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Cubs eyeing Lowe

from Jon Heyman and SI.com

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/hot_stove/posts/33061-cubs-yankees-among-several-teams-eyeing-lowe

 

I would love to have a good veteran pitcher like Lowe on this team and I think he could be an important piece to a World Series title.

 

 

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I'll tell you right now.

They will not get Lowe. For the crapload of money he is asking? And for how old he is? Great pitcher, but not within the Cubs’ price range.

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by zm1217 on Dec 16, 2008 9:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why?

This makes no sense.

by illini23 on Dec 16, 2008 9:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think that would make great sense

Cost notwithstanding

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 16, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

in the playoffs, obviously a big assumption, but having another top of the line starter is exactly what we need for the playoffs…and we saw how nasty he was against us.

bring up felix.

by kylejo on Dec 17, 2008 8:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe Lowe can be had for one big year

If things are not going to his liking or maybe a big year this year and option

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by Ivy Walls on Dec 17, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He seems pretty durable

So I dont know that anyone is really worried about his health

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 17, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you being sarcastic??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

We threw are three best starters in the playoffs…Dempster, Z, and Harden…we got swept…because we didn’t hit the ball and made too many costly errors. Do your homework before you look ignorant again. Yeah, if we had Lowe we would have won it all…lol

by Glen Bishop on Dec 17, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Dempster did freakin awesome in game 1

Steve Phillips on his computer use as Mets GM, "I played solitaire on my computer in my office."

by Tate491 on Dec 17, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

He had one bad inning in the 5th…we scored two runs the entire game…two fing runs…and we supposedly had the best O in the NL. Can’t blame Dep for losing game one but we could sure look at our O the entire series and blame them. Also, that’s game one of a 5 game series…where were our bats game two and three when Z pitched a good game (minus the errors) and Harden pitched a good game…we scored 6 Runs the entire series…that wouldn’t have been enough to win game one.

Again, our pitching isn’t why we lost…but our bats…

by Glen Bishop on Dec 17, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He couldn't hit the strike zone all game

The point is that you can never have too much good pitching on your roster in case someone is having an off night in the postseason. If you can get that pitching at or below market value, then why not?? Pitching wins in the playoffs.

Steve Phillips on his computer use as Mets GM, "I played solitaire on my computer in my office."

by Tate491 on Dec 17, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

4.2 IP, 7 BB, 4 H, 2 K, 7.71 ERA, 2.357 WHIP...

Dempster might not have been the ONLY one to blame for the Game 1 loss, but I certainly wouldn’t suggest that you CAN’T blame Dempster for the game 1 loss.

When you pencil in a Game 1 starter, you expect a heck of a lot better results than that. Dempster was terrible. He was fortunate that his line didn’t look worse than it was – he got bailed out of some early jams.

I think it was a little of everything. In game 1, it was our pitching and our offense. In game 2, it was our defense and our offense (and the pitching didn’t help). In game 3, it was our offense.

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 7:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One pitch changed game one and the series.

If Dempster strikes Loney out, we go to the last of the 5th leading 2-0; Lou probably yanks Dempster at that point and perhaps the bullpen holds the lead. When Loney hit the grand slam, you could feel all the air get sucked out of the park — probably deflated the team, too.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 17, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I thought he should have been yanked before the GS. Did you feel the same way at the time? I know hindsight is 20/20, but I really thought it was a bad idea at the time and said so, which made the homer that much worse for me.

Steve Phillips on his computer use as Mets GM, "I played solitaire on my computer in my office."

by Tate491 on Dec 17, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I did feel that way.

I thought he probably should have been yanked after four innings. Lou had Ted Lilly available — he wasn’t going to pitch till Sunday, so had three days more to rest — Lilly could have gone two innings and saved the pen and maybe the series.

Lou doesn’t seem to like using pitchers that way.

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by Al on Dec 17, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lilly would have made sense there...

Oh well. No point in rehashing old you-know-what.

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh.

You’re right.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 17, 2008 8:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

:(

Man, I hope we catch some postseason breaks if we’re fortunate enough to make it there this year.

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you're exactly right.

Even good teams need a little bit of luck ("breaks") to win.

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by Al on Dec 17, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And it was one pitch too many...

actually, it was probably more than one pitch too many. Dempster clearly didn’t have it that night. He was REALLY lucky to have gotten out of the first few innings with no runs.

On an unrelated note, the fact that the team folded in the fifth inning of Game 1 doesn’t say a lot for these guys.

But yes. That one pitch was the difference between Dempster having a lucky good start and Dempster having a bad start. Had he gotten Loney, he’d have had a lucky good start. He didn’t, and thus he had a bad start, and was as much to blame for the Game 1 loss as the offense.

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

But again — one pitch could have turned around the entire series.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 17, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No argument there...

Disappointing that one pitch early in Game 1 could have decided the series, though. What a disappointing week that was (shaking it off now).

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster was a Big inning waiting to happen

For the dodgers, he was in trouble the entire game. He did a Houdini for the first four innings, and when the Dodgers got a break and exploded in the fifth I was not surprised. IT WAS COMING.

by NYCUB FAN on Dec 21, 2008 10:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

now we are talking

But I think it’s a long shot..

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by Chanman25 on Dec 16, 2008 9:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

you know my first thought is it’s a case of yet another GM feeding Heyman misdirection to print, but when I really think about, it’s would make some sense.

Either way, I don’t hate the idea. At all.

by Damen Jackson on Dec 16, 2008 9:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Neither do I

I wouldn’t like a 4 or 5-year deal for him (maybe 3-4 years with a vesting option), but he’s won at least 12 games every year for the past seven years and has solid postseason experience, too.

