Wednesday Winter Meetings Rumormongering And Factchecking
It's midweek at the Winter Meetings and as of yet, the Cubs have made no deals. Tomorrow is the Rule 5 draft and since the Cubs have, at the moment, four open 40-man roster spots, it wouldn't surprise me if they picked someone.
In the meantime, here's a quick update on the hottest Cub (and a couple of other) rumors.
Jake Peavy? Maybe. First, Marquis has to go, no easy task. In any case, Bruce Miles says, don't expect this to happen this week. Jayson Stark agrees. Oh, and that "Go Cubs Go" Peavy story? Nonsense. No mention of that here:
While in Vegas, Peavy had more fun than the people trying to work out his trade. He saw two country music concerts, went to the rodeo and attended Greg Maddux's retirement announcement.
Milton Bradley? Possibly. (Ugh.) Also from that link, the "Cubs might trade Z" rumor mentioned there is false, as is the Mark DeRosa to the Phillies talk, and Rafael Furcal might become a Royal. (!) Or a Blue Jay. (Or is that just a negotiating ploy?)
Kerry Wood? His soon-to-be-signed two-year deal with the Indians might include a third option year.
CC Sabathia? Despite all the talk that he wanted to stay in the NL because he likes to hit, he's apparently going to sign with the Yankees.
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I'd rather Sabathia go to the AL so we don't have to face him
during the season (maybe once in a blue moon during interleague play)
I’d like to keep DeRosa but if he goes in a deal for Peavy that’s a good deal, it’d probably be worth it. Rather trade for DeJesus or pick up Abreu than get Bradley or Teahan.
Let the days rumormongering begin! Woo Woo
"It's probably similar to being in New York City and having a cab driver behind you and you're driving too slow. It's not the most pleasant thing."
Barry Sanders, on what defensive backs who played against him compared him to.
by Jettero2112 on
Dec 10, 2008 8:28 AM CST
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Please don't say "Woo Woo" here.
I’m sure you understand why.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 8:34 AM CST
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agreed
you can drink yoohoo, check your yahoo, cry boohoo over (pick one) Maddog retiring, Wood leaving, Santo getting screwed…
heck, even the politically correct crowd would rather hear a cheer for Chief Wahoo than to see any mention of “W— W—”.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on
Dec 10, 2008 8:45 AM CST
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Which brings me to one of my favourite
Big Dogs T-shirts:
“If you You Tube myspace I’ll Google your Yahoo!”
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on
Dec 10, 2008 8:51 AM CST
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Because that would be a boo-boo!
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Dec 10, 2008 2:07 PM CST
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whats the deal
with the woo woo thing if I may ask. I dont get it just asking please dont flame me!
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on
Dec 10, 2008 9:34 PM CST
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he's the worst embodiment of cubdom
and on a fundamental level i feel like he’s being taken advantage of.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Dec 10, 2008 10:17 PM CST
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No, he's not being taken advantage of.
He’s a self-promoter who’s “all about him”. Don’t EVER feel sorry for that idiot.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 11, 2008 10:25 AM CST
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who
are yall talking about??
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on
Dec 11, 2008 4:35 PM CST
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This guy.
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on
Dec 11, 2008 9:25 PM CST
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why are you
calling him an "idiot""
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on
Dec 11, 2008 9:37 PM CST
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Because he’s loud and obnoxious and gives the rest of Cubdom a bad public image. Here. Or here. Or here. FOR HOURS AND HOURS ON END.
Now please excuse me. I need to clean my ears out with an icepick.
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on
Dec 11, 2008 9:45 PM CST
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Sorry, it was not intentional...
…just an appellation of excitement for the coming days festivities.
"It's probably similar to being in New York City and having a cab driver behind you and you're driving too slow. It's not the most pleasant thing."
Barry Sanders, on what defensive backs who played against him compared him to.
by Jettero2112 on
Dec 10, 2008 8:50 AM CST
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BTW, SBNation should
add a function so users can go back and edit their posts. Just a thought.
"It's probably similar to being in New York City and having a cab driver behind you and you're driving too slow. It's not the most pleasant thing."
Barry Sanders, on what defensive backs who played against him compared him to.
by Jettero2112 on
Dec 10, 2008 8:53 AM CST
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Not being able to edit comments is intentional.
They’re supposed to be “in the moment” ideas or thoughts. FanPosts — those, you can edit (or delete).
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 8:54 AM CST
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I think you should have a time limit.
1 or 5 minutes. It would make replying to yourself for spelling or other errors much, much easier.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Dec 10, 2008 9:21 AM CST
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That's why there's a preview button.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 9:24 AM CST
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Preview button didn't help with my first post
Must have been because the dang coffee machine is broken here. A bunch of zombies walking around the office….
"It's probably similar to being in New York City and having a cab driver behind you and you're driving too slow. It's not the most pleasant thing."
Barry Sanders, on what defensive backs who played against him compared him to.
by Jettero2112 on
Dec 10, 2008 9:44 AM CST
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the face of evil was at the bears game
they showed him in the freezing wind against the jags whispering to himself.
it was hilarioius.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Dec 10, 2008 9:57 AM CST
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speaking of which...
did you see Ronnie at the Bears game on Sunday? They showed him at least once with a Cubs jersey over his coat.
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on
Dec 10, 2008 10:58 AM CST
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when i saw him
he was whispering “bears woo” to himself.
it was hi-larry-us.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Dec 10, 2008 11:09 AM CST
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If this Peavy deal doesn't get done i'll be extremely upset.
Not so much because I think he is neccessary to win next year, but because of the countless hours of life I have wasted over the past week pressing refresh on my computer.
by Juiceboxjerry on
Dec 10, 2008 8:28 AM CST
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Now, here's someone with the right perspective on this deal.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 8:34 AM CST
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So says the man...
Posting daily Peavy updates.
by Damen Jackson on
Dec 10, 2008 8:52 AM CST
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Me?
Since when do I post daily Peavy updates?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 8:55 AM CST
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Well, at a quick glance..
You reference the latest Peavy rumors here, parodied the Peavy rumors yesterday, he was brought up in the Kenney interview, and I believe you’ve posted at least two Fan Posts yourself within the last week discussing the rumors explicitly.
So, perhaps not daily, but quite frequently, to be sure.
by Damen Jackson on
Dec 10, 2008 8:59 AM CST
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Well, let's see.
That’s one post about rumors (today), one post where Crane Kenney (not me) mentioned him (in passing), two posts “within the last week”, and one parody.
That’s hardly “daily updates”.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 9:02 AM CST
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Well, that WOULD be five posts within the last week...
I’d call that pretty regular (or quite frequently) as DJ rephrased. And I’d say it’s pretty close to daily as well.
by SouthernCub on
Dec 10, 2008 9:07 AM CST
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And actually, it's not.
