Peavy Deal Dead
LAS VEGAS -- San Diego general manager Kevin Towers just told reporters that a proposed deal to send pitcher Jake Peavy to the Chicago Cubs was dead.
"It doesn't look like anything is going to happen with the Cubs," Towers said.
Towers indicated that Cubs GM Jim Hendry pulled out of the deal.
"He said he's got other things going on. I respect his position," Towers said.
Towers will meet with team CEO Sandy Alderson on Monday and speak with Peavy's agent, Barry Axelrod, in the coming days to see where they go next.
Towers said one option is pulling Peavy off the trading block and going into the 2009 season with him at the front of the starting rotation.
-- Corey Brock
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Hey, SDSJM....
…. where would you like to go to buy me dinner?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Long gloat steakhouse?
Don’t collect yet, could be revived….
by lamentir on Dec 11, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For NOW it's dead....for this WEEK it's dead...
Obviously, this will go on. I suspect this is leverage on Hendry’s part. Why not wait until steam is coming out of John Moores’ ears and he’s screaming at Towers to “get rid of Peavy!”
Hell, this will be a smokescreen to fool Padres fans even a bit longer to get some of those lost season tickets re-sold.
Hendry might be able to get Peavy at a real fire sale price, later on. We both know that. This could stretch on until the trading deadline. However, I remain adamant that Peavy will become a Cub — sometime — anytime — even during the season. He’ll finish 2009 in a Cubs uniform.
Some times, we have to be patient. We all know about patience on BCB.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 11, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True enough.
You still owe me dinner.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What if the trade
takes place at the deadline when John Moores has his hands around Tower’s throat? This adventure isn’t over until — the trading deadline ends …or he’s shipped elsewhere. (It will NOT be the Angels, it will NOT be the Giants.)
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 12, 2008 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Want to bet another dinner on that?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 13, 2008 5:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Unit?
This sucks, someone remind not to get this excited at next years “sure thing”, unless its Grady Sizemore
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
To hell
with Big Unit. If we’re not getting Peavy, I would just as soon stick with Marquis in the 5th spot.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Dec 11, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
on what basis?
johnson had better numbers last year and can be had on a one year deal
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets see
An early thirties pitcher whos never had a health issue or a upper 40s year old with serious back problems?
which would YOU rather have for your 5th starter when all you need is someone who will take the ball and (usually) keep you in the game?
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 11, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First of all...
I don’t really like that logic…Every starter is going to “take the ball.” RJ made 30 starts last year (2 more than Marquis) and had better numbers. I think he fits the bill of your 5th starter who will “take the ball” and “keep us in the game.”
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 11, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and at what 46
i don’t see 30 starts as being a reasonable expectation from Johnson. Sure he did it once, but what are the chances he does it again?
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 11, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Valid point. All I can say is he has made 30+ starts 4/5 years...
With 2007 being the obvious exception…I put enough faith in Hendry and the rest of the organization to know whether or not he can pitch at a level worthy of signing. Maybe he isn’t- but they will get his medical records if they get into serious negotiations.
I also know that he is a World Series winner, and a guy who has BEEN THERE before.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 11, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But hey- Blue Mike
would like to remind everyone that RJ hates the dugouts at Wrigley.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 11, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you channeling banned BCB posters again?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had a seance.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 11, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is he banned?
When did this happen?
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Dec 11, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
It happened a week or two ago. Do a search for his username and look at his last few posts and you’ll soon understand why.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Dempster Close to Resigning thread was the death of him...
…at least temporarily.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Dec 11, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do we not have viable backups?
it seems like we have plenty of guys who could step in and fill a couple starts every now and then if randy “im infinitely better than marquis” johsnon was injured.
bring up felix.
by kylejo on Dec 11, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yabbut
aren’t we going to be stuck paying at least half of Marquis’ salary for him to play for another team next year? Let’s just pay his whole salary and let him hold down the fifth spot in the rotation.
Adding RJ is just adding another starter to the 5-man whose injury history is in question. We already have one guy in the rotation (Harden) who we have to account for in case he goes down. I dunno, it just doesn’t make a lotta sense to me.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Dec 11, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jason will NOT be moved unless
We pay half his salary.
How many teams want a 9 million -dollar 4th or 5th starter?
That’s where a team can develop their young pitchers.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 11, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is what we should be doing.
It might hurt our chances of trading him, but what if we put him in the pen, like we almost did last year? Let Marshall, Samardzja, and/or Gaudin have the spot in the rotation.
by varrys on Dec 11, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that easy
Or it would have been done
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 11, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What would have been done?
Moving him? Or letting another pitcher take his rotation spot? I think we could have started Gaudin. The Cubs pay his salary. Let him pitch from the bullpen or rot, but we should develop our other SP instead of playing him.
by varrys on Dec 11, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis still has value
How many more wins can Peavy get over M&M
Marquis and Marshall while not giving up on the farm
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 11, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that
what I said? We would be stuck paying at least half of Marquis’ salary if we got someone to take him.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Dec 11, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Later in the offseason...
… teams that are more desperate might be willing to pay more of Marquis’ salary.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Which is why we shouldn’t simply dump him. Let him be our reserve starter if someone gets hurt. Though I still say we give someone else a short at the #5 spot.
by varrys on Dec 11, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And this, again...
… is why those saying “HENDRYMAKEADEALRIGHTNOWORBEFIRED!” ought to back off a little. Sometimes patience gets you a BETTER deal.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Were people really saying that?
