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Maddux is Done

I just heard the news on St. Louis radio. I looked it up on the 'net and it appears to be true. Scott Boras, Maddux's agent, has came out and said that Maddux is probably going to retire. There is no official word from Maddux himself yet, but it's probably true.

 

Here is a link:

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=482367

 

Personally, I wish he'd keep on playing. Even if he was a player-coach. He's still better than a lot of other pitchers in baseball. Still, I wish him the best. Without doubt, he's the best pitcher of my lifetime, and the best pitcher baseball has seen in many, many, years.

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#31

Retirement ceremony for him and Fergie on Opening Day?

Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 4, 2008 11:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'd be cool with that...

… maybe sometime other than opening day, but, i’m cool with it whenever.

by TheHawkRules on Nov 4, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He'll retire as an Atlanta Brave

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 4, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

#31 Should Be Retired

by both the Braves and Cubs. A Braves logo will be on Maddux’s plaque in Cooperstown. #31 should have been retired a long time ago for Jenkins. #31 should be retired for both Fergie and Greg with the Cubs.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Nov 4, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably after Maddux gets into the Hall of Fame.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 4, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

355 Wins

No pitcher is going to get to that mark ever again. I’m pretty certain he did not use any performance enhancing drugs.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Nov 4, 2008 12:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it either...

…Maddux seems to be an old fashioned meat and potatoes kinda guy.

by TheHawkRules on Nov 4, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Steak and wine actually

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 4, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's time...

…for him to call it quits, because I would hate to see him linger and get hit around the yard.

When he left the Cubs in 06, I think he was about done then, but Petco and Dodger stadium allowed him to hold on a tad longer.

Maddux is not only the best pitcher of my lifetime, but he is probably the smartest baseball player I have ever seen.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 4, 2008 12:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If there were a way to quantify combined smarts and pitching skills

he’d have to be in the top 10 all time at worst.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 4, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I read that wrong the first couple of times

(there, that makes more sense)

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Nov 5, 2008 4:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I wrote that pretty poorly

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a shame

one more season and he could end up 5th on the all time wins list.

When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo

by gwood on Nov 4, 2008 12:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Since Warren Spahn

Maddux has the most career victories of any MLB pitcher. Maddux wasn’t born until April 14, 1966, and Spahn’s last game was October 1, 1965.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Nov 4, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be so sure

Maddux himself has made similar statements for years. It may be more likely than not but no done deal.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 4, 2008 12:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't recall it being this definitive before, though.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 4, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True

And this makes it more likely than not he would retire BUT the NY POST headline that he is “almost certain” to retire is in typical
NY Post fashion totally bogus and made up. What Boras said was “He hasn’t made a final decision, but for now it is doubtful he will play (any longer),” Boras said at the GM Meetings. “As it stands now, he is not going to play.” Not exactly “almost certain”.

I am surprised he said anything at all as Maddux detests speculation and I figure if he is retiring he will send out a little note “gone golfing for the rest of the decade” say day after Christmas or whenever it will get the least attention.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 4, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"He is not going to play."

Sounds pretty certain to me.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 4, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Trust me if it were "almost certain"

It would be done. Boras has more than a few qualifiers there. Like I said I am shocked he said ANYTHING at all as this
is not how Maddux usually does this. He may well stretch out a decision but he avoids speculating more than generic stuff and
does not like when others do it. If he is really retiring I would expect him to issue something very soon.

In the meantime I am trying to think of ways to influence the family. Does Kathy really want him around the house watching and screaming at baseball games when he is not on the golf course ? Does his son really want him to show up at all his
little league games ? I would hope they would consider letting Greg come out and play just one more season.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 4, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And if they do...

… next year you’ll be saying the same thing.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 4, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True

and probably till his arm did fall off but realistically I really want one more year.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 4, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If it were up to us, we would have him playing one year and collecting his pension the next.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 4, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the word "probably" should be added to the title of this fanpost.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 4, 2008 1:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think you are "probably" right.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 4, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, the Maddog may retire

talk about a class act and the professor of baseball.

