Now that Peavy to the Cubs appears to be dead....
The Cubs will probably sign Milton Bradley. I think he's a great fit even with his "distractions" off the field. That lame bogus description of Bradley makes me laugh because as long as it's not teammate to teammate/coach then it's all good . Last year, the incident involving the brodcaster, I got a good laugh at that too. It didn't really affect his play. If I think about it, nothing really affected his play. Sure people will say he's a cancer in the clubhouse, but all the players have said that he was a joy to be around.
I understand that Lou won't baby him like Ron Washington did. However, he has proven to me that he's a great offensive player with flashes of pretty good defense. I'm not going to say that he's Kosuke in right, but I can say that he isn't as bad as Bobby Abreu, Mark DeRosa, or Micah Hoffapuir.
Also, he is injury prone. But you guys know what, players can't choose to get injuried or not. It just happens. For a team not to sign a player that is currently healthy but is worried about their past, it's just mind boggling to me. To me, Bradley is an all-star calibar player. He produces on the field.
I don't want to create more drama here, but I think it would be in the Cubs best interest to attempt to acquire Brian Roberts once more. What more can I say. He's an leadoff hitter with speed, gives the team another left handed bat, and will push Soriano down.
As for Peavy, the Cubs didn't really need him. Like Al said, it was a luxury if they happened to acquire him. Apparently, Towers asked for too much. Move on. The Randy Johnson rumors interest me but to a degree I wonder if he's even 1/2 of himself 3 or 4 years ago. If they could get a 1 year deal, do it.
Rotation looks solid, bullpen looks pretty good, and the offense (assuming that they get Bradley and maybe Roberts) looks like a top notch hitting machine.
Roberts
Lee
Soriano
Bradley
Ramirez
Soto
Fukudome
DeRosa
Bradley's stats via Baseball-reference:
Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP +--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+ 2000 22 MON NL 42 154 20 34 8 1 2 15 2 1 14 32 .221 .288 .325 53 50 1 1 0 1 3 2001 23 TOT 77 238 22 53 17 3 1 19 8 5 21 65 .223 .288 .332 60 79 2 0 0 1 7 MON NL 67 220 19 49 16 3 1 19 7 4 19 62 .223 .288 .336 60 74 2 0 0 1 6 CLE AL 10 18 3 4 1 0 0 0 1 1 2 3 .222 .300 .278 55 5 0 0 0 0 1 2002 24 CLE AL 98 325 48 81 18 3 9 38 6 3 32 58 .249 .317 .406 93 132 1 0 2 0 12 2003 25 CLE AL 101 377 61 121 34 2 10 56 17 7 64 73 .321 .421 .501 147 189 0 5 8 5 10 2004 26 LAD NL 141 516 72 138 24 0 19 67 15 11 71 123 .267 .362 .424 108 219 3 1 3 6 12 2005 27 LAD NL 75 283 49 82 14 1 13 38 6 1 25 47 .290 .350 .484 118 137 4 1 1 2 6 2006 28 OAK AL 96 351 53 97 14 2 14 52 10 2 51 65 .276 .370 .447 114 157 0 1 1 2 13 2007 29 TOT 61 209 37 64 9 1 13 37 5 2 31 41 .306 .402 .545 153 114 0 1 3 3 5 OAK AL 19 65 6 19 4 0 2 7 2 1 8 14 .292 .373 .446 122 29 0 1 1 1 2 SDP NL 42 144 31 45 5 1 11 30 3 1 23 27 .313 .414 .590 167 85 0 0 2 2 3 2008 30 TEX AL 126 414 78 133 32 1 22 77 5 3 80 112 .321 .436 .563 163 233 0 6 13 9 10
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I don't think you'll see Roberts in the same lineup as DeRo.
1. Lou won’t play either at SS.
2. They can’t afford both.
3. DeRo would probably be part of the trade bait to get Roberts.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
Willy Taveras was non-tendered
SB: 68 (led majors?) CS: 7
Just a thought
He does play a superb center field.
Just saying….
His OPS in 2008 was 8 points higher than Jason Marquis'.
Taveras isn’t nearly as good of a pitcher as Jason, and he has no value as an OF with that OPS….
