...

… and here is why.

Assume we do not trade anymore, nor sign any FA. We settle all arbitration eligible players, as well as Wood for $9M.

That puts us at $150M. Would you consider $150M a “slight increase in payroll” from $130M that Hendry has stated he has to play with? Also, if that’s the case, we have failed to sign a lefty RF, a LOOGY, a backup catcher, etc.

In Hendry We Trust

by initram on Nov 30, 2008 8:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Woo-hoo!! We need this guy back.

DO IT, JIMBO.

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by dtpollitt on Nov 30, 2008 1:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Offer Howry arbitration!

We know the Giants are in on Howry, so the worst thing that could happen is that he accepts and we trade Howry to the Giants for nothing. Best case – the Giants (or someone with an unprotected first round pick) signs him and we get two draft picks. Medium case – he accepts arbitration and has enough value on a one year deal that we can trade him as part of a package to get something we need (Marquis and Howry for Randy Winn?).

I don’t see the downside of offering Howry arb.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 30, 2008 1:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Worst case

He is granted a salary that the Cubs can’t trade.

by rlpete on Nov 30, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If he accepts

and we can’t trade him there is a very good chance our other relievers outperform him in spring training and we can release him for a small fraction of his salary.

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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Nov 30, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I personally am willing

to pay that small fraction if it means we take a chance at getting more draft picks because as we all know the farm system needs a lot of help ASAP

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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Nov 30, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah same thing with Wood

We really need the draft picks. Offer arbitration to Wood and Howry. If they accept, trade Howry, keep Wood.

by IllinoisCubs on Nov 30, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Again, thats not true.

If a team gives a player arbitration they can’t simply cut him and call it a day. That would mean the team offered Howry arbitration without intending to keep him, which is against the rules, and the Union would be all over that. If the Cubs offer and Howry accepts, they would probably have to keep him, as I don’t see a team trading for him.

by dakoose on Nov 30, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Howry is tradeable

If Cub fans can put aside how frustrated they were with him this year, they’ll see a reliever who was consistent and top of the line more often over the past 5 years than guys who have gotten really nice reliever deals. On a one-year deal, Howry is very tradeable.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 30, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

At the price he gets in Arb

he will probably be a tough sell.

by dakoose on Nov 30, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

4 M?

Really?

With relievers, teams have to be more scared of the years than the dollars.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 30, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Howry reports to ST

and is outperformed by a majority of our relievers he can be cut for a fraction of what receives through arbitration.

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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Nov 30, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No such thing.

We’re dealing in the 3-5 M range. Someone will take a flyer on that, and if we absolutely need to eat 1 or 2 M, is it really a big deal?

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 30, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Giants

If they are indeed after Howry, a Cubs arbitration offer would likely not turn off the Giants. They have a history of not wanting to deal with top draft pick dollars. Over the past years they have made a few free agent decisions that cost them first round picks because they didn’t want to pay the first round draft pick dollars. For example, one year I believe they signed a Type A free agent before they arbitration offer date. The player was not going to be offered arbitration, saving the Giants the draft pick, but they wanted to save the money.

I wonder, however, whether the Cubs current financial and ownership situation will impact the decisions here. The Cubs could sure use four or five picks in the first round and sandwich round, but that may not happen.

by dmlichte on Nov 30, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe arb rules

limit your ability to sign & trade a player until well into the start of the season to prevent teams from doing that.
Cubs will not go near Howry with arbitration.

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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 30, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The "sign and trade" rule

applies to free agents, not players who accept arbitration. If the Cubs were to sign a FA like Ibañez, they could not trade him before next June 15. If Bob Howry accepts arbitration, they can trade him at any time either before or after the arbitration hearing.

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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 30, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I Have To Agree With This...

… and I think that something fishy is going on with Woody. I think regardless of what happens re: arbitration with Woody, it will be moot. Meaning, if they do offer it, I doubt it gets to the hearing and they get a one-year deal hammered out. If they don’t, Woody still tries to land elsewhere, but ends up a Cub with a guaranteed deal (i.e., limit the incentives so it’s a fixed cost).

In Hendry We Trust

by initram on Nov 30, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

I wonder if this was Hendry’s plan all along with Wood going along with it.

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by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 30, 2008 3:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing....

but why would Hendry make a public statement about the organization and Kerry parting ways?

by EJThunder on Nov 30, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well, according to

this, and I realize it’s a single source, the Cubs don’t want Wood back even on a 1 year 9-10 mil dollar deal. It even says that if Wood accepts arb. the Cubs will try to deal him to someone like the Rangers. It also says that although Wood said he’d come back on a 1-yr deal, his agent never brought it up. This isn’t the first time I’ve linked this article, but those who want Wood back so much seem to keep glazing over certain points of the article

by philadelphiacub on Nov 30, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

actually, on rereading it

it suggests that they could try to trade him if he accepted arb, not that they would necessarily. It also speculates that they could simply release him. I realize its speculation, but its based on the Rosenthal having information that leads him to believe the Cubs do not want Wood back

by philadelphiacub on Nov 30, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised that...

