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My General Manager Moves

Including the salary for the recent exercised 2009 club option for Rich Harden, the current committed salaries for Cubs players is approximately $124M with incentives of almost another $6M.

 

At the time of this writing (October 21, 2008), Jim Hendry has already been extended for 4 years.  He was interviewed by MLB’s Carrie Muskat in the following article.  The tone of this message makes it sound that Hendry would be content with finding a lefty bopper OF to compete with Fukudome and that Pie will be the starting CF.  In addition, in this article (written by Gordon Wittenmyer), Cubs chairman Crane Kenney mentions that he doesn’t anticipate any significant moves, but rather tweaking may be all that is needed.  A few weeks ago, it was reported that the payroll would bump up.  Now, this may be a lot of fluff to redirect the media, hype to increase the value for players that will be dealt, or some of it may be true.  We’ll see, as right now, the Cubs brass is in organizational meetings, and the General Managers meetings are right around the corner.

 

I am awaiting Jim Hendry’s phone call, to which I would recommend the following.

 

Assumption: Cubs Payroll will go up to, but not exceed, $150M.

 

The current status for movable parts is:

  1. Free agents:

·        RHP Ryan Dempster

·        OF Jim Edmonds

·        RHP Chad Fox

·        RHP Bob Howry

·        RHP Jon Lieber

·        1B Daryle Ward

·        RHP Kerry Wood

 

  1. Eligible for arbitration:

·        IF Ronny Cedeno

·        LHP Neal Cotts

·        RHP Chad Gaudin

·        OF Reed Johnson

·        RHP Michael Wuertz

 

  1. Club options:

·        RHP Rich Harden ($7 million; picked up Oct. 8)

·        C Henry Blanco, $3 million ($300,000 buyout)

 

  1. Player options: None
  2. Non-tender possibilities: None

 

 

My General Manager Moves:

  1. Cubs Free Agents:
    1. Sign Ryan Dempster to a 3-year, $33M deal with $900K incentives per year (award bonuses: $75,000 each for Gold Glove or All Star selection, $0.2M for LCS MVP, $0.3M for MVP, $0.3M for Cy Young ($0.2M for 2nd place in vote, $0.15M for 3rd, $0.1M for 4th or 5th),
    2. Sign Kerry Wood to a 2-year, $16M deal with $2M incentives per year (performance bonuses: $.35M for 40 games finished, $0.5M for 50 games, $0.6M for 60 games; award bonuses: $0.25M for WS MVP, $0.15M for LCS MVP, $75,000 for All Star, Gold Glove),
    3. Do not offer contracts to Jim Edmonds, Chad Fox, Bob Howry (offer arbitration), Jon Lieber, and Daryle Ward.
  2. Arbitration:
    1. Re-sign Ronny Cedeno to a 1-year, $425K deal.
    2. Re-sign Neal Cotts to a 1-year, $860K deal.
    3. Re-sign Chad Gaudin to a 1-year, $2M deal.
    4. Re-sign Reed Johnson to a 1-year, $3M deal.
    5. Re-sign Michael Wuertz to a 1-year, $920K deal.
  3. Club options:
    1. Decline option for Henry Blanco, paying $300K.  Re-sign Henry Blanco to a 2-year, $4M deal.

 

At this point, the combined salary is at $149.5M, with incentives of $8M.  This totals approximately $157.5M, or $7.5M over budget.

 

More moves are needed to shed the budget, and improve the team.  This will be achieved via free agent signing and trades.

 

