Yankees Sign Teixeira
by Galvan316 on Dec 23, 2008 2:39 PM CST
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PrintWell now 3/4 of my "nightmare scenario" is in place, The New York Yankees have signed 1B Mark Teixeira to an 8 year $180 million dollar deal according to ESPN's Buster Onley.
I think it is incredible that the Yankees are spending money like this. First CC, Burnett and now Tex. But what will happen if these huge deals dont pan out? We'll just have to wait and see.
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161 on CC, 82.5 on AJ, and 170 on Tex. Add in about 21 million more on Swisher’s contract.
Anyhow, their payroll is around in the mid-190’s right now. Most indications are that they’ll shed a contract to allow them the financial room to add Pettite. I’d guess Nady, but it could end up being Swisher that gets shed.
Haha Brewers
The brewers no longer get compensated with the first round NY pick for CC as that will now be going to the Angels.
Haha… the Yankees really donked the brewers this offseason.
Awesome. And, just for old time's sake...
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
Ahhh...
This is brining back memories of game threads, I’m ready for baseball.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 23, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Me too.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
And also...
"That’s what I love about my skip, man. He’ll tell you that you suck...I know I suck. We know we suck...Yeah, we suck. But we’ll see who sucks at the end."
- Gary Sheffield
by DrGalazkiewicz on Dec 27, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
What determines which team gets which draft pick?
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 23, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Elias rankings.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 27, 2008 7:38 AM CST up reply actions
Bah. I was literally just about to post this.
Good thing I checked one more time before submitting. Anyway, here’s my favorite site’s take on it, which says it could be up to $180MM.
Insane, they’re spending like drunken sailors this winter and I still don’t think I pin them as clear cut favorites to win their division, let alone the World Series. But, much like when Johan went to the Mets, I’m sure everyone (ESPN) will declare the 2009 World Series over and just give the trophy to the Yankees now. This is like Jim Hendry’s offseason a few years ago x100.
Ron Santo should sing TMOTTBG everyday. Period.
I agree with this...
… the Yankees will be anointed. But this guarantees them nothing, except to have a good-hitting team.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
And one of the best pitchers in the game.
And a pitcher who could be a #1 on many pitching staffs.
The reason the Yankees have been playing below their lofty late 90s/early 00s standards is because of injuries, lack of attention to the rotation, and crappy signings (Carl Pavano, et al). With a rotation of CC, Burnett, Wang, Pettitte (probably), and one other starter, you’ve got one of the top pitching staffs in the AL. So they’ll probably be a pretty decent pitching team as well.
CUBS WIN! CUE THE ORCHESTRA!
What about the bullpen?
And what happens when A. J. Pavano and Chien-Ming Pavano and Joba Pavano get hurt?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
No comparison between Pavano and Wang...
Come on, Al. Wang had a FOOT injury last year running the bases. And because of that, you want to assume he’s going to suffer a serious injury next year?
And again, you’re willing to assume Wang, Chamberlain, and Burnett will get hurt, but you won’t assume the same for Zambrano, Harden, Lilly, and Dempster won’t?
I think it’s fair to put the Yankees’ rotation right there with the Cubs’ staff. Injuries could change that for sure. But that works BOTH ways.
by SouthernCub on Dec 23, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Point taken.
I just think it’s wrong to anoint the Yankees as champions because of this spending spree.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
You're right about A.J. though!
"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields
If my math is right
And I think it is The Yankees will have spent close to $450 million dollars this off-season so far.
if this is true...
Then I have to give the Yankees credit. They’ll have addressed their biggest needs (defense at 1B, replacing Giambi’s production, and obviously the starting rotation). Easier to do when you can spend like the Yankees, but wow. Impressive haul to get the top pitcher AND top position player on the market.
yup
it is quite impressive, considering that they likely will keep their payroll below what it was last year. I would be a bit concerned about their pen, but they have some pieces in the minors (Melancon/Sanchez) that could perhaps address that.
The pen gets a lot of help...
from moving Chamberlain back there full time.
i'm under the impression
that he is in their rotation – Sabathia, Burnett, Wang, Chamberlain and likely Pettite. They are only talking about adding 1 more guy to the rotation, so the only other option would be Hughes, who I doubt they are going to place in such a high position.
A lot of teams would love to plug
Phil Hughes or Ian Kennedy into their fifth starter role. If the Yankees do resign Pettitte, and some have gone so far as to call it inevitable, I don’t see why they wouldn’t move Joba to the pen. Sabathia, Burnett, Wang and Pettite are good enough to make up for some of the bad outings that Hughes and/or Kennedy will most certainly have. Rivera, Joba and Marte makes for a formidable bullpen and if Humberto Sanchez gets the call up they might have the best pen in the league. This team is stacked, to say the least.