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
22 HR and 77 RBI is an all star OF?
Bradley isnt the answer
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
who's the answer?
don’t tell me bobby abreu
by lexmarklover on Dec 12, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
i really dont know
I know I want Dunn for his offensive prowess. If the choice is between Abreu and Bradley, id opt for the guy with the better track record, Abreu as Bradley is a DH at this point
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
i like dunn to but he's going to demand 10-12 mil a year
while Bradley is going to ask for 7-9 mil. It saves you money. Dunn would be a great threat at Wrigley, but Bradley’s defense is much better than Dunn’s. That’s why i would choose Bradley
by lexmarklover on Dec 12, 2008 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
I think Bradley is going to be in the 10M range
bradleys defense isnt much better than Dunns b/c he rarely plays in the field and Dunns cost is probably going to come down (if he wants to play for a winner). And Dunn isnt a perpetual injury risk either
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
I have since changed my mind from Bradley
to Dunn. I know the liability in the field but if they are ALL liabilities, why not go for an almost guaranteed 40HR?
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 13, 2008 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
Did you miss
The .436 OBP? Did you miss the fact that Bradley had the highest OPS in the AL last season?
RBIs are a worthless stat for determining player value and besides, when is 77 RBI in 126 games for a bad team a poor performance?
I’ve said this before: there are a lot of reasons to not want the Cubs to acquire Milton Bradley. That’s he’s unproductive isn’t one of them. In fact, it’s just flat-out wrong.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 12, 2008 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Couldn’t say it better myself.
Project his numbers out to a 145-150 games and see how big of a year he had last year.
We probably we won’t get that kind of production from him, but I wouldn’t be suprised if he did.
With as strong as our lineup is from top to bottom.
If he stays healthy which he is likely to do since his knee is 100% and he’s been working out very hard in the offseason, this is the line I project from him
.315/.430/.580 w 30 HRs 109 rbis 110 runs 15sb 105bb 115k
Imagine the numbers Aramis Ramirez will put up in the 3 spot with some real protection behind him? When was the last time Aramis had legitimate protection behind him? When was the last time the Cubs had a real power threat from the leftside let alone one that hits from both sides?
If we put two rabbits w high OBP in front of Aramis, Milton, and Alfonso, we could see all 3 of those guys drive in over 100 runs!!
you cant project them out that far
because his career high is 141 games, so on what basis is he likely to stay healthy when hes never done so to this point in his career?
And his OPS this year was .999 compared to his .827 career mark
And if youre getting him to hit in the middle of the order, then yes, Id say his RBI totals do matter. the fact that he had only 77 RBIS for the team which lead both leagues in runs and RBIs, then Id say he isnt the solution to whatever problem our offense supposedly has b/c the Cubs ranked second in those two categories.
Bottom line; too many injuries, too much of a DH, too much of a headcase, we already have Zambrano to fill that role
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Plus his
defence is better than any of the other guys recently discussed and he can play all 3 OF positions (just sayin’ in case a certain OF’er who hops b4 a catch gets hurt again).
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
amen to that!
when a guy has played for a bunch of different teams, i think there is a problem w/ the guy?
it seems like there is some issue w/ this guy every where he goes. leave it to our beloved cubbies to sign some turd to a bad contract! i.e..soriano, marquis, fukedome!
i just wish they would let fontenot play second and put dero out in rt and i hate to bring this up, but trade for peavy, our pitching is not going to hold up!
by bassncubs10 on Dec 13, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
he had 77 RBI because of who was hitting in
front of him all year. There was a guy, uh, umm, let me think, oh Josh Hamilton who pretty much cleared the bases before Milton hit last year. Hamilton led all of MLB in RBI, nearly getting to 100, before the break. Focus on Bradley’s AL-leading .999 OPS and .436 OBP to see his value. You keep trying to poke holes in Bradley because of your man-crush on Dunn. Your position is justified in wanting Dunn, so leave it at that.
If we get either of them it will be a better lineup than in ’08.
2008 was the only year Bradley has led any league in anything.
So is that what you’d be getting? Or is that a fluke.
I vote fluke.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
true, but
What has Jeremy Hermida led the league in? Or even cracked the top 20 in something?
He had a good weekend in Wrigley vs the Cubs and you guys are acting like he’s the next superstar in exile in Florida.
I have watched 100+ marlins games each of the last 3 years, and I go to about 20 a year. He’s nothing better or will be nothing better then a Jeremy Burnitz/Eric Hinkse type player. Look at Florida’s track record, if they are willing to unload someone, there is something wrong with them. Watch this year, watch how bad Mike Jacobs will be in KC, and how Scott Olsen won’t even win 10 game in Washington. Josh Willingham might be someone they regret dumping but with the injury concerns, they couldn’t risk it.