  • Trade Jason Marquis to any team that will take him.  Get 1-2 prospects to save face, but this is a salary shedding move.  Most likely $2.5M will need to be covered, and approximately $7.375M is shed.
  • Sign Free Agent Adam Dunn to a 5 year, $80M with $5M sign-on bonus and $1M yearly incentives.  Ideally, I would like to sign Mark Teixeira – he would be the perfect fit.  Young (28), lefty, defensive first baseman who can hit for average and power.  The reality is that the years and dollars will likely be driven too high by the Yankees (and possibly the Red Sox).  If we could get him for 6 years at $20M per year, do it.  I think that the Yankees will go a longer term, and an annual salary possibly reaching $25M.  Dunn (29) brings a questionable glove and low speed, high power, high OBP (walks) and high strikeout rate.  Assume budget goes up by $16M (plus $5M for the sign-on). 
  • Trade Derrek Lee and Felix Pie in a three-way deal with the Giants and Marlins, sending Lee to the Giants, Matt Cain and Felix Pie to the Marlins, and the Cubs get Alex Hinshaw (LOOGY) and Jeremy Hermida (RF).  Obviously this hinges on the fact on whether Dunn (or Teixeira) signs first.  We do not want to be in a position where we are left without a 1B (Hoffpauir/DeRosa platoon is not the answer here). We shed $12M.  Alex Hinshaw replaces Scott Eyre in the Cubs bullpen as a very inexpensive solution.  Jeremy Hermida moves Fukudome over to a platoon situation with Reed Johnson in center, and provides an inexpensive left handed solution in right field with great potential.
  • Trade Sean Marshall and 1-2 prospects for Jake Peavy and cash consideration ($1M).  Peavy is set to be paid $8M in 2009, so the net is approximately $6.3M.  Any cash considerations to offset his extended contact would be great, as he  just signed a contract last year for:

a.       2010: $15M

b.      2011: $16M

c.       2012:$17M

d.      2013 $22M club option ($4M buyout)

 

All of these moves yield a 25-man roster of:

  1. Starting Rotation:
    • Ryan Dempster
    • Rich Harden
    • Ted Lilly
    • Jake Peavy
    • Carlos Zambrano
  2. Relief Pitchers:
    • Neal Cotts
    • Chad Gaudin
    • Angel Guzman
    • Alex Hinshaw
    • Carlos Marmol
    • Jeff Samardzija
    • Kerry Wood (Cl)
  3. Position Players
    • LF - Alfonso Soriano
    • CF - Kosuke Fukudome (platoon)
    • CF - Reed Johnson (platoon)
    • RF - Jeremy Hermida
    • 1B - Adam Dunn
    • 2B - Mark DeRosa
    • SS - Ryan Theriot
    • 3B - Aramis Ramirez
    • C - Geovany Soto
    • Bench - Ronny Cedeno
    • Bench - Mike Fontenot
    • Bench - Henry Blanco
    • Bench - Micah Hoffpauir

 

And a starting lineup as:

  1. Ryan Theriot (R)
  2. Kosuke Fukudome (L)
  3. Aramis Ramirez (R)
  4. Adam Dunn (L)
  5. Alfonso Soriano (R)
  6. Jeremy Hermida (L)
  7. Geovany Soto (R)
  8. Mark DeRosa (R)

 

Total Payroll for 2009: $152.6M with $14M in incentives or sign-on bonuses.  Assuming 10% of incentives are realized, we are talking about a $158.5M, or $8.5M over budget.  In order to get back to the NTE $150M budget, do not pull the trigger on the Jake Peavy deal, and Sean Marshall becomes our #5 starter.  This would yield a payroll of $149.5M.  If Dempster does not accept the deal, then definitely pull the trigger on Peavy as his replacement.  This would bring the payroll further down to $145.5M.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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Nice effort on the post...

But come on, those trades are pretty unrealistic and its gonna take more than 11M/yr for Dempster.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 5, 2008 12:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Plus, its going to take a HELL of a lot more

than Marshall and 1-2 prospects to get Peavy.

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by DTJchris on Nov 5, 2008 12:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed....

Let me first off say, I appreciate the time you put into coming up with this post and please do not take what is going to come personal. A lot of people, including Al, will probably rip you for playing “fantasy baseball.” The criticism comes with the territory.

The Dempster offer is WAY too low. It already sounds like Dempster is going to wait to become a true free agent and drive up his price. However I think this is simply to get the Cubs to pay him more, because ultimately I think he wants to be a Cub next year.

The Peavy deal is way way way way way too low. If Hendry could pull that off, then God speed. But he can’t. With that being said, I really think the asking price for Peavy is going to be much lower than what everyone else thinks and if they can make a big offer early, Hendry could pull it off.

The Adam Dunn angle is interesting, however I am too conservative and don’t think giving up DLee’s glove is worth getting what Dunn brings to the table. I think he has hit his peak and will only get worse.

I completely agree with all your arbitration signings, as well with the guys you let go. The only one I wonder about is Edmonds (depending on his price). But if Edmonds begins to ask for anything over the top, it’s an easy let go.

But overall, excellent post. If anything, it’ll get people talking and hey isn’t that the only think we have to do right now.

One final thought. I think it’s funny that on nights as important as tonights, I found my way onto BCB. Hmm this shows where my priorities our haha.