Yesterday’s humor post was mostly about Hendry, mentioned Peavy in passing.
The Kenney interview contained ONE mention of Peavy, in passing.
Over the six days before I mentioned Peavy once, in last Friday’s “Christmas” post. I hardly think that’s overdoing it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 9:38 AM CST
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I think you're parcing here...
as I definitely took the Hendry post to be a reference to the ongoing Peavy discussions (otherwise why else would it be funny?).
And no one said you’re overdoing it. Just that you’ve brought it up frequently.
But whatever, it’s not that big a deal to me.
by SouthernCub on
Dec 10, 2008 9:43 AM CST
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I've tried to post about it only when I see new information...
… or, as you say, to make fun of how much it’s been discussed.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 9:47 AM CST
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That's fine...
but that does contradict the idea of arguing that it is overdiscussed, as poking fun at it encourages more discussion.
Again, I don’t really care. I think it provides a nice outlet for talking about the Cubs during the winter months.
by SouthernCub on
Dec 10, 2008 9:49 AM CST
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/Scratching head
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:53 AM CST
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Hey, it's no matter to me...
either way. It’s just you’ve now shared your opinion on Peavy in some form for four straight days, while at the same time describing the topic as overdiscussed.
by Damen Jackson on
Dec 10, 2008 9:08 AM CST
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And that's from the same man
who said to put the rumors to rest because “It’s not happening.”
by lamentir on
Dec 10, 2008 11:03 AM CST
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A better perspective would be...
1) not wasting so much time worrying about whether or not the deal happens; or
2) realizing that you actually ENJOY discussing these things (otherwise you wouldn’t waste so much time).
If the deal would help the Cubs and doesn’t go down, I’ll be more upset that it didn’t go down. If it wouldn’t help the Cubs, I would be happy it didn’t go down. Either way, I’m getting to speculate about my Cubs.
Granted, I wouldn’t recommend swaying breathlessly with every rumor. But I think it’s fun to actually discuss the possibilities and don’t understand why people get so worked up about the length of the talks. It’s the offseason – if the talks didn’t linger, we’d just find other inane ways to waste time talking about the Cubs.
by SouthernCub on
Dec 10, 2008 8:53 AM CST
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It's definitely a way to pass the time
while the S-N-O-W is outside!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Dec 10, 2008 2:52 PM CST
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7 years, $160 million
That’s what ESPN is reporting as the deal CC is signing with the Yankees. Good luck with that deal boys, especially when he needs Tommy John surgery this year or next.
Ned Yost will be laughing…wherever he is when that happens.
Demp and Rich: proof that people that live in igloos and say "eh" can contibute!
by Canadian Cubs Fan on
Dec 10, 2008 8:38 AM CST
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Why would Ned Yost be laughing?
Did anyone truly think Milwaukee had a chance to resign him? Sabathia did what Milwaukee needed him to do last year—pitched them to the playoffs. Playoffs that Ned Yost only saw on TV.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on
Dec 10, 2008 8:47 AM CST
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Because Ned Yost is laughing all the time...Or smirking at least...Like a jagbag.

Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:16 AM CST
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The Steinbrenners never learn....
To the best that I can tell, they were bidding against themselves — again.
He wasn’t going to stay in Milwaukee, the California clubs weren’t biting, so what? You give the most overwworked pitcher in baseball a seven-year deal.
Crazy.
by Damen Jackson on
Dec 10, 2008 8:50 AM CST
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...and they're asking the taxpayers
to foot even more cash for their new stadium. Beautiful….
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on
Dec 10, 2008 8:52 AM CST
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Welcome to the new age of the Steinbrenners!
What recession?
by lamentir on
Dec 10, 2008 11:03 AM CST
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Meh -
The one team where a contract of this size will not Schmidt/Zito the payroll. The better question is how much better will Sabathia be than Mussina’s 2008. Can’t be too great considering the year Mussina had, so CC’s addition doesn’t radically improve the Yankees. I’m okay with that.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
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Dec 10, 2008 8:56 AM CST
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Milton Bradley
He can’t play the field anymore. His knees are shot. Regardless of anything else — his attitude, his inability to stay healthy — putting him right field with Soriano in left will be a disaster.
Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?
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Dec 10, 2008 8:55 AM CST
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"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 8:57 AM CST
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I struggle with the three big ticket options being discussed for RF.
Bradley – All true as outlined by 3744. The positive is his bat when healthy and less cost than..
Ibanez – Older, more of a DH, terrible in the field, expensive, will cost a high draft pick.
Dunn – Horrible in LF, let alone RF, requires large multi-year commitment.
I, for one, don’t believe Hoffpauer or Pie have proven they can hit in the majors, but given their cost structure and the other options, am starting to believe they are a better opening day solution than the three above. Other moves could always be made later.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:06 AM CST
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You may be right...
But Piniella doesn’t agree with you and Hendry won’t stand up to Piniella on Pie. So it’s a moot point. We’re going to get one of those other guys.
by SouthernCub on
Dec 10, 2008 9:08 AM CST
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My take
Jim wants Ibanez.
Lou wants Abreu.
They’d be glad if Hermida was available.
Bradley’s a fall-back option if they need to go cheaper.
Dunn’s not really on the radar.
Because there are so many options here, I think the way to do this is to keep a healthy trade rumor going about someone, and wait for the other three to sign – see if there’s still a market for the last one and see if you can get a good deal.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:16 AM CST
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Hoff?
You want Hoff to be the opening day RF? I might rather have Michael Tucker…
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:17 AM CST
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What I want? That has nothing to do with Winter Meetings.
I want to start the season with a RJ/Pie platoon in CF, a winter re-worked Dome in RF and Hoff on the Bench. DeRosa at 2b and money spent on a quality field/bat SS.
I thought 2008 starting pitching was more than good enough and would prefer better bullpen options than Gregg/Shark to get to Marmol.
Pie/Dome can be re-thought after the season gets going.
Like at home, what I want doesn’t usually matter.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:36 AM CST
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But you would prefer Hoff to Ibanez/Bradley/Dunn...
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:40 AM CST
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I would be okay with a gamble on the health/age of
Ibanez/Bradley with a short contract, if so much wasn’t already tied up in Soriano and Dome or would be okay with the defense of Dunn if LF was open. The Cubs already have a multi-year expensive, poor fielding (good throwing) guy in LF. There is no need for Dunn to be the mirror image in RF.
I want a team in annual contention and believe the combination of one dimensional players, big dollar commitments, aging players, 10/5 rights and no trade clauses, and a talent depleted farm system is a recipe for long boring summers.