I think they'll move him back...
Sabathia, Burnett, Wang, Pettitte, and Hughes or Kennedy make a solid rotation, and Chamberlain makes for a dominant force in the bullpen.
reading through some early morning articles
and suggestions are still that joba will be in the rotation. Peter Abraham says, as of now, Pettite might not return unless they can deal an OF.
Really, thinking about it, their pen is okay outside of the setup role. If Sanchez or Melancon can step up, or if Edwar Ramirez or Jose Veras perhaps, then they could be fine.
Can we please sign someone now...
C.C. and Tex were out of our league financially, but can we please fill that void in our lineup already? To stay on topic though, the Yankees had needs (SP, 1st base) and they just filled them in a big way; you can’t really be mad at that (unless you’re a small market team).
Someday we'll go all the way...
Rumors suggest the Cubs are confident we'll get Bradley...
be careful what you wish for.
I'd rather have Dunn...
I just can’t see Bradley staying healthy. It would be like Cliff Floyd (with a temper) part 2.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 23, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
I agree.
I’d rather have Dunn.
Also, the “can we please sign someone now” thing isn’t quite right. Just because someone else makes a move, you don’t necessarily have to do something as a knee-jerk reaction.
It’s December 23. Most likely, things will be slow till after New Year’s.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Al, I'm a little shocked to see you give in to the temptation of Dunn.
Welcome to the Dark Side.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
Correct me if I'm wrong...
…but I don’t think that he was saying “GO SIGN DUNN NOW!!!” I took it as a, it wouldn’t be as bad of a choice as Bradley.
I don’t (personally) think that Dunn is the best choice out there, nor do I think Al was implying that… Even if he was implying that, I still don’t think do ;)
"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens
who is "the best choice out there?"
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
honestly...
…i’m not sure. I think that there’s just a bunch of half-baked choices.
Of the names talked about, I probably like McLouth the best — though I think that the chances of that happening are next to nil. I’d prefer less bat, more field — but I don’t think Lou agrees with me and I don’t think that’s what we’ll get.
"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens
Dude...we had less bat and more field last year in RF.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
and won 97 games.
"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens
in the regular season.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 24, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Understood.
I didn’t mean to imply Al was advocating the immediate and unconditional acquisition of Adam Dunn. But he was pretty adamantly (ooh, bad pun) against it before under any circumstances.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
LOL
Yes, I was. I’m still not 100% sold, because of the defense. But I guess the hitting would make up for it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Yeah, my party line has been...
…IF the Cubs are going to spend big on name FA lefty slugger, I’d favor Dunn because he’ll likely make the most difference offensively. I liked your idea about Hermida, though.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
I also like the idea that...
… Dunn is younger than ANY of the free-agent alternatives, and has been healthy all but one of the last seven seasons.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
What about Abreu?
The Angels re-signed Juan Rivera, Tex is off the market, and Manny, IMO, is likely to go back to LA. It seems we should be able to get a bargain on Abreu. Bradley is too much of a gamble!
"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
And home runs!
Lots and lots of home runs! MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
but HRs are rally killers!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention facist.
Oh, wait, I’m thinking of strikeouts.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
I always knew K's were fascist...
but I never knew they hated faces!
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
I'll take the cookies, thankyouverymuch.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Sorry, Al.
I think the only snacks left are the muffins from the Jim Edmonds Fan Club.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
Those are probably stale by now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I understand...
Not a knee jerk reaction, just for my own impatient reasons.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 23, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
That's why I said "be careful what you wish for"
I’d rather have Dunn too, but it doesn’t sound like Dunn is on the Cubs’ radar. Hopefully that changes.
Bradley's the much better fit
…since he’s capable of playing right field well, unlike Dunn.
Dunn would be a butcher in right. We’ll end up with a Brewers-like outfield if we’re not careful. Awful, awful defense.
bradley IS capable of playing RF
for 70 games
he’s also capable of playing DL for 90-100
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Given our roster depth in the outfield
I think that’s a risk we can take on effectively.
With risk comes a discount in cost and years, which makes him fit our needs even better.
Doubtful there's a discount in cost...
in years, yes. But I woulnd’t assume Bradley will be cheaper in cost.
i don't see how we know that
i havent’ seen a single speculation even on what it would take in terms of dollars and years to sign either guy
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Because no one in their right mind
Would sign a player with that kind of injury risk to a long-term, high cost deal.
It’s common sense.
and some
might say the same thing about a defensively challenged DH type…..
you said relative to Dunn the cost would be far less, and i don’t see how we have any evidence to justify that opinion
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Where did I say that?
I just said that with Bradley you get a discount in cost in years, versus his value as a player. I didn’t even mention Dunn, who I think will be relatively affordable as well.
