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The Cub Can Of Worms: LaTroy Hawkins

With the great majority of Cubs fans puzzled and/or angry that Kerry Wood wasn't offered arbitration yesterday, I figured it was time to open the Can and let LaTroy Hawkins out, just to remind all of you that things could be a lot worse.

And though I know most of us don't have any good memories of a player some called "LaToya", let's also remember that his failures as a Cub, while monumental, in many ways weren't his fault.


Best forgotten as a Cub, here's
LaTroy pictured during his
half-season in San Francisco

photo via www.cbc.ca

What do I mean by this? Hawkins was signed as a free agent after the 2003 season, following one good and one outstanding year as a setup man for Joe Nathan with Minnesota. In fact, Hawkins was likely the best non-closing reliever in the majors in 2003 -- he had a 1.76 ERA in 74 appearances comprising 77.1 innings. He allowed only 5 homers, and struck out 75 and walked only 15.

It all would have worked out fine if Joe Borowski hadn't gotten hurt early in the 2004 season. And when that happened, Dusty installed LaTroy at closer, despite ample evidence that Hawkins wasn't suited to close. In his last full year of closing at Minnesota, he put up 28 saves -- but had nine blown saves and an ERA of 5.96, with 39 walks and only 36 strikeouts in 51.1 innings. The next year, 2002, the Twins installed Eddie Guardado at closer; he saved 45 games, Hawkins was good setting him up and perhaps not coincidentally, the Twins improved by nine wins and won the AL Central.

Perhaps Dusty didn't have a whole lot of other choices in 2004. Kyle Farnsworth was on the 2004 Cubs, but his better days were already behind him. Michael Wuertz was a rookie, and we know that Baker would never have entrusted the closer role to a rookie. Ryan Dempster was still rehabbing from an injury -- though, when he was activated in August, he made 23 relief appearances with a decent 3.92 ERA and two saves. So LaTroy was given the job fulltime in early June. He did OK up till September, when he blew two critical games in the season's final week, and about that, enough said, I think -- no need to relive that. He finished 2004 with nine blown saves -- turn around five of those, and the Cubs win the wild card.

Despite calls from everyone from bloggers to sportswriters to Jim Hendry for Dempster to be installed at closer, Dusty insisted that LaTroy could do the job in 2005. Dempster began the year in the rotation, and Hawkins blew four saves by May 13, at which time Dempster was given the closer role. The third of the four blown saves is the one all of us will remember forever -- it happened on May 6, 2005. In the top of the ninth, with the Cubs leading the Phillies 2-1 -- on a Derrek Lee two-run homer off Billy Wagner in the last of the 8th -- Hawkins gave up two singles, then got Ryan Howard for the first out. Jose Offerman then batted for Marlon Byrd. Earlier in his career Offerman had put up decent OBA's (96 walks in 1999) but by this time he usually hacked at everything.

Hawkins walked him, loading the bases. The next batter, pinch-hitter Placido Polanco, hit a screaming line drive right back to LaTroy. The runners had broken with the crack of the bat. LaTroy had Offerman caught off base. He threw to D-Lee. Game over, right?

Wrong. Hawkins' throw hit Offerman in the helmet. If he had tried to do that 999 more times, he couldn't have done it again. The ball ricocheted into the right field corner, two runs scored and the Cubs lost 3-2.

That was it for Hawkins in the eyes of me and most other Cubs fans. He began to be booed unmercifully, and even louder, in his next appearance on May 9, he gave up a homer to the Mets' Doug Mientkiewics that broke a 4-4 tie and cost the Cubs another game. By the end of May, Hendry had to ship him out of town; somehow he got the Giants to take his contract. In return the Cubs got Jerome Williams, who seemed to have potential but who was last seen in the Dodgers' farm system in 2008, and David Aardsma, who brought Neal Cotts to the North Side, so at least there's still someone on the roster as a result of the Hawkins signing, which happened five years ago tomorrow.

Interestingly, once the Astros got Hawkins last August, he was outstanding -- an 0.43 ERA in 24 games and only 5 walks, in a setup role. The Astros re-signed LaTroy for 2009. But... Lou says he's looking for another right-handed reliever. You don't suppose...

Nah. Too terrible to contemplate.

