Peavy Update: Cubs frontrunners
by Rezze21 on Nov 5, 2008 11:13 PM CST
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http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8761340/Sources:-Cubs-consider-deals-for-Peavy,-Dempster?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498
According to Ken Rosenthal the Cubs want Peavy and Dempster.
Wow, the rotation would be amazing
I figured this was worth a new post because the other one is so clustered. Looks like the Cubs are legit.
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Seriously.... if we pull this off.
I’m REALLY excited.
If we get Dempster AND Peavy we will have one of the best if not THE best rotation in major league baseball.
by EJThunder on Nov 5, 2008 11:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not buyin it...yet at least
Kevin Towers can take his time and let the potential suitors for Jake Peavy line up. Peavy has already caved and expanded his list of acceptable locations to include the Yankees and Angels. The Braves, Yankees and Angels all have better and deeper prospect pools to draw from. And what happens if the Brewers find away to get on Peavy’s good side? They could pony up Alcides Escobar and other considerations.
I see no chance that a package of Felix Friggin Pie, Sean Marshall and Jose Ceda is good enough to land a Jake Peavy.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 12:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Peavy's agent says he has not agreed to the Yankees or Angels.
That report you’re referring to is probably specious.
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All it takes is for the Steinbrenner boys to send message that they will rip up Peavy's existing contract and give him a new one as condition of acquiring him
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IF you were the Yankees though....
wouldn’t you be more obliged to just go after pitchers on the free agent market?
You knowingly have precedent over any team because of how much money you could dish out.
CC, Burnett, Lowe, Garland?
IF I were the Yankees I wouldnt be looking at Peavy a whole lot.
by EJThunder on Nov 6, 2008 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Peavy's contract is no longer as amenible...
…then quite frankly you’re better off spending the money to sign a free agent and keeping your prospects for another trade. The Yankees are not going to match or exceed the trade package we offer AND significantly increase Peavy’s salary.
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
till it happens
let’s just stick with what the established facts are. Peavy’s agent says that he has not agreed to the Yankees or the Angels. Having Demp and Peavy on the same rotation would be great.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Heard you say this. Still tampering…
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 6, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, one thing I didn't miss in my multi month absence from this place was blue mike....
Barry Axelrod was quoted as saying in order for a trade to the Yankees to occur, Jake would require and extension and a raise in salary.
Not going to the Yankees!
PHISH IS BACK!!!
HAMPTON, VA - MARCH 6, 7 and 8th!!!!
by TheBeerBaron on Nov 6, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
Pie, Ceda, Marshall and Cedeno would be enough to get Peavy. But you gotta factor in Peavy no-trade clause and that fact that the Cubs and Braves are really the only main finalist now. So if the Braves aren’t willing to trade a ton of good prospects, and the Padres really wanna get rid of Peavy contract it’s possible the Cubs could get him. Say what you want about Pie, but he still has good value, because he is still young and has a bunch of raw talent. Not to mention Kevin Towers is a big fan of Pie, and has been trying to trade for a while now. Ceda has a great arm, and seems to be on the fast track to the majors as a late inning reliever, but down the road could be a front line starter. Sean Marshall is probably more of a number 4 starter, but pitching half his starts in Petco will help him alot and he could be a solid number 3 for them. That type of package seems simliar to what the Twins got from the Mets from Santana last offseason. MLB teams rank players different from Baseball America and other systems, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the Padres like the Cubs system more then people think. That said I still doubt Peavy will be a Cub, and think he will either stay with the Padres or go to the Braves.
by cubsfan25 on Nov 6, 2008 1:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just read the article in full....
not retaining Wood doesn’t go well with me.
That is, unless, he’d like out of Chicago.
by EJThunder on Nov 6, 2008 12:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why?
If its b/c of emotions, then try and see past that, Marmol can be a lights out closer. if its b/c you think it weakens our 8th inning, then i would agree. But there would be hope for someone to slide in that spot;whether its Samardzija, Ascanio, Cashner or someone outside the organization, they can find someone, Marmol came out of nowhere afterall (following his stint as a starter)
This might just seem too good to be true.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 6, 2008 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The 3 guys you mentioned might not even be on the team either...
if the deal get’s done.
I’d still go for it though, the more I think about it.
I lean towards MDB’s reasoning that Wood isn’t necessarily in the greatest shape, arm-wise, even after his healthy season.
by EJThunder on Nov 6, 2008 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think Cashner is eligible to be traded yet
But I get your point, but I think we can find someone to fill that role, there are plenty of hard throwers in the organization.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 6, 2008 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd think
marmol would be included in any peavy trade
by Cubinator on Nov 6, 2008 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry wouldn't go through with a trade including Marmol....
if in the back of his mind he knows he wont be able to retain Wood if he completes it.
by EJThunder on Nov 6, 2008 1:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed..
If he knows he is going to sign wood then adding Marmol to the package makes that trade look that much better. If he isn’t going to try and sign wood or thinks he won’t be able to then we have to keep Marmol
Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro
by mkcubs21 on Nov 6, 2008 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Cashner? In 2009? In the late innings? You’re serious? That’s just plain crazy. He did virtually nothing to show that he even belonged in pro baseball in the few innings he pitched in 2008 and he’s at least a thought for the 7th or 8th innings in the majors? Not a chance.
And before you think I’m saying he’ll never be a major leaguer, I’m just saying he’s not going to be a major league in 2009. Michael Wuertz would have a better chance of being the 8th inning guy in 2009 than Cashner. I know, that’s a pretty scary thought.
Same for Ascanio.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Nov 6, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A few innings is hardly enough time to decide
On someones timeline for arriving in the bigs, and if you remember after he was drafted, there was a buzz that he’d make it up that year….so I wouldnt be shocked, look at Samardzija, did his minor league numbers lead you to believe he’d contribute for the Cubs in 08?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 6, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 years max contract is my touch point with Kerry Wood
If he can’t agree to that then it is time to let objective sense rule and let him move on to another organization. We’ve invested too much dollars and faith in Wood for too much disappointment and downtime over the last 11 years to get burned yet again. Fact is Wood’s right arm could once again go boom at any given moment. A year and a half ago the medical professionals were telling him to think about retirement.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right About Length Of Contract
The Cubs have had a lot of guys who had one good year as a closer and then gone bad. Mitch Williams, Rod Beck (though he had a lot of good years with the Giants), Tom Gordon, and Joe Borowski come to mind. If Wood wants more than two years, I’d let him walk, too. To echo the sentiment, he’s a big injury risk. I’m confident that Marmol can develop into an effective closer.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Nov 6, 2008 7:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wood won't be giving the Cubs the discount he has in the past....
…….this year. Last year, yeah he could’ve gotten a little more for a 1 year deal elsewhere, but his integrity wouldn’t let him do that and he stayed with the Cubs not only because he felt he hadn’t lived up to his contract but also to prove to other teams that he can stay healthy as a closer. Look, this could be Kerry’s last viable chance to sign that last big contract in his career and with the Cubs having a legitimate and cheap closer in the wings in Marmol, they’re not going to do more than a 2 year contract with Kerry.
The only way the Cubs will retain Kerry’s services, will be if a team is not willing to sign Kerry to a 3 or 4 year deal, which I imagine someone will, which I imagine the Cubs are well aware of. Which is why I think Marmol is basically untouchable. I’m convinced that Kerry will not be a Cub next year.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 6, 2008 7:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget...
… that Wood’s wife’s family is from the Chicago area. That apparently is important to him, that he stays here near her family, and further, I think he stayed for reasons other than “proving to other teams that he can stay healthy as a closer”.
Why is it so hard for people to wrap their heads around the idea that some players don’t simply go for the most dollars?
Further, he appears to have put any worries about his elbow or shoulder to rest — he has been healthy now since August 2007 (except for the blister this year, which could have happened to anyone and should not recur).
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al Yellon on Nov 6, 2008 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So Al, you seriously think...
……That Wood would accept a 2 year deal with the Cubs over a 4 year deal from another team, at a higher annual salary, just to “stay near her family”?
You can put me in that group of people who find it hard for people to wrap their heads around the idea that some players don’t simply go for the dollars. Sure, if it was a matter of comparable contracts, a player will choose comfort in surroundings over dollars, but not when you’re talking about the security of a longer contract and MILLIONS of dollars more and rightfully so. The Cubs would be insane to give Kerry a 4 year deal that he realistically could get from another team. If that’s the case, then Kerry’s as good as gone.I think that’s what you’re missing or misunderstanding what I’m saying.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 6, 2008 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, actually I do think that, if the dollars are close enough.
And I don’t think anyone will give him that many more years than the Cubs will.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al Yellon on Nov 6, 2008 8:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta go with the majority on this one Al. KWood would
be nuts to take a 2-year deal at a lesser annual salary than a 4-year deal from someone else. With his health history it would be crazy to accept a contract that has less years.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Al.