My concern with Dunn is his defense, not his cost. I’m surprised after 2007, and after watching the Brewers and Yankees last season, that people are willing to even entertain a outfield with defense that poor.
the discount
has to be relative to SOMETHING, otherwise how do you know it’s a discount
i just assumed the word “discount” meant relative to Dunn, if it didn’t my bad
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 24, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, sorry. I can see where it came across that way.
I meant a discount relative to his actual value as a player. Usually a player of his caliber would fetch a long, high-priced deal.
Better tell his agent that...
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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 23, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
yes, but he'll play the DL well.
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 23, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
In order to play the DL better than Bradley, you have to be Mark Prior.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
do hitters do towel drills?
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 23, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
No, they do towel bar drills.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
Actually
In order to play right field better than Dunn, you have to play.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
but don't mention what you have to do to hit better than our regular RF'er last year.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Capable for a few games...
Assuming Bradley plays more than 80 games in the OF next year is incredibly optimistic considering he’s done it all of once in his career.
slight edit...
he’s only topped 100 games once.
Regardless, due to the injury risk (or maybe injury virtual guarantee) Bradley is NOT a better fit than Dunn.
The exact number of games he'll play is unknown...
my edit was to consider the fact that I believe he HAD topped 80 games more than once, but has only topped 100 games twice.
I agree though – it’s extremely unlikely that Bradley plays close to a full season next year.
espcially when he will be...
1) an ass.
b) a big contract.
d) hurt before the break.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Because we only need Bradley for a dozen games in October.
Our offense is fine. The LH bat is just for the playoffs. Who cares if he’s on the DL for 80 games?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
When we're paying him a crapload of cash, then a lot of people care.
The Cubs can’t just piss away that money for a bat that may not be healthy the whole year, especially when he is not likely to repeat the previous year’s performance. We’re better off saving the cash, going into the season with Kosuke in right, and using that cash for a possible midseason acquisition that will probably be better than Bradley. If the Cubs cannot acquire a bat via trade, I believe Dunn is the best option. If Dunn is too pricey, then Kosuke is the best bet.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
We're not going into next season without a new, shiny LH bat.
So, the question becomes – which does the least long-term damage to our team.
If it’s Dunn for 5 years, Abreu for 4, or Bradley for 3 (or please, please just 2) AND less cash for Bradley, then just consider the “crapload of cash” like paying not to have bad defense stuck on the roster for many years.
After all, a healthy Bradley is the best option for the Cubs when defense and offense are both taken into account.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
funny how some mistake 162 game roster versus playoff roster
Bradley if he is the designated new OF bat, and Piniella makes for a good match to get Bradley to the playoffs healthy
Here is where things come back to Piniella type of game and roster management. Bradley will probably be used sparingly for the first half of the season. DeRosa will be used in RF if he still remains.
Still a big deal to make.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I understand.
The post I linked argues that Bradley for 80 games is better than Dunn for 150. That’s why I posted it, to present that, pretty well constructed as I saw it, argument. The likelihood that Bradley will miss time is one of 2 major reasons people are opposed to him. I’m arguing that, while I understand he’ll miss time, he’s still the best acquisition given the choices.
by philadelphiacub on Dec 23, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Those projections rely on a couple of things...
the primary one is that Bradley is worth more offensively than Dunn. I think that’s a faulty assumption, and I’m guessing it’s based on Bradley’s numbers last year.
Bingo....dont' expect Bradley to repeat his 2008 performance.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Those are the 2009 Marcels projections
so it’s a matter of how dependable you think those are. While Bradley’s year last year is unlikely to be repeated, last year didn’t come out of nowhere. He’s put up consistently good numbers throughout his career, and looking at that projection, .293/.392/.502, that iline is completely in line with his career norm. Dunn’s 09 Marcel is .247/.374/.497. If you looked at the charts in that post, you’d see that the offensive projections are similiar, but that the defensive projections are where Bradley far outperforms Dunn, at a rate of +5 to -13.
So in a word, no, those projections do not rely on the assumption that bradley is worth offensive worth more offensively than Dunn. They suggest he’s ever so slightly more valuable offensively, but on the whole is more valuable due to defense. So it’s not a faulty assumption, and because the number projection used in that post is in line with career norms, it’s not safe to assume it’s skewed by his numbers last year.
by philadelphiacub on Dec 23, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
How come
the “experts” on ESPN didn’t see this coming??
Now the dominoes will start falling..
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
largely because
suggestions are that the Yankees only stepped in in the last couple of days, so most assumed Boston was in the lead.
This was very well played by Brian Cashman.