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:54 AM CST
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But as we are experiencing now,
they can make for rumor-filled, repetitive, frustrating offseasons!!! I think we can both agree on that :)
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:55 AM CST
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We HAVE enough outfielders.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Dec 10, 2008 10:41 AM CST
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I want Fukudome in RF on opening day...
after he’s torn up Spring Training. (then RJ and Pie mixin’ it up in CF)
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by digitalbenjamin on
Dec 10, 2008 11:00 AM CST
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I totally agree with this plan.
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.
by deadcatbounce on
Dec 10, 2008 11:13 AM CST
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Especially if Johnson/Fukudome is in CF...
That’s an average defensive CF with two below-average defensive corner OF.
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Dec 10, 2008 9:00 AM CST
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BCB is the only place ...
where Bradley’s ability to play right is being strongly questioned. At least, I haven’t seen such questioning anywhere else.
I agree that there’s no great option out there (though a lot of us were wrong in thinking that Fukudome was a great option a year ago). I’ll grant the point that Bradley isn’t going to be very good in right, but the other options (Abreu, Ibanez, Dunn) wouldn’t be, either.
Given that Hoff and Pie are not serious options in the minds of Lou and Hendry, I’m OK with Bradley among the free-agent possibilities — mainly because he’ll be the cheapest option.
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Dec 10, 2008 9:32 AM CST
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I live in Dallas. ...
… and I watched Bradley butcher the outfield last year. He can’t get to anything anymore. You think Soriano lets balls drop in front of him? Wait until you see Bradley do it.
Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?
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Dec 10, 2008 9:36 AM CST
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assuming you're right ...
and I’m not questioning YOU, why isn’t this point being mentioned in ANY news stories — Sun-Times, Trib, ESPN …
by elgato on
Dec 10, 2008 9:38 AM CST
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Yeah
One of them, I think it was either Sullivan or Miles, was saying Bradley could even play CF for the Cubs.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on
Dec 10, 2008 9:39 AM CST
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It was Sullivan
Now, that doesn’t mean squat because Sullivan might be the least insightful of the Cubs beat writers. But the concern hasn’t been mentioned by Gordo or Bruce.
by elgato on
Dec 10, 2008 9:40 AM CST
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I assumed he was running with a hint from a Cubs source
that Bradley could platoon with RJ in center and Dome in right. Not that he thought it up all by himself. But, he might have.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on
Dec 10, 2008 9:46 AM CST
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I have a hard time believing Bradley could play center
But that’s based mostly on the things I’ve heard on BCB. Who knows?
by elgato on
Dec 10, 2008 9:48 AM CST
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I have a hard time believing Bradley can stay healthy enough...
I think he’d be a capable RF if he could stay healthy. But he’s never come close to staying healthy.
by SouthernCub on
Dec 10, 2008 12:14 PM CST
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Per Baseball Reference
Milton played 19 games in right and one in left last year. He was DH in 97. He hasn’t played center field since regularly since 2005. I’d find the links in the Dallas-area papers, but I actually have work to do today.
Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?
by 3744nsheffield on
Dec 10, 2008 9:49 AM CST
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two points
1) Just because he didn’t play much right doesn’t mean he couldn’t play right better than Abreu, Ibanez, etc.
2) I ask this not to be a jerk, but out of curiosity. Would the Dallas papers talk about his defensive problems, or just that he wasn’t the best option to play the field given the Rangers’ other players?
by elgato on
Dec 10, 2008 9:51 AM CST
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In spring training,
the Rangers were going to try and use Bradley in the outfield. They weren’t sure what Hamilton could do, given his health, and the rest of the outfield was David Murphy, Frank Cattalantto, Marlon Byrd and Brandon Boggs. But Bradley showed up late because of the knees, and that was that. Whether he is worse than Ibanez, etc. is like trying to figure out if a broken arm is worth than a broken leg. They’re both bad.
Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?
by 3744nsheffield on
Dec 10, 2008 10:12 AM CST
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I'm wondering about the health of his knee.
He’s now a year removed from the reconstructive surgery and I wonder if his mobility for next season will be better than last year. I’m not sure how the recovery from knee surgery works.
I’ve never had any major leg problems or know anyone else that has so I was wondering for any insight anyone else has.
Hey, it's a new century!
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Dec 10, 2008 2:56 PM CST
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Gameboard has actually had more problems with his "other" knee.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on
Dec 10, 2008 6:02 PM CST
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yeah....
I’d hate it if the cubs added the guy who led the AL in OBP last year and nearly won the batting title, while stealing bases and hitting homers, who happens to be left handed, while we have felix pie on the bench waiting to replace him if he gets injured…………………………
bring up felix.
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Dec 10, 2008 9:59 AM CST
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yes because offense is the only thing that matters
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Dec 10, 2008 10:03 AM CST
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Bradley's 2008 numbers were far above his career norms.
And most of them were put up as a DH. We don’t need a DH.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 10:11 AM CST
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All these options seem suited to DH
Bradley, Dunn, Ibanez and Abreu all have significant issues. Trying to fit the square peg in the round hole might not work in this instance.
If another option can’t be found (i.e., the Cubs can’t trade for Hermida), I’m fine starting the year with Soriano-Johnson/Pie-Fukudome across the outfield.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Dec 10, 2008 10:18 AM CST
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I'm fine with that too.
Now, all we have to do is convince Lou.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 10:20 AM CST
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Hopefully Pie could do that
this winter and if he’s still around in the spring.
Or walk around with signs asking for this during the Cubs Convention.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Dec 10, 2008 10:29 AM CST
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If we can find someone available at the trade deadline
that’d be fine with me too.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Dec 10, 2008 10:26 AM CST
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Bradley is exactly what we need
OK so he won’t make anyone forget Roberto Clemente out in right field. But that’s true of virtually all of the Cubs other options as well. Abreu, Hawpe, Dunn (especially in right), Ibanez…they all play poor defense. Bradley can hit the damn baseball, he’s a switch-hitter, and he actually has a personality and life to him. Hopefully, his violent, troubled days are past him. If so, he’d be worth a 2-3 year gamble. True, he may have had his best year and Rangers ballpark is a hitters paradise…but that .370 career OBP is for real.
by rememberthecoop on
Dec 10, 2008 4:26 PM CST
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Bradley is actually an above average fielder when healthy
but don’t tell anyone else that- they use player character heavily in their defensive metrics
by philadelphiacub on
Dec 10, 2008 8:53 PM CST
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however
that’s two straight years of and average over .300, on-base over .400 and slugging over .500 and its also the third time he’s done it in his career. There is no reason to suggest that after coming into his prime he’s all of a sudden going to drop down to what, his 2005 numbers of .290 .350 .484 OPS+ of 118. Even if he drops to his career numbers, those are still solid at .280 .370 .457 118. We have fallback options, and he perfectly fits our needs.
bring up felix.
by kylejo on
Dec 10, 2008 7:23 PM CST
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Now that CC's signed, this pitchers market will start to move.