I hadn’t noticed…
[/sarcasm]
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on Dec 11, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd still like to get rid of Marquis.
"Hey Hey, Holy Mackerel, No Doubt About It!"
by scottsdalecubs on Dec 11, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...the athlete or his salary?
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Dec 12, 2008 1:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
I’m guessing this means Bradley and Johnson are Cubs within a week.
But what do we do with Marquis?
by elgato on Dec 11, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect he's a Cub, for now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is still the #5 starter
until another option comes along.
by rlpete on Dec 11, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, then we probably won't sign Johnson
We don’t need Marquis, Johnson and Marshall for one rotation spot.
by elgato on Dec 11, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marshall goes to the bullpen to be a swingman/LOOGY...
… and Marquis could still be traded.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Marquis going anywhere
One of the best parts of the proposed Peavy trade was the dumping of Marquis and part of his salary.
by elgato on Dec 11, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the point of trading Marquis
and signing Johnson if the Cubs have to eat a significant part of Marquis’ salary.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 11, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am just happy we still have DeRo
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Dec 11, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just had a bad feeling about him being in the mix of that deal
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Dec 11, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al, with all that's transpired, do you really
believe DeRo will be a Cub at the start of ST? I sure don’t.
by N Oakley on Dec 11, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've thought all along
that there were a lot of signals that the Cubs planned to move DeRo this off-season. We’ll see.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 11, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they'll keep him.
Lou likes to have flexibility, and DeRo plays several positions.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the same thing we've been doing
desperately try to get someone to take his contract
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
please no Bradley
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 11, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about all the posts that said it was almost a done deal
You mean all of those were based on rumors, innuendos and reporters that need to keep the stories coming?
This should surprise no one that seen more than one off-season. It should also surprise no one if this deal gets resurrected.
by rlpete on Dec 11, 2008 12:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It might, but...
… I’ll bet not till the trading deadline.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree in terms of a real trade
but I bet it gets more press before the season starts.
by rlpete on Dec 11, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im upset
I would have liked to have seen that get done. Hope juim gives us things to get excited about.
by Kchance on Dec 11, 2008 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Im upset too, but happy that Hendry didnt give up to much just for the sake of having Peavy
nice restraint, one of Marshall or DeRosa wouldve been fine, but not both
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RJ on a one year deal?
Just hope he can stay healthy.
Who knows, this may end up happening at a later date or Jake could end up elsewhere.
Just didn’t want to hear about it all off-season like the he who shall not be named rumors all last year.
"It's probably similar to being in New York City and having a cab driver behind you and you're driving too slow. It's not the most pleasant thing."
Barry Sanders, on what defensive backs who played against him compared him to.
by Jettero2112 on Dec 11, 2008 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He wants upwards to $8mil/year....
Too expensive if you ask me.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Dec 11, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is going (already is) to be a disspointing offseason...
So far we have gone backwards getting rid of Wood, and although I didn’t want to trade away Vitters, I think Peavy would have helped this club. Sigh.
by GoCubbies34 on Dec 11, 2008 12:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So
does this mean this is the last Peavy post?
$100 says “no”.
by McRipper on Dec 11, 2008 12:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
atta boy Jim!
hold your ground and dig in those heels, we have all the leverage here.
Peavy is not a necessity for this team
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2008 12:11 PM CST reply actions 10 recs
Yep, I don't have a huge problem with this.
Sometimes ya gotta just walk away. Enjoy your free meals, Al! My guess is Peavy starts the season with the Padres and is moved at or before the trade deadline next year – a la CC.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whats with these green comments?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It means they've been recommended by at least three people.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It means it was in the fridge too long.
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on Dec 11, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep doesn't
break my heart it didn’t happen.
by sue369 on Dec 11, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hear, hear!
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on Dec 11, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can they trade Marquis in a non-Peavy context?
Thats my worry, otherwise he’d be too expensive to put in the pen if the Unit is coming.
Maybe they’ll take a run at Lowe?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sure, Marquis could go in another deal.
But to whom?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Twins
Just a hunch from what I’ve been reading. No fundament to my statement or research.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Dec 11, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do that.
Maybe Jason Kubel could be involved somehow.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it seems like the twins are more interested in DeRosa
with that said if you could get them to take Marquis and DeRosa and get back a young pitcher like Slowey or Scott Baker (i’m just throwing things off the top of my head here). Then we could have either our young #5 OR a trade chip to lure in Roberts/Peavy talks again without giving up any of our other youngsters
and yes i realize how good Slowey and Baker are and maybe my trade idea isn’t completely realistic but remember DeRo comes with type A next year and two high draft picks so his trade value should be high
my big issue with this whole DeRosa inclusion in the Peavy talks was we seemed to be adding him without getting any value out of it….. there was nothing added on the Cubs end of the deal and nothing major subtracted it was just adding DeRosa to clear payroll
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think thats a trade that could benefit both sides.