Reports suggested Boston was assuming they were the big contract and refused to match what Boras brought. If the Yankee interest was more well known, Boston may have been willing to match that contract. Cashman deserves respect for the way he got this done. Teix was always more important to the Yankees going forward than the pitchers, but Cashman feinted like he couldn’t do it, then feinted like he was interested in Manny. Well played.
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Damn I thought we had a chance
Finally the rest of the off season will get going
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Winning those preseason games at the New Yankee Stadium?
:)
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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 23, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
I was joking
though he’d be a better investment than Soriano
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Wow, CC, AJ and now MT.
The Yankees scare me. They really do.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
i think they are probably the favorites in the AL rightnow
This does make their lineup look more imposing. Prior to this, they were looking at Matsui as their other big bat in the middle. Now, a lineup like
1. Damon, LF
2. Jeter, SS
3. Tex, 1st
4. Rodriguez, 3rd
5. Matsui, DH
6. Nady (my guess), RF
7. Cano, 2nd
8. Posada, C
9. Cabrera, CF
is fairly imposing. If you can get an .800+ OPS out of the 7th spot, that’s sweet.
Yep, and then you toss in the rotation...
…of, what, CC, Burnett, Joba, Wang and Petite. Yow. If they all stay healthy, that’s pretty fearsome.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
And Phillip Hughes is waiting in the wings for the rotation
Hughes has been lights out this winter. Lots of talent.
I guess this means that don't want Jason Marquis then.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
But he's from NY!
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
Frankly, I'm not that frightened of that rotation...
… considering Burnett, Wang and Joba all have health issues.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
That's true.
And CC may not be as dominant in the AL East as he was in the NL Central.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
...beggars would ride?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
If I were the Yankees..
My rotation would be Sabathia, Burnett, Wang, Hughes and Kennedy, with Joba moving back to the bullpen as ace set-up man to Rivera. I’d also take a pass on bringing back Pettitte. Hughes and Kennedy both have high ceilings and it should be time for them to answer the bell.
Kennedy has a high ceiling?
Don’t see it . In saying that, I think Kennedy is a fine end of the rotation prospect/young pitcher, but he was ridiculously overhyped.
I’m not saying that rotation is a bad idea, rather that I’ve never seen this high ceiling some folks have suggested. For example, I don’t think Kennedy as a prospect was ever as good as Gallagher.
You misunderstood what BLou was saying...
he meant that Hughes and Kennedy are roomates in a condo with vaulted ceilings, and they never answer the door when BLou rings the doorbell.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Wang has health issues?
Granted, he just missed most of last year, but that’s not the type of injury I’d be concerned about moving forward. It was a baserunning injury to his leg.
Frankly, you could make the same argument about OUR rotation, Al. Zambrano, Harden, Lilly and Dempster all have had health issues too.
Don't remind me.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
+1
If Wang has any sort of injury issue, it’d be the blisters he gets on occasion … but a lot of pitchers get them.
blisters on wang...ouch.
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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 23, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
It puts the lotion on or it gets the hose!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Put the f**king lotion in the basket!
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
I will say this, I think the best rotation in the division
is in Tampa Bay.
Agreed
And the Red Sox, I think, have the best bullpen. The Yankees’ pitching isn’t anything to sneeze at, but it’s not exactly the best around either.
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman
if healthy, I think the best pen is
in Toronto. Big if, though, as they need a healthy Accardo zipping things in setting up BJ Ryan. red Sox would be close, though, particularly if they keep Masterson in the pen setting up Papelbon.
With the way he's been used over the past few years,
I wouldn’t be surprised if CC gets some as well
"I don't know, I think the Bears should just defer so they don't have to put their offense out there to start" -Tony Kornhesier
Hope nobody has to run the bases!
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 23, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
If you're right, the Cubs could be in the market.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
He a lefty OF
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
I'd rather have Matsui than any of the free agent options.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Even with him coming off an injury?
From Kyodo News, via Rotoworld:
Daisuke Matsuzaka and Ichiro Suzuki are among seven major leaguers included on Japan’s preliminary roster for the WBC.
The others are Hiroki Kuroda, Akinori Iwamura, Kosuke Fukudome, Kenji Johjima and Takashi Saito. Noticeably absent is Hideki Matsui, who will miss the tournament following knee surgery. Also missing are Kenshin Kawakami and Koji Uehara. Both pitched for Japan in the 2008 Olympics, but it appears as though they’ll get a chance to settle in with their new MLB teams next spring.
Coming off of that kind of surgery, and with Cashman himself saying he won’t be ready by then (not to mention his NTC), I’m not sure what we could expect from him.
Interesting.
I thought he was going to be healthy for 2009. But maybe the Yankees asked him not to participate.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
There were rumors
that suggested that the Yankees don’t think he can play regularly in the OF anymore. Speculation was that he was slated to be their DH this year, with an occasional appearance in the OF if need be.