To put it in perspective, if someone offered me $1.50 more per year (which is incidentally a 10% merit increase for me haha) to relocate to the armpit of America – Detroit – I wouldn’t do it.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 6, 2008 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are assuming that any place other than Chicago is an armpit. Is that really
the case? I know that his wife is from here, but if the offer is much sweeter, don’t you think he would be tempted? I know we all think that palying for the Cubs at Wrigley is every players dream, but there are a few other spots in the league that other players don’t mind moving to. I’m just sayin’.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I spent extensive time in St. Louis from 2005 to 2008 for my job
Trust me, St. Louis is the armpit of America. And I don’t say that because I am Cub fan who doesn’t like the Cardinals. Plus my wife and I are saddled with a condo we purchased down there for my work that we can’t unload. I hate St. Louis with every bone in my body. Respect the Cardinals, hate St. Louis.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I lived is the St. Louis area for 10 years. There are a lot worse
areas in this country to live. Trust me.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're getting warm.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Across the river
in Pekin. Took years but I got my family out of there.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Nov 6, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's where my family came from
fortunately, my parents decided it would be better to live in a city.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 6, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will one up you and say
South Pekin,,,
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Nov 6, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana
rhymes with pool
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was my first choice.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
East St. Louis is right up there
it just doesn’t have a catchy song associated with it
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that's a pit. That's why St.Louis isn't so bad. East St. Louis is
right across the river. By comparison, St’ Louis is pretty good.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ever been to Brooklyn, IL?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not even at gun point.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I once made a wrong turn...
And turned around in a strip club parking lot in Brooklyn.
I think I had to get a shot for it.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 6, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That strip club is why I was there.
Friend’s bachelor party. And, well, OK – I think we went one other time just to go.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They have strip clubs across the river from
St. Louis? That’s what those places were! I was wondering where all of my dollar bills went.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You would be refering to
Roxy’s I believe…enjoy the shower…
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Nov 6, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL
You nailed it exactly. And I wouldn’t step inside that shower without a hazmat suit. Y’know, upon further reflection, I just realized I’ve been there three times. My friends took me to Roxy’s for my bachelor party, too.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Believe it or not, my buddy and his
soon-to-be ex-wife got into a fight in the parking lot of Roxy’s. We were there during his bachelor party night and she followed the bus we had rented. That’s when you know you are trash. You get into a fight with your fiance in the parking lot of a strip club.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also if your front porch collapses
and more than three dogs get killed.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or three rabbits
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 6, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
She FOLLOWED him to the strip club?!
Man, that’s brutal. My wife was kind enough to take a “don’t ask, don’t tell” approach to my bachelor party…well, at least until after we were married.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My first wife called the cops to complain
about the noise we were making at my friend’s house before we even started going to the strip joints as a joke and they arrived just as we were leaving and he got a DUI.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, that's rough.
Come to think of it, my friend got a speeding ticket on the way to Roxy’s for my bachelor party.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brutal? yes definitely...but
absolutely hilarious..i was laughing so hard at my desk, my co-workers insisted I tell them what was so funny.
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like to him."
Solomon
by cubfever7 on Nov 7, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems funnier now
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 7, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
I had no idea my hero had immortalized East St. Louis in song.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty crappy song.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What can I tell you
It’s not like there was a wide array of choices.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
Steve made up for it by writing the perfect country western song.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With help . . .
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With a little help from my friends.
Yep. Only David Allan Coe album I have.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
UGH
That’s where my X’s family came from. I truly hated going to that Dump. Pekin sucks.
by Kornchex on Nov 7, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to be/your kingpin
Livin’ in/Pekin
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 10, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why?
he has more money than he can possibly spend. He’s got connections to Chicago. He’s adored here. Why would he move for an extra $15 mill? What’s he gonna DO with it?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Human nature
I can’t see anyone turning down 2 more years at the same or better $/year.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see it
if the situation is right. Hell, I’ve done it myself — I turned down a job that paid me more than 30% more a year because my family needed me here in Chicago.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but would your salary
Have given you the financial freedom to travel to Chicago as often as possible? Or to live there 6 months out tof the year?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, it wouldn't have
but even if it had, it would have ripped up my roots here. I don’t see Kerry Wood wanting to do that.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see
An 8 figure salary difference can be a pretty big motivator.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Buy a plane and visit his beloved Chicago whenever he feels like "coming home"?
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 6, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't be the same.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, yeah, it's not that simple.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See: Brown, Kevin.
I don’t think the use of the Dodgers’ private plane helped things.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 6, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Money is good. People like money.
I love how people enjoy telling other people to turn down money. Shut up. And when you’re done doing that, shut up some more.
Reasons players take more money:
1) People like money. The more you have, the more things you can buy. This isn’t about a living wage. If he wanted a living wage, he wouldn’t do a job that risked turning his arm into the consistency of lemon jello. He wants to be able to buy more things. People that don’t get that are just jealous they can’t buy more things.
2) Taxes. The tax rate for people making 250k or more is about to go up. More money = more take home. (Sleeper team for free agents = Tampa Bay. No state tax in Flordia)
3) Ego. People like being paid more. It makes them feel better.
4) Union. The players union won’t stand for too many hometown discounts. It hurts all players.
5) Longevity. If the Cubs offer two years and another team offers three, and the money is the same, he’s taking the three. That’s basic math. Kerry has an arm that can go at any time. He needs guaranteed money and more of it.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 6, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whats the minimum wage in Illinois?
Maybe he’ll take that
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 6, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure if the Cubs offered him that...
Some fans would say, “He should take it out of loyalty”
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 6, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget about ego. Bigger contract equals more recognition.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I said that. It was 3)
But it bears repeating.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 6, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry about that. I know, reading is a skill.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gee, thanks, Gordon Gekko.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No problem...
Greed is GOOD! Greed works!
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 6, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jinx!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Greed is good. Greed works.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You owe me a Coke!
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 6, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jinx 5-10
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Put it on my Tab. Ha!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously...
I would bust you in your eye if we were in person. That was that lame :)
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 6, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I kind of regretted it after I hit the return key.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do they even still make that?
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe they do. That was an awful concoction. Tasted like monkey
piss. (Not that I’ve ever had monkey piss)
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
People like
a lot of things, including not having to move their family. I love how people enjoy telling other people to shut up.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you take less money
just to hear someone tell you to shut up?
In all seriousness, there are a lot of MLB families that live in cities other than where the player is. Sure, it makes it a bit difficult during the season, but usually only April-early June and September IF there are kids.
No reason that Wood couldn’t keep his Chicago home and have an apartment somewhere else. It’s pretty common.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know that.
But I think people are overlooking the connection that Wood has with the team and the city.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the ties are legitimate
But I don’t think they preclude him taking a much sweeter deal.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe.
but he had better offers last year, and didn’t take them.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Money talks
But even more, so does security.
Wood is getting older. He will have about 45 years to live after he retires. His arm can go at any time.
If he gets four years guaranteed from another team, he’s gone. He’s got the rest of his life to strengthen the ties to his family or his wife’s family.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 6, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC
Wood turned down slightly more money last year, for a single season and this situation this year is NOWHERE near last year’s. Last year Wood was not an, well I won’t say 1 healthy season mean’s he’s established but this year he proved that he can stay healthy for a complete season as a closer. Also, he chose less money last year to stay with the Cubs I think more for his integrity and knowing as a man he had not lived up to the contract he signed with the Cubs, more than because he LOVED Chicago.
Wood will get more years and money from another team and loyalty only goes so far. This is a no brainer and I am amazed people still think that he would stay with the Cubs on a 2 year deal over another team who will pay him more annually and probably a 4 year deal, because he loves Chicago so much? C’mon, this is potentially Wood’s last chance for a guaranteed contract for a nice payday and the security of knowing where he’ll be for the next 4 years.
Face it Cub fans, Wood is as good as gone and just appreciate the fact that he has been this loyal up to this point, which I certainly will.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 7, 2008 7:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From one extreme to the other?
I think it’s Pollyannish to suggest that Wood would walk away from potentially $10M more and extra years.
However, “good as gone” is hardly true, either. Let’s wait and see what he’s offered.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 7, 2008 7:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to know a girl named pollyann
WHile it’s true that I don’t know what Kerry is thinking or am a member of his posse, I still am not buying the general opinion here that he would turn down a more lucrative and secured contract with another team and take a significant amount of less money, just to stay with the Cubs, because he loves the City and the organization so much.
Like you said though, we’ll see. I guess if there is any player left in the game to do something like that, it’d be Kerry.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 7, 2008 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the choice is between a two and four year deal...
…I don’t see why the dollars would be particularly close. And why wouldn’t some team give Wood four years? Scott Freaking Linebrink? Four years! Francisco Cordero? Four years! Justin Speier? Four years!
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and Howry won't get a multi-year offer so don't bother offering him arb.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree Al
It is time that prudent and objective decision making take hold in the Cub front office. At some level I could care less that Kerry Wood loves Chicago and his wife is from here. We’re trying to build a winning ballclub, not cater to the Kerry Wood family.
If Wood can accept a two year deal from the Cubs then fine. If not the informed decision is to let him walk. Let the New York Mets give him a crazy 3 or 4 year contract, then watch him spend half the time on the DL or ineffective. A year and a half ago the medical people were saying Wood’s arm was further damaged and even went so far as to advise he consider retirement.
We’ve got Carlos Marmol waiting in the wings. Plus I adhere to the belief that closers are made and not born. We can find late inning replacements.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 8:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Howry for closer!
Just kidding.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 6, 2008 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He could close the doors at Wrigley field after the clean up crew is done.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Now there’s a job he could finish.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, the doors would probably homer off him
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And then they would start singing, "This is the end, the very end, my friend."
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or they'd lock him on thie inside
and they’d sing “Break on through to the other side” just to taunt him.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
followed by People are Strange.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then he can go home and his boyfriend would sing him
“BACK DOOR MAN”
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 6, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oooooohhhhh
Muddy Waters
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would still have someone warming up in case he blows it.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Al was contesting that logic...