And that only helps us in trying to unload Marquis.
However, what if we kept Marquis and traded Zambrano (assuming a Peavy acquisition first)? Yes, the rumor was debunked but smoke may mean fire. Z has a NTC and will want to play in the NL for a team that seems likely to win.
I like what we could get from the Dodgers – but how much wider would Z’s market be? Maybe we could talk a Z-Beltran swap.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:01 AM CST
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Why would the pitchers market "start to move" because of this?
This isn’t a fantasy league draft where you have a run on closers or something. This is reality, where a lot of teams don’t have $100 million plus to spend this year. There’s a economic meltdown going on, if you hadn’t noticed. Even the NFL had to lay off some workers yesterday.
Apart from CC, this is going to be a sloooooooooow offseason.
Oh, and the Cubs aren’t trading Z.
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by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 9:04 AM CST
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I love the fantasty football run on
TE’s…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:17 AM CST
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Two reasons
Most importantly, other pitchers were waiting for CC to sign and set the market.
Some clubs were looking at CC; they now move to other options.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:18 AM CST
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I still maintain this market is different from previous years because of the economy.
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by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 9:20 AM CST
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When I looked at the K-Rod deal
I thought – “He got as much money as I’d expect if there wasn’t the specter of economic crisis; it was the year that got knocked off his deal.”
Anyway, I wasn’t predicting a run or anything. It’s just that CC signing is what was necessary before the rest of the pitchers started moving themselves.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:23 AM CST
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I think the market does start to move a bit...
…because guys like Burnett and Lowe will know they’re not going to the Yankees and will find the next-best offer they can get.
by cwyers on
Dec 10, 2008 11:03 AM CST
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NY might go after both
According to Crasnick:
The Yankees’ interest in Burnett is not contingent upon their discussions with CC Sabathia. New York is sufficiently in need of starting pitching that the team is prepared to take on both salaries if it works out that way.
This Heyman article seems to agree…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 11:08 AM CST
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I've seen the same thing
They will likely go after Burnett and Lowe with the goal of getting one of them. There might be a bit of pressure now on the pitchers knowing that only one will get a big Yankee contract. Each pitcher has other options like Burnett and the Braves but the Yankees offer will probably be the highest.
by rlpete on
Dec 10, 2008 11:11 AM CST
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I think it'd be harder to upgrade the roster...
if you’re moving Zambrano. Hendry’s MO has seemed to be "make improvements where possible without taking steps backwards elsewhere. He’s dealt marginal players to make upgrades. It minimizes the negative risk. Trading Marquis to clear salary space would follow that same line of thinking. Trading Zambrano, on the other hand, would be a big risk of the negative side. That hasn’t been Hendry’s style.
by SouthernCub on
Dec 10, 2008 9:04 AM CST
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Good point.
However, if you look at trading for Peavy and trading away Z as a wash, or as a small upgrade for the Cubs, then the improvement comes from the other balances of that trade. i.e. let’s say we can trade Z for Beltran – would you trade Vitters, Pie, Marshall, Cedeno, and Hart for Beltran and 6 M?
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:26 AM CST
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I probably would, but...
That would require a lot of shuffling. I doubt Hendry would want to make that much change to a team that won 97 games last year (for whatever that’s worth).
by SouthernCub on
Dec 10, 2008 9:47 AM CST
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The Cubs could have good motivation to move Zambrano
given his declining peripherals, if only they could replace him with another ace.
Yeah, it’s a lot of shuffling as we’re seeing.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:49 AM CST
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We haven't seen any shuffling...
that would be shuffling KEY pieces. The discussion to this point is shuffling MARGINAL pieces. That’s a big difference.
And what makes you think Piniella and Hendry are cognizant of Zambrano’s declining peripherals and how they matter?
by SouthernCub on
Dec 10, 2008 9:51 AM CST
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We haven't seen the shuffling
but we’ve seen how hard it is to organize a 3/4 team trade while you also have to dump Marquis. I’m suggesting this might actually get easier if you don’t have to dump Marquis, but instead, swap Z.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:52 AM CST
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But it doesn't necessarily make you any better off...
and it requires just as much willingness from the other teams involved. I think it’s six of one, half dozen of the other.
by SouthernCub on
Dec 10, 2008 9:57 AM CST
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I just don't see that happening
If the Peavy deal has proven anything, it’s that it’s insanely hard to move expensive pitchers with no-trade clauses.
And besides, what’s the marginal benefit of getting Peavy and then dumping Z?
by Wreckard on
Dec 10, 2008 10:23 AM CST
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Keeping in mind this is all baseless speculation anyway...
um, the benefit would be adding Carlos Beltran instead of Raul Ibanez. The benefit would be swapping an ace who appears to be on the decline for a lower-priced ace.
I’m talking about doing this:
Big Vittery (no DeRosa) package for Peavy
Zambrano for Beltan
So basically, I’m saying, “Maybe this is how we get our lefty thumper.”
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 11:06 AM CST
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I'm sorry DGU, but
any offseason outfield roster work that adds speed, defense, power, and average to the roster has no place during these winter meeting threads.
This space is reserved for high priced talent with huge flaws.
by N Oakley on
Dec 10, 2008 11:09 AM CST
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If you look at an aging curve and think about it for a second...
…it should become apparent why you can’t get a lot of speed on the free agent market.
by cwyers on
Dec 10, 2008 11:11 AM CST
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I'm witch ya.
I actually like DGU’s concept.
by N Oakley on
Dec 10, 2008 11:13 AM CST
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With obnoxious agents that have bad attitudes.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Dec 10, 2008 11:11 AM CST
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You're going off the deep end again
Beltran isn’t available. And if the Mets wanted a high-priced starting pitcher they’d just go out and get one on the free agent market, the opportunity cost would be lower.
You wouldn’t get a Beltran-like bounty for Z anyway, given his salary. You’re overestimating his trade value.
by Wreckard on
Dec 10, 2008 11:51 AM CST
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So, if DeRosa's not going to Philly...
what might Philly get from us to get them to move their pitching prospect?
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:04 AM CST
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they can have Theriot.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Dec 10, 2008 10:45 AM CST
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Quick Question
a topic of discussion this morning in my office: Would you rather have the Cubs win a World Series with a team full of people with character issues (i.e Milton Bradley) but win one anyhow or continue to wait for the stars to align with some homegrown talent and solid inserts like the DeRosas of the world?
I know this is totally hypothetical but the thought of signing a Milton Bradley to a team with no DeRosa (due to trade rumors involving a certain pitcher) got me to thinking about what is the true value of a Cubs World Series winner to the fans out there.
by cubbot on
Dec 10, 2008 9:08 AM CST
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Of course we all want to win.