His defense in RF would have to be worse than Dunn
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Ugh...
that sucks. We all know you can’t spend your way to a championship but it can’t hurt. If this doesn’t prove that MLB needs some form of salary restrictions I don’t know what does? Ironically, the Yankees signed him the same day it comes out that they owe $26.9M for the Luxury Tax.
As soon as any potential FA becomes available the teams immediately mentioned are the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, and sometimes the Cubs. Where will Joe Mauer end up? More than likely re-upping (to the Union’s chagrin) with the Twins or a battle between the Yankees and Red Sox looking to replace Posada and Varitek.
When will Hendry make a move?
I’ve heard rumors of Bradley possibly going to Seattle. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/seattle_mariners/index.html
The Mariners are also interested in Dunn. Where does that leave our OF? It looks like we’re going to be forced to acquire somebody via trade. Picking between Dunn and Bradley is definitely picking the best of 2 evils.
Andy R.
by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 23, 2008 3:02 PM CST reply actions
Money's Not Everything, But...
it sure does help in putting together a competitive ballclub. I’m glad that the Rays had their success last season. The Twins almost beat out the White Sox for the AL Central in 2008. Let’s face it! Chances are that the Yankees are going to win more games in the next 10 years than the Rays or the Twins because of the Yankees’ huge bank roll. I’m glad the Yanks haven’t won a WS since 2000 and haven’t been since 2003, but how long are those droughts going to continue?
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
Yankees are singular mission...to add to their collection of 26 World Series Championships
I might be in the minority around here, but I get a kick out of the Yankees. And yes, I do root for them to succeed. The Steinbrenner boys are carrying on the legacy of their old man. Personally, I love it.
CC Sabathia AND AJ Burnett AND Mark Texiera…in one offseason !!!
Plus they add the versatile Nick Swisher. Keep in mind the big salaries they have subtracted this offseason in Mike Mussina ($17 M), Andy Pettitte ($16 M), Kyle Farnsworth (several mil), Bobby Abreu ($16 M), Jason Giambi ($19 M)
Way way way wait..."the versatile Nick Swisher?"
I thought you hated Nick Swisher. Gomer Pyle and all that…?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
I do hate him
But how would you like to have the versatile Nick Swisher to serve as “super sub”? Not too shabby in my book.
i don't think he'll be a super sub
i think swisher is either their starting lineup or he is traded. Unless Hal changes his mind and ups the payroll. Because as of now, they can’t bring back Pettite without shedding a contract. It could be Nady, they’d probably prefer to dump Matsui, but it might be Swisher they move.
I Root for them also
Blou, but this life after George Steinbrenner appears to be Building a Team more for Attendance than winning a world Series. The Old Man wanted to Win Just as much as he wanted to make money. I don’t get that same feeling from his Son’s
How'd you like to be the Milwaukee Brewers right now
They don’t get top compensation for CC Sabathia now. Looks like Ben Sheets will be a very late signing by somebody, meaning the Brewers might not get comp picks for him after all. Plus they are chasing washed up geriatrics to desperately rebuild a pitching staff.
Good luck with a rotation of Suppan, Bush, McClung and Capuano to go along with Gallardo. Also the bullpen is an unmitigated disaster.
Seriously, why aren’t they on the phone right now trading Prince Fielder to the Angels for pitching?
by BLou on Dec 23, 2008 3:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Because Prince ate the phone?
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and the NRA
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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 23, 2008 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
and the NAACP
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
you forgot parra
if parra and gallardo develops, that’s a 1/2 for their rotation, with Jeffress potentially ready within a year or two. That said, yes, they’ll likely take a step back in 2009, but they could be intriguing in 2010.
As for Fielder and the Angels, I’m not sure I love the Angels young pitching enough to swing a trade for Fielder. They supposedly tried for Cain, but the Giants wanted too much. I mean, I like Adenhart and Walden, but they are 2/3 types at best, and Weaver/Saunders are back end of the rotation types. Santana is a mid-back end type imo. Why deal Fielder for that when you can hold on to him and wait a bit more as he is cost-controlleD? If someone offers a legit TOR guy, I think they pull the trigger in a heartbeat. Gives them time to see if Gamel has the power for first base as well.
That's assuming Jeffress makes it.
As I recall, he’s had several issues in the minors already that led to suspensions. Two points make a line….
Compensation for losing a free agent has nothung to do with the timing of losing him.