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I remember the day LaTroy was signed,

I was pretty excited about it. Can’t believe it has been 5 years.

I'm finally moving on...

by slocs55 on Dec 2, 2008 8:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Oh man. Ouch. What a painful morning

I remember May 6, 2005 much too vividly.
Well, I’m just gonna crawl back into my hole a commiserate all day.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Dec 2, 2008 9:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Typical example...

…of a player being miscast.

The Cubs knew full well, that Hawkins imploded when the Twins tried to make him a closer and they followed the same path. He was very very good as a setup guy, but they just kept throwing him out there to close, when it was clear, he couldn’t deal with that role.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 2, 2008 9:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Everyone knew it, apparently....

… except Dusty Baker.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 2, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dusty's single-minded attempt to fit an obvious square peg in a round hole

was one of the most frustrating things about his tenure here. It was apparent that Hawkins didn’t have the make-up to thrive in the closer’s role, but Dusty just kept running him out there. It was like watching a car wreck happen over and over again.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 2, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dusty should have acted...

…earlier to try anyone else but Hawkins. The Cubs make the 04 playoffs if they would have had a closer that was at least average. Also, at some point, Hendry should have stepped in and said; “this ain’t workin Dusty”. Maybe he did, I don’t know.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 2, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It always baffled me ...

why Hendry DIDN’T do that, if not in ’04, then certainly in ’05.

Someone also mentioned how this was another one of Dusty’s attempts with a square peg. Besides his aversion to walking, that was by far his most annoying habit (Patterson, Neifi, Macias).

Hawkins might have be my least favorite Cub. He wasn’t as worthless as Hundley or Mel Rojas (to name two), but Hawkins’ failures meant a lot more. A good Hundley in 2002 probably wouldn’t have saved that awful team.

by elgato on Dec 2, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He tried to do it in '05.

He pushed Baker hard to put Dempster in as closer and Hawkins to set up; it took several spectacular blown saves before he finally did it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 2, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yabbut

Dusty probably also resisted because Dempster almost certainly lobbied hard to be in the rotation.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Dec 3, 2008 4:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We don't know that.

At the time, remember, Dempster was only a little more than a year away from surgery. He really needed to be a reliever then.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 3, 2008 8:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We don't know that

but we know Dempster’s tendencies (last winter was not the first time he lobbied Lou to start), and we know Dusty’s tendencies (he likes to accomodate his veteran players). Hendry was positioning Dempster as a closer from the day he signed him, but Dempster’s approach to the role was always a little tempered due to his SP identity and preference.

I think Hawkins was always ambivalent about closing. At first he said he didn’t want to do it, then he said defensively that of course, who wouldn’t want to do it. I think Dusty as usual fumbled over trying to please Dempster, Hawkins and Hendry, instead of just making decisions based on what’s best for the team.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Dec 3, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Hawkins said he wanted to do it...

… because he didn’t want anyone to think he was jaking it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 3, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Calvin...

I’m still waiting for the Calvin Schiraldi can o worms!

So I jumped ship in Hong Kong...

by Ryetronics on Dec 2, 2008 9:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Played against him...

…in my college days. Few realize, both he and Clemens were on the same Texas team and Schiraldi was their number one guy (clemens was 2). Schiraldi threw very very hard, but very very straight and you could dial it up on him.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 2, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, I heard...

… from a reporter who had business in the Cubs’ clubhouse at the time Schiraldi was on the team.

He described Schiraldi’s physique as “flabby”.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 2, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I met him...

…a couple times and I would guess he was at least 6 foot 4, but he was not put together very well at all. On top of that, he was an A-1 jerk.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 2, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't Spike Owen Also On That Team?

Was that before Mike Brumley and Greg Swindell were at Texas?

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 2, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It was before Swindell...

…but Brumley and Owen were on the same team I played against.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 2, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

gotta bad feeling that Gregg will be the next Hawkins for this team

To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!

by Chanman25 on Dec 2, 2008 10:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Give Gregg a break, willya?

The poor guy hasn’t even been fitted for a uniform and yet he’s everybody’s kicking boy.

by leothelip on Dec 2, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My statement was ambigious

I actually want Gregg to do well, but I have a bad feeling people will heckle him if he blows a couple games in April. It reminds me of Hawkins because he was a good pitcher brought here in a role he sohuldn’t have been in, and was booed off the team.

