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Hendry should go after Milton Bradley

I don't think this has been discussed before (at any length, anyway), but I think Milton Bradley could really be the best way to solve the Cubs' lack of left-handed hitting.

I had hoped that the Cubs could trade Lee and sign Adam Dunn to play first base. Bruce Miles' reporting makes that sound unlikely. I'm pretty tired of Lee, but I guess he's not going anywhere.

As I see it, Bradley fits the Cubs very well. He's a switch-hitter who can place center or right. That might be very important given our right-handed-heavy lineup and Fukudome's struggles.

Bradley's two biggest drawbacks: injury history and behavior.

The Cubs are deep enough to absorb losing Bradley for a month, assuming it happens during the regular season AND it doesn't happen when one of the other big bats is also hurt. I, for one, am willing to take that risk, depending on the money needed to sign Bradley. And, actually, his injury history might make Bradley a slightly cheaper option.

As for his attitude, I'm willing to risk that, too. The Cubs have enough headliners where Bradley could (conceivably) slip under the radar. That's (essentially) what happened in Texas with Josh Hamilton's big year in '08. That's assuming Bradley doesn't have a Jacque Jones kind of start.

If memory serves, the Cubs considered Bradley a couple times during the Baker years. I think they should do so again.

 

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Me likes Milton Bradley a lot

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by fischisgod on Nov 4, 2008 3:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know what hotel the GM meetings are being held at by chance? I just moved not too far from Dana Point and would like to see if I can spot Jim Hendry

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by ryanbrixenivy on Nov 4, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

St. Regis Monarch Beach Resort

according to the Denver Post.

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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 4, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know exactly where that is, thanks! I will see if I can get some pics to post on here

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by ryanbrixenivy on Nov 4, 2008 10:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

See if you can get to talk to him, too.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 5, 2008 8:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that the resort that hosted

the infamous AIG retreat after the bail-out?

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Nov 5, 2008 9:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just to warn you....

…I’m fairly certain Bradley’s name has come up a number of times in a number of fanposts, and the votes have been mostly nays. But I have a funny feeling that’ll be abundantly clear momentarily.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 4, 2008 3:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

There have been 37 fanposts

including yours, discussing Milton Bradley.

This is the kind of player that the Cubs often go after, one who’s best years are behind him, that seldom work out.

by ScottT on Nov 4, 2008 3:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

There have really been that many fanposts?

I mean, I’ve seen his name mentioned, but not as the topic of a thread. My bad, if I’m wrong …

by elgato on Nov 4, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I got

when I used the search function.

by ScottT on Nov 4, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and he's 30-31 ...

Not really past his prime. Much more in his prime than Bobby Abreu.

by elgato on Nov 4, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In his actual prime

he was one fragile ballplayer. My guess is that Abreu’s body may be in better condition, regardless of age.

by Cubinator on Nov 4, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So, how about trying to get a player whose best years are still ahead

Jason Kubel?

Kubel has injury concerns, but not as many as Bradley. He didn’t hit as well as Bradley last year, but Kubel was awfully good the last four months of the season.

Kubel is still inexpensive and the Twins may not want much given their OF/DH backlog. If you keep Kubel, Pie, and Dome, you can mix and match them to give them rest and opportunity to win full-time work.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 4, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What's this fascination with Jason Kubel

Jason Kubel had major reconstructive knee surgery on BOTH knees and is viewed as somebody who should strictly DH. We need somebody who can play a decent right field. And has more track record or upside than Jason Kubel. Plus you haven’t answered the question why Minnesota would be so willing to get rid of his cheap stick.

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by MDBNIU on Nov 4, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm contrasting Kubel to Bradley; both spent a lot of time at DH in '08.

I don’t know where Kubel’s knee health is now or if he’s capable of playing the field 2/3 of the time throughout an entire season. Do you KNOW he can’t? The Twins blog I cited earlier seemed to think he could play regularly.

As for why the Twins would be willing to trade him – check their depth chart. They’ve got Delmon, Gomez, Span, and Cuddyer for OF/DH. Span, Mauer, and Morneau are all lefties, so they don’t have as pressing a need there as we do.

The Twins also have the greatest need at middle IF and 3B, where we have tradeable inventory.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 4, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

best years are behind him?

i dont see how you come to that conclusion at all.

bring up felix.

by kylejo on Nov 5, 2008 7:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

An emphatic no

Milton Bradley is a violent prone cancer who has significantly worn out his welcome with the Expos, Indians, Dodgers and Padres. If he’s not in physical confrontation with his manager (Felipe Alou, Charlie Manuel) then he is physically challenging the fans (Cleveland, Los Angeles), the umpires (San Diego) or members of the broadcast booth (Texas).

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by MDBNIU on Nov 4, 2008 3:32 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Bradley's a DH at this stage of his career.

The NL doesn’t have a DH.

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by Al on Nov 4, 2008 3:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hendry is going to surprise us with a left-handed bat....

A name that I bet none of us can think of and/or thought was reasonably available. A name that probably elicits a “meh” type response. But a name also that serves as good complementary mate to our list of outfield pieces.

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by MDBNIU on Nov 4, 2008 3:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why don't you throw out a name?