Beyond the obvious problems of Bradley, I don’t see him as “the answer” to the question, “What player(s) can win the WS for the Cubs?”
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by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 9:20 AM CST
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Umm....I would like them to win. No matter what.
As far as Bradley is concerned, according to the Trib this morning:
Another scout believes Bradley would be the ideal addition to the Cubs because of his talent and his personality, saying “he’d make that team a lot of fun.”
So honestly, he may not be a GREAT guy, but who says the Cubs would have a “team full of character issues.” I don’t think anyone wants to “wait for the stars to align.” Win. Now. Period.
But who says Bradley gets the Cubs there- a LH bat is only one piece of the puzzle. That doesn’t guarantee success.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:21 AM CST
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"Another scout".
Does that mean the rest of the scouts agree that he’d be a cancer?
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by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 9:24 AM CST
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No, but it's a perspective against the generalization that
bringing in Bradley (or any player with a checkered past) would lead to the DEMISE of the team. Look at Rodman with the Bulls- he got out of San Antonio, and, barring a few bumps along the road, was embraced by the city. And was a big part of the Bulls success. Someone like Bradley (although I wish it wasn’t HIM because of his limitations and injury history) might not be the WORST thing in the world for this team.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:27 AM CST
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+1
Lets also not forget that communication and building relationships on a team takes both sides. A guy might be a negative influence with one group of guys and flourish with another. If he is signed, while I’m not a big fan, I would hope that the group of players we have on the team would make “being a clubhouse cancer” difficult. Heck if anything maybe he can channel some of that passion into positive results.
by StevenABQ on
Dec 10, 2008 9:31 AM CST
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Also, none of his troubles have been with teammates
Only with fans and umpires. The Cubs have a lot of veterans to keep him in check, if it’s even needed.
by dr stabbingworth on
Dec 10, 2008 9:34 AM CST
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He had trouble with Jeff Kent.
But Kent had his own troubles with other players.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:35 AM CST
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I wouldn't use Kent as a measuring stick
he’s a DH, and I don’t mean the AL roster holder…
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on
Dec 10, 2008 9:53 AM CST
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"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Dec 10, 2008 10:47 AM CST
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Jeff Kent
has had troubles with a lot of teammates. I think the problem there is Jeff Kent.
by Josh77 on
Dec 10, 2008 2:32 PM CST
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Agreed.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 2:43 PM CST
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I wasn't necessarily
trying to target Bradley but the rumors of bringing him in got me thinking as to what kind of squad would we be willing to support in order to win a World Series? Imagine Randy Johnson as the winning pitcher in a Cub uniform after the years of despising him for whatever reason…
by cubbot on
Dec 10, 2008 9:33 AM CST
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I think
Edmonds is a good example…former Cardinal — but eventually embraced by the fans.
by StevenABQ on
Dec 10, 2008 9:35 AM CST
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PERFECT example.
I love me some Jimmy Ballgame.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:36 AM CST
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That's the nature of professional sports.
Players change teams. You make moves to remain competitive. It doesn’t often help you to hold a grudge as a professional sports fan, especially at the rate these guys turn over…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:35 AM CST
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Whatever his problems are
I can’t say I’ve ever seen any complaints from his teammates about him.
by Wreckard on
Dec 10, 2008 9:35 AM CST
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indeed
they tend to stand up for him.
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by drewishdrewid on
Dec 10, 2008 10:47 AM CST
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Speaking of scouts...
Why don’t they actually go do their job, and start looking for next year’s Ryan Ludwick, instead of agreeing with the front office to throw big gobs of money at guys like Bradley or Dunn.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on
Dec 10, 2008 10:33 AM CST
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Yeah, who do those scouts think they are?
It’s like they think their job is to evaluate talent or something.
by Wreckard on
Dec 10, 2008 10:54 AM CST
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Maybe because there aren't a lot of H.S. and College games to watch in December in the U.S.?
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by DeRoMyHero on
Dec 10, 2008 1:10 PM CST
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Um... you guys completely missed my point.
Every year, there’s an “unknown” on somebody’s roster who suddenly develops and has a career year…
So, instead of overpaying for some old, near over the hill, veteran who doesn’t fit anyway… do some friggin scouting and find someone ready for a “breakout” year.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on
Dec 10, 2008 1:47 PM CST
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Randy Bush did his scouting on DeRo during the Rangers' season...
By October, it was him convincing Hendry and Lou to sign DeRo rather than Adam Kennedy. Is that what you mean?
That would have nothing to do with whether or not Bush was “hanging around” the hotel at the Winter Meetings — or whether Hendry did or did not take his advice. The scouts may have done their job to perfection only to have their advice ignored or to have Hendry find that the price tag is too hight.
For all we know, a Cubs’ scout has given Hendry glowing reports on David Murphy, but Lou (and/or Hendry and/or Bush) ignored them because “he isn’t a power bat”.
It’s easy to blame the scouts, but they can only recommend — they can’t sign a FA or make a trade. The key question is: Does Hendry trust his scouts?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on
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Put this point on that question -
What if the Cubs had signed Barry Bonds last summer when Dome went into his slump?
I think there is little doubt that adding Bonds to the middle of the lineup would have done all Lou said we wanted to do AND MORE. His patience would have slowed down games that spiralled away from us.
But I doubt there will be many here who would want Bonds to end his career in Cubbie Blue and several who will say something to the effect of “I’m glad the Cubs didn’t sign Bonds; I’d rather be swept next year, too, than have let Bonds back in baseball.”
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:30 AM CST
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Hmmm
But geez, He may be alot of things but, Milton Bradley is harding a steroid injecting ego maniac. Is this a valid comparison?
by StevenABQ on
Dec 10, 2008 9:33 AM CST
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The question was
Would you want to win the WS if it meant having players on your team you didn’t like? Bonds is the supreme villain, but also a supreme talent. If we were going to put Bradley or Ibanez in RF, why wouldn’t we put Bonds in RF (from just a baseball standpoint)?
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:37 AM CST
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Because Bradley and Ibanez are both not 44.
Besides obvious physical limitations that Bonds has because of his age and being out of baseball last year, there is also the fact that he goes on trial for perjury and obstruction of justice this spring. Probably not gonna be available…Which IS a baseball standpoint because even if he doesn’t get prison time, I doubt he will be anywhere near a ballpark…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:39 AM CST
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I was talking about last year, though.
Bonds has been out of baseball for a year now. He’s not coming back for 2009. But last season, he wanted back in. He could have played for us. His presence could have gotten us to the Series.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:41 AM CST
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Well
Your right in the sense that from a “baseball standpoint” it would have probably benefitted alot of teams to move on Bonds. But, this case clearly had alot more to do with his personal and legal issues. I mean, how many teams could of used Shoeless Joe back in the day? Similar situation only a somewhat informal ban by team owners, mgt, etc.
by StevenABQ on
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besides ...