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by Trey2317 on Dec 17, 2008 9:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Would you feel the same way about signing Lowe

if you knew that DeRo would be traded to make payroll room and that 2B would be manned by LBR and Onedec?

I don’t think the Cubs can clear enough of Marquis’ salary to sign Lowe otherwise.

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by DeRoMyHero on Dec 17, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on how much he gets

Hendry was willing to make room for Peavy. If Lowe really wants $17 million, then there’s no way. But if he’s in line with Peavy, then I don’t see why not.

Personally I’d be fine with trading DeRosa, just because I think we can get some damn good players for him from a team like the Twins.

by dr stabbingworth on Dec 17, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Your question has so many...

holes and assumptions that I wouldn’t even know where to begin. So, I guess the short answer is I’d favor acquiring him under the right circumstances, and as a fan I’d wouldn’t take any particular issue with the Cubs having to move a few chess pieces to make it happen.

by Damen Jackson on Dec 17, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Considering the signing of gathright and trading for gregg

This would make our offseason much better. He’d be a good 4th starter for this team

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by Chanman25 on Dec 16, 2008 9:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What does "eyeing" mean

In this instance? In the body of the article, I don’t see any mention of the Cubs expressing interest. I know the Cubs would love to have him — so would any team I bet. But other than that, how can this make any sense in the context given by Heyman? Sure, they might cost the same, but Peavy is younger and better (presuming both stay healthy, and even though Lowe has been a workhorse who always takes his turn, he is 8 years older, so that’s what I’d consider a wash.)

That being said, of course Lowe would be a great addition to the Cubs. Winner, playoff veteran, always takes the ball, and from what I remember, a good teammate. A 4 year deal scares me a little, but Lowe probably isn’t one of those pitchers who will “lose it” in the next few years. This might also mean we’d have to dump Marquis and trade for a lefty outfielder. Or stand pat. OR blow a bunch of money and happily surprise everyone.

But this smells to me like Heyman’s speculation.

by JodyDavis on Dec 16, 2008 9:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

There was this girl at the library today.

I was eyeing her.

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by dtpollitt on Dec 16, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Picked up

The Metaphysical Club by Louis Menand, The Sportswriter by Richard Ford, and some urban ed. policy book. Lil light reading for break. I just realized these three books have nothing in common.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Dec 16, 2008 10:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but your eyeing of the girl...

had a lot in common with the Cubs eyeing Lowe. Lots of desire but no action?

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Dec 16, 2008 11:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What are you...

…studying in grad school? Maybe that’ll explain you’re library list. – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 17, 2008 9:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"you're" supposed to be "your"

…I’m an idiot. – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 17, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Former teacher pursuing a doctorate in special education. My focus is mainly high-incidence disabilities, like learning disabilities. Adolescent literacy, secondary school reform, and statistical analysis are all mixed in there, too. Hope to be an administrator or professor in the near future.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Dec 17, 2008 5:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Statistics is good times...

having gone through my fair share in grad school. Frustrating at times, but pretty useful. Good luck.

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just finished regression class.

Moving onto multivariate next semester. It’s fun to toy around with some baseball stats and actually (kind of) know what I’m doing.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Dec 17, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Sportswriter

was a decent read, but I thought the two subsequent books in the series were actually better. It moves a little slow, but stick with it!

Demp and Rich: proof that people that live in igloos and say "eh" can contibute!

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Dec 17, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It came highly recommended. The beginning has been quite good thus far.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Dec 17, 2008 5:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I loved The Sportswriter

and Richard Ford is a gifted writer. I’ve read all his books and snatch up any new ones the minute they come out. You won’t be disappointed. He’s excellent with middle aged angst, something I think we’re all encountering these days middle aged or not ;-)

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by Emelie on Dec 19, 2008 5:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's a good pitcher and I'd love to have him,

but how???
How in the world is Hendry supposed to find the cash to sign Derrek Lowe?

by dakoose on Dec 16, 2008 9:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well, if you are Heyman

You just plug the money the Cubs were going to spend on Peavy into Lowe’s wallet. But the Peavy thing struck me as more of a golden opportunity for which the Cubs would make an exception, in not only payroll, but in loss of players. I don’t think, and I surely could be wrong, that the Cubs are planning on popping for a 63 million dollar contract for someone else, even with the added benefit of not having to give up players. It doesn’t add up to me, but who knows what’s going on behind closed doors?

by JodyDavis on Dec 16, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not only that,

but the deal with Peavy hinged on Hendry freeing up the payroll by trading away both DeRosa and Marquis, which Hendry wasn’t willing to do. Why would he do that for Lowe?

by dakoose on Dec 16, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Only problem is he is 35 and at the end of the contract will be 40

But he seems like the type that could be effective to that age

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by Chanman25 on Dec 16, 2008 9:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

And for that reason

I can’t see the Cubs doing it. Not only the years, but the 15 to 16 million it would cost per year. And he’s a Boras client, right? I don’t see any way he doesn’t get those years and dollars from someone else, so he’d really have to love Wrigley AND go against everything Boras stands for.

by JodyDavis on Dec 16, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

worked for Arod

he went against Boras….I think Heymans point was that they could get Lowe for roughly the same price as the remaining 63M on Peavys deal…..one could argue that Lowe would be a better fit at Wrigley.

Id love it if they did this, I suppose it would include getting rid of Marquis as well.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 16, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Hendry is really persuing

a top of the rotation guy, he must be afraid that Z is not 100%. I hope I’m wrong.

by Rick B on Dec 16, 2008 9:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This just seems odd to me...