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by cubswynn on Nov 5, 2008 12:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree I think we keep Lee

Dunn is a defensive downgrade any extra production you get is compromised defensively. I like the idea of aqcuiring Peavy but in my opinion the only way it happens is if the Cubs take on the Dads big salaries so Giles and Greene are unloaded to. I think its a move worth making but a huge payroll increase. Finally, I agree with your thinking that a Hermida deal and dumping Marquis are both great choices.Hermida is the best choice for a lefthanded RF for the future.

by Steve Sax on Nov 5, 2008 10:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well laid out...

but I don’t really see Demp signing for 11 Mil unless it is for 5+ years.

The Lee trade seems a stretch, but I suppose all speculation does to some extent.

I don’t know if I’m alone, but I cringe counting on a Theriot/Fuko 1-2 punch to start the lineup.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Nov 5, 2008 12:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The other thing that I thought about today was...

I wonder what all the trade talk will do to DLee’s head. A lot of MLB’ers would probably take it personally and let it distract him. I think DLee knows it’s a business, use this as a motivator and he will have a better year in ’09. At least I hope so.

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by cubswynn on Nov 5, 2008 12:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't find a link...

but I thought I read somewhere that it was made clear that Lee wasn’t to be traded.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Nov 5, 2008 12:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you talking about what Bruce Miles said?

With all due respect to him, he doesn’t know that for sure. I really wish people would stop taking what he writes as fact. Sure, he may have been told by someone that it wont happen or that it’s not likely to happen. But things change.

by kanderber on Nov 5, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not positive. Could be.

But let’s also acknowledge that the only place D-Lee is actively being shopped is in the blog community. Back to cubswynn’s post, I doubt it could really get in his head because it isn’t exactly a front-office movement.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Nov 5, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Peavy Update

GM Kevin Towers said they’ve narrowed the field to 3 teams and are looking for 2 major league ready players, plus prospects for Jake. I’m thinking Chad Gaudin would have to join Marshall, Pie, and Cedeno to make it happen, IMHO.

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by Canadian Cubs Fan on Nov 5, 2008 7:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hendry should jump all over that

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by cubswynn on Nov 5, 2008 8:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of these deals are WAY out there.

1) Neither Wood or Dempster will sign those deals. Incentive laden contracts usually are extended for risky pickups who feel the need to sign for short term deals in order to prove themselves. Both these pitchers had great years and will be looking for fatter contracts.
2) Offering Arbitration to Howry will backfire. He will probably accept the arbitration considering he would make more next year by staying than he would in the open market. It’s best to just let him walk.
3) At one point I was on the Dunn-for-first-base bandwagon, but I am not anymore. As good a hitter as he is he doesn’t make up for his horrendous glove-work. Lee is probably just as valuable as Dunn overall. If we are willing to pay sixteen annually for Dunn why not toss in another four or five per year and grab Texiera, who would be a big upgrade over either of those players?
4) It would take more than Marshall and another prospect of two to reel in Peavy. A lot more.
5) I would bet the house that Lou doesn’t go into next year thinking Fukudome can successfully hold down the number two spot in the lineup.

by dakoose on Nov 5, 2008 7:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hinshaw to replace Eyre?

Am I wrong or was Eyre replaced…pretty sure he was on that team that just won the World Series.

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by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Nov 5, 2008 8:03 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Making Deals

If Jim Hendry is really going to make a bunch of moves and change the face of this team I have a few different ideas.

1. Trade Derek Lee and Mike Fontenot to the Giants for Alex Hinshaw and Matt Cain or Jonathen Sanchez.

2. Trade Aramis Ramirez to the Indians for a couple of young pitchers, i.e. Scott Lewis, Zach Johnson.

3. Move Derosa to 3B.

4. Trade Matt Cain, Cedeno, Marshall, and Hoffpauir to the Padres for Adrian Gonzalez.

5. Trade Scott Lewis, Zach Johnson, Pie, and an additional Cubs prospect to the Orioles for Brian Roberts and Luke Scott.