Get of the Jeremy Hermida bandwagon, time to look for someone with real potential, I don’t know who that is, but Jeremy Hermida would be a huge disappointment in Chicago.
Hermida is 24.
Bradley is 31. We already know what Bradley can do. Hermida, at 24, still has upside.
I acknowledge the risks with Hermida. At least you wouldn’t be getting someone with anger problems.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Derrek Lee has started more fights on the field than Milton Bradley
For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.
by Less is Walrond on Dec 13, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Disingenuous.
Can you imagine what would have happened in that situation if Bradley had been the hitter against Chris Young instead of D-Lee?
Young might still be in the hospital.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
And Bradley would still be in jail...
The only way that Gameboard could do that much damage to a guy as big as Chris Young would be to bring a bat with him to the mound.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
See, that's the kind of thing I worry about.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I really respect DLee...
…but watch the tape of that confrontation – Lee wanted no part of Young. Lee reacted out of reflex, but then he realized what he did and was not comfortable.
Overall, the Cubs have a fairly subdued personality as a team, maybe they could use someone with a genuine edge – at least towards the competition.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I laughed at first
then I thought what a real candy-ass D-Lee was in that situation. He reminded of the typical sissy fight I see in the NBA all the time. He probably figured Young could beat the crap out of him.
If he’s gonna have the cahoonas to throw the first punch, at least act like a man and fight. Otherwise just take the base.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
Kind of reminded me...
…of that one fight Bobby Orr got in years ago. Instead of dropping his gloves, he threw them at the other guy and kind of pawed at him like a girl.
Don’t get me wrong, I still think Bobby Orr is the greatest hockey player whoever lived.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Ramirez would be better suited for the #3 spot as well
Soriano cant hack it in the three hole
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Completly agree.
Bradley would be an absolutely perfect fit batting cleanup. He’s the only FA OF that actually gets me excited.
But if we couldn’t get Roberts last year, how would we get him this year? I don’t think we’ll try to pursue him…Macphail probably still wants too much. I wouldn’t be shocked if we tried to pursue Chone Figgins though. He’s no Brian Roberts but isn’t too bad.
Maybe not:
It’s a shame that a franchise has to suffer because of ownership issues like this. Maybe Towers will lower his price, but even then I’m still scared of Peavy’s elbow.
Ron Santo should sing TMOTTBG everyday. Period.
Deal's not dead.
Towers is full of crap.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
I have no idea why everyone likes chone figgins
Chone Figgins is Ryan Theriot light. I don’t understand why theriot is not our leadoff hitter, in fact, it’s pretty clear cut. He gets on base, has a low slg, and doesn’t strike out that much. I’m not sure how much more legitimate you get.
by scarymonsters85 on Dec 13, 2008 12:01 AM CST reply actions
I like how you just assume
we get the PTBNL.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Hmm...
“For a team not to sign a player that is currently healthy but is worried about their past, it’s just mind boggling to me.”
Why would a team not consider a player’s medical history? That statement makes no sense. Outside of freak accidents, injured players are more likely to be injured again.
Free Ronny Cedeno
Axelrod and Peavy will force Towers to drop his price.
He’ll come back to Hendry in a week or three and they might strike a deal then. If not then Peavy winds up elsewhere.
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
"Appears" to be dead?
What part of “dead” didn’t you understand?
This deal might be revisited at midseason. Hendry has moved on.
That said, I think Bradley is overrated. Let’s leave his anger problems out of it for a moment, and just look at his numbers.
His 2008 numbers were impressive, true. However! They were put up in a launching pad of a ballpark. The 163 OPS+ is by far the best of his career. His career line of .280/.370/.457 is probably closer to who he really is — and isn’t that what we had hoped to get out of Kosuke Fukudome last year? And isn’t that what we might still get out of Dome in 2009? Bradley hit .290/.410/.462 in road games in 2008 — that’s a little above his career norms, and probably close to what we’d get from him as a Cub.
That’s good, but it’s not worth the huge amounts of money we’d have to spend. I’d rather reserve that for a midseason acquisition — especially since there is no guarantee we can move Jason Marquis — and put all efforts into dealing with the Marlins for Jeremy Hermida.