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 4, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I will if he won't.

In fact, I already have. Luke Scott.

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by Al on Nov 4, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Luke Scott makes sense

Presumably he can be had reasonably and is somebody who could platoon with Mark DeRosa in right field, with Kosuke and Reed Johnson platooning in center field.

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 4, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You said in an earlier post that you considered DeRo to be the team's MVP.

Why are you now reducing his role to that of “platoon OF”?

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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 4, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyday player splitting time at 2nd base and right field

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by MDBNIU on Nov 4, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

With whom would he platoon at 2B?

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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 4, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd guess Fontenot.

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by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why would you shuffle DeRo back and forth between 2B and RF

to create a platoon for Luke Scott and Mike Fontenot, both of whom bat left-handed?

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I'll let BlueMike defend his idea.

I was just guessing at who DeRo’s platoon partner would be.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt if it would be Ronny Cedeño,

so, unless Hendry comes up with Grud, Loretta, or something there really isn’t any need for DeRo to get dizzy. It would be easier finding another RHB OF for a platoon.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Because I dont' have a name...

But I’ll bet the ranch it isn’t Adam Dunn, Raul Ibanez, Milton Bradley, Bobby Abreu or Jeremy Hermida who winds up in a Cub uniform. Add your buddy Jason Kubel to the list too because he can’t play the field.

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 4, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

Jason Kubel CAN play in the field. I don’t know about RF, as he normally plays left, but going to games up here I groaned a hell of a lot less when he was out there than Delmon.

by jbertram on Nov 4, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not a poor suggestion.

Hendry has been connected to Bradley in rumors before. I’m sympathetic to people who don’t want guys with checkered pasts to be Cubs. That’s a legitimate P.O.V. I’m also sympathetic to the view that it doesn’t matter what a guy does off the field (like, say, take part in cock fighting), just get the best talent on the field.

You don’t need to retract.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 4, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was back-pedaling ...

because I didn’t really check to see what Bradley could do defensively. If he’s a LF/DH type these days, then he clearly doesn’t fit into the Cubs plans. I could care less about Bradley’s checkered past, and I doubt it would really hurt the Cubs.

As somebody posted earlier today (or recently), the big contracts to Lee and Soriano effectively have hand-cuffed Hendry. Not because of the money, but because it’s hard to find a left-handed power hitter who can play center, right, shortstop or second. The Cubs can’t, or don’t need to, move the players at the other positions (Sori, Ramirez, Lee, Soto), and they all hit right-handed. So, Bradley, a switch-hitter who at least HAD the ability to play all three outfield spots seemed to make sense — especially given the wildcard that is Kosuke Fukudome.

But if Bradley can’t play the positions, then it’s a poor suggestion.

by elgato on Nov 4, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the real question -

what can Bradley play and what can’t he. I think if Hendry signs Bradley, he will expect Milton can play RF at least 5/7 games throughout the season.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 4, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't backpedal- i've suggested Milton's name in threads, just not a fanpost

While acknowledging his shortcomings, which are significant, I’ll be happy if Bradley is acquired. Precisely because of his shortcomings, he may be acquirable at a 2 year deal that is within the cubs budget. There is no uncertainty about his ability to produce, both OBP and power. He’s really one of the few ligitimate, middle of the order LH certainties that the Cubs can actually afford. Now, that doesn’t mean I’m opposed to a Hermida or a Kubel necessarily, considering the Cubs likely can acquire them. It’s just that there’s a level of uncertainty about their production.

by philadelphiacub on Nov 4, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley still has a RF arm.

It’s just that he has 10 cent knees and 25 cent hamstrings.

Oh…

And he’s demanding a three-year contract.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 4, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No such thing as poor suggestion

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 4, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can I suggest you pound sand then?

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Now cut that out DCD, today is unity day.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 5, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WHOA!

Did you just talk politics? I will…

Say it is a good day in this country today!

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Nov 5, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, OK...just a suggestion.

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by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Its not a bad idea

Im pretty sure some have said he could play RF fairly well if he was sent out there, he just gets hurt a lot. I will put myself at the head of the sign Milton Bradley club.

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by nji232 on Nov 4, 2008 11:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

my take on bradley

i think he could play rf well enough. his offense is amazing. I dont care for his attitude one eyeota but even with that being said I think players like lee could keep him in check.

heres my main problem with bradley—-his injury risk. I think that alone is the reason to stay far far away from him.

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by cubsluver22 on Nov 4, 2008 4:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

hmm.... the Rays just declined their option on Cliff Floyd for next year

I’m not sayin…. I’m just sayin…

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by ballhawk on Nov 4, 2008 5:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think he has less range than you do.

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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 4, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the compliment...

i think… ;-)

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by ballhawk on Nov 4, 2008 11:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gee. I. Wonder. Why

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Nov 4, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Please don't say...

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Nov 5, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Orlando Hudson to play CF?

The yanks are after him with the thought of converting him to CF…..interesting

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 4, 2008 8:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Just a guess...

