2008 SB Nation MVP Awards
by Al Yellon on Nov 6, 2008 1:00 PM CST
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PrintI don't think there are any big surprises here; I suspect our balloting will come pretty close to matching the BBWAA awards
.In order for the tables to fit better, you'll have to click "Continue reading this post" to find them. For MVP's, we voted for the top 10 instead of the top 3, and points were allocated as follows: 14 points for first place, then 9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 for 2nd through 9th.
My ballot: 1) Pujols 2) Wright 3) Beltran 4) Howard 5) A. Ramirez 6) Berkman 7) H. Ramirez 8) Braun 9) Delgado 10) Soto
Mike's ballot: 1) Howard 2) Pujols 3) Wright 4) Berkman 5) Delgado 6) Braun 7) Utley 8) H. Ramirez 9) A. Ramirez 10) Soto
| National League | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th | Points |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Albert Pujols | 13 | 4 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 218 |
| Lance Berkman | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 4 | - | 1 | - | 113 |
| Hanley Ramirez | - | 4 | 1 | 3 | 2 | - | 1 | 1 | 1 | - | 86 |
| David Wright | - | 1 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 3 | - | 1 | 95 |
| Chipper Jones | - | 1 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 5 | - | - | - | - | 85 |
| Ryan Howard | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | - | - | 1 | - | - | 1 | 71 |
| Chase Utley | - | 1 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 2 | 2 | - | 2 | 1 | 71 |
| Ryan Braun | - | - | 1 | 3 | - | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 51 |
| Carlos Beltran | - | - | 3 | - | - | - | - | 3 | 1 | 1 | 36 |
| Manny Ramirez | - | 1 | - | 1 | 1 | - | 1 | - | - | 1 | 27 |
| Matt Holliday | - | - | - | - | 1 | 2 | - | - | 4 | - | 24 |
| CC Sabathia | - | 2 | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | 1 | 23 |
| Carlos Delgado | - | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | - | 1 | 1 | - | 21 |
| Aramis Ramirez | - | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | - | - | 1 | 2 | 19 |
| Ryan Ludwick | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 17 |
| Jose Reyes | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 2 | 1 | - | - | 8 |
| Brad Lidge | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | - | - | - | 8 |
| Carlos Lee | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 1 | - | 6 |
| Pat Burrell | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 1 | 4 |
| Brian McCann | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 1 | 4 |
| Prince Fielder | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 1 | 4 |
| Stephen Drew | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | 3 |
| Geovany Soto | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | 2 |
| Tim Lincecum | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 2 |
| Brian Giles | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | 1 |
| American League | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th | Points |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dustin Pedroia | 5 | 3 | 4 | 2 | 1 | - | - | 2 | - | - | 155 |
| Joe Mauer | 2 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | - | - | 109 |
| Grady Sizemore | 5 | 2 | - | - | 1 | 1 | - | 1 | 2 | - | 106 |
| Kevin Youkilis | 2 | - | 2 | 3 | 1 | 4 | - | 1 | 2 | - | 98 |
| Alex Rodriguez | 2 | 1 | 4 | - | 4 | - | - | - | 1 | 1 | 96 |
| Josh Hamilton | 1 | 1 | - | 3 | 3 | 1 | 1 | - | 1 | - | 73 |
| Justin Morneau | 1 | 3 | 1 | 1 | - | 1 | - | - | - | 2 | 63 |
| Carlos Quentin | - | - | 2 | 2 | - | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | - | 58 |
| Carlos Pena | - | 1 | - | - | - | 3 | 1 | 1 | - | - | 31 |
| Cliff Lee | - | 1 | - | - | 2 | - | - | 1 | - | - | 24 |
| Milton Bradley | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 23 |
| Aubrey Huff | - | - | - | 1 | - | 1 | - | 1 | - | 2 | 17 |
| Roy Halladay | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | - | 1 | 1 | - | 13 |
| Miguel Cabrera | - | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | - | 1 | 12 |
| Evan Longoria | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | 1 | 2 | 10 |
| B. J. Upton | - | 1 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 9 |
| Ian Kinsler | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 2 | - | 8 |
| Francisco Rodriguez | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | 1 | - | 5 |
| Alexei Ramirez | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | 4 |
| Brian Roberts | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | 4 |
| Vladimir Guerrero | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | 4 |
| Jim Thome | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | 4 |
| Nick Markakis | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | 2 |
| Joe Nathan | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | 1 |
| Jermaine Dye | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | 1 |
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Howard's Strange Vote Total
He got the second most first place votes in the NL but finished tied for sixth. That’s strange.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
Because he hardly got any other votes at all.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Why Is That?