Any team in need of a pitching coach? I can think of at least a few.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Nov 4, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Damn.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Nov 4, 2008 1:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The old guy still has it

Sent from a fellow Maddux obsessed friend. This from TODAY’S live ESPN chat with Josh Hamilton

Mike (Connecticut): Josh, who is the toughest pitcher you’ve faced in your career?

SportsNation Josh Hamilton: (1:54 PM ET ) I hate to admit it, but Greg Maddux. Throws 85, and it looks like it’s coming right down the middle, and you swing, and your bat explodes. You say to yourself, how could that have happened. you’ll look at video, and when the ball is halfway there, and you’ve started your swing, the ball moves about two feet.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 4, 2008 1:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

FWIW...

… Hamilton is 0-for-3 vs. Maddux in his career (no strikeouts).

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 4, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just spent 15 minutes...

…reading quotes from Greg. What a class act that guy is, I almost feel like crying.

He is my all-time favorite Cub. I am just happy I got to live through 2 tours of duty with Maddux as a Cub. I aspire to meet the man someday and have a cup of coffee with him.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Nov 4, 2008 1:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

sigh, it is an extremely sad day for baseball

A living legend is no longer playing. I am fortunate to have seen him pitch twice (once as a Cub in 05, and once as a Padre in 07).

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Nov 4, 2008 2:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This was his last game as a Cub...

…I remember it pretty well. Standing-O as he walked off the mound, he also hit safely on a hit-and-run I believe in the 6th. I wish I had a better pic, the one from the front shows him walking off the mound and his face is wrinkled up in a twisted cocktail of disappointment and honor.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Nov 4, 2008 2:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

what a day that was!

i was there, too. one of my cherished spectator sports experiences.

I used to be "Jones," but I got swooped on the redesign.

by Mr Snrub on Nov 4, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was there but not that happy

I knew what it meant when the cap came off and I was very depressed. Ironically a friend took a picture of me during the game
watching him pitch and I look almost high on drugs I am so happy.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 4, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I could have gone.

But my friend decided to invite someone else, who happens to be a White Sox fan.

I yell at him often about it.

CUBS WIN! CUE THE ORCHESTRA!

by Keith on Nov 4, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Loved watching

him throw that two seamer.

I'm finally moving on...

by slocs55 on Nov 4, 2008 3:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

the smartest, cagiest baseball player I've ever seen

If there were any pitchers with more smarts and instincts about how to play and pitch the game the way it should be, I don’t know of them ..

Maddog .. whattaguy .. A moment of silence needs to be held at 3:55 pm on Opening Day at Wrigley in 2009 if he doesn’t come back.

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Nov 4, 2008 3:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

3:55.

Clever. I like it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 4, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maddux probably understands more about pitching than

anyone on earth. He never had great stuff, be he understands what pitch to throw in any situation. The will probably never be anyone who got more out of less and at the top of his game, there was none better. He just knows how to get batters out. He understands that hitting is about timing and good pitching upsets timing.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 4, 2008 3:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Oh trust me he had great stuff

He is extremely smart but he is also a great physical pitcher, just because he topped out in low 90s in his prime does not mean he
did not have great stuff. Guy had back to back seasons of an ERA under 1.65 and you do not do that on smarts alone.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 4, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I beg to differ. As a young pitcher for the Cubs, Maddux had

a good live arm, but struggled with control. He never had great dominating no-hit stuff. That’s not a knock on him. To the contrary, it’s a compliment. Amazingly he pitched to contact. He will always be considered on of the great control pitchers of all times. Here’s a crazy stat for you. In the 10 year period from 1992 to 2001 Maddux averaged 18 wins per season while walking an average of 37 batters per season. During that same period he, averaged 7 complete games per season and his WH/IP averaged 1.01. This has to go down as one of the most dominating 10-year pitching periods in modern baseball history.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 5, 2008 9:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Um exactly what are we differing on ?