Unless you meant that the longer he stays out there the more likely it is that the Brewers could re-sign him themselves.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 27, 2008 7:41 AM CST up reply actions
wasn't someone suggesting
the yankees were trying to shed payroll in another thread…. and that brought up the idea of moving Damon, etc…
yeah… i don’t think they’re trying to shed payroll
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 3:15 PM CST reply actions
I was the one that brought up Damon
But I wasn’t saying it was to trim payroll. I thought if they signed Manny, Damon would be much more expendable.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
hmmm....
i could’ve sworn someone’s argument for it was because the yankees are looking to shed payroll… maybe it was someone different or i just mis-interpreted the argument
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
And I'm not sure of what your idea of "shedding" payroll is...
Because now that they signed these three, I think they will be trying very hard to move guys like Damon and/or Matsui.
I guess you could call this subtraction by addition?!
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
it's not payroll
its roster spots
if the argument had been they’re trying to unload the roster spot, i would’ve gotten it
but like i said i could’ve completely misunderstood the argument anyway
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
their payroll will be lower, in all likelihood, than in 2008
Unless Hal changes his mind, suggestions are that, for them to bring back Pettite, they’d have to cut some payroll.
yes its 18 million lower right now
but again they didn’t need to shed Damon, clearly they were doing ok since they could hand out an additional 20+ million to one player
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
i don't think they'd shed damon anyways
he’s their only real leadoff option, unless they go with Jeter. I think the shed candidates are Nady/Swisher/Matsui (perhaps in that order), and they’d love to dump the Igawa deal.
What makes you think Matsui wouldn't be the first they'd like to shed?
I would think that would be there number one guy to chop.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
dh, big contract
which al team really has a huge need for someone like Matsui? If he can play in the field, that changes the equation, but I think enough folks are worried. He was never the power hitter he was in Japan.
Oh, wait, I was referencing likelihood of the guy being shed, and not what they would prefer. I think they’d love to shed Matsui, but I don’t see it happening.
That's a good point
What they want and what they can do, are totally different.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
over/under on when the Yankees sign Manny < 2 weeks.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:18 PM CST reply actions
So are they still after Manny?
Can they truly spend more money 200 gazillion dollars?
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
crap...
…“more than 200 gazillion dollars”
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Dec 23, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Doubt it.
When it’s all said & done, I bet Manny’s still a Dodger.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
i say when its all said and done
he’s still an astronaut
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know about that
Sounds like Frank McCourt and his daughter have slapped the cuffs on Ned Colletti.
Who do you suppose Manny goes to, then? An NPB team?
Manny’s only option right now is the Dodgers, in my eyes.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
I'd guess Dodgers
but I wouldn’t be surprised if Manny’s destination was a mild surprise. Say … Toronto, and they move Snider to 1st/DH. Or somewhere else.
The scary part is, if the Yankees shed Matsui and, say, Swisher, and let Pettite go, they might be able to sign Manny and still be under 200 million.
I just hope Hendry doesn't bite if the Yanks shop Godzilla.
He’s a corner outfielder, lefty bat with power, and Japanese (expensive Fuku-friend). But he’s older, on the decline, a health risk, bad defensively, and scheduled to make $13 million next year. Yikes. No rumors I’ve seen, but I just hope I don’t START seeing any.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
Actually, a very good destination for Manny would be...
… San Francisco.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Ah, from Barry to Manny in the matter of a few years.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
They can afford him...
… and they could use a box-office boost. It makes a lot of sense.
Plus, don’t they seem to like the over-35 set?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I wonder about his reception though....
given,
1) He’s coming from the Dodgers (and made them successful)
2) He’s an ass
and 3) Did I mention he’s coming from the Dodgers?
It wouldn’t be the first time a guy shifted across that rivalry, but usually those guys were at least likeable. Manny isn’t…
That said, he CAN play the game pretty well…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 23, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Meh, I think Giants fans would get over the Dodgers thing pretty quickly.
After all, this is the fanbase that supported Barroid until the (apparently) bitter end.
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My point about not being likeable...
Was that “likeability” helps Giant fans get over their dislike of all things Dodger. It’s why, for example, Hershiser was able to pitch there without people throwing batteries.
You really have to be around the rivalry to fully appreciate the level of disdain among fans (I think it’s a more fiery rivalry than the Cubs/Cards or Yankees/Red Sox).
With Manny, not only did he help the Dodgers succeed, but he has a lousy me-first attitude that makes it harder to overlook his “sin” of being a former Dodger. So I would be surprised to see fans warm to him.
Bonds was a different creature. He may not be likeable all in all (though I think that’s generally overstated. I think he’s more a private guy ala Mantle), but he gave everything to the Giants on the field, and at least had moments where he did seem to appreciate the fans there.
Anyway, all in all I think you may be right that Giants fans could get over Manny’s Dodger connections, but only because he’s probably looked at as more of a Red Sox.
But that said, don’t underestimate just how much Giants fans loathe anyone associated with the Dodgers. And “Manny being Manny” wouldn’t help any.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 24, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
btw...