They lost out on Casey Blake and need a third baseman if they want to take what looks like a wide open division. I would trade Marquis and DeRo in a heartbeat for Slowey but only if I didn’t have to eat too much of Marquis’ contract.
by dakoose on Dec 11, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd do that
then pump my resources into a Roberts trade (hopefully Vitters wouldn’t have to be involved) and then you save money and can pursue a better RF option maybe shortening the years and maximizing the dollars to reduce long-term risk and sell the player on coming out as a FA again in hopefully a better market a few years from now
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
(for the Twins, that is) Marquis would be great in Petco Park as their #2. Still will be.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 11, 2008 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If
If Marquis is dealt in a non-Peavy deal, it will be a flat salary dump. They will not get anything of reasonable value for him other than walknig away from the rest of his contract.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Dec 11, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lowe seems like he wants 4-5 years
which is a lot for a pitcher who is 35.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Dec 11, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that just means it's dead for now
besides Towers probably has to get back to SD and Jimbo here.
I wouldn’t be surprised to hear things start back up at a later date. But it still wouldn’t mean the thing would go through.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2008 12:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
how long
before we hear “Peavy to Cubbs back on”?
by plenz on Dec 11, 2008 12:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's the Zombie Trade that won't die...
Think about how may times the Brian Roberts trade had to die before it was officially over. I’d say the Peavy trade will be killed one or two more times before the 09 season begins.
by rynomite23 on Dec 11, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I bet before xmas theres another round of these
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
Maybe the Padres could trade Peavy to Baltimore for Roberts. That’d kill both those rumors!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha, thatd be something else
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still say the Cubs get Peavy.....
Maybe around the trade deadline…..
by EJThunder on Dec 11, 2008 12:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This just in..
Dan (DC): According to MLBTR, Towers says the Cubs pulled out of the Peavy deal and it is dead. Do the Padres start the season with Peavy or does he get traded somewhere else?
Keith Law: (1:11 PM ET ) I know they’d prefer to move him for financial reasons, so to me, this just indicates that the price in prospects came down, and some other teams that were out will jump back in.
Just one insiders opinion, but that doesnt make sense. If his value, in prospect terms, is down, wouldnt that make this deal easier for the Cubs?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think it's
that the Cubs didn’t want to give up a certain player, therefore making it a complete deal in Towers’ mind.
He wants to find optimal value elsewhere…
by EJThunder on Dec 11, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too.
Maybe he means the price the Cubs were willing to pay went down. Other than that I don’t know how to explain it.
by dakoose on Dec 11, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If other teams get in b/c the price is lower
Is how I took it, meaning that it shouldnt be a problem for the Cubs supposedly weak system to complete this deal.
If Peavy really dug his heels in and was intent on coming to the Cubs, I dont know what Towers is thinking, he needs to get some sort of return, as lousy as the situation might be….if they really are intent on shedding his salary that is
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No...
It come down only because the Cubs are stepping away from the table.
Essentially, you had a market on one, as Peavy controls it via his NTC. Any team stepping in now can low-ball on prospects, knowing that the market is already limited, and they will likely have to compensate Peavy to join their team. As the cost to Peavy goes up, the return to the Padres goes down.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 11, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a little disappointing...
Since Peavy’s a CY winner, but our primary need isn’t starting pitching. Honestly we don’t need Peavy at least not for the price that Hendry was being asked to make.
Personally I think the real disappointment is the lack of real movement on any front by Hendry. I guess want to see where adding Kevin Gregg and losing KWood fit into the larger picture of offseason moves.
I guess the lack of a new owner and the economy are just slowing things down this offseason, but it’s hard to patient.
by rynomite23 on Dec 11, 2008 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Part of me is happy this whole thing is over.
I would love to get Peavy, but if not getting him means we can go get a solid lefty and sign RJ to a one year deal I’m fine with that. Peavy is purely a playoff acquisition. Odds are we get to the playoffs without him anyway, and maybe Johnson or whoever else Hendry signs can do the job for us then.
by dakoose on Dec 11, 2008 12:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What the hell happened?
Did Hendry really pull out of an opportunity to get one of the game’s best starting pitchers because it’s more important to sign Raul Ibanez?
by gjdow on Dec 11, 2008 12:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No...
… he got out because he obviously didn’t feel the deal was beneficial to the Cubs, as it was structured.
If he can get a better one, yes, this could be resurrected.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
The structure of the deal seems to have been pretty stable from the start. Towers cited “other priorities,” which to me mean that left-handed bat.
I guess I just think that he could probably have gotten this deal done anyway. Getting Peavy would be a great opportunity for the Cubs: he’s under contract through 2012 at least, and at what appears to be a pretty good price. It’s the kind of move you make if you want to have a successful team down the line. Failing to pull the trigger here… well, we can just say that it doesn’t impress me.
by gjdow on Dec 11, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean you will believe the structure of the deal
from all these so called insiders who said it was a done deal. Who knows what the deal was? Even as late as this morning some people were reporting a 4th team involved. What about the supposed 3 team deal?
by rlpete on Dec 11, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's impossible to judge whether it was worthwhile without knowing the price
There were so many rumored frameworks out there that it’s impossible to say what that was. Needless to say, it’s obvious that it’s Hendry deciding not to do this and the only reason he’d do that is if the opportunity cost was too high (i.e. we would have had to give up too much).
I want Peavy too but I trust Hendry to do what’s right for the ballclub.
by Wreckard on Dec 11, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because it was too costly for the Cubs
not necessarily for this deal in of itself (too often here, we try to put one move in a vacuum) but perhaps one or more of the chips hendry wants to use for a different deal would be exhausted in this one. And Hendry is in the position of power. The Cubs SP’s isn’t exactly shabby so unlike the evil empire, they are not desperate and bidding against themselves.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs have always said getting
a LH figleaf hitter is more important than improving the club in meaningful ways.