Hendry keeps saying he’s comfortable with our rotation and that getting Peavy would have been a luxury but now their supposedly eyeing Derrick Lowe. Maybe Rick B is right about Big Z…

I’d still much rather trade for the 27 year old Jake Peavy who is the better pitcher and likely less expensive guy. Signing a 35 year old guys to the contract he wants is not something I want to do.

Or maybe this is just a backup plan if they don’t land Peavy….Who knows?

by illini23 on Dec 16, 2008 9:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Peavy cost 4-5 players...

I highly doubt the Cubs ante up for Lowe tho…. Perhaps more of the cat n mouse game between Hendry and Towers.

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by CubFaninCA on Dec 16, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I seriously doubt this story

But if somehow it was true, this would not make me very happy. Hendry so far doesn’t seem to have a very solid game plan going into this offseason. He wasted a lot of time with the Peavy stuff, when he should have been looking at creative ways to trade for a LH power bat.

Now that I say that, it has me thinking. Why do we need another power bat? Is it just me, but it didn’t seem like we were missing power last season. Why can’t we get a LHB with a high OBP, that plays good defense and who could be plugged into the number two hole?

I know the whole Roberts thing isn’t going to happen, but someone like him could work. Leave Sori in leadoff, put the LHB second to help break up the rightities.

Opening day lineup could look like:
1 Sori LF RHB
2 LHB
3 Lee 1b RHB
4 Ramirez 3b RHB
5 DeRosa 2b RHB
6 Soto C RHB
7 Fukudome CF LHB
8 Theriot SS RHB
9 Z P

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Dec 16, 2008 10:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Lee has got to get out of the three hole.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 16, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

I love DLee, but he needs to be moved unless management is 100 percent confident that 2008 was an aberration. – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 17, 2008 9:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He can't be moved unless he wants to go.

He’s got a NTC.

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by dat cubfan daver on Dec 17, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think they mean move him in the batting order...

And I don’t think his NTC covers that…though I’m sure one of these days someone will get that worked into his contract… :)

by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 17, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah...you're right. My bad.

And I’ll pass that idea along to Scott Boras.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 17, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

a NBOCC

No Batting Order Change Clause

aka “The Sosa Switch Clause”

Derrek Lee cant move to 6th b/c his contract has a “Sosa”

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 17, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If the LH bat we get bats second...

we may as well keep what we have and not sign a left handed hitter.

by Glen Bishop on Dec 17, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here are Heyman's words:
“If not, however, Lowe could become a suitable rotation replacement in Wrigley Field. Peavy has $63 million over four years remaining on his contract, and that’s very likely Lowe’s price tag, as well.”

Sounds like plain old speculation. No source and pure conjecture.

by dakoose on Dec 16, 2008 10:15 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

Further, I have specifically asked — just a couple of weeks ago — for people NOT to make fanposts like this, where “words words words”, etc. are used to fill to 75 words.

This would have been better as a FanShot. Or the poster could have written a few more words of his own opinion. Thanks.

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by Al on Dec 17, 2008 4:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fanshots are...

…way underutilized here.

Al, if I may? Delete these and message to the poster to move them. That’ll clean up BCB’s Fanpost problem. Enforcement is the answer. – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 17, 2008 9:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

…. the problem with that is, this is a useful topic and by the time I saw it, it had a ton of comments. I didn’t want to delete those. You see the problem, I assume.

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by Al on Dec 17, 2008 9:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I do.

Maybe it’s time for a frontpage editorial statement on the issue? I mean, this post is tacky (i.e. word ad infinitum). Maybe some of us regulars should start setting an example for the irregulars? I’d be happy to help.

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 17, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I did make a frontpage post about this only three weeks ago...

… and it’s permanently on the right sidebar. Click here.

I have another idea that I’ll have to investigate with the tech team.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 17, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just went...

…set an example. – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 17, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are right, Tim.

We do under-use FanShots here at BCB. I admit I could probably use them more often, too. It has taken awhile to get used to, but I do agree that there needs to be more of those and less of these types of diaries.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Dec 17, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think some people did start using them after the post I linked to above.

It’s been better, people are using them for links. I think their image is of photos only, which isn’t right. Maybe “FanShot” isn’t the best name for them.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 17, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Instead of saying...

…Fanpost and Fanshot, sbnation should just say “long posts” and “short posts.” It’s clear that the “shot” isn’t clear to most. – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 17, 2008 9:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like that idea.

I thought FanShots were initially just for music/video clips, but that’s not the case. Long versus short is a good description of that difference.

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by dtpollitt on Dec 17, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've sent a note mentioning this.

I think a lot of people didn’t understand the concept of FanShots possibly because of the name.

If some of you could come up with ideas for this, send them to

bugreport (at) sbnation (dot) com

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 17, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To me it's not the concept

It’s just that I never see them. They’re buried on the page; I never really bother to go hunting for them.

Honestly the better way to do it would be to not separate them at all – the distinction between diaries and fanshots is completely arbitrary (beyond the character limit, they’re really the same thing).

Consolodate them into a “latest diaries and fanshots” in the right nav.

by Wreckard on Dec 17, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

… it’s not possible to do that in the existing framework.

I did move them higher on the page, though. Maybe that’ll help.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 17, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I realize that it's outside your ability to do that

But it would be a good suggestion for SBN. Why put these things in two different places? They serve the same purpose.

Moving it up will help but it’s always going to cause confusion.

by Wreckard on Dec 17, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Send a suggestion to...