Finally, Bradley will be 31 in April, has leg problems, has had exactly ONE 500+ AB season in his nine year career, and hit only six homers away from Arlington last year (compared to 16 in Texas, in virtually the same number of at-bats).
He’s not worth it — and note I didn’t even mention the sideshow. It would be exactly what Hendry did when he signed Jeromy Burnitz four years ago after he put up huge numbers in Coors Field. Many of us warned that he’d decline, and that’s exactly what happened.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Do you think they learned their lesson?
Im kind of scared this is going to happen
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
he's no jeromy bernitz. Let's get real here.
And just because a stadium is a “launching pad” doesn’t mean anything until you actually hit the ball. I want Milton Bradley for other reason. For example, he gets on base around .380 of the time and he works the count like no other.
To be honest here, I really don’t understand your obsession with Luke Scott and Jeremy Hermida. Sure they will cost less money but getting Hermida or Scott for the championship run seems a little questionable. I’ll give you that Hermida and Scott have tons of talent as does bradley but Hermida has struck out 70, 105, 138 times in the past three years. Don’t get me wrong here, he will be a great player in 3 or 4 years. Right now, Bradley is the better player. An obs of .332, .369, .323 for the last three years. Doesn’t look real impressive to me. And sure because he plays in a cavernous park, he won’t produce as well as he would if he was at Wrigley. He needs time to develop, and I’m all for bring him in 2 of 3 years from now. Not this year.
Oh yea, don’t act as if Jeremy HErmida isn’t injury prone either.
Via Sportsnet.ca
Apr 8, 2008: Missed 7 games (strained left hamstring).
Mar 29, 2008: Strained left hamstring, 15-day DL.
Mar 2, 2008: Re-signed by the Florida Marlins to a one-year contract.
May 14, 2007: Missed 37 games (right knee injury).
Apr 1, 2007: Right knee injury, 15-day DL.
Mar 2, 2007: Re-signed by the Florida Marlins to a one-year contract.
Sep 28, 2006: Missed 4 games (right ankle injury).
Sep 26, 2006: Right ankle injury, day-to-day.
Sep 22, 2006: Missed 16 games (right ankle injury).
Sep 5, 2006: Right ankle injury, day-to-day.
May 22, 2006: Missed 36 games (hip flexor).
Apr 17, 2006: Hip flexor, 15-day DL (retroactive to April 12).
Apr 12, 2006: Hip flexor, day-to-day.
Aug 1, 2005: Contract purchased from Carolina (AA).
Mar 25, 2005: Assigned by the Florida Marlins to their minor league camp.
As for Luke Scott, he’s a decent player but I don’t think he really fits the role of a cleanup hitter that the Cubs are looking for. He doesn’t even hit left handers so if the Cubs were to acquire him, they would have to platoon him with another player. Fukudome? That just creates a major mess.
Bradley produces. I don’t think he’s a bad guy either.
by lexmarklover on Dec 13, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
You don't think he's a bad guy?
The evidence would suggest otherwise.
I admit Hermida is an injury risk.
Oh, and Bradley isn’t a .380 OBP guy. His career OBP is .370; throw out last year (which is an outlier year) and it’s (approximately) .366 — my math may be off.
Check Hermida’s road numbers and Bradley’s and then tell me again who’s the player more likely to succeed in Wrigley Field.
Incidentally, your injury list is quite a bit longer than it should be, because it double-counts several injuries (i.e. he was on the 15-day DL March 29, 2008, and missed 7 games — that’s not two injuries), and it also counts a minor league recall and two contract signings. I count five injuries, two of which had him miss a week or less.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Hermida isn't a stud
his .729 OPS is lower than fukudomes this year. In his first full year, he put up less than league average numbers for his position.
by scarymonsters85 on Dec 13, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Hermida's career OPS is .778.
Not great, but better than .729. It can be argued that 2008 was an off year for him.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
it all depends on who we give up for hermida
his career 103 OPS + is nothing more than average. If the deal is packaged around scraps, then yeah, why not get him. I personally don’t feel he is any better than our internal options, which the more I think, is our best bet.
by scarymonsters85 on Dec 13, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Excellent.
Great Post, wish I saw this before I posted mine.
Jesus, Luke Scott? Come on, Camden Yards is also a “launching pad”
Both players are just 4th OF’s on Championship teams, and even though the Cubs haven’t won anything, I consider them Championship Calibur.