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by DGU on Dec 11, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Hope that is what he is doing
Because I think a Shortstop and a left hand hitting outfielder is more important than getting another starting pitcher. This teams starting pitching is still one of there strong points.
by NYCUB FAN on Dec 11, 2008 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This sucks
No Wood
No Peavy
whats Jim’s excuse for not keeping Wood Now
Fire jim hendry
by plenz on Dec 11, 2008 12:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't go that far...
but if we really had enough cash to acquire Peavy I don’t understand why we couldn’t have just re-signed Wood.
by EJThunder on Dec 11, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's the question
But it’s a domino thing. Not re-signing Wood, trading Marquis and (perhaps) trading DeRosa would have freed money for Bradley/Ibanez and Peavy.
Now, the Cubs have the money saved from not saving Wood to sign a bat.
by elgato on Dec 11, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs Got Kevin Gregg
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 11, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Completely independent events
Wood was pure cash only. Peavy is bodies first, then perhaps cash.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Wood may have also been
The Cubs feeling that his health was a risk.
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 11, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Johnson??
How much better is he than Marquis? And is he more expensive?
by plenz on Dec 11, 2008 12:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he was great in the second half
struck out over 170 in 180 or so innings with an ERA below 4
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
$6-8 mil
Taking a risk on an injury prone guy. I’m leaning towards no.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Dec 11, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
only for one year though
hes said thats what he’ll take, so no risk really
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
The risk is we dump a guy who is consistently mediocre (Marquis) for RJ who obviously has health concerns. Moreover, he will command a similar price tag (when you consider what we will eat to dump him).
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Dec 11, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as Marshall is around
to fill in should a starter be injured, I can understand taking a chance on Johnson (should Marquis be traded).
However, my concern becomes having both Harden and Johnson (both injury risks) in the rotation. Plus, I worry about that bad back of Johnson’s flaring up in April, when it’s still 35-40 degrees when the Cubs are playing at home.
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by Trey2317 on Dec 11, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus he wants $6-8 million
I agree I’d like to take a risk on him, just not for that price.
Maybe an old school incentive laden contract is order.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Dec 11, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
No rush to sign him – if he’s available in a month, then go after him – he may be more likely to take an incentive-laden deal in mid-January if no one else is interested.
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by Trey2317 on Dec 11, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you were a NL central team
Say, the Brewers, wouldn’t you look at his record versus the Cubs and be VERY interested in him?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Dec 11, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
but it sounds like the money allocated for Sabathia isn’t going to be spent, so Milwaukee may be looking at offering an incentive-laden deal.
Houston wasn’t a fit for Johnson the first time around; Cincinnati would go incentive-laden; Pittsburgh is out.
St. Louis seems to be a realistic possibility.
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by Trey2317 on Dec 11, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gaudin is also insurance against injury
providing they dont DFA him, which seems ludicrous to me when you look at his Oakland numbers, particularly as a starter; hes more than capable
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would make no sense to non-tender him
He can have a role on this team, whether it is in a long-man spot or setup man.
I don’t understand how falling in a dumpster (yes, it was poorly timed) is grounds for non-tendering.
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by Trey2317 on Dec 11, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I also like Gaudin
And I think he could replace Marquis in the rotation, even if we can’t move him. Although I suppose that would decrease the chance we could move Marquis, as no one could see him pitch. However, there’s so little interest in him right now anyway, what’s it hurt?
by varrys on Dec 11, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be less expensive....
tells you how much we overpayed for Jason.
Still don’t want to pick him up.
My crystal ball says he’ll be on the DL for back issues REGARDLESS of where he lands.
by EJThunder on Dec 11, 2008 12:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
From Ken Rosenthal:
The Cubs’ pursuit of Jake Peavy is over.
Padres general manager Kevin Towers said he was told by Cubs general manager Jim Hendry on Thursday that the Cubs were no longer interested in pursuing a deal for the former Cy Young winner.
The teams had spoken for weeks about a potential trade but talks broke down this week.
The Cubs were frustrated by the Padres’ attempts to seek five or six players for Peavy with one team executive saying, “They’re looking for a Herschel Walker-type deal.”
Said Towers: “Yesterday I sensed (Hendry) had some reservations about if he wanted to do it or not. We were asking for a lot. With Peavy we plan on getting a lot.”
Peavy has a full no-trade clause. If he is traded, Towers said that he would need to start the process over and consult with Peavy and his agent Barry Axelrod about which teams they would consider and move forward. Towers, however, also said he is not certain that the Padres want to engage in further Peavy discussions.
Peavy — who won the NL Cy Young award in 2007 — was 10-11 in 2008 with a 2.85 ERA.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2008 12:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Please give a link when you post this....
… in addition to the quotebox. Thanks.
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by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
chat w/ Keith Law
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
link
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well that didnt work, nevermind
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I respect Hendry's decision...
I just think it would have been more logical to re-sign Wood.
Sounds like Hendry or somebody in the organization had dialogue with buyers or whomever about getting a slight bump for Peavy to about 140 mil.
Wouldn’t it have been a better idea to bring up that Wood is the face of the franchise, and a leader in the clubhouse and ask for the payroll bump in that situation?
Bahh.
by EJThunder on Dec 11, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This could be a Towers bluff
He wanted Hendry to bite and Hendry didn’t; simple economics tells me the price will drop.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Hendry's bluff.