I think his point was merely that Wood’s priorities are that he wants to stay in Chicago for the rest of his life, and he is not strictly motivated by the almighty dollar as others are (Manny).
Sure, he would love a longer term deal for financial stability into the future, but if he gets the RIGHT deal he should be more than willing to cooperate in alignment with the organizations long term plans.
I would bet my paycheck that if Selig expanded the divisions again, and Fargo, ND was given a ballclub and they offered Manny a $50M/year deal for 5 years, he would take it.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 6, 2008 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get this...
What is with this underlying firm belief around here that Ryan Dempster and Kerry Wood are only too willing to sacrifice contract years and significant dollars to stay with the Cubs??
And sorry, but I won’t fault Manny Ramirez or any other professional athlete for looking out for # 1. Seems to me Manny was HUGE, HUGE, HUGE reason why the Boston Red Sox won two World Series championships. So in that respect one of all-time greatest run producers in the game DELIVERED on his previous contract. If Manny wants to go for every last cent out there in the market then God bless him. He’s earned that right.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because some people have priorities other than money
It really is as simple as that. The modern baseball player is never going to starve. Wood and Dempster have already made enough money so that they never have to work after their baseball careers end, if they have invested it properly.
That gives them the freedom to choose the best personal situation for themselves and their families. In both cases, I believe that will result in them staying with the Cubs.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al Yellon on Nov 6, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, but the vast majority of baseball players...
…do sign for, if not the largest contract, close to their market value. You haven’t offered any evidence other than your own personal feelings that show that Wood and Dempster won’t at least look to push the Cubs closer to their market value.
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you that most go for the most dollars.
In some cases, that works against them in terms of getting them the best personal situation.
I believe the desire of Wood and Dempster to remain Cubs is well-documented, not just my own personal feelings. Will they try to get the most money they can out of the Cubs? Sure they will. But in the end, I believe they will stay even if a few more dollars are offered elsewhere.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al Yellon on Nov 6, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Demp could well stick around on a four-year deal...
…which is what Rosenthal says the Cubs are offering right now. Maybe some team goes to five years, but that can be bridged over.
Wood, on the other hand – Wood wants four, and I think he can get it. And I think the Cubs want to stick to two. That’s a big gap.
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's also hard to give Demp what he wants
and turn around and tell Wood – we’re not doing that for you.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but....
….the Cubs have a cheap and viable replacement for Wood in Marmol. If you sign Wood to a 4 year deal, what do you do when Marmol is up for his big pay day? You’d have to let him walk, because he’ll garner a big pay day and you couldn’t justify paying a set up man, closer salary.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 6, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The case of Aramis Ramirez supports Al here
Aramis pushed the Cubs hard and it almost looked like we’d lose him. But his deal still turned out to be below-market. It’s worth trying too keep people that want to be Cubs if we believe they will produce more than we pay them.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to look at market rates...
…if you didn’t, you would be considered foolish.
To compare this discussion to what I do for a living – I work in a sales environment selling outsourced labor. 75% of our sales activity is capitalized by potential customers testing the market for current market labor rates. Do they always switch vendors and go with the cheapest? Some do, but not always. The others go back to their current vendors and ask them to sharpen their pencils, because at the end of the day the transition to a new vendor and uncertainty of what lies ahead is often too large of a risk to take.
Demp has made it clear that he wants a new house – and he likes the size of Lilly’s which is an entire city block so I hear. I think Demp has his bar set high – and probably too high for the Cubs at this point. His skillset and cost is worth more to other teams than the Cubs.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 6, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also you have to factor in the simple fact that
ITS CHICAGO CUBS! it should be an HONOR to play here. who doesn’t want to play for the cubs?
by xene on Nov 6, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No question!
We all work for one primary reason – money. I know I do. And I do agree that Manny delivered on his Boston contract. I just think that Kerry has different priorities than these guys do.
He is a family man. He has a modest house. He has chosen Chicago to be his permanent home. His kids go to school with the rest of our kids. He drives himself to the dry cleaners. He is just a different sort of individual who doesn’t spend thousands of dollars a night at the clubs and winding up on TMZ. His priorities are different.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 6, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
The wives and children of ballplayers have to deal with their husbands being gone for long periods on the road during the season. If Kerry’s wife is truly committed to staying in Chicago, I don’t see there even being a question of whether or not he’ll return.
Of course it’s all speculation, but IF he were to sign elsewhere, my money would be on one of the Texas teams.
"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"
by cubs0505 on Nov 6, 2008 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aramis Ramirez stayed with the Cubs for, more than likely, a lower amount.
Carlos Zambrano made it clear he wanted to stay here for family reasons as well. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to believe that Wood and Dempster will do the same. Once a player’s income reaches a certain level, other factors likely come into play. In fact, I think Aramis himself said something along the lines of, “How much money do you need?”
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
So is Jim Hendry supposed to accumulate players who like being in Chicago enjoy the fact that they can walk to the friggin dry cleaners or should he instead let OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS rule player acquisition and retention decisions.
For crying out loud some of you are painting Kerry Wood as a working Mom type whose primary concern isn’t really his career but whether he can get home in time after work to meet the kids at the bus!!!
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Once again, you have completely missed the point.
No, Hendry shouldn’t just go out and get players who happen to like Chicago.
But in the case of two players who produce AND like it here, why wouldn’t you want them to stay?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al Yellon on Nov 6, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So long as we make smart contract decision on Dempster and Wood
But under NO circumstance do I want Kerry Wood back on anything more than a 2 year incentive driven contract (that gives him performance potential to earn monster dough and an option year).
I’m also not willing to get into the bidding war for Ryan Dempster. If the bidding gets north of 4 years at $45 million (which it will) then I say let him walk. In a year from now we will be thanking our lucky stars.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with you, basically.
Except I would go a bit higher on dollars for Dempster.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al Yellon on Nov 6, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is barely worth responding to...
…but, no, of course Hendry shouldn’t focus on players who love Chicago. What you’re conveniently overlooking is that, in 2008, Kerry Wood established himself as a solid closer, and he had no arm troubles. (Just the blister.) There’s no reason not to believe Wood can’t build on that success.
Similarly, Ryan Dempster put up fantastic numbers in 2008. Will he be able to match that performance in ‘09? It’s hard to say. But even if he regresses a little bit, he’s still a good middle of the rotation guy.
So here you have two good baseball players with good attitudes who are comfortable with their living situations in the Chicago area. Sounds like a recipe for success to me.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, Ithink we should be concentrating on players
who absolutely dispise the Chicago area and who really suck at their game. At least we wouldn’t have to give up much to sign them.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the whole
“I’ll play better so that another team can trade for me” gig?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So huge
that the Dodgers won too—- oh, wait.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Spurrious
How many has Wood or Dempster won?
Mike didn’t say he single-handedly won the WS for them — he was a big part of those teams.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what he said was
Seems to me Manny was HUGE, HUGE, HUGE reason why the Boston Red Sox won two World Series championships.
that’s more than “he was a big part of those teams”. That’s responsibility.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, Drew
I like talking with you, but you’ve got your Blue Mike blinders on. Had most anyone else said it, you would have ignored it.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, I don’t agree. But then, most anyone doesn’t talk like BM.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck you mambochicken
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right on cue.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you do Drew, carry him around in your back pocket?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I swear, I don't.
I’m just commenting the same way I do on anything else…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As well he should...
There is no reason to work except for money. Period. Work sucks.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 6, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be worse.
When you’re unemployed, there’s no vacation.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unemployed people in France went on "strike" back in the 70s.
I never figured that one out.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was the French. It need no explanation.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Long live...
freedom fries. And freedom kisses. And freedom toast.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, I had forgotten all about that crap.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are on a roll today...
must be the nice weather
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 6, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Naw, it's the alcohol.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Freedom salad dressing?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Freedom Maids Outfits
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Winner
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Winner, winner poulet dinner!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Freedom tickler?
Have I said too much?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No girls on this board in the offseason
…its OK
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 6, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too fu#*!@)(#$ dirty...
Oops, pardon my freedom.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Tell them we are from Freedom."
Now we must consume mass quantities.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
These guys can play in one location
and then live anywhere they want. There are so many major leaguers living in Northern San Diego County it’s hard to keep track. The overwhelming majority of them don’t play for the Padres. To really think any player is married to any team out of ‘loyalty’ is well… a bit naive, in modern times. They are independent contractors. And, why not? These guys have a short time to maximize their income.
The players are mercenaries. They will make the wrong decision about teams for the money, even when it seems obvious they have a good situation, and signing a new contract with their current team — for less money — makes good sense.
Most players take their agent’s advice. It’s rare when they make decisions NOT based on dollars. It happens, but it’s the exception.
That’s why it’s best to not get attached to any player. Root for the laundry.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 6, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im still on the fence, crazy as that sounds
Peavy is obviously amazing, and he would provide coverage should Harden get hurt, Dempster revert and Z go nuts…..but if this costs us Wood, then our bullpen is weaker. I think Marmol can be a better closer than Wood, but who steps up to the eighth? And if this costs Marshall, there goes our best swingman.
And what would this “less expensive” left handed OF be?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 6, 2008 12:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Prudent decision making, not emotional attachment, has to rule on Kerry Wood
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think the Cubs will sign Wood...