Al
Please take no offense to these comments as they are just my observations however:
I have noticed over the last few weeks you’ve pretty much thumbed your nose at: Jake Peavy, Milton Bradley , Adam Dunn, Randy Johnson, Raul Ibanez, Bobby Abreu and some other players who could be very good on this Cubs team at present.
Every time it seems like the Cubs are even thinking about player A for example immediately the response is “He’s Not worth it, he has injuries blah blah blah”
While most of the time i agree with your feelings for the Cubs I have to say that immediately shooting down any and all of these potential signings makes for a rather dull conversation.
I think and again this is just my opinion and what I have seen. Im not trying to bad mouth you or anything but The Jake Peavy conversations where as if it was like he was Jason Marquis #2 and not the 2007 Cy Young award winner.
Just an observation :)
Basically...
… I’m “thumbing my nose”, as you so charmingly put it, at the notion that simply throwing money at the top free agents is the answer to everything. It’s not. I don’t think any of them is the answer to “why can’t the Cubs win in October?”
Would Jake Peavy be good on the Cubs? Sure he would. He’d also cost a fortune in players and money, and hamstring Jim Hendry’s ability to improve the team midseason.
I have put forth a reasonable alternative — Jeremy Hermida. I’m not sure what the opposition to that possibility is.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Seriously?
We could start with an extremely sub-par 2008, which incidently is his only full season worth of at-bats. Move on to the reports floating around from baseball people, with one scout describing him as having “no passion for the game”.
From there, the fact that he’s been a woeful underperformer for years with the Marlins, which I believe is the reason that they’d like him gone. He’s got nice numbers at Wrigley, but I’m really not certain that he slugs like a middle-of-the order guy, even just giving him the benefit of only his away splits. And let’s not forget that he’s had some injury issues himself.
It’s not that I’m opposed to him fundamentally — hell, I’m all for giving Fukudome the benefit of another half-season in right — but you have to at least recognize that Hermida is something of a flawed player himself.
And yes, I know it’s a weird time of the year, and some of these rumors are tired, but you seem like you want to capitulation on these topics, and really, we come here to debate them.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 13, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
True enough regarding debate.
But I see the Bradley proponents refusing to acknowledge his downside, and that’s without even taking the anger issues into account. He’s often injured, and his 2008 seems to be a fluke season.
I can’t understand how you can say Hermida has underperformed “for years”. He’s 24 and been a major league regular for exactly two seasons.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Some people will never come in
out of the rain, instead convincing themselves that it’s never that bad. That’s just life.
I’m not a Bradley fan at all, but they do make some points. Bradley has always been able to find a job, so I’d imagine that even some of the front office folks tend to agree with the Bradley supporters here too.
As for Hermida, I’ll have to dig a little deeper. The word that I got from some of the fan base is that Florida soured on him; maybe too quickly, but still.
You should remember who the Cubs are dealing with though in this Marlin management team. There is no one better in baseball at convincing people that the bag of s$$t they’re holding is a pound of gold. Just sayin.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 13, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
another potential reason for opposition to Hermida...
…is the acquisition “cost”. Not in dollars since this would be a trade, but in players given up.
I think most of us were excited about and thus in support of getting Peavy because of the relatively minimal cost. Various scenarios floating around in the media (and here) were Vitters, Pie and spare parts. Or Marshall, Pie and spare parts. Or flip DeRosa for prospects and add spare parts. Any of those would have been a good deal for us.
Well it turns out (if you believe the latest reports) that Towers was apparently asking for a Herschel Walker 6-for-1 type of deal, i.e. pretty much all of the above. If that was his position all along, frankly, I’m surprised it dragged out for as long as it did. Kudos to Hendry for being polite, patient, and most importantly for not giving in. I think this deal will be revisited at some point, and the asking price will be lower.
As for Hermida, I don’t think we’ve seen much, if anything, about what it would cost to acquire him. Guess that happens when the GM involved isn’t blabbing to the media day in and day out. But Florida’s track record would indicate that he’s not going to be cheap. And even if there are several red flags being raised about Hermida’s makeup and health, there’s no indication that Florida would discount their asking price appropriately.
If Hermida is indeed on the Cubs’ radar, I hope Hendry shows the same patience and resistance in these talks as he did on Peavy. Peavy is more of a sure thing than Hermida, and if Hendry didn’t want to empty out the farm plus move a valuable bat (DeRosa) for Peavy, I hope that he doesn’t pay a similar high price for Hermida.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Great Observation Galvan
And written very well.

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