To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!

by Chanman25 on Dec 2, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It might be the same situation...

… UNLESS Gregg is used in lower-pressure setup situations.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 2, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Things will be rough for Gregg at first. If he handles those low pressure situations well, and doesn’t blow anything, I think the pressure will ease up as the season goes on. However, if he has any rough outings at home, especially on multiple occasions around the beginning of the year, things are going to be nasty at Wrigley.

I wish Gregg the best… not only for the team purposes, but things like this can ruin lives….

by TheHawkRules on Dec 2, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you my man.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Dec 2, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

It’s not his fault Wood isn’t here. You want to cheer for Wood, go buy crap for his new team.

The rest of us like the front of the jerseys more than the backs.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Dec 2, 2008 10:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I believe Doug's last name is spelled:
Mientkiewicz

And I don’t know that by heart, Google told me.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Dec 2, 2008 10:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You're right.

It was a typo. I’ll fix it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 2, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Detail on May 6, 2005

I’m more than a little disturbed that I just happened to be at the game that Hawkins’ Cub tenure will be remembered for, sitting in the dugout boxes directly behind first. To clarify a bit, Hawkins real error was that he didn’t know where to go with the ball after he caught it. After catching it, he looked towards third where the runner was scrambling back. Offerman was indeed at least 20 feet off of first but Hawkins next inclination was to look towards second, only to see another runner scurrying back. With Lee waving his arms, Hawkins finally whirled towards first and by that time Offerman was nearly back to the bag. Hawkins had no business throwing the ball by that time but he did anyway and the ball caromed off Offerman’s helmet into the stands directly over my head (rather than into the RF corner) for a two-base error.

It was an enjoyable game, despite that horrible conclusion, and I was still shaking my head at how it was lost when one of my young sons told me on the walk to the car that my leg was covered in cheese. I scoffed at the idea, how on earth would I have acquired cheese on my leg without eating anything that included cheese on that particular day. Mind you, I was wearing shorts because it was a gorgeous spring day, and sure enough, when I finally looked down, my left leg was covered in nacho cheese. Turns out, when I lept from my seat when Lee smoked the 8th inning HR off Wagner, I stepped on my neighbor’s nacho tray, sending cheese all over my leg. Never felt it and never would have known it had my son figured out his own highlight from the game….that Dad got nacho cheese on his leg. Put Hawkins gaffe in proper perspective.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Dec 2, 2008 10:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the details.

It only SEEMED like it went into the RF corner.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 2, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What killed me about it

Was that was the way that play HAD to go. I mean, LaTroy was so terrible that year it was only fitting that he’d make an error that was nearly impossible, and the result be two AUTOMATIC runs.

I had never seen, nor will I probably ever see a game end like that again.

"Whoever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" - Frank Chance

by STLCubFan on Dec 5, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LaTroy Hawkins

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Dec 2, 2008 11:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

3 words

Victor Freaking Diaz

by Southside Steve on Dec 2, 2008 11:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Actually Al, you brought up a very good point about LaTroy perhaps not succeeding due to the way he was used by Dusty. Combine that with the way he stubbornly threw Corey Patterson in the lineup every single miserbale day, and I now anxiously await his can o’ worms!

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Dec 2, 2008 11:21 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

you could just put the entire 2006 Chicago Cubs minus a few

Neifi Perez
Corey Patterson
Enrique Wilson
Jacque Jones
Phil Nevin
Roberto Novoa

I mean the list just goes on and on, you could do an entire winter on the topic

To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!

by Chanman25 on Dec 2, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I still don't understand how this team didn't win it all. A good manager would have taken

the WS with this team.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 2, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A good manager

would have told Neifi Perez that if he showed up to the park one more time, he’d be shot for trespassing.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Dec 2, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not like

Dusty had a lot of choices with Nevin or JJ. What else could he have done with them?

I mostly agree on the rest, though I don’t think Enrique Wilson had a long enough tenure to make that list.

by elgato on Dec 2, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nevin

The irony there is, he complained for weeks (months?) about not having another RH bat to replace Lee and Nomar, then when he finally got one, he sat Nevin.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Dec 2, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jacque....

kinda redeemed himself in ‘07. (I believe that was the year) Where he had a good second half and really helped the team out. Because of that, I don’t know if he deserves a can of worms. Though, he didn’t live up to our expectations…not even close.

by TheHawkRules on Dec 2, 2008 4:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he actually ...

had a decent year in 2006, too.

by elgato on Dec 2, 2008 4:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

are we still talking about JJ or Theriot now?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're kidding, right?