There are mixed opinions of Canó in the Yankees’ camp; some (possibly including Girardi) weren’t happy that he reported to ST overweight and non-chalant. Some want to get rid of him; others think he has learned his lesson and will have a great 2009. But…

The Yanks don’t have a ready replacement for Canó. They don’t want to advertise his availability as long as they don’t. Supposedly, they were going to use him to get a SP if they whiffed on CC, Demp, and Lowe. If they sign Hudson “as a CF” (assuming that he would go along with the charade), they could then shop Canó for a #2 or #3 SP.

Would Ted Lilly fit their criteria? Canó is a LHB with power, though his glove has holes in it. Lilly is a proven pitcher (even in pinstripes) who doesn’t have the injury history of Ben Sheets, but whose contract will pay him less than they would have to pay Sheets.

I think the Yanks would be up to something like that with the Cubs or some other team with SPs; they aren’t serious about playing Hudson in CF.

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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 4, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Yankees get Orlando Hudson then they flip Robinson Cano

Joe Girardi hates Cano. Yet Cano possesses a lot of value if traded.

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by MDBNIU on Nov 4, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Would you take him on the Cubs?

He is a LHB.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 4, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not really interested in Cano.

If he fell into our laps, I’d take him, but for the price we’d likely have to pay, there are other trades I’d make.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 4, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why is everyone so quick to trade Lilly

Hes been amazing for the Cubs and has silenced anyone who raised their eyebrows over that deal….hes just too important to the pitching staff, look what he did in 07 after Cubs losses, what was he 8-1?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 4, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's better to trade a player a year too early than a year too late.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 4, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If you trade Lilly

you get back quality – maybe the pieces that net you Peavy, maybe a SS like Yunel Escobar, maybe a lead-off man. And the likelihood is that you just traded Lilly at his peak value.

If you don’t trade Lilly, and then he returns to his pre-Cub career norm, then all you’re left with is the realization that you got his best years in 2007-08 and there aren’t any more left.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 4, 2008 11:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ok, two can play the "if maybe" game

if you trade Lilly, you get back what you think is quality, but maybe it ends up being injury-prone, or it flops in spring training, or it likes to drive fast and drink a little.

if you don’t trade Lilly, and he continues to be a solid streak-stopping #3 starter, then you start to realize there’s a reason they call him Bulldog.

wow – this is fun…

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by ballhawk on Nov 5, 2008 9:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

So the question is – what’s most likely. I look at Lilly’s pre-Cub career and his age and I say, my scenario is more likely in general.

Sure, Hendry could trade Lilly for a flop. Who would have expected Nick Swisher to flop last year? Remember the utter flop that was Brad Wilkerson after TX got him for Soriano?

But one thing won’t change – Lilly’s 12 M price tag. If we trade him for Yunel Escobar, we get a much cheaper potential flop.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if your scenario is more likely in general

then why would a team trade for a $12M pitcher? And if we’re talking Atlanta in specific, why would they trade a star-in-the-making at a critical position for someone who’s on the decline? Sure they have what appears to be an excess of young talent, but why move that for someone whose best years are apparently behind him?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 5, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Compare Lilly and Burnett; they're fairly close, right?

They could give you a top 40 starting pitcher or they could be injured. Lilly’s less likely than Burnett to be injured and he will cost less per year. Most importantly, though, with Lilly, you are only on the hook for 2 years. With Burnett, it will be twice that, at least.

The two-year commitment to Lilly at below-market cost is extremely valuable.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One important distinction...

…Lilly is a lefty, which is valued higher by most organizations.

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by MPH73 on Nov 5, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

but earlier you essentially said Lilly's best years are behind him

now all of a sudden he’s extremely valuable? Why wouldn’t we keep him then if he’s so valuable? Oh wait – it’s because his best years are behind him….

are you sure you don’t work for the government?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 5, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Playing the baseball odds is not = to government double-speak.

I said Lilly’s best years are LIKELY behind him.

At the same time, the odds of Lilly being productive per year and per dollar of team investment are much higher than the odds of Burnett being productive per year and dollar of team investment.

Let’s work with really sketchy numbers here, just for the sake of argument.

Let’s say Ted Lilly is 40% likely to perform in 2009 as he did in 2008. And A.J. Burnet is 25% likely to perform in 2009 at the same level as Ted Lilly. To get Lilly, the Braves (assuming they are in the market) only have to pay 12 M over 2 years and give a SS they aren’t planning to start in 2009 anyway (but nevertheless, he is a valuable trade chip). To get Burnett, they have to give 14-16 M over 4-5 years.

The downside of Lilly is much, much lower than the downside of Burnett and the upside is relatively similar. So, teams might well be willing to pay through trade to avoid the higher downside. Does that make sense?

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nope - you were better off without the numbers

not sure how/why Burnett entered the picture. Cubs aren’t interested in him are they? And haven’t heard that the Braves are either. But stepping back from specific teams for a second… yes, if I had to choose between those two players, I would most likely rather go with Lilly than Burnett, assuming I’m a GM operating within some semblance of fiscal sanity and have a reasonably stocked farm system and/or young talent.

But that’s not where this string started. You seemed to be in favor of trading Lilly now because you thought it LIKELY his best years were behind him but evidently having the expectation that other teams don’t share your thinking, so you’re going to get quality in return. And then you presume that if you don’t trade him, he’s going to return to his pre-Cub career norm.

it’s not double-speak – it’s predictive hindsight

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 5, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I try to presume very little.