… bugreport (at) sbnation (dot) com

They do read all of them, at least.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 17, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I started to use them for links...

Great if you don’t have any analysis- you just want to share something with the group…

Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 17, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I primarily use them for.

If there’s a link that is baseball related, but not full of Cubs content (like the MLB Network fanshot), I’ll put it up there.

I think if there is Cubs content involved, a FanPost works well, but meeting the 75-word requirement should be done.

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by Trey2317 on Dec 17, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like 'em

they’re not immediately visible, for one thing. You have to scroll way down to get to them.

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by drewishdrewid on Dec 17, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's more a matter of...

…getting in the habit of scrolling down a bit for them. They’re not THAT inconvenient. – TL

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by timlacy on Dec 17, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

I never see them till I’m in a high-content post that scrolls past ‘em. I forget they’re there.

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by drewishdrewid on Dec 17, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that. FanPosts push em way down there.

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by dtpollitt on Dec 17, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

It’s below the fold. I never scroll down that far.

by dr stabbingworth on Dec 17, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll move them higher.

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by Al on Dec 17, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Stick a Post-It

on your monitor. Maybe that’ll help get ya in the habbit of scrolling all the way down when ya click on. Just a thought.

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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Dec 17, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

me too...

I think that they’re a good idea, I just don’t like where they are placed on the page. I feel like I miss things that get posted there… It’s tough to break 3.5 years of BCB habits :).

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by bobby h on Dec 17, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt this is any more than idle speculation

but Derek Lowe is a quality pitcher who gives us fits. He’s also an incredible workhorse. I don’t think he’s ever been on the DL and has at least 32 starts a year every year since Boston moved him into the rotation in 2002. He’s also only had one bad year (2004) in his whole career, too. He’s going to be 36, but he’s shown no signs of slowing down. He’s not as good as Peavy, but he’s very good.

Still, giving any 36 year old pitcher a four or five year contract is nuts. And he’d again fall in the realm of “luxury” rather than “necessity” for next year’s team. Unless he really wants to play for the Cubs and would be willing to accept a two year deal with an option, I can’t see us being the winning bid on him.

by Josh77 on Dec 16, 2008 10:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

A Lowe signing makes some sense if we are considering trading a starter.

Say Harden for Yunel Escobar, then sign Lowe…

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by DGU on Dec 16, 2008 10:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Heyman is missing one thing in his calculation...

The entire Peavy scenario was based on dumping most of Marquis’ contract, and Hendry was trying to leverage Towers into helping him out either by taking Marquis and trying to flip him later, or just keeping him knowing that it was only a one year commitment. Towers would not do it, so Hendry walked away.

Now, there is no guarantee that Hendry will be able to unload more than half of Marquis’ salary, and he has no leverage until the glut of third-tier pitchers dries up.

Lowe wants a big payday, says MLBTR:

Braves Not Interested In Lowe, Peavy?
By Tim Dierkes [December 15, 2008 at 3:23pm CST]
According to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com, the Braves aren’t interested in available starters Jake Peavy and Derek Lowe. The market for Lowe seems to be shrinking, as Scott Boras sticks to demands for four or five years at $16.5MM per (similar to A.J. Burnett’s deal). Knobler says there’s still bad blood between the Braves and Padres over the Peavy talks. It sounds like the Braves have turned to Kenshin Kawakami to complement their Javier Vazquez acquistion.

To afford $16.5M for Lowe while unloading only $5M of Marquis’ contract means that the Cubs’ payroll would be somewhere in the $141M range without having added a LHB. The Cubs would have to unload DeRo without replacing him (i.e., with Figgins) and get a cheap LHB via trade — probably Kubel — just to make their payroll figure.

That sounds like a pretty steep price to pay for a #3 or #4 SP.

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by DeRoMyHero on Dec 16, 2008 10:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cubs need hitters not another pitcher

I love D-Lee but he is not a 3 hitter

A ugly win is better than a pretty loss-Lou

by NIUcubbie on Dec 16, 2008 11:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

all this talk about peavys contract being similar to what lowe will get.....

but wasn’t part of the reason peavy wasn’t going to work out was because we couldn’t afford his contract in 2010 with the increases with other backloaded contracts we have on the team? I don’t see how we have enough money to get lowe.

by cubsmania on Dec 16, 2008 11:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

If we were going to trade a pitcher, then, it couldn’t be Harden, it’d have to be Zambrano or Lilly and then you’re in NTC territory.

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by DGU on Dec 16, 2008 11:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You know what man?

It seems like every year without fail, Boras ends up leaving one of his pitchers absolutely hanging in the wind. Some poor soul — as poor as you can be with 10 mil in hand — is forced to either come running back to his old team, or take some sub-par, one-year deal to reset the market.

Now, I like Lowe. He’s a Pitcher, and with his approach and mechanics he strikes me as a guy who could pitch well for the next three years easily. Maybe not with the strikeouts, but with a good defense behind him, quite effectively. But with Burnett, Dempster, and Sabathia on the front end of the market, and Sheets, Looper, Wolf, Johnson, and Perez on the backside, I could easily see a guy like Lowe getting burned while hanging out there as the Boras tentpole, and falling into a surprise team’s lap. Maybe even the Cubs.

by Damen Jackson on Dec 16, 2008 11:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What may happen for some Boras clients...

… and others, too, is that they wind up getting less money than they had hoped for. Not the way Boras usually operates (i.e. getting people to bid against themselves), but this isn’t a normal offseason.