You think someone can be the most dominating pitcher of the modern era without having “great stuff”. Just because he did not
throw 100 miles and hour does not mean his “stuff " was not great. He may never have had an official no hitter but he sure did not give up a lot of hits. The movement on his "stuff’ was INSANE and that is every bit as "great” as throwing stuff at 100mph.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 5, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we are differing on anything. My point was that Maddux epitomized the

term “pitcher”. He has never been a thrower. Early on he was able to use command and movement unlike any other pitcher I have seen. He perfected throwing inside to LH batters and making the pitch start off the plate and move over the inside corner. During the 10-year period I mentioned, he dominated LH batters like no other RH pitcher in the game. My only point was that a pitcher doesn’t have to have over-powering stuff to overpower batters. Maddux proved that pitching was indeed a cerebral affair and his brain would more often win out over batter’s braun.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 5, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My Turn

I will say this without any bias—-maddux is the greatest player to ever grace the game in my eyes.

My next statement is this—fire rothschild and hire the maddog as our pitching coach!

I BELIEVE!!!! GO CUBBIES!!!!!!!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Nov 4, 2008 5:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It might have been a moment of sentiment...

…but his last press conference in Chicago he said something to the tune of wanting to be back with the Cubs organization in the future in a leadership capacity of some sort.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Nov 4, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am afraid not

THAT I would have remembered. He said a lot of nice things about the Cubs and especially Cub fans , I think he was asked then
or later about coming back in some capacity and he gave a polite but nothing specific Maddux like response. I am pretty sure if he does become say a special assistant , roving instructor or whatever it would be for a West Coast team.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Nov 4, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...mabe I made that up...

…I tried to find his departing press conference, but had no luck. I thought he exited with words similar to that, but perhaps I was dreaming.

Regardless, I have no doubt he will be a coach in the not-too-distant-future. And who knows? Coaching careers can take you all over the country.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Nov 4, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maddux=Master

I could watch him pitch all day. Always a pitcher, never a thrower. He is the master pitcher of our generation.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Nov 4, 2008 7:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

*sigh*

good for him, he deserves it. but I am sad.

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Nov 4, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Five years from now, let’s get that #31 flag raised over Wrigley.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 5, 2008 4:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My First MLB

This is the boxscore of the first MLB game I ever got to go too. I was nearly 12, and I thought it was sooooo cool. Greg Maddux was the Cubs starter. I heard a rare event happened at this game. Ozzie Smith hit a homer (yeah, that’s pretty rare too) batting left-handed. A guy I was with told me that the only other time he did that was in the ’85 World Series. It was the shot everyone remembers… still, I remember this homer more because it was the first home run I ever saw at a MLB game. Also, Maddux got the win….

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN198806120.shtml

Not too bad. Your first MLB game and you get to see one of the greatest pitchers ever. I’m proud of that.

by TheHawkRules on Nov 5, 2008 2:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If he doesn't want to coach

If he is not interested in being a full time coach I want his brain somehow involved in the Cubs organization. Maybe as a PT consultant? Maybe even as an assignment pitching coach (being called in to work with prospects or such which I believe is how Davis started with the org.)

He might do like Dunston and Dawson. Keeping their feet in the game but not FT until the kids are all out of high school.

Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 6, 2008 3:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Video

I should post it on Youtube a tribute I made to Maddux to the song “Like A Rock” on the occasion of his 300th win.

Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 6, 2008 3:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Please do!

"Just win tonight" - derv

by derv on Nov 6, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My computer

I dont have the equipment so I may give it to my brother to put up.

Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 6, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What "equipment" do you need?

If it’s a video file, you just upload it to YouTube.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I made it

I made it on VHS tape. I have to figure a way around it. Maybe I can give someone the idea and describe it and they can make it too. I have some great Cub video ideas but my computer is so old if it was a person it would have gray hair.

Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Nov 6, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maddux was to pitching.....

is what Tony Gwynn was to hitting. They were the best “students of the game” that I’ve ever seen. They spent countless more hours than the average player honing their craft. Gwynn would tirelessly watch video of his hitting and pick Ted Williams brain every chance he could. Maddux would watch the oppositions batting practice daily to determine where their weakness was.

I was at the game in August of 2004 when Maddux was honored for reaching 300 wins. As usual, he was very humble with his accomplishment. Maddux always put the team ahead of any personal accolades.

by montecarlo on Nov 7, 2008 5:09 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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