I’m trying to work with odds (despite my lack of training in higher math!).

Here’s how I see Lilly.

There’s a good chance he can be counted on for an ERA in the low to mid 4s averaging 175 IPs for two more years. That’s more valuable to teams looking for pitching depth than it is to the Cubs who have pitching depth.

There’s maybe a 10% chance that Lilly will put up a sub 4 ERA in 200 innings again at least once in the next two years. That’s valuable to everyone.

There is a chance that Lilly will have another injury-marred season in 2009. There’s that chance with every pitcher. Lilly is somewhat higher for that than the average pitcher, but lower than a guy like A.J. Burnett.

There is also a chance that age will dull Lilly’s effectiveness in 2009 and going forward.

There is also a chance that Lilly will just have an off-year that won’t be predictive for his 2010 performance.

If one of those last three scenarios happen, Lilly’s trade value will be much lower next fall than it is now. Of course, the odds of the second scenario happening are good enough that Lilly is worth keeping if the trade return is not high enough. The reason the trade return could be high enough is because of the relatively high odds that Lilly will do scenario one. Scenario one, however, is much more valuable to a team like the Braves than it is to the Cubs.

Finally, the biggest reason to trade Lilly is because the Cubs’ greatest perceived needs aren’t going to be found on the FA market unless we get Furcal to leave LA.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes....

…the guys you have will bring you others that give you a better chance for a championship.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 5, 2008 8:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and sometimes not

that’s all I’m saying. I don’t think you can let this kind of thinking drive your performance strategy. Perhaps once in a while you can take a calculated risk that this is the way to go, but not as a general rule. It just sounds like a recipe on how to consistently be pretty good, but never really have all the pieces you need for that surge to a championship.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 5, 2008 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bottom line...

…you never stop thinking about how you can improve your club. Whether it be trades, FA signings, bringing guys up from the minors etc.

Nothing should be ruled out and good GM’s are always figuring ways to improve the club. In the past, Hendry has chosen to not trade guys are their peak (or close to it) value. All I’m saying is sometimes you have to do that, if you want to get to get to a championship.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 5, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How true...

…but has never been Hendry’s strong suit.

Maybe he turns over a new leaf starting this year.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 5, 2008 8:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree with that statement anymore.

In Branch Rickey’s day, the only two ways to get new talent were to develop it in your farm system and to trade for it. If a team’s farm system were weak, trading an established player for a younger player or two was the only way to stay competitive.

Free agency has significantly changed the equation. There is now nothing wrong with holding onto a player for his entire useful life, if you can afford his contract, and if you have a chance to win. When he is done, he can be replaced via the farm system, trades, or free agency.

If Ted Lilly has more value to the Cubs for his 15 wins and 200 IP than he would as trade bait, the Cubs should keep him unless they can’t afford him. If he is more valuable as the bait to lure (for example) Nick Markakis, and the Cubs have enough other SPs, then he should be traded. (Note: The O’s would never do that deal.)

The new mantra should be: “It is better to pass on a player than to gain an albatross contract.”

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So....

…as a GM, you would completely discount the option of trading one of your good players for another piece that better matches a team’s needs?

If baseball has taught us anything, it has shown that it is more important to have the right “mix” of talent, as opposed to the “most” talent.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 5, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Problem with your theory is Jim Hendry

I happen to agree with you. Trouble is Jim Hendry isn’t the sharpest GM in the world and seems more inclined to be “talent accumulator” with relative less weight put on how the pieces fit together and foreign concept like “chemistry.” Sometimes he surprises me (e.g., Mark DeRosa, Reed Johnson, Ted Lilly) but most other times it’s the theory of offering fat check and not doing enough homework (e.g., Alfonso Soriano).

Hendry could never be a GM of a team with payroll under $70 million. He’d lock up and be non-functioning.

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The devil is in the details.

This was the policy under which John Schuerholtz operated in the 1990s. Of course, he had more help from his farm system, but he would not sign players to an albatross multi-year contract just to have them for the first season.

Jim Hendry has been hamstrung by a weak farm system (some of which is his fault), so he has used FA as his primary means of accumulating talent rather than as a supplementary means.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hendry has played a hand in the Cub farm system since 1996

So therefore the perpetual weak farm system is a lot of his fault.

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This has always struck me as a silly line of attack.

Jim Hendry doesn’t work for a small market team and no major market team should work as if they are a small market team. Rather than forcing us to undergo a 4 year rebuiling plan after 2006, Jim Hendry spent big. Sure; a small-market team couldn’t do that. But we’re not a small market team! “Spendry” led us to a 97-win team two years after disaster, instead of a 90-win team 6 years later. And this is something to criticize him about?

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by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That is exactly what I said...

I said that you should not trade a player just because you think it is “a year too soon” and you don’t want to be caught waiting until “a year too late”.

I said that your decision to keep or trade a player (assuming that your team is in contention, not rebuilding) should be based on whether he is more valuable to you for his own contribution or as trade bait to bring you something that you need more.