I hope my comment above doesn’t come off as brash. Tone is always hard to convey on these things.
I think you guys could be right so I’m not trying to be dismissive. I just wanted to note that the rivalry could have some impact as well…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 24, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
As I said...
… I think just swiping Manny from the Giants might be enough for the “rivalry” portion of it.
The Giants need a big star. That’s a big market team that had one, although a controversial one, for 15 years before last year. It’s no surprise their attendance dropped.
They’d be smart to sign Manny.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
It would depend on the trade cost
and the health reports. The nice thing about Matsui is that you only have to pay him for one year. I could see a healthy Matsui hitting .300/.375/.475 in the NL Central. I’m not sure he’s good enough for the OF, though. I just don’t know where he’s at health wise.
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well ricciardi says they are out of spending
dodgers sitll seem most likely, but i wouldn’t discount a surprise big money offer from a team like baltimore or washington. that said, if he wants a chance to win, those two places won’t be fits.
assuming the angels are out as well, hmm … there isn’t much left for him. i wonder if the braves visit this after their horrible offseason so far. the giants are a thought.
200 GAZILLION dollars.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
OT: Nationals sign Patterson and Sosa
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
I suppose those two probably equal the production they would have gotten out of Tex.
It all works out in the end.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Shrewd to have a backup plan in place.
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
Really, Washington Nationals? Really?
You’re really giving Corey Patterson the opportunity to play major league baseball again? Really?
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Wait, you said the Nationals, right?
You’re sure that’s major league baseball?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Barely, I suppose.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
Wait
Why didn’t you create a fanpost for this? Isn’t that what you’re suppose to do with stories like this?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Do you mean a Fanshot?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
postshot?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
hotshot?
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 23, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
shotput?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
putout?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
Cop out?
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 23, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
output?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
outhouse?
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 23, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
I ate cheese fries?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Speak up, sonny.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
Oh, why don't you just go pound sand!
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, a classic from the '08 season.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
I thought that was an SWL original.
Do we need to call a copyright attorney in here?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
He is among us as we speak.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
I'm not sure about you,
but I rarely speak my comments as I type them
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 23, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
I have a confession to make...I sing mine...as Ethel Merman.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of which...
…if you haven’t been to YouTube lately, check out their new (?) “audio preview” feature for comments. I actually typed in “pound sand, you idiot” the other day and laughed my ass off.
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I'm reading Joel Sherman's article right now
Hmm … they were thinking about 2010? Somewhat shrewd thought process … not only do they get a guy better than what was out there in 2010, but they lose all their picks this year in regards to FA signings, rather than potentially losing more high round picks next year.
Suggests Damon/Matsui/Nady/Swisher could get moved. I still doubt Damon, as they lack another leadoff guy and if I’m not mistaken, he has 2 years left on his deal.
I would really like to be right about Damon
and see him patrolling center for us next year.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
what amazes me
is this is written like it was some sort of epiphany to the yankees
when anyone could see that Tex addressed their biggest organizational needs and should’ve been their top priority this offseason
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
what do you mean by "organizational need"
in terms of immediate need, yes, Tex addressed a top spot. In terms of organizational, they do have top prospect Jesus Montero likely headed for first base. Furthermore, Swisher could man first as well. I think pitching was the foremost agenda, with Tex as a bonus once they achieved their pitching needs.
ummm... i mean they don't have a long-term option at 1B in the
next few years
Montero is still 2-3 years away and the Yankees have sold him as a C and done everything they can to keep him there. Since they view him as a C long-term i assumed he didn’t fill their 1B role long-term
as for Swisher… yeah that seemed to be obvious insurance to me given the cost of acquiring him. they can play him in the OF now or DH, he wasn’t a long-term answer at 1B, not for the Yankees
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Montero's defense sucks
I think Cervelli or Romine will be the C of the future, unless Jesus suddenly improves. I think he’s a 1st/DH in the making.
yes...
this is what everyone outside of the Yankees thinks, i get it.
My point isn’t judging their assessment of him, it’s judging how they viewed their long-term plans and if THEY view him as a C then they had NO ONE in the organization to fill 1B for the long-term, making this the most glaring position to fill
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 24, 2008 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
there was a report
that indicated that’s how the Yankees think as well but they don’t see a need to move him right now. Sort of like the Braves and Saltalamacchia awhile back, when most assumed he would end at 1st, or with Max Ramirez.
That said, Montero wouldn’t have blocked a Tex signing. I was simply pointing out his future isn’t behind the plate. Montero can always DH, as it’s the raw power that the Yankees are after.
i get your viewpoint
and the scouting world’s viewpoint of Montero
My point simply was from an organizational standpoint the Yankees biggest glaring weaknesses are IMPACT BATS
they just don’t have them coming up in the system and they’ve lost a lot of them as players decline and contracts expire. You could arguably say the only remaining impact bat in the lineup this year was going to be ARod.