……and should sign Wood to anything more than a 2 year deal, when they already have a cheaper closer of the future in Marmol? He can easily get a longer contract elsewhere.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 6, 2008 7:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if wood is gone, won't bother me
I hate spending money on closers, the difference between the best and league avg isn’t that much. I’d rather pay for a guy that gets 200IP than 60 any day of the week.
by uwbadger on Nov 6, 2008 12:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think the Cardinals would disagree with your comments about the importance of a solid bullpen
The lead the league in games leading after 7th…you see what happened to them.
The bullpen is just as important as the Starting Pitching since nobody throws complete games anymore. Peavy had 0 the year he won the Cy Young…
You really need three things to be successful year in and year out…Solid SP, a Solid Bullpen/Closer, and clutch hitting. We may get the Super Rotation but if we don’t have arms to protect the lead in the 7th, 8th, and 9th what is the point. Peavy is much like Harden in that he does not pitch deep into games which makes the bullpen even more important.
Marmol will be a fine closer but what happens when you have to rely on Shark, Guzman, etc to get the ball to him. That is putting a lot of faith in unproven talent when your window with this current roster is a 2-3 years.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Nov 6, 2008 8:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is my biggest concern with adding Peavy.....
…..not so much just Peavy, but when you factor in Harden as well and even Lilly, you really do need a deep bullpen.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 6, 2008 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Cubs really want both Demp and Peavy
then Lilly seems likely trade bait to me. We’re going to have to unload some dollars somewhere.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
…someone making good dough would probably be dealt if the Cubs acquired Peavy and also signed Dempster (unless Kenney got Zell to ok a bunch more money, which I doubt).
Regarding Lilly, I would think Lou would only want to trade Lilly if he was confident he could replace him with another reliable lefty and those are hard to come by.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 6, 2008 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet Terry Mulholland is available.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Danny Jackson?
wait, he’s not reliable…
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 6, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it be better to unload Harden?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How the World Champs
the Phillies, there bullpen and Lidge really sucked all year. That is how they won it all. Got clutch hits, Hamels was the deal, and most importantly there bullpen was lights out and most of all Lidge.
Pay Wood, sign him.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Nov 6, 2008 8:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here Here
In addition to the need for the strong bullpen, the other way I look at this is….
Who would I rather have on the Mound in game 7 of a NLCS or a WS protecting a one run lead. The grizzly veteran who has a ton of experiencing pitching and has the mental fortitude to put aside the grativity of the situation or a reliver who at times has shown that he can lose his focus when things start to go astray. I love Marmol and no matter who is in that situation I am not sure I can watch, but I think I prefer Woody and his experience over Marmol and his stuff.
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Nov 6, 2008 8:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One other thing...
…the Phillies had was a legit offensive threat of the stolen base. In fact, if you look at both of the world series teams, they both were near the league lead in stolen bases.
In those tight playoff games, it can really help the hitter when the pitcher has to concentrate on whether a guy is going to steal or not. Pitchers make more mistakes, and it allows the hitters to do some damage.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 6, 2008 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There are decent arguments for SBs
but the two WS teams doesn’t cut it. What about last year? How SB reliant were those offenses? And why is it that the biggest proponents of small ball, the Angels and Twins, bow out year after year after year in the first round?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you could have one player in baseball to add to the Cubs...
Jimmy Rollins would be near the top of the list. His overall game is precisely what the Cub lineup screams for.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take
B.J. Upton over Rollins.
"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"
by cubs0505 on Nov 6, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no,
BJ is OK as a hitter but I can only stand one lollygagging, heart attack inducing outfielder at a time and we already have Sori.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, if we're playing this game,
I don’t hesitate at all and take GRADY SIZEMORE.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hanley Ramirez
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 7, 2008 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What I am trying to say...
…is the Cubs need more balance in their offensive attack. If you look at their playoff performance in 07 and 08, the stolen base (or even the threat of a stolen base), may have been the difference between a hitter or two getting a pitch they could launch. As it stands, pitchers can bear down on Cub hitters with little attention paid to the baserunners, and it makes their life a bit easier.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 6, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know. I'm much more open to your general argument.
It’s the idea that we can copy last year’s WS teams, which I resist. Different kinds of teams win the WS every year. The Cubs need to find out how to augment their own 97-winning club, which is a different, and very good team. We shouldn’t say, “We were beat by the Dodgers; we better copy them.”
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not looking to copy anyone...
…but they do need to be congnizant of how they can make themselves a more difficult team to pitch against.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 7, 2008 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's up with the first line in that article?
“DANA POINT, Calif. – Imagine a Cubs rotation that featured Jake Peavy, Carlos Zambrano, Ryan Dempster and Ted Lilly.”
Um, hey Ken. You realize we have Rich Harden, who is arguably better than every one of those guys, right?
by kanderber on Nov 6, 2008 7:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What if Harden has to be part of the deal to get Peavy?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 7:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Done.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 6, 2008 8:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
So this deal would potentially cost us Pie, Harden, Marshall, Ceda, and Cedeno?…in addition to Wood (since we wouldn’t sign him)?…
No thank you. I would rather keep Harden AND Wood AND still have those three to dangle for someone else. There is no way I would make that trade (and I’m only speaking if Harden is included) if I knew we were pretty certain to lose Woodie too.
by jbertram on Nov 6, 2008 8:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm San Diego, I'd jump at that deal.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt theyd want him back
they want young pitching
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 6, 2008 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They won't want Harden
He has one year left on his contract, and the Padres will not be contending next year. Or the year after that.
by Wreckard on Nov 6, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They don't need Harden to pitch for them in 2009,
but they can flip him for some prospects to the Braves, Yankees, etc.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The bullpen will be key.............
…………..if Peavy comes over.
I heard on XM Radio yesterday, that over the past two seasons, Jake Peavy has only thrown 15 PITCHES beyond the 7th inning.
Not sure if that is accurate, but if a Cy Young winner can get away with being just a 6-7 inning pitcher, it can’t be all bad. However, I was stunned to hear this because I equate Peavy with “horse”.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on Nov 6, 2008 7:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's quite simply not true.
A quick look at his BR pages shows that.
by kanderber on Nov 6, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not gonna do others research.
I will report what others say, but I’m not going to act as ombudsman.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on Nov 6, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not buying this.
For one thing, I heard from Deep Goat yesterday, who said nothing is going on right now.
Second, this article couches its language with words like “perhaps”:
The Cubs have emerged as a front-runner in the Peavy sweepstakes, perhaps even ahead of the Braves, according to major-league sources.
I’m still concerned about the idea of Peavy pitching with his home park not being Petco.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al Yellon on Nov 6, 2008 7:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal has a decent track record
Don’t really know against whoever you call Deep Goat though. Guess time will tell in the next month or so.
I wouldn’t be too concerned about Peavy pitching away from Petco. He’ll be fine at Wrigley, sure HRs will be up, but that can be said about a lot of pitchers who come to Wrigley (i.e. Ted Lilly).
by lamentir on Nov 6, 2008 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I woudn't worry about Peavy...
…at Wrigley either. He is a very good pitcher, plain and simple.
The other thing is this, Wrigley is really two ballparks. When the wind blows in, the park is one of the best pitcher’s parks in baseball. When it blows out, it becomes one of the better hitter’s parks in baseball. All in all, the wind appears to blow in a tad more than it blows out and the other days it is fairly netural. At the end of the day, Wrigley is not the hitter’s haven everyone makes it out to be.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 6, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair...
I think the argument is more “Has Peavy already reached the peak of his career” rather than the obsession with Home/Away splits.
In 2007 Peavy had a 2.51 ERA at home and 2.57 ERA on the road. Had a bad split in 2006, but 2005 and 2004 were both similar to 2007.
Did he reach his peak in 2007 seems to be a more relevant argument, as his home/road splits have not been consistently similar to 2008. Also must keep in mind that almost every pitcher has a better home ERA than road ERA.
Not necessarily supporting Peavy, but I don’t buy the Home/Away argument as much as some.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great potential rotation but...
you would need both a deep bullpen and some qualified 6th and 7th starters to make this work. Harden and Peavy are injury risks and Dempster has only one year back as a starter. If Marquis and Wood are traded / let go to make payroll room, and Marshall is part of the deal for Peavy, who are our backup starters (assuming Shark would need to stay in the bullpen with Wood gone)?
by John in DC on Nov 6, 2008 8:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
IF this were to happen...
the Cubs don’t resign Dempster. I don’t care what they say… Then there would be money for Wood or other RP help.
I still am very nervous about the Cardinals making a move for Peavy.
by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Nov 6, 2008 8:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cubs talking to Marlins for Hermida?
Not sure if it has been mentioned elsewhere here, I’m sure it has, but on another popular Cubs blog, someone mentioned that they heard on AM 1000 yesterday that Levine reported that the Cubs were in disucssioons for both Hermida and Olsen, which the Cubs would presumably turn around and use Olsen as a piece to get Peavy. Has this been discussed?
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 6, 2008 8:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Scott Olsen is from Crystal Lake.
Maybe they want him here.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al Yellon on Nov 6, 2008 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Scott Olsen is a dang good pitcher...
The heck with Jake Peavy. Lets just go get Scott Olsen and be done with it. But Larry Beinfast is expert and exacting heavy price for the talent on hand in Florida.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
like Hee Seop Choi. Hendry’s been taken by the Fish, but he’s done alright taking them, too, especially when their motivation has been to shed salary.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Olsen is a talented pitcher,
but he also has a reputation as being very temperamental, and possibly having an alcohol problem. He supposedly threatened his manager in Florida. Can Lou handle that type of player?