I don’t really think Bonds would have been the answer. His health likely would have been an issue, and I doubt the circus environment that he would have brought would have been good for the team. And could Bonds have played right field every day? I doubt it.
Bradley has issues, but he’s not Bonds.
by elgato on
Dec 10, 2008 9:36 AM CST
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Bonds was ready to go last summer. He said he'd play for the league min.
And not having played most of the year, his health would have been no more a concern that Bradley’s. Bonds could play RF every other day and all three games of the playoffs. The decision against Bonds was not a gameplay decision.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:39 AM CST
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"Bonds could play RF every other day"?
With those knees? In Wrigley?
by elgato on
Dec 10, 2008 9:42 AM CST
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He played 126 games in 2007.
Yes, he’s old. Yes, he’s banged up.
No, he wasn’t incapable of playing the field after sitting half a season.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:48 AM CST
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And it wasn't 126, it was 110.
The rest were as PH or DH.
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by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 9:51 AM CST
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How much difference is there between LF and RF
if it’s really a big deal, slide Soriano over to RF. There’s no way Soriano refuses to move to RF for Barry Bonds.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:50 AM CST
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There's a BIG difference.
You need a better arm, for one thing. For another, WF’s right field is a tough field due to the sun.
Barry Bonds would have made a horrible RF. And Soriano wouldn’t have been much better.
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by Al on
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Physically though...
The question was whether Bonds could withstand playing RF given his knees. RF is no worse on the knees than LF.
Now, I’d argue that the fact that he could only SORT OF play LF for 110 games over a year ago would suggest he can’t play RF regularly now. But in terms of wear and tear on the knees, RF isn’t really different than LF.
by SouthernCub on
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Ibanez will be a horrible RF.
But Bonds’ bat would have been better than Ibanez’ will be.
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by DGU on
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Since Bonds no longer has the ability to play
9 innings in the outfield every day, I disagree with that.
A player can’t put up stats when they’re sitting on the bench and Bonds would need lots of days off and also would need to be taken out of any game with the lead for defense.
Hey, it's a new century!
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I've asked this a lot in the past two years
Sori has a great arm, but the Cubs seem unwilling to move him to right. What I can’t figure out is why they ever thought he could play center!
It’s a moot point, though. Bonds isn’t coming to the Cubs (ever), and Soriano is our leftfielder for the near future.
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Yes, it's a moot point going forward.
But the point of the question is about where the line is on how much you’d rather be a lovable loser than a WS winner if the WS came at the price of a disliked player. I posited THE BEST LH hitter in baseball as a possible 2007 addition to our lineup, since, you know, the reason we lost in the playoffs, according to Lou-and-six was lefty-lack.
People can pretend that Bonds couldn’t play RF for 3 days (when we threw a hobbling DeRosa out there), or that we couldn’t move Sori, because they don’t want to answer the question. They don’t want to admit that Bonds would have changed our fortunes, because they don’t want to admit that there are some lines we don’t want to cross to win.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:57 AM CST
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you keep referencing "change" in only the positive sense
do you not accept that this change also has a negative side? If you really want to analyze this, you’d have to figure out a way to measure both the positive and negative impact and then figure out the net result. And I’m not even talking about clubhouse chemistry. Just on-field performance.
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by ballhawk on
Dec 10, 2008 10:44 AM CST
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Do you think Barry Bonds was any good in 2007?
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 11:19 AM CST
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yes
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on
Dec 10, 2008 11:32 AM CST
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See, I think Bonds was one of the best OFs in the game in 2007
when he was on the field, defense included, so it’s hard for me to see where there’s a debate on “change in only the positive sense.” Yes, he brings down the OF defense, but is it really so much more than Raul Ibanez would have?
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 11:53 AM CST
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and you don't think there'd be any impact (good and bad)
on the other players’ perfomance? That’s what I’m getting at. There is so much more to Bonds than just putting him out in RF. There’s bound to be a ripple/wave effect on everything associated with the team. Even if you just focus on on-field numbers, there’s a lot to chew on and digest to contemplate what would have been with Bonds in 2007.
You, we, BCB may have time to ponder such things, but I doubt JimLou do.
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by ballhawk on
Dec 10, 2008 12:20 PM CST
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sorry - 2008.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on
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Well, I don't have a problem with arguing
that Bonds wouldn’t be wanted because the media would crucify your team for signing him.
Anyway, the whole reason I brought this up was to put a fine point on the question of how far people’d be willing to go to win.
For my part, I don’t want Bonds, and I say that believing him to be good enough to make a difference for our team (this past year).
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 12:27 PM CST
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The point is, he was 44 years old (in July).
The sum total of games he played in RF in his career is 1.
And you think he could have played it on a semi-regular basis in 2008? Get real.
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by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 9:50 AM CST
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He'd be a terrible RF
as he was a terrible LF in his last season, and I doubt his arm is strong enough.
by SouthernCub on
Dec 10, 2008 9:54 AM CST
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No one is arguing Bonds would be good in the field.
The argument is that the Cubs’ 2008 post-mortem came to the conclusion that we’ll put a defensive liability in RF just to get a LH Thumper.
Lets grant that Bonds’ defense in RF (or LF with Sori in RF) would have been worse than Ibanez and Dunn’s will be. Would it really have been worse than how much better his bat would have been?
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 10:00 AM CST
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Do we KNOW how much better his bat would have been?
He was 43 last year, and the body was breaking down rapidly. He had managed to remain very productive offensively for two years, but at some point the dropoff would be drastic.
If Bonds performed at his age-42 level at age 43, yes, he’d have been useful.
by SouthernCub on
Dec 10, 2008 11:19 AM CST
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We don't KNOW.
But he said he’d play at the league min, and he was a better bet than Jim Edmonds.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 11:20 AM CST
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And Edmonds was a longshot...
so I’m not sure I see your point. Because Edmonds greatly defied expectations, it’s reasonable to assume Bonds would as well?
by SouthernCub on
Dec 10, 2008 11:21 AM CST
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The point is that the Cubs were looking at trading for Raul Ibanez last year
to play RF, when we could have signed Barry Bonds for 400 K.
Fwiw, Bonds’ PECOTA was .248/.419/.478.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 11:23 AM CST
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It's not worth much...
PECOTA had some of our prospects rated pretty high too, as well as Fukudome.
And I still don’t see the point about Ibanez. We didn’t get him. We got Edmonds, and he (shockingly) worked out for us, right?
by SouthernCub on
Dec 10, 2008 11:33 AM CST
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I don't care how badly I want the Cubs to win
I’d rather take a hot poker to the eye than have Bonds on the team.