IOW, Ted Lilly is valuable for his 200 IP and 15 Ws. However, if (in a fantasy world) the O’s would trade Nick Markakis for Ted Lilly, I would make that trade because I desperately need a LHB with power, and Jason Marquis can give me all of the innings and most of the wins that Lilly can.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone keeps assuming Lilly will be good in 2009 for what he was in 2007-2008.

The odds are he will not be.

This means Lilly’s current trade value is almost certainly higher than his actual 2009 value.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Count me as major Ted Lilly fan

Lilly is one of the smartest players on this club and knows how to pitch. I’ll take my chances on him being productive for at least the next 2 years on his contract.

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ted Lilly is a true professional. He has the ability to stay competitive

even though he knows he doesn’t have his best stuff. Many people take that for granted but that will be the difference between a 10 game winner and a 15 game winner.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 5, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not that I dislike Ted Lilly; liking him should have nothing to do with it.

I liked Les Walrond, but that didn’t mean I needed to make a roster spot for him.

If Ted Lilly can bring us a real SS, there’s only one thing to say: Thanks, Ted, for the memories and best of luck.

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by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If moving Lilly is best for the team, then so be it. He is just a good pitcher to

have on your staff because he knows how to pitch and he stays healthy.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 5, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ted Lilly does not stay healthy.

He has managed to stay healthy the past two years. That is VERY ODD compared to the rest of his career.

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by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was referring to his time with the Cubs. If you don't like him,

you don’t like him, I’m not saying that the Cubs absolutely have to keep him. Like I said, he knows how to pitch and he has been healthy. Nothing more.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 5, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I do like Lilly.

I’m just not seeing how people expect him to stay healthy three years in a row when he’s only stayed healthy two years in a row one time in his career.

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by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ted Lilly has started at least 25 games every year since 2003,

and in only one of those seasons did he start fewer than 32 games. In that time frame, he has pitched at least 178 innings every year but one.

That doesn’t seem like a particularly injury-prone pitcher to me.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And those were his prime years.

But, even then, you’re cherry picking to leave off his two shortened seasons prior. Lilly will be 33 and coming off of two high-workload seasons in a row.

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by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure that I am cherry-picking.

In 2001 with the Yankees, his first “full” season, he made 21 starts, which is not bad for a #5 starter.

In 2002, he made 16 starts, which may have been due to injury. I don’t know if there is any site which lists all of a player’s DL stints. it also could have been that he didn’t make the Yankees’ rotation, and didn’t pitch regularly until he was traded to the A’s.

I guess I just don’t see Ben Sheets, Jr. when I look at his stats. Dr. Andrews would put his money on a guy like T.R. Veterans who have built up arm strength are more durable than young pitchers who didn’t throw enough innings in college and the minors to handle a ML workload.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's not Sheets Jr.

And you may be helping to correct overstatement on my part. But I’m responding to unrealistic expectations on the other side. He’s not likely to pitch 200 innings again, since he never did that until he was a Cub. Part of that isn’t injury. Part of that is that even when he was healthy he threw too many pitches. He improved with that on the Cubs, but as age and innings mount, it will be harder and harder to maintain that improvement. This problem could be exaggerated even more if the Cubs’ OF in 2009 is Soriano-Dome-Ibanez/Abreu.

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by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps it is the NL effect

T.R. pitched 2003-2006 in the AL, where he had to face an extra hitter. That could explain your theory about higher pitch counts and fewer innings.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe the #s also show that Lilly threw less strikes

prior to coming to the Cubs.

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by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i see

sean marshall doing just as well as ted lilly. i am a big lilly fan, his k/bb is a wonderful thing, but his fly ball tendancies really are not a good fit for wrigley, and I would be willing to be sean marshall could do a very good ted lilly impression while at a fraction of the cost.

bring up felix.

by kylejo on Nov 5, 2008 7:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Three Reasons Why Milton Bradley Is A Poor Choice For A Cubs OF Position.

Any questions?

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Nov 4, 2008 9:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I have one

whats up with the wierd looking trainer in the top pic. His right leg is off the ground, how did that happen?

Levitation maybe?

by cubsfaninatl on Nov 4, 2008 9:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

naw, Bradley just kneed him in the groin...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 4, 2008 11:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, an on-topic, multifaceted pictorial response.

Well done.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Jim Edmonds Fan Club Baloney Detection Department aims to please

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Nov 5, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Trib reports Swisher is being aggressively shopped

Linky

Kenny wants speed in return. Maybe there is something to that Pie-Swisher trade idea that Damen Jackson floated here. Or, how about a modernization of the Podsednik-Lee trade – we give them Theriot to play 2B and they give us Swisher. In the article van Dyck suggests the Sox are looking for a 2B.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 4, 2008 11:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

pie for swisher

makes me want to puke.

theriot for swisher sounds like music to my ears.

bring up felix.

by kylejo on Nov 5, 2008 7:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

"I love when they play that Go Cubs Win song."

by BMoney79 on Nov 5, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You agree that it makes him want to puke?

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly it

Yes

"I love when they play that Go Cubs Win song."

by BMoney79 on Nov 5, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

At the risk of a little shameless self-promotion, I analyzed it a bit further, and included some thoughts in a series that I’ve been working on.