KT is the guy who needs to unload Peavy — a guy with a NTC.
Hendry can act like he is going to sign Randy Johnson and leave KT with a decision — take Marquis and try to flip him, or risk having Peavy start the season with the Dads and end up on the DL.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 11, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and if Peavy really wants to play for the Cubs as badly
as some have reported…
he might just get his wish if he stands his ground like Hendry has.
by EJThunder on Dec 11, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay!
I always felt like SD was asking too much. Now we get to keep Josh Vitters.
by Josh77 on Dec 11, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But for how long?
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by DGU on Dec 11, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CUE DRAMATIC PRARIE DOG AND MUSIC.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL - that IS better.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That one is for...
…all the “I want Peavy!” people out there.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but
he’s much more likely to go on the DL, plus…….he IS more expensive because in order to make room for Johnson, Marquis has to go and we will eat half of his $$
by plenz on Dec 11, 2008 12:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
not dissapointed at all.
This is actually good news. We were about to overpay for a pitcher that has pitched well in a PITCHERS PARK and under great conditions. He is slightly injury prone and we were going to give up way to much. Keep the youngsters or trade them to get Figgins or Roberts. I would rather see one of those two, a bullpen guy and a bat added to this team than Peavey. Yeah, the cubs paid too much for Marquis two years ago, but that was the deal they made and the pitcher WE NEEDED in 2007. I mean other than name recognition how much better does the team get with Peavey over Marquis and at what price? Its like the Red Sox going after Teixera when they have a solid 1b in Youklis. If they sign Tex they will move Youk to 3b and trade lowell. How much better is Tex than Youk?
by SammySosa on Dec 11, 2008 12:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
In Peavy's case...
I think he would be as good of a player, regardless.
It may help slightly but I feel that that arguement is slightly off base.
by EJThunder on Dec 11, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, Peavy is an upgrade of Marquis
pitchers park or no.
If they can use some of those same pieces for Roberts and get the Unit, then that might be a smarter overall move, but dealing with the O’s is a tough task
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why did they sign marquis anyway?
since when does the pitching coach have a say in acquisitions? They knew what he was, he was in the same division for crying out loud…..now they cant move him
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the market for Marquis has not yet been established.
That won’t happen until the free agent starters are signed. After that happens, there will be teams that are looking for a bargain or were not able to acquire a pitcher in the FA market and the negotiations can begin. Also, the Cubs could wait until Spring Training and wait for the inevitible injuries to happen (this is also a WVC year) and trade him then.
(Maybe the Cubs will have a starter go down in ST and will need marquis.)
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 11, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But how much salary will we eat?
That’s the big issue for me. If we’re eating half his salary just to move him, it doesn’t necessarily do us much good. I’m OK with keeping him as a #6 SP. Let some of the younger guys (Marshall, Gaudin) get a shot for #5. And if/when Harden goes down, we’ll have Marquis as a serviceable #5 guy.
by varrys on Dec 11, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this says that other offers came forward for other assets
the cubs need in order
1) LH power bat
2) LH or switch lead off bat
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Dec 11, 2008 12:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Use the pieces to get something better
IMO once DeRosa’s name got out there as possibly being on the block the Cubs got lots of teams willing to be the 3rd or 4th team. So perhaps its time for the Cubs to see what else they can get for DeRosa, Marshall, Marquis, Cedeno and so on.
Would Peavy be a good addition? Sure… Do the Cubs have bigger needs than their starting rotation? Absolutely! I think it makes a lot of sense for the Cubs to see what other trading partners are out there and figure out if the elusive LH bat who can actually play defense and isn’t insane is available via trade.
by dmlichte on Dec 11, 2008 12:22 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
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by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
remember it could be the best trade that didn't happen
Peavy breaks down in ’09
Vitters has big year in A ball and goes to Daytona and grows
Pie stays and blossoms
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Dec 11, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't disagree ...
but I can’t think of what the Cubs could do from here, other than re-stock the farm system.
If they sign Bradley, they’re essentially set at every position, with multiple options at second and right (because of DeRosa).
Unless they could trade for a shortstop … ?
by elgato on Dec 11, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha, I like your last caveat
Im not too jazzed about the prospects of Milton Bradley, who is essentially a DH at this point
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, who is that LH bat that might be available by trade?
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by DGU on Dec 11, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy Hermida springs to mind
as does Jason Kubel (in a DeRosa trade)
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by Trey2317 on Dec 11, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully there'd be more of a return than just either of those two players
I’d like to think we can get more than that for DeRosa
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 11, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's something interesting:
I read that the Marlins are shopping Hermida for a catcher. (Wasn’t Hermida a catcher in the minors?)
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 11, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Willingham was the C.
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by DGU on Dec 11, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhh, thanks!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 11, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hermida talks have been on-going besides this
Neither Hermida nor Kubel cost what Peavy would have cost.
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by DGU on Dec 11, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, so if the left-handed bat is a more pressing need
and he can be acquired cheaper than Peavy, it makes sense to do that. I think DeRosa for Kubel, with some other parts traded in there, would be beneficial for both teams.
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by Trey2317 on Dec 11, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure Kubel's price should be as high as DeRosa
but there are ways that could happen.
The problem with that reports about the Cubs and Twins talking DeRosa mentioned pitchers and the implication I got from those reports seemed to suggest they hadn’t talked before, which made me think Kubel wasn’t on their radar. As always, could be reading way too much into things….