6. Sign Dempster to 4 years 56 million and Wood to 2 years plus an option for 18 million.

Your new cubs starting 9

1B. Adrian Gonzalez
2B. Brian Roberts
3B. Mark Derosa
SS. Ryan Theriot
LF. Alfonso Soriano
CF. Fukudome or Reed Johnson
RF. Luke Scott
C. Geovany Soto

Who knows if Lou will ever move Soriano out of the leadoff spot, but we can hope. We lose a little pop with this roster with the loses of both Lee and Ramirez but I believe Gonzalez will out perform Lee quite significantly. With this roster we have the possibility of throwing 4 lefty hitters out on any day. Who knows if Gonzalez is available, this was just my thoughts. Bash away.

by huskercub on Nov 5, 2008 8:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

No THAT is a stretch!

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by TheBeerBaron on Nov 5, 2008 8:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, sure is.

Much as I’d like to start that deal with the Giants, I’m starting to rethink it, and there’s no way you pry Gonzalez away from the Padres. He is their best player.

Further, the Cubs won 97 games last year. There aren’t going to be massive changes — huskercub proposes changing FOUR of the starting lineup positions. That would be unprecedented for a playoff team (that is, one that didn’t deliberately dump players).

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 5, 2008 9:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Coughfloridamarlinscough

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by cubs0505 on Nov 5, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

coughbutatleasttheywonitallcough

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by ballhawk on Nov 5, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I specifically said...

… a team that didn’t deliberately dump players. That was meant to refer to the Marlins.

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by Al on Nov 5, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Seems to me Larry Beinfast is master of engineering beneficial trades for his organization much more so then strictly dumping salaries. The Beckett deal, the Pierre deal, the Clement/Alfonseca deal… I’d say the Marlins do a damned fine job of maximizing deals.

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by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True enough.

Of the three you mentioned, two of them DID benefit the other team, too. Only the Pierre deal was one-sided in Florida’s favor.

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by Al on Nov 5, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Hendry could make a move for Hermida, it would make the most sense...

in terms of finding a left handed bat (throws right handed though which is a plus in right field). I am just scared he may never live up to his potential or stay healthy.

But if it fails, it’s not like he will be much money lost……I believe that he’s arbitration eligible this offseason……probably will increase his 2009 salary to a little over $1.5M.

Do people really think that Dunn will help?

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by TheBeerBaron on Nov 5, 2008 8:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I do.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Nov 5, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's amazing how Adam Dunn has been elevated to extreme super-start status.

Reading this blog I full well believe that if acquired by the Cubs, he will hit 200 HR and drive in 700 RBI while achieving gold glove status.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 5, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention that he's seven feet tall...

Kills fastballs by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he’d consume the Brewers with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arm…

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by ballhawk on Nov 5, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well of course they do...

… I just tweaked it a bit to make it a little more baseball-ish.

Besides, I don’t think you want Adam Dunn dropping trou in the outfield everytime someone tries to run on him, do you?

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by ballhawk on Nov 5, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he'd be a good addition to this lineup.

I haven’t really seen many people obsessing over the Super-star potential of Dunn.

He’s a lefthanded power bat who can get on base. I’d enjoy a Cubs lineup with these five batting in a row: maybe 2-6 of Lee, Ram, Dunn, Soriano, Soto.

Yes, this means Dunn plays right. Yes, he is not a good fielder. But with Dome and possibly Pie on the roster next year, we’ll always have a defensive replacement ready.

Not a flawless move by any means, but still one that I would be in favor of.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Nov 5, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just as soon as the National League institutes the Designated Hitter rule...

…and I will have interest in Adam Dunn wearing Cubbie blue.

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by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's get Rusty Staub!

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by CaliCub on Nov 7, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster will cost 4 years, $50 million MINIMUM

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by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 9:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jake Peavy's agent Barry Axelrod suggests no deal is imminent for his client

Or so says Tim Heyman of Sports Illustrated in his web column. Which is understandable because San Diego is in the advantageous position of creating an all out bidding war for Jake Peavy.

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 10:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

D Lee

The Giants are not going to trade a young stud pitcher already signed for three years for an aging, expensive, injury risk (back ) first baseman.

The Giants might trade Sanchez or Cain for Hermida and Uggla (young players back) but the Cubs dont match up with the Giants.

Lee also has a no trade and I dont see him wanting to leave a World Series contender.

I think Dempster feels four years is going to be the going rate. I think its a contract the Cubs will regret in a year if they sign him. But they probably feel they have to.

Signing Wood makes sense but he has to see what Nathan and Lidge got and K-Rod will get and with Fuentes in theory asking for 3 years at 10-11 why wouldnt Wood? Yes, I know the history but he also will want to get paid.