My take on it is here

by Damen Jackson on Nov 5, 2008 8:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Solid analysis

which also sparked a different thought for me – what if the Cubs and Sox could work some kind of Swisher-Fukudome trade. Both players disappointed last year and we know the Sox were in on Dome – he was their first choice ahead of Swisher (or second choice after Hunter). I don’t think that trade gets made straight up, but if the Sox believe in Dome, there could be something to work with.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 8:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Never happen...

It goes against the psychology of Kenny Williams, which was a factor in considering this scenario. And 42 million is just too damn much to take a chance on in general.

by Damen Jackson on Nov 5, 2008 8:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is simple...

…I don’t think you will get anyone to take on the contract after his 2nd half last year and it would be impossible for Hendry to sell eating a big chunk of it to move him.

Very few teams go into a season with an absolute at every position, and that will be the case in 09 with Fukudome. He can either have a strong start and earn everyday playing time, or be relegated to platoon/late inning defensive replacement.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 5, 2008 8:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind going into '09 with Dome.

I’m bullish on Dome. I think he’s more likely to succeed than not. That’s, in fact, probably why I think there might be a glimmer of trade possibility when there probably isn’t.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am bullish on Dome...

…as well, and I think his work ethic will pay off in the offseason adjustments he needs to make.

In regards to a trade possibility, I just don’t see another GM taking that kind of risk without the Cubs eating about half Dome’s salary.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 5, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Some have suggested...

…that part of Dome’s problem this past year was he didn’t feel comfortable with Lou’s managing style. I couldn’t imagine him feeling any more comfortable serving under a loose cannon like Ozzie.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The best thing that could happen to Dome would be a trade to the Dodgers.

Joe Torre is laid-back and supportive, and he has experience with Japanese players.

Of course, that trade won’t happen unless we take Juan Pierre. I’d rather take a chance on Dome.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. Torre would be ideal for Dome.

And I wouldn’t want Pierre back either.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Explain to me the detrimental impact of playing for Lou Piniella is...

Because I keep reading these references that a player like Kosuke or a Felix Pie can’t be successful under a “big bad Lou Piniella” type manager. What does that mean? Lou Piniella very much runs a meritocracy. You produce, then you play. And if memory serves he was extraordinarily patient with Kosuke despite the fact that he ceased hitting after June. And please don’t give me that “instant gratification” excuse.

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh...

…you’re really in love with this word “meritocracy” aren’t you? Don’t all managers run meritocracies? I mean, is there any manager who willfully keeps running any player out on the field who’s not producing? You act like this is some trade secret of Lou’s.

I was merely referring to speculation I’ve read that Dome didn’t respond well to Lou’s “tough” style of coaching and that Kosuke may have been further frustrated by Lou’s public statements about him late in the season. I also recently read that Hendry has fired Dome’s translator, so it’s possible there were some third-party personality conflicts and/or translation issues that may have exacerbated Dome’s problems.

Bottom line: I wasn’t necessarily criticizing Lou, so you can call your dogs off. I was simply suggesting that there may have been personality conflicts involved and that Ozzie Guillen would hardly be any easier to work for.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kosuke is the one held accountable

He’s paid $48 million to come here and produce. He didn’t do that. And if indeed there were “communication issues” then that’s Kosuke’s problem to resolve. Learn workable enough English. With $48 million in your pocket you ought to be able to hire a great English coach.

In my opinion what happened to Kosuke is that he had ZERO RESPONSE to the adjustment major league pitchers made to his “running up in the batter box” style of hitting that worked so well for him in the Japanese league. Kosuke was exposed, then exploited. Lou and Gerald Perry can’t do much for him short of telling him to ashcan his entire hitting approach. Which of course isn’t a solution because it is that hitting approach that defined him and enabled him to achieve success in Japan.

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Lou and Gerald Perry can’t do much for him short of telling him to ashcan his entire hitting approach."

This about says it all. There seem to be a disproportionate number of players on the Cubs, for whom, Lou can’t do anything at all despite their success under previous managers and in the case of Scott Eyre, their success under other managers in the same year.

Either this is Hendry’s fault for collecting all these losers, or Lou’s management style doesn’t work with everyone. Anyone else wish we had been privy to that 2007 team meeting where the players talked about their frustrations with Lou?

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

After how the Cubs...

…slept walked through 05 and 06, I would have been upset if “a certain” group of leftover players didn’t like someone taking them to task.

Lastly, from what I understand, Barrett was one of the ones who didn’t like the change from Dusty, and that should tell you something.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 5, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You endorse mediocrity if you don't like Lou

It’s amazing how you put it on Lou Piniella’s shoulders to turn shit into gold and to maximize by himself the playing ability of 25 roster members. Last time I checked the Cubs got high quality individual seasons out of the following…

Zambrano
Dempster
Lilly
Marquis (pitched the best he can)
Marmol
Wood
Spellcheck
Cotts (pitched the best he can)
Ramirez
DeRosa
Theriot
Fontenot
Lee (good year for a decline phase player)
Johnson
Edmonds (produced what was there left to produce)
Soriano (notwithstanding the nearly 2 months he missed and his pronounced cold spells)

But in your world Lou didn’t get the job done because an ancient injury plagued Scott Eyre wasn’t reliable, Felix Flippin Pie was banished to Triple A and Japanese sensation Kosuke Fukudome had NO RESPONSE to the adjustments major league pitchers made to his peculiar and highly exploitable hitting approach.