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by DGU on Dec 11, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So would a minor league pitcher and Kubel for DeRosa work for you?
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by Trey2317 on Dec 11, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the pitcher
and on what the Cubs planned to do at 2B.
Everyone else keeps saying DeRosa is so valuable because he can play multiple positions. To me, DeRosa is valuable because he’s one of the best 2B in the game. I wouldn’t trade DeRosa straight-up for a LH OF like Kubel who has a lot of question marks (as well as a lot of upside).
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by DGU on Dec 11, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does that mean you don't trust Fontenot?
Given the chance to play a full season, the pop he had in his bat last year could be valuable. I think DeRosa’s better, but Fontenot isnt’ an awful replacement, and Kubel does have upside, as you said.
by varrys on Dec 11, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious about Fontenot.
There’s a reason Lou didn’t play him more often than he did. I’d be comfortable going into spring with Furcal, Theriot, and Fontenot as my three middle IFs. I would not be comfortable with Theriot-Fontenot-Aurilia.
But, yeah, Fontenot’s 2008 hitting line interests me a lot.
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by DGU on Dec 11, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hermida has got to have a higher ceiling than Kubel, no?
better to use the prospects on him
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
here’s BA’s Top 100 from 2005:
15. Prince Fielder, 1b, Brewers
16. Adam Miller, rhp, Indians
17. Jason Kubel, of, Twins
18. Jeremy Hermida, of, Marlins
19. Chad Billingsley, rhp, Dodgers
20. Jeff Niemann, rhp, Devil Rays
21. Brian Dopirak, 1b, Cubs
22. Carlos Quentin, of, Diamondbacks
23. Jeff Francis, lhp, Rockies
24. Nick Swisher, of, Athletics
25. Jose Capellan, rhp, Brewers
In a lot of ways Kubel and Hermida are comparable.
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by DGU on Dec 11, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
You mean like Dopirak and Quentin are comparable?
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Dec 11, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference is that we have to compete with more teams for Hermida
Teams with more to give.
by Wreckard on Dec 11, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't know
because I’m not a GM. But the fact is that once DeRosa’s name hit the rumormill lots of teams came forward. You put out there that DeRosa and Marshall are available in a trade and perhaps even Vitters and a lot of players we never expected suddenly might become available.
by dmlichte on Dec 11, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless they sign a FA
So looking for what’s out there should not matter
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 11, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
change the title to
“Its dead! Its dead!”
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 11, 2008 12:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd still pursue Roberts..
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 11, 2008 12:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Amen...
Keep Vitters, his stock may even rise.
…and get our leadoff man, Brian Roberts!
by EJThunder on Dec 11, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well Roberts might cost Vitters
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope that Hendry would hang on to Vitters
and get a deal done with everyone besides Vitters.
I’d still want to the Cubs to hang on to DeRo…. we shall see.
Vitters may be the player to step up when Ramirez / Lee leave, whether that be by free-agency or a salary saving trade.
by EJThunder on Dec 11, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
We are all praying that Josh Vitters turns into our version of David Wright!!
by MrShowtime on Dec 11, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Not even one?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, daver, just for you...
one in a million!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 11, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're sayin' there's a chance...

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Don’t lose sleep over Vitters in the middle of the order. He’s light years away if at all.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Dec 11, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's certainly true...
…but, in all seriousness, sometimes it seems like people get a little carried away with this poo-pooing (if I may use such a term) of Cubs prospects. I mean, yeah, sure, Vitters is just a prospect and he could certainly turn out to be a bust. But, by the same token, couldn’t he also turn out to be a stud? He clearly has the talent and athletic abilities. Why is it an absolute certainty that he will fail?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that they over-hyping of some prospects recently
has set a precedent of high expectations, and then disappointment..
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 11, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or better yet, go after Derek Lowe or Furcal or Dunn
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 11, 2008 12:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So now
we’re supposed to believe Towers? More posturing.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 11, 2008 12:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i'm not saying the deal is dead
but why would Towers be posturing on this? If Hendry came out with these comments i’d understand, but Towers would only be decreasing his leverage further by suggesting the deal was dead with the Cubs
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They both held their positions
Towers wanted a Herschel Walker type deal and Jimbo didnt want to give up DeRosa……what can you do but move on?
Lets hope Harden and Z stay healthy and the Canuck can perform
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Towers is a blowhard.
I don’t see how this hurts his leverage..
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 11, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok......
then i guess we have different understandings of the intricacies and the art of negotiation. Where i come from it’s usually not good for your leverage to come out and say: “The 1 chance we had at making a deal is now done”
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry and Towers are holding their ground...
Hendry has said that a RF and moving Marquis are his top priorities and neither has happened yet. Towers tried to set a deadline and Hendry didn’t budge. Talks will start again. This isn’t Brian Roberts. SD has to move Peavy..
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 11, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right
but when talks start again you think the price will INCREASE because of what Towers has said here?
my guess is the price comes back DOWN, which would mean this isn’t posturing, unless he’s a complete idiot and is posturing to bring the price down
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Cubs sign Bradley
the price could go up… Hendry has to hang onto his prospects cause he may need to use some to get a RF..
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 11, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what?
why would a cubs signing make the price go up? That’s crazy, especially considering Hendry has said he feels he knows what the options are at RF through the FA market
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's how this could be negotiations (which I don't necessarily believe)
KT: Jim, I’ve got to get this done this week if it’s going to get done, so give me 6 players.