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by Al on Dec 17, 2008 4:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They could always back load it...haha

Seriously, make the money distributed so as to have a minimal impact in 2010….however that might be done, seems to be Jimbos fall back move

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by bren on Dec 17, 2008 12:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not really because of backloading contracts...

the backloaded contracts only escalate about $2 million total in 2010. So not getting Peavy really wasn’t due to the backloaded contracts.

Getting Peavy WOULD have meant that we would have had to trade Marquis and DeRosa, meaning we wouldn’t have their salaries coming off the books. So we wouldn’t have saved $15 million in 2010 – we’d just have replaced it with Peavy’s salary. Then, when you add whomever we get for RF, payroll would again be going up next year with Peavy (not a lot, but some).

I think the “ballooning payroll” argument is not the reason we didn’t get Peavy. Hendry knew from the beginning that Peavy was expensive. I think the problem became that Towers wanted too much in return for Peavy, and Hendry realized he could get better value keeping his players (or trading them in other deals).

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 7:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It wouldn't work in 2009 either without the Dads taking Marquis' salary.

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by DeRoMyHero on Dec 16, 2008 11:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not in a trillion years

Lowe signs with the Cubs, I will give all of my GM stock, and my holdings from Bernard Madoff if Lowe signs with the Cubs.
 Freaking sign Abreu.

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by Grockcubs on Dec 16, 2008 11:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why haven't I heard anything about Adam Dunn as of lately?

SWL and I just spent 40 minutes discussing the finer points of the lumberjack, and we think we need ’em.

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by dtpollitt on Dec 16, 2008 11:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

My Christmas Wish List

1. Sign Bradley
2. Get a lead off hitter preferably at SS, or actually keeping Theriot would be fine
3. Sign Randy Johnson
4. Get Some sleep
5. No more snow
6. No more hurting pinkie toe
7. Need some more sleep

by lexmarklover on Dec 16, 2008 11:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Milton Bradley

isn’t even in my top 3 of OFs I want.

1 – Dunn
2 – Hermida
3 – DeRo with some sort of SS/2B shuffle
4 – Bradley

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by dtpollitt on Dec 17, 2008 12:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I made him want Dunn....LOL.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 17, 2008 12:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The more I've looked over, I agree...

about Bradley. Awesome bat, horrid personality, and he is guaranteed to make at least 2 trips to the 15 day DL.

1-Dunn
2-Edmonds, yes I am serious, on a 1 yr 4-5M deal.
3-DeRo, if a better SS can be had (doubtful)
4-Kubel (I get to see him a lot in MN, and while I don’t think he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread, if he could be had for not too much I’d be down with it.)
5-Bradley, if he could play about 150 games like he did last year, he’d be 1 or 2, but he can’t…especially if he has to play in the field.

by jbertram on Dec 17, 2008 9:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"About 150 games??"

Bradley played 126 games last year.

Number of times in his career he has played 150 or more games = zero.

Number of times in his career he has had 500 or more AB = one.

Severe injury risk. Stay away.

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by Al on Dec 17, 2008 9:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what the poster said...

IF Bradley could play 150 games, he’d move up on the list. He has never shown any inclination that he can do that, having only topped 140 games once in his career (and that was four years ago).

I agree – Bradley’s injury risk makes it just not worth the price he’s going to require. That’s ignoring any concerns about personality (which I am less at issue with – he has issues, but I’d tolerate that for performance) and concerns that he may not really provide power (which I think may be a legitimate concern).

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but he said...

… “150 games like he did last year”. He didn’t do that last year.

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by Al on Dec 17, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, my bad...

I gotcha now. In any case, I agree. There’s really no reason to expect Bradley to play more than around 100 games in the field next year. He’s only managed to do that once in his career.

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And, since we cannot use him at DH...

… what’s the point?

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by Al on Dec 17, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

there isn’t a point in getting Bradley. If he was cheap, I could see the argument that you take the discounted games for a discounted rate (a la Harden). But he’s not going to be cheap.

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the big question now about Bradley -

who plays when he’s injured? Who will be higher for RF playing time on Lou’s depth chart – DeRosa, meaning Fontenot, Gathright, or Reed?

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by DGU on Dec 17, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta be DeRosa w/ Fontenot then at second

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 17, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DeRosa

Reed Johnson is going to be busy in center field. Especially if Kosuke can’t get it going.

by BLou on Dec 17, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Depends...

if Fukudome gets the bat going (and that’s a big if), Johnson’s role is greatly diminished. In that scenario, he’s in the RF shuffle.

I think Fukudome determines a lot next year. If he can hit solidly, he’s an everyday player. If he can’t then Johnson platoons with either Fukudome or Gathright. I don’t think playing Johnson as an everyday player is a good option. He’s very solid against LHP, but pretty darn bad against RHP.

I think the hope is that Fukudome gets back to the high-OBP, .800+ OPS level. If that happens, he’s the everyday CF. Then, if Bradley is signed (and subsequently gets hurt), you platoon Johnson and Fontenot with DeRosa switching between 2B and RF.

If Fukudome doesn’t figure it out offensively, then I think your scenario plays out: a platoon of Fukudome (or Gathright) and Johnson in CF, DeRosa in RF, and Fontenot at 2B.

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're assuming Dome will get a chance to get it going.

I think a lot of that rides on the quality and health of the LH bat Jim gets this offseason.

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by DGU on Dec 17, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it all rides on Fukudome...

The LH bat has little impact on Fukudome’s role. Fukudome is playing 2/3 or more of the games either way because he’s at worst the LH part of a platoon in CF. If he hits, he gets the full-time role in CF.