Yep, Lou is an idiot and doesn’t know real talent. The same Lou who was integral piece to the Yankee dynasty teams on the 70’s that won 2 World Series. The same Lou who has been a manager for almost 20 seasons and won a World Series with an overachieving 1990 Cincinnati ballclub. The same Lou who has been manager for a host of very good major league players who got their major league introduction with Sweet Lou as their manager.

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exaggerations don't get us anywhere in these discussions.

I said that Lou’s management style seems to cause some useful players, like Raul Ibanez, turn into worthless players. The Believers in Lou, say, “Those players are totally worthless; Lou had nothing to do with it.” Sometimes one of those players, like Scott Eyre, leaves Lou and immediately gets better. That makes those of us who don’t look at Lou fideistically wonder.

On the other hand, I’ve given plenty of credit to Lou for Mike Fontenot especially, and others.

No one says Lou is an idiot. What has been said is that Lou’s style may (note the word MAY) not work with every player.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Take away exagerration, repetition and insults...

…and BlueMike’s Batman-like utility belt gets pretty barren.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it was a mirage then all those Cub players who had very good to excellent years in 2008

But Lou is to be mocked in your pea-brain world because Felix Pie can’t hit major league pitching and Kosuke Fukudome could no longer hit a lick after July 1st. That and the ancient and injury plagued Scott Eyre went onto do wondrous things elsewhere. Because Lord knows a Scott Eyre clicking on all cylinders would have gotten us past the Dodgers in the first round of the playoffs.

Game-set-match. Again.

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Your win-loss record is about as impressive as your batting average. The only opponents you defeat are the strawmen you erect to shoot down. Stick to name calling. You’re better at it.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think...

…any managers style works with every player.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 5, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So what are you asking for??

So let me get this straight. Because maybe its me. Maybe I’m a little screwed up. The argument you make is Lou shall get no credit for the vast majority of Cub players having very good to excellent 2008 campaigns BUT is fully accountable for the failings of Felix Pie, Scott Eyre and Kosuke. The conversations were supposed to go something like this from Lou…

“Say Felix, I’m going to play you everyday in centerfield even though it is clear to me and Gerald Perry that you ain’t never goin’ to hit major league pitching with that horsebleep batting stance and hitting approach of yours. Screw sending you to Triple A to restructure your swing so you maintain hope of one day having a major league career. I’m goin’ to take a page out of the Corey Patterson Major League Baseball Indoctrination Manual and play you every bleepin’ day out in center. I don’t give a bleep if you can’t hit north of the Mendoza line or if we are in the playoff chase.”

“Say Kosuke, hate to tell you this but pitchers around the league have figured out how to pound you inside given your peculiar and exploitable ’run up in the batter box” hitting approach. Gerald Perry and me been thinkin’ that you can either figure it out on the fly or we can shut you down, sent you back to Japan and you can work on completely restructuring your batting approach and come back and join us in 2009."

“Say Scotty, you’ve been on the friggin IR for a lot of the past season and a half but apparently I was unaware that you are Goose Gossage in his prime from the left side of the mound according to some dullards on a bleedcubbieblue. So I’m going to screw conventional wisdom and run you out there even though the medical staff cautions against it and you have been pretty much horseshit everytime I have gone to you the last year and a half.”

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How many times do I need to give Lou credit before you credit me for doing so.

And let me see if I can get this straight. Lou bears no responsibility for all the players whose #s under him are lower than under every other manager they’ve played for. Over and over again – there are players that suddenly become worthless under Lou – Raul Ibanez, Carlos Guillen, Cesar Izturis, Michael Wuertz, Scott Eyre, not to mention several other former Cubs who I will refrain from naming so as to save them from repetition of your attacks on how worthless they are.

Really, that’s why this debate goes nowhere. You assume that Matt Murton and Michael Barrett and others like them are worthless.

So, maybe we can just agree on this. Lou can’t make worthless players good.

But Dusty (and several other managers) can.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL - "Learn workable enough English."

Like that’s some simple task not affected by a multitude of outside factors. I’m not trying to make excuses for Dome – clearly he should have done better. But your desperate need to defend Lou Piniella at all costs is, as always, highly amusing.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"I mean, is there any manager who willfully keeps running any player out on the field who’s not producing?"

Hm. Good question. Let’s see.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I will confess...

…that I thought of including the Dusty/Corey combo in my post. Although it seemed like Dusty tried to work around Corey at times but didn’t have many other better options. And that picture may be a tad unfair, as it seems to me the only thing Corey is./was good at was outfield defense. I really wonder whether any major league team will pick him up next year.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on what in the managerial style bugged him (if anything did bug him).

The loose cannon aspect may not bother Dome at all.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I say this is bunk...

…especially with the Japanese players who (IMO) are mentally tougher than most.