By my count, there were 17 voters total. 9 out of the 17 didn’t have Howard in the top 10. What were those 9 thinking? 3 of the 8 that did vote for him gave him a first place nod. I’m glad that you, at least, gave him a fourth place vote and didn’t forget him altogether. For the record, I would have given him a second place vote. We agree that Pujols should be the MVP.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
I put Howard fourth.
I thought that was about right.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Howard shouldnt be any higher than 4th
He didnt show up until the 2nd half and still ended up striking out 200 times and batting what .230 or so? I think an MVP needs to be there for his team throughout the whole season.
-clarknaddison
by clarknaddison on Nov 6, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
For the record...
I was the Ryan Howard 7th place vote.
And the Brad Lidge 4th place vote.
Howard may have been the fifth most “valuable” player on his own team.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
WHY CAN'T US?
One wonders...
…if, should Albert Pujols win the NL MVP award, he will stand by his comments from a couple years back and reject it on the basis that his team did not make the postseason.
I suspect he may go ahead and accept it "for the good of the franchise".
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he'll accept it and give it away to charity.
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
I would LOVE to have a press pass for that press conference
I would make sure he was asked about it.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #14 7-2 (3-2). Next up K-State. Chase Coffman is a god.
My response would be...
Go to hell. That was when I lost. Now I won it. You don’t like it, go shove a lead pipe in your booty. I’m rich. You’re not. You suck.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
So how long have you been working in PR?
"I see I'm not the only one around here who can't hold his water." - Last words of the leaky pipe in the visiting team dugout, Dodger Stadium, October 4, 2008.
I'm sure the Cards PR staff
Would accidentally swallow their tongues in shock.
But I’d love to see it happen.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
What exactly did Brian Giles do to get a vote?
Sold his surf board to the voter?
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Maybe it was from a Red Sox fan who didn't want him and felt he helped the team by refusing the deal
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I like this theory
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
It's so nice to see a player leave a team on such good terms.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Pujols doesn't win it
They should take all the writers outside and beat them severely with a baseball bat.
There is no other choice. The only reason the Cardinals were relevant in September is Pujols.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
+1
This one should be a runaway.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Nov 6, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
No Manny Ramirez?
Interesting.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
Friendly disagree
I really think you and Mike did Hanley a disservice, Al. I surely do not think Braun or Delgado should AT ALL be higher than Hanley, and and Wright/Beltran argument are almost a wash in the stats department. I might throw up some comparison stats here tonight. Hanley plays a harder position and is just about the only leader on that Marlins team.
Or manybe it’s my man-crush on Han-Ram.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
I admit...
… that I may have put Aramis a bit higher than he deserved. I do think Soto deserved a 10th place vote.
You can put up all the statistical comparisons you want, but the vote isn’t for “Statistical Best Player Of The Year”. It’s for “Most Valuable Player” — and in my opinion, that allows for subjective criteria as well as statistics.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
You can put up all the statistical comparisons you want, but the vote isn’t for "Statistical Best Player Of The Year". It’s for "Most Valuable Player" — and in my opinion, that allows for subjective criteria as well as statistics.
And this is why I think Hanley was much more valuable to his team than Delgado, Wright, Braun, or Beltran. The Mets have so many weapons they didn’t really plan on seeing the level of production they actually got out of Carlos, for instance. Braun I could see a case for, but Hanley was damn near the only player on the Marlins that was scary.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
I can see your argument about Delgado...
… but without Wright or Beltran, the Mets are pretty much the Nationals.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Albert Pujols is hands down winner in 2008
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Reggie Dunlop: They brought their f***in' TOYS with 'em!
McGrath: Well, I'd rather have em playin with their toys than playin with themselves.
Reggie Dunlop: They're too dumb to play with themselves. Boy, every piece of garbage that comes into the market and you gotta buy it!
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