1 week until Santo gets into the Hall of Fame!

ronnie. this is my sign of luck for our chances next year. if he gets in—so do we.

A member of Society of American Baseball Research ( SABR) recently sent a post to folks on this in general
and said that it was unlikely ANYONE would get in because it is such a small voting group and everyone who was up had fallen very short. Al or Mike who are also members might remember more details but it looked grim.

This will be the third time around for voting on the veterans committee, of which they have not voted in anyone. There is a large amount of pressure on the committee to vote someone in or there is a chance they will be disolved. Ron will be voted in on December 8th.

Yes, it’s a smaller group. That means they have fewer people to choose from (only 10). Santo was 5 votes shy last time not “fallen very short” as Doggie Stalker claiimed.

then what is the purpose of having it? It just gives false hope to former players and fans of teams. Its ridiculous to have it if all they do is not elect members.

i will get a tatoo on my right calf with the Cubs C surrounded by “this old Cub” and “HOF #10”

if it does… that being said… its not gonna happen. not because he doesnt deserve it but becuase the HOF vets committee is the most snotty stuck up group alive. They dont want to expand their country club.. i feel bad for ron. i really do. will be saying a prayer for him next sunday. Ron is the cubs to my moms generation..

…Santo himself doesn’t want to be known for diabetes hurting his career’s longevity, but I think only when you look at it in that context is he a hall of famer. He doesnt quite have the career numbers, but he should definitely be in because of what he accomplished in a short time and with a disease that hindered him.

While I want Ron and Dawson in the hall of fame very badly, I almost wonder if the Hall of Fame should really be a place with players who weren’t no brainers. The Hall of Fame is about Legends and greater than great players, not just great players. Unfortunately that means players like Jim Rice, Tommy John, and others shouldn’t be in there, for the mere fact that people have to think about whether or not they are Hall of Famers. When you think “should Tony Gwynn be in the Hall of Fame?” or Wade Boggs or Ryne Sandberg, there isn’t a second thought about it.

That said, Ronnie and Dawson should definitely be there, but I am biased.

there won’t be a dry eye in BCB during his induction speech if he does get in. Cooperstown will be swarmed with Cubs fans.

I think there has been an unspoken sentiment among the voters that no team that failed to reach the postseason should have so many Hall of Famers.

If Santo gets in, that will be Santo, Banks, Williams and Fergie. That’s four Hall of Famers from an era that is most famous for collapsing.

…and glad I found this post.

Ronnie deserves the HOF.

its a 13 hour drive from des plaines to cooperstown. Here’s hoping that piece of information ends up being useful.

He’s the only other guy on the list being considered by the Veterans Committee that I feel has even a slim chance. I only remember Kaat as a relief pitcher with the Cardinals in the early 1980’s. I do see he had a lot of great years with the Twins and White Sox from the 1960’s through the mid-1970’s. I think Santo is more deserving, but if there is someone that gets in besides Santo, it would be Kaat.

I missed out on his playing days, but hope he finally gets into the HOF this year.

I hope he gets in but I can buy the argument that he is not a hall of famer.

No MVP’s; only finished in the top 5 twice.
No Postseasons – agreed this is a weak predictor
Only a 4 time starter in all-star game
No batting titles, never a HR, RBI, R, H leader, although was two-time OBP leader
only top 10 in XBH five times

I also think his obsession with getting in the hall has hurt him. I think he is one of the great Cubs of all time but I can understand the argument that he shouldn’t get in. Also, just because there are some undeserving guys in the hall doesn’t mean Ron should get in. The fact that he wasn’t voted in the first round of BBWAA voting who all saw he and his peers play says a lot to me. It is the hall of fame, and should be for the elite players of a generation, not the very good.

Think about diabetes and think about Ron being one of the only position players in baseball history with the disease.

I always say you can tell if someone really knows the game by how they feel about Santo and the HOF. The more you know the game the more likely you are to support his candidacy.

I also have heard that Ryno who is extremely respected by his fellow HOFers has been really working for this.

If Santo hadn’t had diabetes he would of played for 4 or 5 more years. You add 4 or 5 more years off numbers and you get real close to other HOF’ers offisive numbers. Santo would of had close to 500 HR’s if the diabetes didn’t end his career early. Not only did he put up pretty good numbers for his time, he did it while battling a disease that was WAY harder to keep under control back then. You can’t keep a man out of the HOF for reasons beyond his control, you must look at what he did with what he had. Pretty amazing if you ask me.

Monday December 8th.