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How quickly we forget.

Going into 2008, I’m sure someone also wrote, “Pie is playing 2/3 or more of the games either way because he’s at worst the LH part of a platoon in CF.”

The quality of the LH bat matters quite a bit. It was Fukudome’s failure to be a power LH bat which accelerated Lou’s dismissal of Pie in order to open a space for the LH bat he wanted. Fukudome could find the same thing happening to him if we see Bradley injured early in the season or Hermida unable to hit for power.

This is one of the reasons why I think Jim might need just to bite the bullet and sign Dunn.

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by DGU on Dec 17, 2008 11:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm most intrigued by...

…your apparently incessant mutilation of your smallest toe. Please, do tell.

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by dat cubfan daver on Dec 17, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, call me nuts

but how about this.
Forget about Lowe.
Let’s trade with the Dodgers.

They need pitching badly and possibly a SS if Furcal signs with the Braves.

So, we give the Dodgers Marquis, Marshall, Pie and their choice of Ronny or TheRiot for Ethier. Plug him into RF.
Sign Randy Johnson for one year and call it an offseason.
Ink Mike Maroth to a low dollar decent incentive deal for a lefty long man out of the pen.

You have Z, Demp, Lilly, Harden and Johnson for your rotation and the lineup of

Soriano
Reed/Dome
Ethier
ARam
Soto
Lee
DeRo
Theriot/Cedeno
Pitcher

by ScottT on Dec 17, 2008 7:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You're nuts.

Hey, Dodgers: you have a good, young, MLB ready talent. He’s cheap right now!

Would you please take an overpriced 5th starter (albeit, one who eats innings), another 5th starter, a failed prospect who can’t seem to hit, and your choice of a shortstop with no range who hits only singles/a shortstop who can’t seem to get his head straight.

Yeah!

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by Bildo1805 on Dec 17, 2008 7:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly right.

Yet another fantasy league deal.

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by Al on Dec 17, 2008 8:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Watch Ethiers stats plummet once Manny is gone

If youre gonna con the Dodgers into anything, make it Matt Kemp

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 17, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Ethier was terrible last year before Manny got there

His OPS was well over .800 before Manny got there. It was over .800 last year too.

However the Dodgers aren’t fools who would trade him for the table scraps proposed here so it will never really matter.

by Wreckard on Dec 17, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This makes no sense

but it would be fun because Lowe’s "personal " pitching coach is Greg Maddux who with the agreement of
Rick Honeycutt pretty much took over handling Lowe this year and did the same when he was with the Dodgers in 2006. In both of Maddux’s brief stints with the Dodgers Lowe’s ERA dropped IN HALF.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 17, 2008 7:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That wouldn't be fun

since Maddux isn’t on the Cubs and therefore Lowe’s ERA will go back up. That would make it the opposite of fun.

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by JohnM on Dec 17, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Jessica was suggesting hiring Maddux as Lowe's personal pitching coach.

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by Al on Dec 17, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well at least a "consultant"

The Lowe stat is downright spooky and Lowe had joked about trying to stay with Maddux before he announced his retirement.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 17, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maddux

Has always been my dream of a Cubs pitching coach. Don’t get me wrong, I have great respect for Larry R. But the Professor could be as good fo a coach as he was a pitcher. (Man, it feels odd to say “was” for him).
Point being, he mentored for Sean Marshall, and we saw improvements, I think he could be better than that guy in St. Louis who got his kid on the team.
And he may want to be back in the game in a few years, not sure how long Larry Rothschild will be there, but its a thought to ponder.

by chrisw95 on Dec 17, 2008 9:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. I think that Maddux

is one of those guys who will take some time, be with his family, etc…but the game is always going to be part of his life. And I hope that it is with the Cubs, although I’m sure teams will be lining up to have his services, including west coast teams and the Braves.

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 17, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maddux has already said he's taking a year off.

After that… I assume Jim Hendry will ask him if he’s interested in joining the Cubs in some capacity.

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by Al on Dec 17, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope so

I was really upset when he left the Cubs the first time. I would love to have him on our team in any capacity. I also want him to go into the HOF wearing a Cubs hat, so I can only hope that we can turn HIS blood to cubbie blue as well.

by chrisw95 on Dec 17, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would like that too

but he will wear a Braves cap into the Hall.

Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 17, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me be one to say...

… that I think Maddux would be a poor pitching coach. Maddux, in all the years that he was being lauded for being great with young pitchers dismissed it. He has said that he’s happy to work with people who approach him. He seems to be a more “by example” guy and tended to work with one or two younger guys who spent a lot of time observing him.

A pitching coach needs to be a more proactive guy who is willing to get into a pitcher’s face when necessary. I just do not see Maddux taking control of Zambrano when Carlos’s mechanics are out of whack and he needs someone to tell him to calm the hell down. Maddux has a lot of baseball intellect and I think he’d benefit the pitchers who really wanted to listen. However, I recall an interview Fergie Jenkins gave after he was dismissed from being Cubs pitching coach. He talked about how very few pitchers cared to listen and didn’t want to hear what he had to say. A pitching coach needs to take control over the entire staff and I don’t see that in Maddux.

by dmlichte on Dec 17, 2008 10:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

does Larry

get in Pitchers’ faces?