JH: Kevin, I’m flooded with interesting offers for DeRosa and I’m not ready to do this, ignoring all those offers. This doesn’t have to get done right now.
KT: Jim, we’ve got a deal, let’s do it.
JH: I may still do this, but not now.
KT leaves and goes straight to the mics, saying “It’s dead,” hoping that JH comes back to the table and pursues him. That’s what KT could have to gain; he could be tired of being the pursuer.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 11, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Conquest-
He was out to make a conquest
Didn’t care what harm was done
Just as long as he won
The prize
Conquest-
She was just another conquest
Didn’t care whose heart was broke
Love to him was a joke
’til he looked into her eyes
And then in the strange way things happen
The roles were reversed from that day
The hunted became the huntress
The hunter became the prey
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Dec 11, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this a White Stripes blog now?
and yes, I know that was a cover song
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DGU’s point about KT becoming tired of being the pursuer….made me think of the last lines quoted there. So, not completely OT.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Dec 11, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sun Tzu
If you are in the strong position, stay in the strong position and no need to move to a weak position.
If you are in a weaker position force your opponent to move away from that position into a weaker position.
Hendry had nothing to gain by moving now, Peavy was not going anywhere, actually by pursuing his cache of dealables like McLouth he strengthens his position for Tower’s only exit strategy is gone—-he cannot control Peavy’s NTC
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Dec 11, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
SD may not have to take Marquis...
Anyways, all I said is that doesn’t hurt Towers leverage. You’re the one asking how it increases is leverage, so I gave an example.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 11, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you said he's posturing
the definition of posturing is to strategically position
why would you “strategically position” to stay at equilibrium?
which is why i inferred you were suggesting he was trying to GAIN leverage, which again would make no sense
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The definition is..
To assume an exaggerated or unnatural pose or mental attitude; attitudinize.
The trade’s not dead. Towers is exaggerating.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 11, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's trying to draw Hendry out
More or less bluffing with the “dead” thing. His price will drop. It’s whether or not Hendry will be there next week or the week after for that price-drop. Hey, I feel like Walmart.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
calling Hendry’s bluff.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 11, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, please.
What do you want, a personal phone call from Towers? It’s D E A D.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jim edmonds D E A D?
or Brian Roberts trade talk D E A D?
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I was right about the Roberts thing last year.
Admittedly, wrong about Edmonds. But this is NOT posturing.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i completely agree with you
and i was D E A D wrong about Edmonds too :)
just giving you a hard time
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keith Law had Edmonds ranked higher on his list of FAs than Ibanez
last night on espnnews
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Talks will start next week
once Towers is done pouting.. They need to move Peavy and the Cubs are the only option. Hendry’s not going to give up 6 players for him though.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 11, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here are updates from...
… Bruce Miles and Tom Krasovic of the San Diego Union-Tribune.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That SDUT article
says that its not unusual for trade talks to revive, so after 6 weeks or so of this would you really be surprised if Hendry gets back in it, provided they still want to deal Peavy and the Cubs are Jakes only preference?
I’m glad Hendry didnt cave in, but all along our only chance was Peavys desire to come here, so if that doesnt change, its hard to imagine six weeks of negotiations disappearing
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course the talks could be revived.
But Towers isn’t posturing.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt think he was...
I just think if they had six weeks of dialog, presumably with some small amount of progress, it wouldnt be that hard to resume them after a few other pieces fall in place
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If talks open again
sure as hell was..
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 11, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean to say that
you don’t think Towers is posturing.
...
by Chitown Mojo on Dec 11, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I mean to say that...
… Towers isn’t posturing.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And here I thought
that Towers was the only person privy to his own real intentions.
...
by Chitown Mojo on Dec 11, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brown and Edes disagree
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-teixeiranegotiations121108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns&expire=1
They make it sound like the Cubs still think it can get done, and that Towers is just posturing.
by Wreckard on Dec 11, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
After the Cubs get a RF
talks will start.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 11, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorta glad it worked out this way.
I got run over by others when I mentioned " If DeRosa is in the deal I wouldn’t make the deal". If that was the case good for Hendry. I would still like Peavy on this team however Towers is asking for a ton. Peavy is not Lincecum, CC, Z, Beckett or Hamels. Towers wanted Sandberg, Dawson, Sutter and DeRosa.
Just please Jimbo, No Milton Bradley.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Dec 11, 2008 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Let's guess who next year's player who we focus on and don't get is.
Dallas Green!
by SonnyJ9 on Dec 11, 2008 12:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll guess Ichiro
No reason behind it, just a guess
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 11, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was racking my brain trying to think of that...
what would we need next year?
If they sign an OF this year, that erases that, but maybe one less year on Fukudome or Soriano or Z’s deal might make them more palatable to other teams.
Maybe BJ Upton, hes not going to take a Longoria type deal, so he might be out of their range in a short while
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jake Peavy.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Dec 11, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, seriously, that wouldnt be a shock
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i say it only half-jokingly.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Dec 11, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Frankie Francisco.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 11, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure you don't mean...