"It's probably similar to being in New York City and having a cab driver behind you and you're driving too slow. It's not the most pleasant thing."
Barry Sanders, on what defensive backs who played against him compared him to.
by Jettero2112 on
Dec 10, 2008 11:32 AM CST
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Postseason
No one mentioned that as awesome as Bonds was in his career, we all know that he took a dump in the playoffs many times over.
What makes you think that he would have risen to the occasion on this team last year?
Career postseason: 2-7 W-L series’ record; .245 BA; .433 OBP; .503 SLG.
The only series he stepped up in was the WS in ’02 (4 HR 6 RBI 13 BB .471 BA .700 OBP 1.294 SLG). Looks pretty good, but:
1) He had 6 RBI off 4 HR, not so hot. While I don’t know if his outs were with men on or not, I can’t extrapolate whether he hit with no one on and got out with men on. Overall though, the numbers are not that impressive
2) the Giants lost the WS. Is that Bonds fault, maybe not. Dusty’s? The point is even with how well Bonds performed, his team still didn’t win. He is not a team guy, his overall postseason performances were average at best (crap-tacular most of the time) and he would not have brought this team a WS.
Would he have been better than Dome, I say a wash with defense and offense factored in.
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by The Ryno and I Know on
Dec 10, 2008 12:54 PM CST
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Right.
He was never a right fielder to begin with, and for anyone to think he could be anything but a statue out there at age 44… well, that’s just plain wrong.
IF anyone had been willing to take a chance on him in 2008, it’d have been as a DH.
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by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 9:48 AM CST
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Bonds' defensive deficiencies are real, but way, way overblown.
In 2007, he played as well, if not better than Ibanez, Dunn, etc – guys we’re looking at now.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 9:51 AM CST
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I want to win the WS. Period. I don't care who is on the team that does it.
by Rick B on
Dec 10, 2008 9:32 AM CST
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Agreed...
Can Charles Manson hit the curveball? Sign him up.
Bonds, Bradley, who-the-frick-ever.
Just win, baby. Have character on your own time. Win and I don’t much care how.
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by Worf on
Dec 10, 2008 9:34 AM CST
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Ha
They can class it up on the repeat win.
by dr stabbingworth on
Dec 10, 2008 9:35 AM CST
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Wow
You may have uncovered a smorgasbord of untapped talent – solitary from our U.S. prisons.
by StevenABQ on
Dec 10, 2008 9:45 AM CST
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Hope so...
So long as they don’t violate parole by going on road games, I’m cool with it.
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by Worf on
Dec 10, 2008 9:52 AM CST
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HAHA!!!
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 9:54 AM CST
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It has the potential
to be a killer lineup
by StevenABQ on
Dec 10, 2008 10:09 AM CST
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theres a governor joke in there somewhere
i’d make it, but no caffeine yet.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Dec 10, 2008 10:00 AM CST
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There's always Rick Vaughn
He helped the Indians win the pennant. :-)
by Josh77 on
Dec 10, 2008 2:34 PM CST
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The California Penal League
always has prospects who are ready to deal.
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by drewishdrewid on
Dec 10, 2008 3:53 PM CST
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Yeah, but their unis suck.
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
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by znohitter on
Dec 10, 2008 4:00 PM CST
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Oh my god!
C.C. would rather have money than hit in the N.L. How SHOCKING!
People like money. Money is GOOD.
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by Worf on
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+1
How shocking…he took the cash.
Everyone has a price.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on
Dec 10, 2008 9:54 AM CST
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7 years 160 million
who needs a left arm??
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
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Ask the Rockies About Brad Hawpe ----
Hawpe is the guy the Cubs are looking for — left-handed hitting outfielder with good pop. His numbers over the past 3 years are darn good.
Looked just today at one of the Rockies blogs and it indicated that they have shown interest in Marquis but do not like the salary numbers (who does?). So why not ‘eat" some of Marquis’ dollars and add a couple of guys to the pot. Pitching prospects along with someone like Wellington Castillo seeing that the Rockies do not have any long term solution behind the plate.
Hawpe’s salary could make up for what we have to thrown in with Marquis and the Cubs would not have to be looking at adding excessive dollars for guys who have no upside defensively like Abreu or Ibanez. Plus we gain quite a bit in long term viability when it comes to the age factor.
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Dec 10, 2008 10:02 AM CST
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I like the idea, but after all of AA and the cream of AAA
is sent to the Padres, what’s left for the Rockies?
But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night
by N Oakley on
Dec 10, 2008 10:04 AM CST
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Cream at AA and AAA
From what has been thrown out — none of the AA or AAA guys have been mentioned. It’s only been Cedeno, DeRose, Pie, Marshall. Vitters name has come up — and I only hope that he is not included — but no one else so far.
Maybe I missed a name along the way — if so, who else has been mentioned?
by ceegeewow on
Dec 10, 2008 10:21 AM CST
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I doubt the Rockies would do that.
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by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 10:11 AM CST
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Hawpe is going to cost a lot more
Also Iannetta looked pretty good behind the plate last season. .264 / .390 / .505 is pretty good for a catcher.
by rlpete on
Dec 10, 2008 10:20 AM CST
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So What Would the Costs Be?
The Rockies do need pitching — aren’t they always in need?
Why not give up someone like Atkins at AAA or Veal at AA? Why not Colvin?
I am sure there are others but Brad Hawpe makes a lot more sense than Abreu or Ibanez or Bradley.
by ceegeewow on
Dec 10, 2008 10:25 AM CST
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Because Atkins and Veal have minimal value
If you want to get the Rockies to move Hawpe who isn’t on the market, you are going to have to wow them. I think the Cubs would have to offer Marmol who the Rockies would like after losing Fuentes.
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I don't get the whole Peavy thing in the first place...
We have arms (Z, Dempster, Harden, Lilly, Marquis)… and we’ve developed an arm that SHOULD be a good piece in any major league rotation (Sean Marshall).
So, why do we need to deal half a line-up for a top of the rotation starter? I don’t friggin get it. I especially don’t get the asking price, considering nobody else is bidding for him…
DEAR JIM HENDRY,
Please use the arms you have… and focus on improving your lousy defense up the middle, and left-handed hitting.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
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by SackMan on
Dec 10, 2008 10:24 AM CST
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What do you think the price of Peavy is?
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 11:20 AM CST
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Twins could play a role in the Jake Peavy sweepstakes
They seem to be interested in DeRosa and may give up some pitching that the Fathers are interested in.
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Dec 10, 2008 10:31 AM CST
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I hope this goes the way of last year's Brian Roberts saga
We were better off for not making any deal for Roberts… and we’ll be better off for not making a deal for Peavy.
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by SackMan on
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It's impossible to say that until we know what we have to give up to get him
If it’s one year of Derosa and one or two other prospects then I think it’s worth it.
by Wreckard on
Dec 10, 2008 10:55 AM CST
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Fair enough.