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by drewishdrewid on Dec 17, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My thought

Is that sometimes respect carries a ton of wieght. I was a catcher in college and would have given almost anything to learn from a guy like Maddux.
But I also see your point, as Leo Mazzone was not the most polite guy in the Braves coaching staff.
However, while I see your point, I don’t agree.
Prime example would be Ryno. I think he has learned how to be a manager, and eventually, may be a good MLB coach / manager. Ryno has learned some things, and words, I never imagined hearing or seeing from him.
I can see Maddux taking a different approach to being a coach, than a player, and being very good at both.

by chrisw95 on Dec 17, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure

but he certainly has more than a “I’ll teach whoever wants to learn” mentality.

by dmlichte on Dec 17, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he assumed that posture in Atlanta

(I will talk if a guy comes up to me) because he wasn’t the pitching coach — Leo Mazzone was. For him to seek someone out and try to correct things (especially mechanical) might mean that a guy has both Leo and Doggie in his ear — a situation that would make a young player more confused. Most guys, whether pitchers, hitters, golfers, or singers prefer to have one coach; anything more leads to paralysis by analysis.

Jason Marquis is a guy who constantly sought out Doggie’s advice (because he wanted to emulate Doggie’s pitching style), which went against what Leo was trying to teach — to be a power pitcher more like Smoltz. To this day, Jason cannot recover the 4-seam fastball he threw in the minors that made him such a good prospect to begin with.

If Doggie has the title “pitching coach”, I don’t think that he will have any problem approaching guys.

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by DeRoMyHero on Dec 17, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He more shunned it

I understand your point but Maddux has more than poo pooed the idea in the media that he’s this guy whose great for young pitchers. Perhaps its self deprication… but i just think that before we all run around calling for him to be the next pitching coach, we should take a deeper look. A lot of great players make poor coaches and to me, Maddux’s cerebral approach to pitching makes him a fantastic pitcher but not a great coach.

by dmlichte on Dec 17, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's different, I think...

… if you actually have the JOB of pitching coach, rather than just being a teammate. It’s a completely different role. I assume Greg Maddux is smart enough to know that if he takes a job as pitching coach, he’d have to approach pitchers rather than have them come to him.

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by Al on Dec 17, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I think Maddux is smart enough to know the difference in roles.
He was a brilliant pitcher, and I can see him eventually making the trasition.

by chrisw95 on Dec 17, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

its possible

But like we’ve seen, professional sports history is littered with all-star and hall of fame players who were tremendously ineffective coaches. Maddux may indeed be able to actively pass along his knowledge to youngsters but its also entirely possible that he won’t be able to. I just think people need to realize that just because Maddux is the best pitcher of this generation, he may not necessarily make a great pitching coach. I think that the Fergie Jenkins comparison makes sense.

by dmlichte on Dec 17, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fergie did a very good job, actually, the two years he was pitching coach.

He wasn’t fired because he did a bad job. He was fired because he and Jim Riggleman didn’t get along.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 17, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fergie

After he was let go I recall an interview with him, detailing his frustrations at working with “today’s major leaguers”. He discussed that very few of them cared to listen and his standing as a Hall of Famer meant nothing.

I’m not saying that Maddux couldn’t be a good coach, I just think that there are a lot of personality types that lead to good major league players but not necessarily coaches.

by dmlichte on Dec 17, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe.

Maddux and Jenkins are quite different personalities. I suspect Maddux would make a good coach because he just likes being around the game.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 17, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to agree...

…and I also think Maddux would be good because he didn’t excel with a boatload of natural ability. The great players who typically fail as coaches, are the ones that didn’t have to think there way around, because their ability got them to where they were. These types of guys have trouble teaching, because they can’t understand why others can’t do what they were able to do.

Maddux made himself a great pitcher because of his mind, and his competitivness. He is one of the few, that I think you could learn from by just being around the guy because he is so humble, but he doesn’t take any shit.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 17, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You don't know Maddux

True he does not want to go up and just tell a guy he was doing something wrong but the majority of pitchers on every team he was
on have talked about how much he helped them. He did it tell the end. James McDonald the rookie with I think 5 mlb innings to his credit who was on the Dodgers post season roster ( imagine Lou doing THAT) and came in to pitch 3 innings in a post season game against the Phillies and credited Maddux with helping him. We know Penny, Peavy, Kernshaw and Billingsley all asked him for help. He does not want to be seen as interfering with a pitching coach but in one the many famous Maddux stories when the Leo Mazzone was going over the scouting report for Bernie Williams for the World Series and after he finished Maddux said I don’t think that is right and went on to detail how he thought they should pitch to Williams and with all the pitchers looking a little confused , Mazzone said “Forget the scouting report, do what doggie said” Williams hit something like .170 in the series. Also if you go back to my profile you will see the great story by an unnamed rookie pitcher who described how much time Maddux spent with him and other rookies in Spring Training and how much he learned from him.
My only concern with Maddux as a pitching coach is that it is probably a waste. He sees the WHOLE game on a different level than
anyone else and I think he would be a manager like no other. Actually I think he could easily be manager AND pitching coach but
I have no idea when he would find time to golf

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 17, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

all due respect...

none of us know Maddux.

by dmlichte on Dec 17, 2008 11:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Um I meant as player

We do know a lot about how he interacts with players.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 18, 2008 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see how...

…this could be anything more than Hendry possibly trying to get Towers to lower his demands for Peavy. With what they need to add (possible leadoff and LH power bat), there is no way they could afford to pay Lowe what the market will bear.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 17, 2008 10:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cubs are clearly not after a leadoff option

I don’t know where so many of you make this leap of assumption. Hendry has never indicated that a new leadoff option is on his to do list. Also, Piniella has said he is content with Alfonso Soriano remaining as leadoff man. I don’t agree with the philosophy, but it doesn’t matter. Hendry isn’t pursuing another option.

by BLou on Dec 17, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You are probably right...