I don’t think that the Cubs would keep him, if they got him.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I know
He and my little brother played little league baseball together at Canterbury Elementary school, Babe Ruth ball at Veterans acres and played High School ball together at CL Central. From what he tells me, he’s the biggest jag-bag he’s ever met too. I personally don’t care about that, as long as he’s good, which I wouldn’t call Olsen. Mediocre, yeah. 4th starter yeah.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 6, 2008 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard that too from a long time Crystal Lake pony league coach
Scott Olsen has maturity issues and can be a real prick.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard the same things about Olsen.
It might be worth trying if it didn’t cost too much in terms of players. It obviously won’t cost too much money.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al Yellon on Nov 6, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This has been reported somwhere, I think maybe Gammons
and someone with more interest than I might google around for it. Either way, the point is that it’s more than just anecdotal.
We could have a whole lot of fun if our two major pickups this off-season were Olsen and Milton Bradley.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe there was a shoving match in the dugout of a game in 2007 or 2008.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 6, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In 8th grade?
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 6, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
EDIT: Little bro played High School ball at CL South, not Central.
I went and played at CL Central.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 6, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My high school team used to play you guys in the 1978 to 1981 time frame
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A little before my time....
…..but a close relative of mine was the coach of that team then. You guys probably smoked them.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Nov 6, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that on the radio yesterday.
If Jimbo can get Hermida and Olsen, why would he want to give up players and take on Peavy’s contract.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 6, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Olsen has his own question marks.
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but...
… he’d be a lot cheaper than Peavy, he is 25 in January, and… he’s lefthanded.
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by Al Yellon on Nov 6, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Olsen is intriguing
but Peavy is preferable if we can afford him. Never forget about Marlin pitchers that their home park is almost as good at sapping offense as PETCO.
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
I want to trade with the Marlins…Choi not withstanding, they seem to pry all of the “diamonds in the rough” out of everyone’s system.
by jbertram on Nov 6, 2008 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Dontrelle Willis?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 6, 2008 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what to think...
…about all this. Usually, a big name guy like Peavy takes a while to move, so some of this is probably over reaction. Also, I just don’t see how they can have both Peavy and Dempster and still address the lineup holes. That is, unless Hendry plans on trading at least one of his high salary guys to make room.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 6, 2008 8:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is possible that the numbers we are expecting for payroll are low.
The Cubs could have fed misinformation on that.
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if you resign Dempster and trade for Peavy you find a way to dump Marquis' salalry.
Presumably you still have somelike like Gaudin around to use as a caddy for Harden.
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When you look at all the Cubs' offseason goals
it seems like dumping Marquis salary is necessary whether you add Peavy or Dempster, let alone both. Besides the pitching, we need a LOOGY, and a LH RF, and Jim/Lou wants to add a Name Lead-off man to drop Soriano.
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I still think Hendry should be calling the Mets and Yankees to see if they’ll take Marquis’ contract off our hands.
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by Al Yellon on Nov 6, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He should have them on speed dial.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Hendry is trying to do all that we're reading
especially now Peavy AND Demp – then he’s asking Omar if he has interest in Soriano, too. I’m serious. If the 130 # is accurate, significant cost-cutting has to come – more than just Marquis. I think Hendry would love to unload Soriano and replace him with Ibanez.
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wont happen
no one is gtaking sorianos contract from us. ANyone know if he has a NTC also?
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on Nov 6, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sori does have a full NTC,
but he would likely waive it (for a fee) for a return to NY. He loves the Apple, and I think he still has an apartment there.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he would thrive in LA, too
under either Scoscia or Torre, again. I also think the two LA teams could have interest if they miss out on Manny and we don’t ask for too much back.
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that Sori is still very useful.
Guys that can put up an .870 OPS in a bad year don’t grow on trees. This isn’t a bad contract in the grand tradition of Barry Zito.
Sure the Dodgers might be interested if Manny leaves, but I would want a decent return — maybe Andre Ethier and a young pitcher? If I trade Sori for no return but salary relief, I’m left with the dregs of the FA market — or Micah Hoffpauir — in LF.
That is the problem with wanting such a grandiose rotation — you can’t ruin the offense, or you are back at square one. The Cubs don’t have Steinbrenner’s checkbook.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we can get a LH replacement with little downgrade for 2009 on the FA market.
And that LH replacement well cost less. (Why would someone want Sori, then? Because he is speedy and RH and some other teams don’t mind as much his low OBP.) So if I got Maicer Izturis and Brandon Wood for Soriano, I’d be happy enough.
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way would I settle for Maicer Izturis and the ghost of Brandon Wood.
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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that greatly overstates matters.
Most of the LH LF available through FA right now are defensively useless. That matters.
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Given that we're going to get a LH OF bat anyway...
I’d rather stick that bat in LF than RF in Wrigley.
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, but in that case...
…you STILL have a RF vacancy, and have downgraded in LF.
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect that when everything settles down
and most of the FA guys are signed that Hendry will be able to find a taker for Marquis if he needs one. There will be more than just the Mets and Yankees too. Take the Dodgers, Lowe is a FA and if they don’t resign him, they might take him for one year. Hendry might not get much in return but he would free up the money.
by rlpete on Nov 6, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dumping Marquis'...
…dough, might not be easy, even with him being a reliable innings eater.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 6, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano/Peavy
Maybe Peavy can pitch some batting practice to Soriano….so Soriano can practice his posing. Maybe Chris Young would like to help out too.
by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Nov 6, 2008 8:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This says differently...
Sources say the Cubs have limited interested in Padres ace Jake Peavy, who is being aggressively shopped this week. Padres general manager Kevin Towers wants a boatload of young talent — the kind the Cubs can’t offer. Peavy, 27, has four years and $59 million remaining on his current contract, with a $22million option or a $4 million buyout for 2013. Sources say he might want to restructure his deal before approving a trade.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/1260225,CST-SPT-deluca05.article
Hopefully that works.
by jbertram on Nov 6, 2008 8:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Peavy is game Hendry is playing...his real focus is on Dempster
I don’t believe all this smoke about Peavy and the Cubs.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither do I
…and frankly I’m glad. I mean I’d love to have the guy, but not for this many players AND that contract.
by jbertram on Nov 6, 2008 8:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is a mystery why the Cubs keep being mentioned as competitive.
One possible explanation is that Mike Fontenot or Ryan Theriot are drawing significant interest. If any team believes Fontenot can hit like he did in 2008 fulltime going forward, Fontenot will bring a surprising return in trade. If any team is likely to believe that, I think it is the Padres.
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they want Fontenot as part of a marketing gimmick.
The “Joe Dirt” DP combination. Greene and Fontenot, seperated at birth.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on Nov 6, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you think there's a market for Ryan Theriot?
I’ll drive him to the airport gratis, if that will help…
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by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There was a market for Scott Podsednik.
Who do you want from the White Sox?
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alexi and Quinton for Howry and Theriot.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Podsednick...
…was a game changer for the Sox because he stole a bunch of bases in 05. I can’t recall, but his OBP was ok, but everytime he got on, the pitcher had to alter his focus (throw more fastballs, etc.) and it helps the hitter. I think he also got thrown out a good percentage of the time, but I’ll guarantee, he caused pitchers to make a lot of mistakes with the head games he caused.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 6, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot can do what Podsednik did.
Theriot for Vazquez.
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot couldn't....
…steal 50 bases, no way.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 6, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Over how many years?
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
are we talking during a game
or, like, coming into the stadium when no one else is there and taking the base home with him?
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by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're talking about...
him in the closet for 7 minutes of heaven with a fleet of chin-patch loving females.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we obtain Peavy
Perhaps its possible that Hendry turns around and trades Zambrano? If we re-sign Dempster, we’d have a rotation of Peavy, Dempster, Harden, Lilly, Marquis. That’s not bad at all. I’m sure that if we were to trade Zambrano, it would be for a difference making bat, perhaps a Carlos Beltran type? This is pure speculation, of course.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Nov 6, 2008 10:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or perhaps Jimmy Rollins?
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Nov 6, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it is all that unreasonable
We need a left hand hitting bat in, preferably in right, we aren’t going it on the open market. We need to probably trade for one. If we were to trade for Peavy, we wouldn’t have anything in our farm system to make that happen. Sorry, but you can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs. We’d have a good enough rotation without Z and he would bring the position player the Cubs desperately need.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Nov 6, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please, respond with something more than that
I presented a reasonable argument, at least you could do the same.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Nov 6, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You and I must disagree on what a reasonable arguement is.
Real baseball teams don’t do the sorts of trades that you’re talking about. It’s the same problem that I have with people who think we can somehow manage to dump Lee and get Teixiera – the people who would be interested in Lee are the same people who would want Teixiera.
Instead of taking Zambrano off our hands for a package of prospects or a stud right fielder, why not offer those prospects and a new contract to Peavy? Or sign Dempster? Or get in on the Sabathia sweeps?
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not about getting prospects
The Padres are in rebuilding mode, the Cubs are in win now mode. I don’t see the Padres wanting more than prospects to help rebuild their team, they are not looking for a difference making player for next year, while the Cubs are. The two teams have completely different needs going forward, so to compare the two for what they need is not a reasonable argument.