If Theriot has a decent range, it’s on top of his oven.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Dec 2, 2008 7:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

or...

running bases

by AndHart120 on Dec 3, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hah! speaking of Dusty and management of a bullpen

Kerry Wood is considering going to the Reds!

To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!

by Chanman25 on Dec 2, 2008 11:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Link?

If you’re referring to the Fred Mitchell story, I think that was just Dusty saying he’d like to talk to Wood. Keep in mind the Reds have Cordero signed to a HUGE contract.

by elgato on Dec 2, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

heh it is that story

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-02-mitchelldec02,0,7758848.column

To see your idol player whom you have grown up watching be cast aside by his loyal organization can make even a grown man choke up...We'll miss you #34!

by Chanman25 on Dec 2, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

The article says Dusty may ask Wood if he would be willing to set up Cordero.

My guess is that Wood goes somewhere that he can close.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 2, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't it Cincinatti

where Wood blew that save and was not to happy with their dugout celebrating? Just curious and too lazy to look it up.

I'm finally moving on...

by slocs55 on Dec 2, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't remember.

Anyone?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 2, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, that was Cincinnati

that was the game that Ronny booted the double play ball. I don’t see Wood in a Reds’ uniform to be honest with you. I could, however, see him in Texas with the Rangers. Ron Washington would be a good manager for him.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Dec 2, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Wood ends up in Texas

I might vomit uncontrollably if he ends up in St. Louis. Or Milwaukee (though that seems very unlikely).

by elgato on Dec 2, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I could take him as a Cardinal.

I have some respect for the rivalry and for their fans.

Brewers fans, though… well, I’ll keep that to myself. But I could NOT stand him as a Brewer.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 2, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wood going to the Cardinals

is almost the equivalent of Edmonds coming to the Cubs. The difference is that Wood wasn’t as hated.

As a Cub fan who lived in Missouri for several years, I loathe the Cardinals. Any team with a fan base that repeatedly talks about being the best fans in baseball needs to shut the $#@# up.

by elgato on Dec 2, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I can’t stand how Cardinal fans refer to themselves as the best fans in baseball. Maybe they are, I don’t think that is a measurable. That would be similar to me insisting on everyone calling me “Dave the Great”, because I’m Dave and great.

I'm finally moving on...

by slocs55 on Dec 2, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball "Heaven"

Living in southern Illinois I’m exposed to lots of Cardinal crap. It particularly galls me to see they refer to their plastic ballpark as “baseball heaven.” No way.

Ya gotta love a team with a shortstop named TheRiot ...

by StampMe on Dec 2, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I live in St Louis...

I can’t stand the ego’s of Cardinal fans. I know not everyone here is like that, but if I just wear my Cubs hat in public, i get morons REPEATINGLY heckling me, etc…

I was out taking a walk once, minding my own business, and some Cards fan was outside watering his lawn. He took the water hose and started shooting me with water, all the while shouting “I don’t want any Cub fans around here!” I’m like CRAP MAN…. it’s crazy… it really is.

by TheHawkRules on Dec 2, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that's interesting . . .

I’m not sure that speaks for the majority of Cardinals fans . . . I am pretty sure that there would have been an altercation had that happened to me.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Dec 2, 2008 5:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think

a lot of cities claim that. I have heard that claim for Cubs fans as well. That may be true if referring to the REAL Cubs fans and not the 50% trixies that fill the place up. Ugh go to a bar or stay home!

by AndHart120 on Dec 3, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take Wood going to Cleveland

and maybe Howry will wind up there, too.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Dec 2, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Howry was already there.

They need bullpen help, but not that bad.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't it down to the Cubs and Indians 3 years ago for Howry's services?

They may think their pitching coach can get him back on track.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Dec 2, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He ends up in Texas

Then we will know for sure that all that b.s. about wanting to win is just that, b.s.