…Stevie Sacramento?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should all 'rec' this....
and bump the last fanpost with Bruce Levine down….
by EJThunder on Dec 11, 2008 12:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Done.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 11, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
looks like you get the last laugh
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 11, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew this deal would never happen, but I also know that in about a week
We will see a story where the talks start back up, then come spring training we will get real close again.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 11, 2008 12:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jim is just getting leverage
The price will go down, and Jim will be right back in it.
by uwbadger on Dec 11, 2008 12:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that's my take
and i LOVE it
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Part of my frustration with this offseason...
is that Hendry hasn’t done anything to improve the team.
I hope a smart move is on it’s way. I don’t care who it is, as long as it makes logical sense for this team and it’s high(er) hopes for this season.
by EJThunder on Dec 11, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
amen
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
off season just really began
signed dempster
payroll increased to $140M
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Dec 11, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In a sea of 97 wins.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I know improvements are coming; I’m just getting impatient.
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 11, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's going to be VERY hard...
….to improve from 97 wins. I’m trying to prepare everyone for that, because it’s strong possibility.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Dec 11, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs are likely to regress
However, the only moves so far were to let Howry and Wood leave, while picking up Gregg for Howry’s spot. Resinging Dempster was treading water, since that is not a change. So we are essentially minus one very good reliever in out bullpen.
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 11, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, that is true.
Let’s hope Guzman can step up or Gaudin or Samardzija can pitch well with a little more consistency.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say
that I agree with you—just because the team is not improving, not because of any other issues, personal or otherwise.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Dec 11, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if we regress from 97 wins to 11 postseason wins
i don’t care.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 11, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+11 (postseason wins)
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 (postseaon win first)
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 11, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that first ones
proving to be a doozy. :-/
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 11, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And coincidentally
also -1 on the Phil Rogers transactions grading scale…
Though if you include Ward, Hank White and Jimmy Baseball we’re at a whopping -4.
"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens
by bobby h on Dec 11, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Worse
Demp in 09 will not be as good as Demp in 08
and Kevin Gregg in ANY year will not be as good as Wood in 08.
We are indeed going backwards.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 11, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gregg isn't Wood...
But his numbers aren’t as bad as some believe. Bill James’s Handbook showed his Component ERA last year was actually better than his actual ERA. Of course, ERC doesn’t mean much in the “real world,” but it shows there’s hope. I’m OK with Gregg in a setup role.
by varrys on Dec 11, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gregg can play a positive role.
But he is the same type of pitcher as Michael Wuertz (only more expensive and not as good), so you may be fine with Gregg in a setup role, but he and Lou are going to be a fine pair to watch.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 11, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I've been saying
Simply brining back thte ‘08 Cubs isn’t going to change the outcome of the last two post seasons. Moreover Hendry has downgraded the team, so far….
I’ve got faith, he’s been an excellent GM IMO.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Dec 11, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Patience
The dominoes have started to fall with Sabathia signing. The guys the Cubs are after aren’t in the top tier and these guys are waiting to see where the top tier free agents sign.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 11, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm OK with not getting Peavy.
I was worried that by locking up our remaining wiggle room for Peavy, we wouldn’t be able to pursue the other things we need—namely, offensive power.
As good as Peavy is (I’m not worried about him falling apart or pitching horribly outside of SD), our rotation was good enough last year to get us to the playoffs and nearly win 100 games. Aside from Marquis (who at least eats innings), I see no problem with keeping our rotation as it is. We’re already spending a ton on our starters (aren’t we almost spending the most on our rotation, compared to anyone else not named the Yankees?), so why add more to it?
Instead, I want to see them get a power bat. That, even more than a leadoff hitter to bump Soriano down, is the top priority.
by varrys on Dec 11, 2008 12:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If the farm is so bad...
If our farm system is so bad that it made it difficult to get this deal done, then why did the cubs just lose three players in the rule 5 draft?
by SammySosa on Dec 11, 2008 12:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
which ones?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 11, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Veal, not sure about the rest
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Dec 11, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So let me be the first to ask...
…do you think any teams will “try the Veal”?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 11, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because
the Cubs have a full 40 man roster and each of those guys is a special case.
Veal is a guy who’s got a million dollar arm and a ten-cent head. (Actually, he’s not dumb, he’s just sensitive.)
Holliman is a guy who can’t throw 88 mph, but has had some success in the minors and the Brewers figure “What’s the harm in sticking him in AAA?”
Carter is no good at all and I have no idea what Oakland was thinking.
by Josh77 on Dec 11, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Veal question
Should the Cubs have tried Veal in the bullpen before leaving him unprotected?
by Luis on Dec 11, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They wouldn't have had to do that.
All they had to do was put him on the 40-man roster.
Do we even have 40 players ON our roster at this point?
Sometimes I feel like Hendry doesn’t understand how the Rule 5 draft works. I see only 36 players on the 40-man at Cubs.com, and that includes a TON of dead weight.
Was Veal really worth less than Marcos Mateo, Justin Berg, Mitch Atkins, Jake Fox, Brad Snyder, Sam Fuld, and Koyie Hill?
Seriously, can anyone explain this?
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by D98 on Dec 11, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't make any sense to me.
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by Al on Dec 11, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Terrell Young will definitely stay with the Nats.
I can’t see the Brewers toting Holliman on their 25-man roster all season, though.
But I can see Pittsburgh putting Donny Veal in their LOOGY spot and leaving him there for a year to retain his rights.
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by D98 on Dec 11, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holliman was taken in the AAA portion
so he has to stay in Nashville the entire season, I believe.
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by Trey2317 on Dec 11, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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