Wouldn’t you say that the Cubs need a LH hitting bat? How are we to obtain that without trading away a player that is a good player? We need something, we would have an abundance of Ace pitchers. The player that would net us the best player would be Z.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Nov 6, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the obsession with a left-handed bat is petty, small-change nonsense.
Your milage may vary.
Okay, sure, then find me evidence of a series of trades like that happening. Your fantasy league doesn’t count.
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
the LH bat obsession stems from Lou. I don’t quite see why it is so important, but I’m not an all-knowing perfect manager like Lou…eh, I’ll just save my Lou rant for another time.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's Lou's "white whale"
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Call me Ishmael.
Ishmael Theriot.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you've seen the whale? The white whale?
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The White Donkey...
Adam Dunn? Could it be?
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or, since I'm Italian and Christmas is approaching . . .
Maybe it’s Dominick
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The people who could...
…answer your question the best, are right handed pitchers who face the Cubs lineup.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 6, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs led the league in runs scored in 2008,
and they faced many more RHPs than LHPs.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
During the regular season....
…you are indeed correct.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 6, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then perhaps we are barking up the wrong tree...
We have RHBs who can hit RHPs in the regular season. We just don’t have RHBs who can hit any pitching in the playoffs. So…
What we should be looking for are hitters from either side of the plate that hit well during the playoffs. Any ideas?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think what you have....
…had in the 07 and 08 playoffs, is the effects of teams taking scouting reports to an all new level. During the regular season, they certainly use scouting reports, but they aren’t stressed near as much as they are in the playoffs. Also, you happen to have better pitchers executing those game plans and that adds to the difficulty.
To make things difficult on the pitcher, you have to be able to go after them with a variety of weapons; speed on the bases, quality hitters from the left and right, some power and enouph patient hitters to make him work.
When it came down to facing a quality pitcher that only faced quality from one side of the plate, it gives them an opportunity to get into a groove, and that is what happened.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 6, 2008 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only problem with your theory is that Big Z recently signed a huge
contract and he had some injury problems last year. If you trade him now, you would be doing it when his value is the lowest.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not true that the same people who want Teix want Lee.
Some teams would rather have a two-year commitment than a ten-year one.
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Speculation? No....Why don't we get Peavy and move Big Z to right field. That would solve
all of our problems. That would give us the RH power bat we need in RF. Brilliant!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We would still have a great rotation
Plus, we need a LEFT handed bat.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Nov 6, 2008 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It makes perfect sense. We would have Z's bat in there every day. We know he can
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're a retard
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Nov 6, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you. Coming from you, that's a compliment.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Z is a switch-batter,
so he would be our LH power bat. The only problem is that — Z is the first to admit this — he would have to lose 40 lbs in order to play RF every day. Better get him started — now.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in favor of this plan.
And then in ST, when he comes in 40 lbs lighter, tell him we were joking about the RF job.
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how many bats he would snap over his thigh after you told him that.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Could you imagine Z running around in right field. He would be like
a runaway delivery truck. I have this awful vision of a collision between him and Reed. They would have to pry him out of the ivy.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Z is the one guy that I would bet on in a collision with the brick wall.
The bricks don’t stand a chance…
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We haven't seen that much beef roaming the OF since Greg "The Bull" Luzinski. Scary.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While I'm certain the origianl comment about Z in the outfield was in jest
the more I think about it the better it sounds. He is a good hitter and if he played every day I think he would have more emotional control. I’m only half not-serious that I think he would have more wins shares or whatever that sabremetric is as an everyday RF than as a pitcher (see Babe Ruth). So put Dome in CF Z in RF, Sori in LF and all your outfielders have cool nicknames. Of those three, Z would have the highest average and most RBIs over a whole year. He bats in the 3-hole. I’m totally there.
I’ve got my Nomex flightsuit on now as I type this.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of the best ideas are born out of crazy comments. The more I think of it, the
better it sounds. I was just being sarcastic before with DTJchris until he got all huffy on me. I guess he doesn’t realize that I don’t take anything seriously, especially myself. Having Z in the lineup everday is kind of interesting. Hmmm…………..
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you know, defensively,
he might not be worse than Adam Dunn…
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 6, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, during the season, some of us were half-joking that...
…Jason Marquis’ value could be maximized by moving him to centerfield. So how ’bout this: Unload Soriano and pick up Rick Ankiel, making an all-ex-pitcher outfield of Zambrano (LF), Marquis (CF) and Ankiel (RF).
Git ’er done, Jimbo!
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't have to worry about runners taking an extra base, now would you?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind having Ted the Steamroller Lilly
running the bases everyday also. I’ve just decided pitching is overrated. Give me baserunners and outfield assists all year long. Now-get in my belly!
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he's going to be our special baserunning assistant coach in ST.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Shoulder down, keep your feet moving after contact."
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching is overrated.
Want to shrink the payroll. Let’s pay 9 players 10 million dollars apiece. 5 will double as the rotation, and 4 can also come in in relief.
We’ll save money on everything from uniforms to gatorade, and I’ll even let Theriot throw in relief if he proves he can make it to home plate with a pitch.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot throw in relief if he proves he can make it to home plate with a pitch.
What, EVERY TIME?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't be done.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there such a thing...
as a Scrappy pitcher?
I can just imagine the defense of RP Ryan Theriot:
“Look, I know his stats are bad. His ERA is as high as the national deficit, he can’t field his position very well, can’t always get it home, but damnit he does all the little things, tries hard, and is NOT the problem with team.”
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Lemme tell ya"
It’s not Ryan’s fault the team didn’t score 12 runs behind him today. What are ya gonna do?
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
What do you want me to say?
Reminds me of Wanny.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 6, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least he could wind up every time he throws
you would only have to take him out if he got a base runner because he couldn’t throw from the stretch without the hitch that would get called a balk everytime.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
D'ya think they'd call the double-clutch a balk?
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure.
Maybe they’d let it go. It would kinda remind me of certain Japanese pitchers’ windups.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but by the time he releases it he would be close enough to home that
his 55 foot changeup would be in the strikezone.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a technical balk...
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good one.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now if we do trade Sori to an NL team
you could bring in Theriot to pitch to him everytime and know that he would still swing at the 55 foot changeup.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if we got Peavy
it might be worth it.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Ted Lilly
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But Z is a switch hitter.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I don't see why we would break up a potentially great rotation by trading Z
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #14 7-2 (3-2). Next up K-State. Chase Coffman is a god.
by nji232 on Nov 6, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More importantly
Why would a team looking to shed the large salary of their ace pitcher take on another ace pitcher with a large salary?
by Wreckard on Nov 6, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you have observed Zambrano...
…the last few years, I think the potential answer to that is pretty straight foward.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Nov 6, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not about shedding salary
its about obtaining something the Cubs need. If we were to obtain Peavy, that would give us an opportunity to use our abundance of starting pitching to obtain a difference making bat. Of all the Starters we have, Z would make the most sense to trade, IMHO.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Nov 6, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, sure, the guy with $95 million left on his contract.
He’s got to have a lot of trade value.
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
People with huge contracts have been traded before
Alex Rodriguez?
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Nov 6, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, for Alfonso Soriano, some guy you've never heard of, and $70 million.
But that’s not even what we’re talking about here. It’s not like the Yankees traded for A-Rod and then traded Jeter away for starting pitching. And that’s what you’re talking about here.
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, its about taking what we have an abundance of
and turning it into something we need. Carlos Beltran and Z have fairly close remaining contracts. The Mets are desperately in need of pitching. That’s why I threw that name out there.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Nov 6, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We'd only have the abundance...
…after making the trade! You’re trying to make this into some kind of Rube Goldberg machine.
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're looking at this trade from the Cubs perspective only
Shedding salary is exactly what this deal is about – from the Padres point of view. They are getting rid of Peavy, their ace, because the owner is going through a costly divorce right now and has to cut payroll aggressively.
They are not looking for big contracts in return. It’s silly to suggest they’ll want Zambrano’s contract in return, it doesn’t fit their needs whatsoever.
by Wreckard on Nov 6, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind
Just realized you were talking about trading him to the Mets. Still a pretty silly trade. Pitchers are easier to come by than star center fielders – Beltran is one of the most rarified commodities in the game.
by Wreckard on Nov 6, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And if the Mets want to spend $90 million on pitching...
…they can just go out and buy some pitching on the free agent market.
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They should re-sign Trachsel
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 6, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Steinbrenner boys
are waiting in the wings and are going to rip up everyone’s contracts and give them new ones.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 6, 2008 10:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They want to spread the wealth around.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't start that political talk or Al will smack you down.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else get the feeling that nothing is really going to happen this offseason?
It just seems that so many of these possible moves are completely unsubstantiated, even though some would be great, I just get the sinking feeling the 09 Cubs will look shockingly similar to the 08 Cubs w/ Hoffpauir replacing Ward and possibly someone like Beimel coming aboard, and maybe some different utility players.
Theyre just so handcuffed by the Lee, Ramirez, Fukudome and Soriano deals that theres very little wiggle room and our minor league cupboards are bare, so no major deal seems imminent.
I dont know, I hope Im wrong.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 6, 2008 10:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haha
at least it gives us something to talk about!
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 6, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, did you hear?
Ken Rosenthal thinks the Cubs are the frontrunners to trade for Jake Peavy!
by cwyers on Nov 6, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO WAY!