I see two major problems with the Cubs. The offensive struggles for sure. Sorianno never adjusts and each year this decade it seems we have watched him fail in the playoffs. Two words-Brian Roberts but you better hurry.

The other major problem is no reliable ace. Zambrano declined this year. Higher whip, lower strikeouts. Can you count on him? Harden-you hold your breath from winter throwing program to spring training and then start to start. Again, can you count on him?Dempster has had arguably two good years as a starter (one with the Marlins) but he was almost an after thought going in to the year. Is he an ace? The hottest Cub pitcher never saw the mound (Lilly) in the playoffs. The point is the team needs a defined ace so I would pursue Peavy.

To get Peavy you probably cant get Roberts and who really knows if Roberts is available blah, blah, blah but Peavy is. I would think in the Cubs case they can offer more quantity then quality. Pie, Cedeno, Marshall, Hill and Ceda? That is a little of everything. But to get a true ace for about what it might cost to keep Dempster, I pull the trigger.

by sanders833 on Nov 5, 2008 10:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well put...

"Listen, if you start worrying about the people in the stands, before too long you're up in the stands with them." -- Tommy Lasorda

by MDBNIU on Nov 5, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed re: Peavy.

If he’s truly available at a reasonable price, it simply has to be done.

And if it is done, then the team has to be able to let Dempster go.

It will be very difficult to land both Peavy and Roberts. If Hendry can do it, he should be granted an Official Immunity from Blogger Criticism trophy, with a 5-year grace period.

Peavy-Harden-Z-Lilly-TBD is a great rotation.

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by D98 on Nov 6, 2008 12:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think...

any owner could ever receive even a 5-day grace period… :)

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If someone can cut off BlueMike's Internet connection...

…we might be able to make five hours.

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by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that deserve a pre-emptive "pound sand".

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take it!

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by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks For The Responses So Far...

.. the underlying theme, like Al did, was to convey the message that:

(1) Tinkering is likely going to happen with this team because they did win 97 games last year,
(2) Tinkering is likely going to happen with this team because they are already at $152M after re-signing Dempster and Wood (while underpaying), along with three others.

If Peavy is signed, it will likely be because Dempster is asking for too much (either in dollars or years, or both). I heard the offer on the table for Dempster is 3 @ $36. Dempster looking is his right as a free agent – he’s earned it. Even if this happens, we are still around the limit of $150M (again, an assumption).

Now, the lefty bopper in right hasn’t even been considered yet! To go via FA, you need to push Marquis. If you trade for Hermida, who would be a very inexpensive solution, you can get by. Then, pushing Marquis means that you have about $5-$8M to play with to meet other needs…

… other needs like getting a LOOGY. If Marshall is still around, he can be the #5. If Hill gets his head straight, and is still around, he can be our #5. $5-$8M can then be applied to the top of the line-up lefty/switch hitter.

Again, overall, I do not believe that Lee gets traded. I don’t believe Dunn or Abreau or Ibanez comes to the Cubs. But my post was an illustration of looking at the financials and seeing what theoretically can be done before going and doing it. Hopefully I was able to demostrate the fact that not much really needs to be done, and not much financially can be done.

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Nov 5, 2008 10:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Yes, I see Jason Marquis and Reed Johnson as the quick purges to payroll. Why cant Pie or some other minor leaguer do the job Johnson does for the MLB minimum? The Cardinals seem to do it every year.

Then I make the trade for Peavy. I still might sign Dempster since Marquis and Marshall theoretically would be gone or someone on the cheap like Carl Pavano, Bartolo Colon, B Looper to add some depth. I would also keep Chad Gaudin in this scenario.

I just look at Peavy and think if the Cubs can get what someone is getting ready to pay 135-150 mil for in Sabathia you get ownership to sign off even if you keep Dempster and Wood at higher prices.

by sanders833 on Nov 5, 2008 11:09 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.

Pavano, Colon and Looper?

Do NOT want. Go with Marshall instead.

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by cubs0505 on Nov 5, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A couple of items...

1. Crane Kenney was quoted as saying the payroll would be around $130M. $150M is a pipe dream.

2. There is absolutely no way that Dempster will sign a contract guaranteed less than $12M per season for 4 seasons.

3. Ryan Theriot will not be leading off next season. If Lou liked him as a leadoff batter more than Sori, he would have batted him there last year.

4. Jake Peavy will cost a lot more than Sean Marshall and 2 prospects — especially since our prospects aren’t A-level except for Vitters.