Not that I blame him. His check will clear whether the team wins 100 games or 50.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Dec 2, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Which won't mean a damn thing

when the Reds show him the contract with the crooked number followed by a lot of zeroes.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Dec 2, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's unlikely

that the Reds would pay closer money for a setup man, don’t you?

by elgato on Dec 2, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not...

But if they do, all this stuff about how he didn’t like them celebrating goes out the window.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Dec 2, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The fateful press conference

I’ll never forget the press conference Hawkins gave, telling all the reporters that he could do their job but they could not do his. From then on he more or less refused to talk to reporters. That was one of the more immature things I’ve read out of a Chicago athlete.

The situation overall really showed to me Dusty’s inability to “get it”. LaTroy was clearly not a closer. He failed as a closer in Minnesota so what did Dusty do, he made LaTroy a closer when Borowski couldn’t do it. Dusty would have been better off going with anyone else. Go with someone untested before you go with someone who was tested and failed. Dusty, IMO, killed LaTroy’s Chicago career and it bewilders me why Hawkins loved Dusty so much. Talk about putting a guy in a position to fail.

by dmlichte on Dec 2, 2008 11:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Someone either challenged him on that

or else he’s actually a wannabe reporter, because I remember LaTroy writing a column or blog for one of the Denver papers when he was playing there. However, he proved he couldn’t do their jobs because after something like two articles, he bailed.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Dec 3, 2008 5:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember where I was during the Offerman incident.

At the corner of 28th street and Kalamazoo Avenue. What a horrible memory.

How about a can of worms on Ty Griffin. We passed on Robin Ventura for that clown.

by lohroffc on Dec 2, 2008 11:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting timing.

At a time when Bob Howry is not offered arb, Eyre was flushed, Remlinger flamed out, it raises a question. Has there been one big ticket, free agent, reliever brought in over the last 10 years that has lived up to their contract?

All four showed promise early and destructed at the end. I cannot think of any others, either succeeding or not. Miller and Dempster were brought in on reclamations projects so they weren’t the cream of the reliever crop that year.

This just makes be believe when Cub management identifies a need for relief, they reward career years.

But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night

by N Oakley on Dec 2, 2008 11:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

You have to go back 15 years, to Randy Myers, to find a free-agent reliever signed by the Cubs who paid off.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 2, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

A trend of rewarding career years can only bite management in the posterior.

But the wind blew me back via Chicago, In the middle of the night

by N Oakley on Dec 2, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tom Gordon?

He had a good year before he got hurt.

Also, I think Howry was, overall, a good signing. He pitched well in ’06 and ’07.

by elgato on Dec 2, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Eyre and Howry

Were both good for 1 1/2 years. A three-year deal for a middle reliever is a bit much.

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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 2, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The book "Cubs nation" that I finished recently seemed to capture one of his biggest problems...

…his apparent belief that he was above/beyond criticism from fans and the media.

You never played the game at this level = you have no right to criticize me.

As soon as he announced that he wasn’t speaking to the media I thought, “Just get rid of this guy, he’s clueless.”

In reality no one cared whether he talked to the media or not, or to borrow from the Great Tirade,“The name of the game is hit the ball, catch the ball, and get the f$#@!&* job done!” If I were a manager I’d have excerpts from the tirade ready to play in the clubhouse or my office as a reminder to clueless players.

by DudeVf11 on Dec 2, 2008 9:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Video

Couldn’t find video of May 6, 2005, but this Youtube gem (?) gives some video representation of Cubs fans’ general feelings on LaTory F. Hawkins.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Dec 3, 2008 5:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I miss him...

I miss him sooooooooooo much! LOL

Western Bulldogs - Australian Football League Champions 2009! Chicago Cubs - World Series Champions 2009!

by WBdogs1 on Dec 3, 2008 11:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dusty nearly wrecked Hawkins

Seriously, Hawkins was a good setup man, with flashes of greatness, that Dusty forced into a closer role in which he had already failed. And then kept him there. It nearly destroyed Hawkins’ career. Pitching has a strong mental/emotional/psychological component. I’m delighted to see Hawkins has regained his poise, and shaken off – finally – the damage that Dusty Baker inflicted on him.

AlaskaFan

"Year after year after year after year . . . . . after year after year after year . . ." - Steve Goodman, "Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"

by AlaskaFan on Dec 3, 2008 1:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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