I like how all of a sudden Hendry seems to think Starting Pitching is the problem, despite the fact the Cubs had led the majors in Ks for this whole decade.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 6, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
that when you win 97 games, you don’t look to change much anyway.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but...
It’s hard to imagine that so many people are clamoring for so many, radical, changes to a team that was, far and away, the best team in the league up until the Calender turned to October.
But they have so many things to address:
Dempster is a FA
Wood is a FA
Edmonds is a FA
Howry was bad and a FA
Fukudome was a bust in RF (so far)
Lee was awful at 1B after May
Soriano is going to moved down in the order
They want a leadoff hitter
They want an impact LH bat
That is a big list of things to address, even though the team was so good all year long.
They are likely saying goodbye to their only productive LH power bat in Edmonds, which opens up RF because Fukudome is likely to be platooned with Johnson.
Dempster and Wood may or may not be back at this point. Losing Dempster would hinder the rotation as Z was pretty ‘meh in 2008 and Harden is a 6 inning pitcher who needs to be coddled. And Losing Wood will handcuff the bullpen because Marmol is no longer there to bridge the gap in the 8th. Lou doesn’t like Wuertz, Howry is gone and wasn’t good, and Spellcheck is still a ? as to how we will perform as a setup man.
On top of that, despite being a fan favorite, the starting shortstop is really a mediocre ballplayer that many would like to see get upgraded.
The rotation is now:
Z – who knows how he’ll be
Harden – constant worry
Lilly
Marquis – lots of $ for a 4th/5th starter
Marshall?
With a bullpen of:
Marmol
Spellcheck?
Gaudin
Wuertz
Cotts
Hill?
?
And offensively, they’ve been craving a LH impact bat for a while now. Fukudome was supposed to be that going into 2008, and now they find themselves shopping for something they thought they already bought. A LH RF with power.
by WittyUserName on Nov 6, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good summary.
Sadly, the shining sun of those 97 wins was obscured by the cold lunar eclipse that was those three hopeless playoff losses. This team definitely needs some tweaks.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was very well put. You write gooder than most, you know?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey thanks.
When I’m not pounding sand, I read the dictionary.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But you're always pounding sand...
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 6, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Only because BlueMike keeps telling me to.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So what is Mambochicken doing all the time then?
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hold on, I'll ask him.
Hey, Drew! Whatcha doin’?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry. He's busy...
switching screen names back and forth because, in Mike’s opinion, his sole motivation for living is to bother BM.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's a fair cop.
I’m really HBCG.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
liking Pie.
and contemplating the backhoe on EBAY.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were supposed to be enjoying yourself
with some recreation copulation right now.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am at work
can’t lollygag around, you know…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's going to disappoint BlueMike
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying
I have to work fast…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't resist...
TWSS
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they always complained it was too fast
Maybe I should ask my Dr. if Cialis is right for me. But I tell you what, if I had an erection that lasted more than 6 hours I would not be calling my doctor, I’d be going to East St. Louis.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the problem with that
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 6, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
6 doses of Cialis could keep it up around the girls of East St. Louis.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on,
they can’t be THAT bad
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 6, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they're that GOOD
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go for it...
you take your marathon erection to St. Louis and you show Ryan Theriot what it is to ‘steal bases’.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK - BCB offsite meeting at Roxy's
…no cameras allowed.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 6, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm there!
This will be even better than those Jim Edmonds Fan Club meetings we had during the season!
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm there
but Roxy’s is not coming up in my GPS
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Try titty bar, Roxy's.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That worked
see you in 4 hours
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You should call up ESPN
And get Jeff “Spellcheck” on the air…ha, i love that.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 6, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess my take is
you resign Demp and you resign Woody, which means you don’t have to worry about those changes. Howry’s gone. Wuertz could be gone. Replaced Theriot with Cedeno, replaced Edmonds with Pie and put Pie in right. Maybe even bat Pie leadoff.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like our team last year
just not our lineup
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 6, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That rumbling you hear...
…is the volcano under BlueMike’s skull that’s about to erupt after reading your suggestion to bat Pie leadoff.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
under?
that’s gotta be some major heartburn…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Hendry has something hidden up his sleeve
It may be Peavy, but I think Peavy is just a smokescreen for someone else.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #14 7-2 (3-2). Next up K-State. Chase Coffman is a god.
by nji232 on Nov 6, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are probably correct.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Jim Hendry is such a scamp.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a scoundrel.
A rapscallion. A reprobate.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a lollygagger
a lilliputian and a leprechaun, but he’s scrappy
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+5 Ecksteins
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's also a veritable slythy tove
who gyres and gymbles in the wabe.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
James Joyce?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lewis Carroll
but I think Joyce plagiarized. I could never get through any of that mess that was Ulysses.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but, he can be a whippersnapper at times
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Nov 6, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It might be Scott Olsen has several have suggested???
To go along with Jeremy Hermida??? But man I got to believe Larry Beinfast will want a crapload for that tandem. The man very rarely makes a bad trade for his ballclub..
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hermida needs to be moved.
He’s arb-eligible, and he had a 91 OPS+ last season. Oh, and his injury list is longer than War and Peace.
Olsen has a great arm, but a 10¢ head. A major fight with the manager and a couple of AWOLs will get most guys an invitation out of town. As many good, young pitchers as they have, they don’t need a head-case.
Personally, I don’t think that Olsen is a good fit for the Cubs; if he couldn’t handle life in laid-back Florida with a patient manager in Freddi Gonzalez, what is he going to do with the harsher crowd at Wrigley under a manager like Lou?
I think it makes sense to take a chance on Hermida because of his upside, but I don’t want Olsen unless it’s to flip him for something else. Could he be on the O’s radar?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Florida is smart
They might be telling interested teams that Jeremy Hermida and Scott Olsen must be a package deal. Maybe because they know Olsen’s erractic history diminishes his value despite an otherwise bright pitching future. Which means therefore that Florida wants a ton for this combo.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
They do that package deal thing – Lowell-Beckett; Dontrelle/MigCab.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible
but Hendry will bring in a LH bat.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal's latest musings.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 11:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if this has been posted...
From MLBTR:
11:27am: Chris De Luca says the Cubs are in heavy pursuit of Peavy, partially because of steep contract demands from Ryan Dempster. He’s heard Dempster wants five years, $75MM.
No deal is imminent, but De Luca wonders if pitchers Sean Marshall, Rich Harden, or Jeff Samardzija could be involved. Samardzija has a no-trade clause.
IMO, Demp has every right to ask for 5/75, but WE have no business giving it too him.
by jbertram on Nov 6, 2008 11:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
From the Rosenthal article linkyed above:
The Padres initially granted the Braves an informal window of exclusivity in the Peavy discussions, but the teams have been unable to reach an agreement on players. The Cubs’ young pitching is not as close to the majors as the Braves’ but still is attractive to the Padres, sources say.
Wow. The Pads like our low-level pitching prospects. Where’s Josh or toonsterwu to speculate on which low-level prospects might be interesting Towers? Dae-eun Rhee? No way it’s Veal, is it?
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh - the point
that “farther away” means NOT Marshall, Samardzija, Hill, etc.
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what Ive been saying all week..
That our only chance was the Braves were staunch in their desire to hang onto their blue chippers….but there have been many good points made here that make me think getting Peavy might not be such a great idea.
It would be an intimidating rotation for sure, the bullpen issued could be eased somewhat if Gaudin can perform to his Oakland levels.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 6, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Memo to Jim Hendry
PLEASE let Ryan Dempster walk. Under no circumstance engage in the bidding war that is about to start for his services. He is good pitcher, but good pitcher who I shall bet the ranch will never approximate his career year totals of 2008. We already have too much money tied up in dubious contracts to add the noose of Dempster’ s contract around our neck for 4 or 5 years.
Also, call Kerry Wood’s apparent bluff. If he wants four years then wave bye-bye to him too.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 11:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dempster can take his 75 million from the Yankees or whoever
Fine with me. I’d rather have Peavy, even though I won’t believe we can actually get him until I see him on the Cubs roster.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #14 7-2 (3-2). Next up K-State. Chase Coffman is a god.
by nji232 on Nov 6, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Demp signs with another team, I bet it's the Braves.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 6, 2008 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
John Schuerholtz had a long-standing policy of not giving SPs more than three-year contracts.
I don’t know if Frank Wren is holding to the same policy.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2008 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+2
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on Nov 6, 2008 12:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Here is something I posted on another message board.
PHISH IS BACK!!!
HAMPTON, VA - MARCH 6, 7 and 8th!!!!
by TheBeerBaron on Nov 6, 2008 12:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
damn, I forgot to include the post!
I don’t know how much of this article you will be able to read over at Baseball Prospectus, because you have to be a member…but…here are the Top 11 Prospects in the Braves system ranked by BP’s Kevin Goldstein…prior to 2008 though…
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7051
Five-Star Prospects
1. Jordan Schafer, CF
2. Jason Heyward, RF
Four-Star Prospects
3. Brent Lillibridge, SS
4. Brandon Jones, LF
5. Gorkys Hernandez, CF
6. Jair Jurrjens, RHP
Three-Star Prospects
7. Julio Teheran, RHP
8. Tommy Hanson, RHP
9. Cole Rohrbaugh, LHP
10. Cody Johnson, OF
11. Jeff Locke, LHP
Of those, Tommy Hanson, Jair Jurrjens, Jason Heyward and Julio Teheran are all considered off limits according to MLBTR.com
Braves Rumors: Ludwick, Johnson, Escobar, Francoeur
By Tim Dierkes November 5, 2008 at 9:13pm CST
David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution has all kinds of Braves info, found in the body and comments of his latest blog post. The Braves have expressed interest in Ryan Ludwick, and the Cardinals would be willing to take Kelly Johnson or Yunel Escobar in return. However, the Braves would probably have to include one of their middle infielders in a Jake Peavy deal and don’t want to trade both this winter. Braves GM Frank Wren publicly acknowledged the Peavy trade talks. O’Brien believes a package built around Escobar has a chance. Pitching prospect Tommy Hanson is not available.