5. Derrek Lee could conceivably be traded, but not to the Giants, and not for anything as good as Matt Cain.

6. Your estimates on Cedeño, Cotts, and Wuertz are low. They will probably each get double your figures. Johnson will also get more than $3M.

7. DeRo won’t be batting 8th in a lineup that has Riot leading off and Dome batting #2.

8. Jeremy Hermida and a LOOGY is not nearly enough return for Derrek Lee and Felix Pie.

9. Adam Dunn is much worse at 1B than he is in LF — much, much worse. And 1B have a lot more chances than LFs do.

10. You don’t need (and probably don’t want) both Hermida and Dunn. You need one LHB in the middle of the lineup, and a true leadoff man (whom Lou would prefer be a LHB).

11. You are trying to fix something that ain’t broke. This team did win 97 games last season. It doesn’t need a complete overhaul.

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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 5, 2008 12:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

your 2009 Chicago Cubs!

C – Geovany Soto
1b – Mark Texiera (sign him to a 200 million, 5 year deal)
2b – Brian Roberts (just trade Ronny Cedeno and we are set!)
SS – Adam Dunn (sucks at OF, 1B, lets try him here!)
3b – Alex Rodriguez (Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez would do it)
LF – Alfonso Soriano
CF – Mark DeRosa (played everywhere else but here!)
RF – Sammy Sosa (make him unretire!)

Starting Pitchers
Carlos Zambrano
Rich Harden
Jake Peavy (Marshall, Pie, and your set!)
C. C. Sabathia (hell we have enough for him!)
 who needs a fifth with those?

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Nov 5, 2008 5:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You forgot Owner - Bill Gates

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 8:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a joke, right?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 6, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

is Howry a good pitcher?

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Nov 7, 2008 11:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He was

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 8, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hah wait..

that joke didn’t turn out well! haha

well, that projection is obvious sarcasm

2009 Cubs: Well, Seems so far away..

by Chanman25 on Nov 8, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Peavy is unlikely

The Braves have more talent to offer, the only way the Cubs have a shot is if the Braves try to low ball Towers. Then again Hendry has pulled off deals like this before…(Lee for Choi — Ramirez and Lofton for Bobby Hill, Jose Hernandez, and some scrub P?) It would be very impressive if he got it done.

Of the available LH hitters (Dunn, Ibanez, and Abreu), none of them can field. So the first time they turn a single into a triple, Lou will have a cow and put them in his dog house. Hermida’s desire and motivation are being called into question, why give up the talent the Marlins will want for someone like that who hasn’t put up a good season yet? The should pursue someone like Andre Ethier of the Dodgers before Hermida.

This simple fix to the lineup is to move D-Ro to RF, Theriot to 2B, and sign Furcal to play SS. He is the leadoff hitter Lou desires, and defensive upgrade at SS, plus Lou gets to keep THeriot in the everyday lineup. Platoon Fuku and Johnson in CF, with Pie on the pine or traded.

1. SS Furcal
2. 1B Lee
3. 3B Ramirez
4. C Soto
5. LF Soriano
6. RF DeRosa
7. 2B Theriot
8. CF Fuku / Johnson

Then concentrate on the Pitching.

Ken Rosenthal of Fox reported that Dempster is looking for 5yr and 75mil, if that’s his price they need to move on and pursue someone like Derek Lowe .

Getting value out of Hill, Pie, Marquis and/or Cedeno would be a major feat for even Jim.

by CubsnWrigleyfield on Nov 6, 2008 9:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Latest...

… is that Peavy is likely going to the Cubs or the Braves as soon as Monday.

Also, if we do land Peavy or Dempster, along with Wood and settle some arbitration items, how are we going to sign Furcal at $12M+ per year for however many years? That would take the payroll over $160M! That is not going to happen. Even if we push Marquis’ $9.75M contract, we likely will have to pay 25% of that, so we would still be in the upper $150K range. And then, how about that lefty bopper bat?

Now, if we sign Peavy and Dempster, which is what the news reports states Hendry wants to complete in the next week, then it may be curtains for Wood. That makes the $$ that much tighter…

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Nov 7, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If this deal happens, and I don't think it will, look for

Hendry to move Harden and/or Marquis. Pitching payroll has to be cut and those are likely candidates.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 7, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Marquis, yes...

… Harden, no.

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Nov 7, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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