….Cubs.com actually covered this like true news story. I rarely check their website for news because it’s more of a PR machine than anything else.

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by cubswynn on Nov 30, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So he could....

Sign a multi-yr deal with some other team.

by Bud Man Cub Fan on Nov 30, 2008 4:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Personally

I don’t think Kerry owes anything to the Cubs.

Baseball is a profession. It’s a business. Teams never feel when a player gets hurt, they simply just let him go. Now that Kerry is healthy, I have no problem with him going out and getting paid. He and his family deserve it, even if we don’t like it.

With that being said, I think the two can find a middle ground where Kerry gets his money and the Cubs get their pitcher back. I’ve been saying it all along.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Nov 30, 2008 5:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

off topic...

… but I wanted to post this gem from Phil Rogers. He wrote in today’s Trib about Don Baylor and had this to say

Though Baylor failed to make the playoffs with the team he inherited from Jim Riggleman, he helped raise the organization’s standards. His hiring ended a period when the Cubs often hired inexperienced managers and has been followed by the Dusty Baker and Lou Piniella eras, which have produced three playoff teams in six years.

His hiring end a period when the Cubs often hired inexperienced managers? Lets see here…

- Baylor replaced Jim Riggleman. Riggleman was not inexperienced. While he only had completed two plus years with the San Diego Padres as their manager he was well thought of and the Cubs hired him away from the Padres.

- Riggleman replaced Tom Trebelhorn. Treb was hardly inexperienced, managing more than five seasons in Milwaukee.

- Trebelhorn replaced Jim Lefebvre. Lefebvre managed three complete seasons in Seattle and actually was fired after his best season in Seattle.

- Lefebvre technically replaced the inexperienced Jim Essian, who managed only 3/4 of the 1991 season for the Cubs. Essian was the replacement for Don Zimmer who before the Cubs, managed ten seasons for three different seasons.

The last “inexperienced” manager that the Cubs hired and who worked for at least one complete season was Lee Elia in 1982. I am not one who bangs the drum when it comes to Phil Rogers reporting abilities but what the hell is he talking about here?

by dmlichte on Nov 30, 2008 5:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

On the other side of the spectrum

Everyone is saying Kerry would accept it and he wants to be back. However Cubs said they don’t want him and who knows if he’s hurt or even embarrassed they would get rid of him. Perhaps Kerry wouldn’t accept arbitration because he doesn’t want to play for a team that doesn’t want him?

The fans want him back but if the org. doesn’t then why would he accept arbitration when he knows he’ll get the same or better offer from another team?

by ak123 on Nov 30, 2008 5:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hendry Did Not Say He Didn't Want Wood...

… he said that the “Cubs were prepared to move on without him”.

What does that mean? That means that Hendry was willing to accept the risk of letting the exlusivity period expire and allowing Kerry to be swooned by one of the 29 other teams.

I still think this was all a ploy to have Kerry try to maximize his offers in the FA market. What still baffles me, though, was Wood’s public comments.

In Hendry We Trust

by initram on Nov 30, 2008 6:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you may be right

Also notice, that Hendry did not respond to the comments by Wood. This is going to be interesting…

by LT on Nov 30, 2008 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What baffles me most

is how Hendry seems to be justifying not wanting Kerry back short term because Kerry would be better off getting a multi-year deal, something the Cubs aren’t willing to offer. I don’t have a source for that, but I am positive I read that somewhere credible, and not from some joke of a tribune or sun-times writer. Hendry seems to be going about this as Kerry’s father or something, and not as the GM of a team looking to win-now. With Kerry on this team any lead after six innings is safe, and I would have at least contemplated offering Kerry a one year deal at about 7 million dollars. When you read between the lines it appears that the Cubs just don’t want him back. Why, I’m not sure of.

by dakoose on Dec 1, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

question

did it ever occur to you hendry bashers that he may know something about wood’s health that we dont?? of course he’s not gonna put it out there, cause he dont wanna be detrimental to woody.

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by cubsluver22 on Dec 1, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a big hendry hater,

but he still does things that bother me. This is a one year deal and not much of a gamble.

by dakoose on Dec 1, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

again

you dont know what it is. how do you know its not a gamble??like I said hendry is no dummy. I’d bet money on it that if we dont sign wood on a 1yr deal, it has alot to do with his medical history. hendry knows exactly what his medical reports say about his pitching arm, we do not. even if there was something that would raise eyebrows in there,hendry would never go public with it out of respect for wood.