…but this is one area I don’t agree with either Piniella or Hendry on. IMO, I would take a Brian Roberts type at the top of the order before the “LH slugger”, and I think the team would benefit most from adding the piece at the top. Moving Soriano to five strengthens the middle of your order and maybe Fukudome finds himself.

I do understand leadoff men of Roberts calibur are few are far between, and maybe Hendry or Piniella would like to add that, but they know trying to waste time with McPhail would be futile.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 17, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming the Cubs snare Milton Bradley...

1. Soriano – LF (I would bat him in the middle too)
2. DeRosa – 2nd (high OBP guy who can hit behind the runner, shoot doubles up the gap)
3. Lee – 1st (I don’t like he here at all)
4. Ramirez – 3rd
5. Bradley – RF
6. Soto – Cat
7. Kosuke / Johnson – CF
8. Theriot – SS

Bench…Johnson, Gathright, Fontenot, Cedeno (), Catcher ()

Rotation…Zambrano, Harden, Dempster, Lilly, Marquis

Pen…Marmol, Gregg, Gaudin, Spellcheck, either Marshall or Cotts, Lefty Acquisition (??), either Guzman, Hart, Wells

by BLou on Dec 17, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If they get Bradley...

…I would immediately make him my 3 hitter. Ramirez 4, and either Lee or Soto 5 or 6.

This is assuming they don’t find a top notch leadoff man, which they probably won’t.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 17, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It all depends on Fukudome...

If Fukudome gets the OBP up, I’d bat him second:

Soriano
Fukudome
Lee
Ramirez
Bradley (or whomever we get to play RF)
Soto
DeRosa
Theriot

If Fukudome doesn’t hit, it makes things complicated. But I’d bet we’d see

Soriano
Theriot
Lee
Ramirez
Bradley (or whomever we get to play RF)
Soto
DeRosa
Fukudome/Johnson

I’m not saying that’s what I’d want to do, I’m just saying that’s what I’d expect given the roster.

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's likely...

…that Lee’s days as a 3 hole hitter are gone. Unless he shows a resurgence, I can’t have a guy with his lack of power in that slot. If acquired, my first choice would be Bradley.

Fukudome is a key here as you say. If he can gather himself, I would love to see him put in the 2 hole. He can pull the ball in the hole vacated by the first baseman and he is a smart baserunner. If Fukudome would be in that spot, I would move Bradley to the 4 hole so you have seperation of your lefties and put Ramirez in the 3 hole.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 17, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if I'd go so far as "likely"

Lee was clearly not a #3 quality hitter last year. The question is whether or not last year is simply a down year (perhaps injury-related?) or whether it’s a sign that his power days are done.

It’s certainly possible that Lee isn’t going to bounce back to the .850ish OPS days that have been a staple of his career. It’s also certainly possible that last year was a down year and he works hard to get back on track.

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I brought up...

…the neck issue as a possible cause of his power outage and ST should help to determine if that was a contributing cause. He started out very well last year in regards to power and then went south real quick. On a good ballclub, you just can’t have a guy that produced like he did in the 2nd half, in the 3 hole.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 18, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree about last year...

The question is whether last year is representative of where he’ll be next year. You suggest that it is likely – I’m not ready to make that leap. I agree though that repeating last year would mean he should absolutely not be a #3 hitter. I’m inclined to believe he might bounce back to the .850ish OPS days, which would make him a #3 hitter again.

by SouthernCub on Dec 18, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Time will tell.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 18, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Misleading headline

This article is pure speculation. I just don’t see this happening at all.

by Wreckard on Dec 17, 2008 10:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Interesting topic, I suppose. But highly unlikely to occur and, editorially speaking, this Fanpost gets an F.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 17, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch. The Editor Has Spoken.

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Dec 17, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wow, tough grade

But editorial stuff isn’t on a grade scale! Are you in the newspaper business?

by lamentir on Dec 17, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, but if it makes you feel better...

…I’ll revise my statement to:

Interesting topic, I suppose. But highly unlikely to occur and, editorially speaking, I’m pulling this piece from today’s edition and replacing it with a full-page Victoria’s Secret ad.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 17, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't matter to me

Just wondering about editorial business.

by lamentir on Dec 18, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

This is speculation. Any team would like to have Derrek Lowe. But the probability of Jim Hendry being in legitimate pursuit of Lowe is remote.

It sounds to me that Hendry has two things left on his offseason list of “to dos.”

A. Add a quality left-handed bat to the outfield mix
B. Add a good left-hander to the bullpen mix

If Hendry could move Marquis I think he would. But it appears the only way that happens is if Hendry is prepared to gulp meaningful salary. So under that scenario I think he has determined is better to hang onto Marquis. After all the guy takes the ball every 5th day and gives this team much needed innings.

by BLou on Dec 17, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

And I think they’re probably in that order of importance on Hendry’s list. I can’t imagine Lowe actually being on the Cubs’ radar given the price tag.

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I agree as well.

I think the Peavy thing just kinda fell in Jimbo’s lap and he pursued it as far as he could. It is Jake Peavy, after all.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 17, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mets

are interested in Lowe.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 17, 2008 1:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If I had to guess...

I’d say one of the NY teams would get him. The Mets would certainly make sense, and I’d never count the Yankees out on any upper-tier free agent.

by SouthernCub on Dec 17, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this won't happen

Lowe won’t be a Cub. He’s too expensive, too old and NOT what the Cubs need to improve.

by elgato on Dec 17, 2008 1:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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