PHISH IS BACK!!!
HAMPTON, VA - MARCH 6, 7 and 8th!!!!
by TheBeerBaron on Nov 6, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So, I would imagine that Escobar and Kelly Johnson isn't blowing the Padres away.
PHISH IS BACK!!!
HAMPTON, VA - MARCH 6, 7 and 8th!!!!
by TheBeerBaron on Nov 6, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yunel Escobar is outstanding
I’d love to have him. Apparently this can be interpreted to mean that San Diego has more interest in pitching prospects versus positon prospects.
McGrath: I got a good deal on those boys. The scouts said they showed a lot of promise.
Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
by MDBNIU on Nov 6, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So would you trade Lilly for Escobar?
Who would you offer for Yunel?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could just imagine the Braves clubhouse when Lilly walked in
Considering how much fun he has had when playing them the last two years.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #14 7-2 (3-2). Next up K-State. Chase Coffman is a god.
by nji232 on Nov 6, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man...good point.
AWKWARD!!!
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not very often you see a pitcher who would
be concerned about getting beaned by his own infielders!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont Trade Lilly!
Hes got major cajones, this team needs that
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 6, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ted would get drilled every time...
…an opposing runner tried to steal second.
“Hey, c’mon, that stings!”
“Sorry, dude, low throw.”
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Braves would welcome him
With open arms. Teams like having enforcers.
The Bulls made it work with Rodman.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Nov 6, 2008 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ted Lilly is one of the Top 5 Lefties in Baseball
at least according to Scott Boras.
From Boras’ free-agent book on Oliver Perez (from the NY Times):
Chapter Three is titled: "Perez Is One of Baseball’s Top 5 Left-Handed Starting Pitchers." It puts Perez in a grouping with C.C. Sabathia, Cole Hamels, Ted Lilly and Johan Santana, who was Perez’s teammate on the Mets in 2007.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 6, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man. We need a copy of that book.
We could get Escobar and Jordan Schafer!
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shoot.
Posted that w/o the sarcasm sign again.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Boras is great for a laugh or two
These books are fairly hyperbolic, to say the least.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Nov 6, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In response to the Wood/Dempster debates way above...
I think it ultimately boils down to how close the Cubs offer is to the outside team’s. I could see Demp or Wood taking a slightly lesser deal to stay in Chicago, but nothing too drastic. Maybe if the Cubs offered Wood a third year with as many dollars, he might turn down a 4 year deal. Maybe Dempster would turn down one extra year with 1-2 million less a year for the Cubs.
But Demp and Wood aren’t going to accept a significantly reduced deal no matter how much they love Chicago. If opposing deals are wide of 2 or more years or 3 mil per season, I just don’t see them getting sentimental for the Cubs.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 12:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Once again, the answer is...
Hoffpauir
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Nov 6, 2008 1:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is the question,
“Who will never play in the major leagues again?”
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by DGU on Nov 6, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or the question
“Will be a throw-in in a future deal?”
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Nov 6, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, could you repeat the question?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I always get the feeling like we should hear a horse winnie everytime someone mentions
“Hoffpauir”. You know, like Blucher in “Young Frankenstein”.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Frau Hoffpauir"
has a nice ring to it.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. All we need is the thunder and lightning effects.
Frankenstein: Igor, get the bags.
Igor: OK. You take the blonde and I’ll take the one in the turban!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's twue, it's twue.
Ted Lilly is a stud.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would definitely be appropriate.
Suddenly I’m envisioning a one-act comedic play about the 2009 Cubs…
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Curtain opens, Len and Bob are stage right behind in the sportscasters' booth
Len: “What knockers.”
Bob: “Well Sori did hit a few out last year.”
Len: “That’s not what I was talking about. Teri Garr is here to sing Take Me Out to the Ballgame today.”
Bob: “What knockers. But anyway, the big story in Cubland today is that Frau Hoffpauir is getting an opening day start in RF while Koske is going to be used in short relief in the bullpen.”
Len: “Yes, Frau Hoffpauir.” Loud horse neigh from offstage.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meanwhile, Soriano sings
Roll… roll… roll in de hay….
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the first day I've actually enjoyed being on here since that game in Los Angeles
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the mourning period is officially over.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Feels like it.
Good.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm definitely over it.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My fellow Cubs Fans
I say, the time is now to celebrate!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We are, remember, we're all meeting at Roxy's in East St. Louis in 4 hours
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bring singles.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer
doubles!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 6, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot won't be there, then?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, yes...
…there is definitely a Theriot-in-a-stripclub joke ripe for the picking. Let me think about it.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 6, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot doesn't carry singles to strip clubs
he can’t get them out of his pocket without double-clutching, and when he throws, he misses the stripper’s gstring anyway.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 7, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he pulled it more instead of always stroking it the
other way, maybe he would increase his chances of scoring
IMO, he probably roles up to the club with a role of quarters and step stool. Now that is scrappy…
"Sports are a crazy business. If there was a template, we'd all be champions, right? But there's one winner and 29 or 30 losers; one guy wins, everybody else is tied for last. That's the way it works" -- Mark Cuban
by TheRiot Police on Nov 7, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
My daughter and I watched Shrek yesterday for the first time in a couple of years and I kept thinking Lord Farquard looked familiar.
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 7, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Farqud
double clutched a lot too…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Nov 7, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Nov 7, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The curtain falls..
“I don’t say he’s a great man. Micah Hoffpauir never made a lot of money. His name was never in the paper. He’s not the finest character that ever lived. But he’s a human being, and a terrible thing is happening to him. So attention must be paid. He’s not to be allowed to fall into his retirement like an old dog. Attention, attention must be finally paid to such an outfielder.”
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Nov 6, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"Death of a Journeyman"?
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 6, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Peavy comes, there HAS to be a trade for a left-handed bat.
As well, that could potentially give the Cubs one of the most badass bullpens in the National League. If Wood remains a Cub, and if Guzman continues to pitch as dominant as he’s been in the Winter League, Cubs pitching will be a baad thing for opposing teams. The bullpen would have Guzman, Marmol, Samardzija, and Wood.
by NittanyCub on Nov 6, 2008 1:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
With that pitching staff, if Guzman does stay strong
3 runs a game might do it . . .
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 6, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It'll probably be Cotts.
He’s good, I guess; never really been much of a fan.
by NittanyCub on Nov 6, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TRADE for a left handed bat????????
the answer is in the post above
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Nov 7, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wood
if wood really wants to stay he,ll take a 2 year.if he does,nt im sure every cub fan will wish him well.he,s old school and he,s shown that by staying.but family comes 1st and you do what you have to do.i,ve said it before 3 postseason visits in 6 years and 40thousand adoring fans everyday. i,d stay.
by NOMAR on Nov 8, 2008 4:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Would you waive your "no capital letters" clause to stay?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 10, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ZING!
There’s a few caps for you Daver! :)
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Nov 10, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well if we get peavy, which is hope, what is so bad about signing adam dunn putting him in left, moving sori to center, and keeping fuku in right with reed platooning somewhere in the with fuku, i know reed doesnt play right but why cant he is we need him to
by mattpsu on Nov 10, 2008 11:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
NOMAR? is that you?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 11, 2008 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good grief, man write legibly. I realize tha blogging has spawned a new type of writing, but allow
us the pleasure of being able to understand your thoughts. Complete sentences and capitization is not out of style here.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 11, 2008 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The spawn of NOMAR.
Here lemme try:
well to answer your question the cubs tried playing soriano in center early in 07 and he wasn’t comfortable there so i dont think youll ever see alfonso play anywhere other than left field in a cubs uniform, im actually open to the idea of signing adam dunn and gambling on his poor defense in right field only because i think he could easily hit 40 home runs for the cubs and lou could switch him out for a defensive replacement late in games and oh my god i cant stop typing because there is no punctuation to tell me to stoop and i think im going to pull a tendon in my hand and ow ow ow there it goes hellllllllllllp
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 11, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 11, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not enuf, apostrophe,s
or, comma,s or whatever those little slanty thingys are, it really is a lot faster to type without using the shift key,s and just typing on an on but anyway, i would like dunn,s 40 home run,s over dome,s 9 or so and if sori is in centerfield he could cover most of rightfield if he get,s a good jump on the ball and doesn,t hot dog it like he does sometime,s and then we could put someone else in leftfield let,s see, who would that be, maybe ken griffey or bowser from shananana, na it that enough na,s you get my drift right i,m just trying to string a few words together, maybe entertain you but i,m certain the lead singer from the kingsman didn,t know the words to that song louey louou
Tommie Agee was out.
"This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that was once good, and it could be good again." TM
by Weeghman Park on Nov 11, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm going to be sick.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 11, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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