However, I believe the current rumor is: DeRosa to Phillies for young arms. Those young arms plus Marquis, plus $5M, plus Cedeno, Pie & Vitters.
DeRosa, payroll, Vitters, and giving up on Pie seems like too much to me.
by N Oakley on
Dec 10, 2008 10:59 AM CST
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Vitters might possibly be the best hitting prospect we've had since Mark Grace
And considering how long it’s been since we actually developed a potent bat, I would absolutely HATE to see Vitters in any deal.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
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by SackMan on
Dec 10, 2008 11:03 AM CST
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If the system was stocked with young talent, giving up on any single prospect wouldn't matter.
With the cupboards bare, giving up the best prospect is tough to swallow.
by N Oakley on
Dec 10, 2008 11:05 AM CST
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Can I pull up these comments and point them out next fall
if Jake Peavy leads the Cubs to a World Series victory?
by philadelphiacub on
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Furcal
I’d still be interested in this guy as a true leadoff hitter and shortstop. Move Theriot to 2nd where he can platoon with Fontenot, and shift DeRosa permanently to right field.
I know Lou is obsessed with the lefty/balance thing in the lineup, but I think we have almost all of what we need in-house. Adding Furcal, IMO, would complete the picture, and would move Soriano where he belongs in the linuep, 5th or 6th.
This is a team that won 97 games – we can’t forget that. Tweaking is all they need, assuming decent health through the season.
Demp and Rich: proof that people that live in igloos and say "eh" can contibute!
by Canadian Cubs Fan on
Dec 10, 2008 10:37 AM CST
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Furcal might be the ONE middle infielder on the market
That could be a difference maker for this team.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
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by SackMan on
Dec 10, 2008 10:46 AM CST
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Furcal is the one free agent
who is the biggest upgrade over our current starting roster.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 11:24 AM CST
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The only reason that statement is true is because Jake Peavy is not a FA
Peavy over Marquis is a more significant upgrade, as would have been CC Sabathia
by philadelphiacub on
Dec 10, 2008 9:04 PM CST
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that's not to say I wouldn't enjoy seeing Furcal in the home dugout a Wrigley,
I just don’t think he’s part of the plan at this point
by philadelphiacub on
Dec 10, 2008 9:05 PM CST
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I should have clarified "position player,"
but the fact that he’s not part of the plan (assuming that’s true) when he’s the biggest upgrade is disappointing.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 10:46 PM CST
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I'm still holding out for that myself
Furcal is a key piece. 10,000 times upgrade defensively, and I like the Fontenot/Theriot platoon
by lamentir on
Dec 10, 2008 11:06 AM CST
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There's room for this hope.
Furcal turned down the A’s offer and then all these other teams got in on Furcal, wondering if he’d overplayed the market. Furcal didn’t overplay the market. There’s a reason he keeps pushing back his deadlines.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 11:25 AM CST
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and that is?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on
Dec 10, 2008 11:35 AM CST
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he wants to become a legend
by winning here?
:she said hopeful:
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Dec 10, 2008 11:36 AM CST
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The reason is that there is some team that's showing a lot of interest
but hasn’t made any public offers yet. That team doesn’t have to be the Cubs. It could be the Royals. But the Cubs fit that mold.
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by DGU on
Dec 10, 2008 11:55 AM CST
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Al, will you feel dumb
when we sign Peavy? You’ve said numerous times that there’s NO WAY we’ll get Peavy. I’m glad you aren’t the GM!
by Cubs and Hawks fan on
Dec 10, 2008 10:52 AM CST
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Just a nitpick...
We wouldn’t sign him…we would acquire him…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 10:54 AM CST
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Nitpick accepted.
Hey, if I’m wrong, I’ll say so. I still don’t think it happens until maybe, MAYBE July 31.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 10, 2008 5:51 PM CST
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left
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on
Dec 10, 2008 11:08 AM CST
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Ok, now the Trib says it could be the Phillies again
With Marquis going to SD instead of Marshall.
Also has a few bits about Bradley.
I wonder how many other stories will be out there today about the Peavy deal.
Over/Under is set at 10.
"It's probably similar to being in New York City and having a cab driver behind you and you're driving too slow. It's not the most pleasant thing."
Barry Sanders, on what defensive backs who played against him compared him to.
by Jettero2112 on
Dec 10, 2008 11:09 AM CST
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While acquiring Peavy would be cool
(thats a pretty awesome rotation when Lilly could be your 4.)
But I keep having that little know-it-all voice that says if its a trade we’re hearing about: its not gonna happen. Hendry likes to deal on the downlow all this public he said/he said never seems to equal success.
At least, IMHO.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Dec 10, 2008 11:12 AM CST
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A thief never tips off his target...
See: Pittsburgh, 2003… :)
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Dec 10, 2008 11:15 AM CST
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I've tried to make this same point, but I keep getting shouted down. I'll
go over in the corner and be quiet now.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Dec 10, 2008 11:17 AM CST
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Peavy would be a great add but...
…there are other, higher, priorities for the Cubs. They really just need a bit of tweaking, not an overhaul. Dumping Marquis would be nice, though, even considering he wasn’t awful (just really bad).
"It's probably similar to being in New York City and having a cab driver behind you and you're driving too slow. It's not the most pleasant thing."
Barry Sanders, on what defensive backs who played against him compared him to.
by Jettero2112 on
Dec 10, 2008 11:19 AM CST
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Lilly would actually be the number 4
Peavy
Zambrano
Harden
Dempster
Lilly
by Imtrejo on
Dec 10, 2008 11:20 AM CST
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Harden will probably be the "#5".
That way, it will be easier to skip him periodically.
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by DeRoMyHero on
Dec 10, 2008 6:11 PM CST
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Well, I don't think Dempster repeats his career year
I think he goes 5.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Dec 10, 2008 11:21 AM CST
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Would this upset the apple cart...
….Dempster seems to have been a big clubhouse plus in 2008 in addition to pitching well. If he suddenly feels his spot in the rotation is threatened, does it hurt the whole team? I always like a little competition to bring out the most in guys, but Dempster doesn’t seem to need that.
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by TXCub on
Dec 10, 2008 1:45 PM CST
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I doubt it
Dempster seems plyable to whatever will help the club win. If I’m not mistaken, he was quoted as saying it’d be great to pitch in a rotation with Peavy just after he re-signed
by philadelphiacub on
Dec 10, 2008 9:09 PM CST
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Levine on ESPN 1000
says it’d be: DeRosa to Phillies for Happ & LHP whose name I didn’t catch and then Marquis, Vitters, Happ & Hart to Padres and Peavy to us.
“Not done but getting hotter”