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by cubsluver22 on Dec 1, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this has less to do with medical history...

and more to do with the payroll limitations. I think Hendry has a number he has to meet, and signing Wood precludes him from filling holes that he and Piniella feel are a higher priority.

If that’s the case, then it really doesn’t matter whether a $7 million one-year deal is much of a gamble or not. If Hendry and Piniella feel that resigning Wood is a lower priority than addressing other holes (like RF, for example) then the level of gamble becomes irrelevant.

by SouthernCub on Dec 1, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're Probably Right...

… and Hendry won’t know how much his payroll is after he signs a lefty or not, signs Peavy or not, moves Marquis or not, signs a LOOGY or not, signs a backup catcher or not, etc. He will need time…

… and time is exactly what Kerry needs to – look at the offers that are out there. Perhaps Kerry will take his best offer back to Hendry as we near ST and see if a deal can be struck to stay with the Cubs.

In Hendry We Trust

by initram on Dec 2, 2008 11:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

About Wood's possible salary...

… do NOT assume it would be $9-$10m just because that’s the sum an arbitrator might award him. Keep in mind that all of Wood’s statements have pretty much said he’s not in this for the money.

Further, the Cubs pride themselves on NOT going to arb hearings. You can bet that if he accepts arb (and I am assuming he will), they’ll come to a quick agreement on salary and terms. It may very well include incentive clauses, if they are concerned about injury.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 30, 2008 6:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Color me skeptical

As good of a guy I think Wood is, there’s no way he signs for less money than he would have gotten through arbitration.

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by berselius on Nov 30, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows

But Wood seems like the kind of guy who would realize that taking the Cubs to the cleaners would hamper their chances to upgrade the team in other areas.

Wood has a lot of money, so he probably cares more about being happy than getting more money. I’m sure he knows the Cubs financial situation and he knows that the team needs to upgrade in other places to be a dominant team again.

by dr stabbingworth on Nov 30, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wood could work out a 2-year deal

that is backloaded to help the Cubs with finances this year. That’s another option.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 30, 2008 10:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just adding to the problem

Another backloaded contract only feeds the beast.

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by cubswynn on Nov 30, 2008 10:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes and no

Not so much a one year deal. It just delays the problem, which isn’t a bad thing to do when the Cubs are this close.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Dec 1, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Another naive fan?

Sorry, but I lol when I hear people conclude “…well, he has enough money already…he’ll sign for less.” Such a statement leads me to assume the writer/speaker doesn’t really know how the business of sports works. I’m also sure this opinion would lead one to be puzzled when millionaire athletes go out on ‘work stoppages,’ either.

Do you not think that agents control the players? Even if some would like to sign for less, some agents will not allow their clients to do so. They – the agents — are also competing. They like to win, in their own special little arena.

Some agents actually watch out for the client’s best interest. (Scott Boras — that’s not you.) But, most will do their best — to maximize their clien’t earning potential. The only possibility is that Wood’s enough of a vet (and most assuredly NOT because he’s made a lot of money already) to make sure an agent fulfills his wishes.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 30, 2008 9:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is a really cynical comment.

If there’s anyone who will tell his agent to go screw himself because he wants a particular situation, it’d be Kerry Wood.

I say he’s offered arbitration, accepts, and signs for a reasonable sum before a hearing is ever scheduled.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 1, 2008 4:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interestingly, Gordo claims they won't offer

if they think he’d accept.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Dec 1, 2008 7:12 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

It will be interesting...

My guess is that he will be offered and that he won’t accept. We’ll see what happens.

by SouthernCub on Dec 1, 2008 8:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly opposite of what Carrie Muskat said at cubs.com

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 1, 2008 8:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not opposite really...

Wittenmyer says the Cubs will only offer if they think Wood won’t accept. Muskat says they will likely offer. The two are not necessarily in conflict. One COULD infer from the two articles that the Cubs anticipate that the Cubs will offer KNOWING that Wood will not accept.

Adding support to that theory is that Muskat makes no real mention of the possibility of Wood accepting, only discussing the benefit of offering Wood arbitration in terms of gaining compensatory picks.

The only way for the two to be in conflict would be if the Cubs offered and Wood accepted (making Wittenmyer wrong), or if the Cubs didn’t offer (making Muskat wrong).

by SouthernCub on Dec 1, 2008 9:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

slight edit...

change “knowing Wood will not accept” to “expecting Wood will not accept.”

by SouthernCub on Dec 1, 2008 9:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Personally...

… given the relationship that Kerry and Hendry seem to have, I am of the opinion that they know exactly what the other party will do. I will further surmise that each party knew about this before Hendry came out and made any public statements.

What I am saying is whatever the Cubs decide to do, Wood already knows it. And, whatever Kerry decides, Hendry already knows it.

In Hendry We Trust

by initram on Dec 1, 2008 9:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Entirely possible.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 1, 2008 9:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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