If a player has ability and a desire to succeed, they will find a way to do just that, regardless of who their manager is. When they step on the field, their competitive juices take over and they will perform.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 5, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What happened with Raul Ibanez under Lou in Seattle?

Or to take it away from anyone related to the Cubs, why have so many pitchers struggled under the Seattle coaching staff? Piniero, Meche, Weaver, and Silva are all recent examples of guys who had value elsewhere and were completely worthless in a pitching park at Seattle.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I don't think you can ever take...

…the human element out of any working relationship. And I’m not sure it’s fair to lump all Japanese players together – Dome may just be a more sensitive sort who needs a little more time adjust.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hm, I must admit...

…I’d hate to see Felix go without really knowing what he’s capable of, but you make a decent case for this trade.

"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 5, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

De Luca has a piece up

Relevant for this post is the Cubs’ ongoing interest in Ibanez, potentially to play RF.

More specifically, there is this quote:

Knocking the door down means getting some left-handed hitting in the lineup that other teams will respect, getting a legitimate leadoff hitter that will allow manager Lou Piniella to drop Alfonso Soriano to a better run-producing spot in the lineup and keeping the pitching staff as strong as it was last season.

What that says to me is – forget Luke Scott; forget DeRo or Theriot at leadoff. We are in the market for proven commodities. Luke Scott may well outhit Raul Ibanez in 2009, but Ibanez is Mr. RBI and Scott is just Scott. This reasoning also makes Milton Bradley very realistic. He’s a guy opposing teams will respect.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 11:26 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Raul Ibanez is lousy fit

Ibanez is in his late 30’s and was viewed several years ago as a guy who should only DH. So now the Cubs would plop him in the very difficult right field of Wrigley? And how does the addtion of Ibanez work with Lou Piniella’s stated objective to get younger and more athletic?

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree he's a lousy fit.

I also think Lou’s the driving charge for a Name Player. I’d rather see us buy low and be creative.

It is possible that Hendry is just talking to Ibanez in case he can unload one of our RH hitters with NTCs.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Nov 5, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you know...

Rick Ankiel may be available. From The Trib:

With Colby Rasmus expected to start in center, St. Louis may be willing to part with Rick Ankiel or Ryan Ludwick.

He hits left-handed, with some pop.

Though I can’t remember the last time the Cubs and Cardinals made a deal. And I really don’t want him on the Cubs.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Nov 5, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ankiel is not the worst idea in the world,

though I think he is overrated. It wouldn’t be impossible for the Cubs and Cards to do a deal, though it could get sticky. Perhaps a third team could be brought in to help out?

That said, at least Ibañez costs only money and a draft pick. Ankiel would require prospects that we don’t have or a currently productive player.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'd agree on the overrated part

but he’s relatively young and hits for power.

STL needs starting pitching, especially now that Carpenter had additional surgery. So maybe start there?

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Nov 5, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Marquis? :-)

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's whom I was thinking of

But I doubt that’d be enough to get a deal done.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Nov 5, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting thought but I can't see Cards dealing with Cubs

Rick Ankiel is a good ballplayer though.

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rick Ankiel or Colby Rasmus may be headed to Atlanta in exchange for Kelly Johnson...

Or so Ken Rosenthal intimates…

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't imagine the Birds giving up Rasmus, but Ankiel makes sense.

KJ is arb-eligible, and he hasn’t really taken “the next step”. The Braves need OF power and want to give 2B to Martín Prado.

The Birds need someone better than Aaron Miles and the ghost of Adam Kennedy at 2B and they have a glut of OFs.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Ankiel will be a free agent at the end of the 2009 season.

I wonder what kind of salary bump he is in line for? His MLB track record is rather unique and I wonder how you create comparables.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Nov 5, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Braves have plenty of money in 2009

and several COF prospects that are a year or two away. Ankiel almost slots pay-wise with KJ, so it wouldn’t be a big deal. If they like him after 2009, they try to re-sign him. If he leaves, they move on.

You are correct that the arbitrator will have fun determining his true value.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Since he's a Boras client,

I doubt he signs before he hits free agency.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Nov 5, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There have been rumblings in Cardinal Land

that Management is not too happy with Rasmus and that they no longer view him as untouchable. Evidently, his father is a stage dad and exhorts to much influence over his son.

"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban

by TheRiot Police on Nov 5, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the input.

I didn’t realize he was no longer a god to them.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That is what I picked up on STL Sports Talk Radio

towards the Trading Deadline/End of the Year. Evidently, they were not happy with how he rehabbed his knee, he was not happy he did not make the opening day roster, his dad was butting into medical decisions, etc, etc.

It could all be rumors of course…who really knows

"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban

by TheRiot Police on Nov 5, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Colby Rasmus' star has fallen...

McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!

by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As long as LaRussa runs that team

Ankiel is Cardinal. He feels responsible for what happened to him as a pitcher and continues to protect him as if he was his kid. There is no way that Ankiel is available especially to the Cubs. Furthermore, the guy had a sports hernia and played with it. I would prefer to see what he did post hernia surgery to see how the injury affected his swing. Duncan had something similar the previous year, tried to play through it and it pretty much ruined his swing.

"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban

by TheRiot Police on Nov 5, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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