Add in that within their system they didn’t have an immediate solution coming anytime soon at 1B, and getting Teixeira, a relatively young player to hit FA, made more sense than anything else. There was only one impact hitter on the market this year that could be counted on for a 5-6 years, and in general there haven’t been many in recent years because of the beneficial impacts of revenue sharing and teams getting smarter about locking up their best talent. So there was unlikely to be another player to come to FA of his caliber anytime soon.
All this to me, pointed to Tex being the biggest need this offseason for them, not CC. If they have anything in their system that’s close to major league ready it’s pitching (and Austin Jackson in CF), so my feeling was they could afford to forego getting the biggest impact pitcher because they had a chance at finding some of those in their system, where they didn’t have that chance with the bat
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 24, 2008 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Another Blockbuster Signing!
The Nats sign… Corey Patterson. How much more exciting signings will this day bring?!
http://blogs.denverpost.com/rockies/2008/12/23/embrees-deal-braves-sign-norton-nats-add-patterson-sosa/
Someday we'll go all the way...
Hello! and welcome to 18 minutes ago!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Darn...
I thought I had the late breaking hot stove news.
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by CubsBullsBears on Dec 23, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
You broke the stove.
Please call a repair service.
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So you already heard...
The Yankees signed Tex? Lol.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 23, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
The Yankees signed the Texas Ranger's? The whole roster?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
and Houston's...
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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 23, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
And, I think, the Round Rock Express, too.
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman
I heard that they annexed The entirety of Prince Edward Island.
To store their 47 new minor league teams.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
It's rumored that the Yankees were also candidate #4 on Blago's list.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
The Yankees were the second shooter.
Explains the mysterious pinstripe-shaped shadows on the grassy knoll.
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman
George Steinbrenner was on the grassy knoll.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
DAMN YANKEES!
That is all.
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman
Can you take me HIGHHHERRRR
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Side note, the future of Jeter
I wonder what they do with Jeter when his contract comes up. Many had assumed Jeter was destined for first, as he was always an overrated defensive player. That’s definitely taken now, and I’m hardpressed to see them keep Jeter and his glove at short. Maybe DH? It’d be a bit odd, but it’s a thought.
Can we get him? Even with all his shortcomings on defense, he's better than our SS.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Jeter
wasn’t good last year. I don’t care much for Jeter at his potential costs. That said, Jeter, barring a stunner, retires as a Yankee.
oops, typo
meant to say jeter wasn’t great last year. he was solid offensively, though, at least for the position, but his glove was still poor.
The more they spend
the more wonderful it will be when they fail. It’s like George is on his last years and Hank and Co want to do whatever it takes to win one for him. I will take great joy when they fail again. They deserve it. Not the players, the selfish bastards that throw money around to create unbalance in this baseball market.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
mlbtr.com now states
that the yankees are going to try and trade damon, matsui or nady. I wouldn’t mind seeing the cubs go after damom. He’s a left handed lead off hitter, and it would only be for a year, opposed to a multiple year deal for bradley or dunn.
Andy R.
by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 23, 2008 3:50 PM CST reply actions
I'd rather have him than Gathright, but he's too risky, especially in a trade
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He throws worse than Jacque Jones now...
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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 23, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
..and we just got that new turf and all....
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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 23, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
But I hear the new outfield turf is much "bouncier" now...that may negate all the noodle armed 5 hoppers to the cutoff man.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
maybe they'll leave the ice hockey rink there...
…until the first really warm day. That ball will scoot!
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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 23, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Johnny Damon in CF
Is bleh defensively. That said, I could probably live with it for a year late, as we could bring on a defensive replacement late. I’m just not sold they move him. Their only other leadoff option as of now is Jeter, and he’s really not a leadoff option. Furthermore, adding someone like Damon begs the question of where we add a middle of the order bat?
I'd rather have Nady
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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 23, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Johnny Damon = bad defense
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
If you're going to get a defensively-challenged outfielder...
…better make it Abreu or Dunn, and at least get some offense to go along with that bad glove. Count my vote on Damon as a big “no thank you”.
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman
not in damon's case
as he doesn’t have the arm
Sometimes...
…but only if they have a good throwing arm. Damon may have the WORST throwing arm in the game. But if he were to come to the Cubs, it would mean he’d play CF and the Fukudome/DeRo combo would remain in RF – which seems both far-fetched and dumb.
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman
There's still the Soriano to RF
possibility, but then you’d be asking Sori to change positions and batting order placement for the same guy.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
and he can't hit as well as any of those clowns either.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
He’s stats were pretty good last year. .305/.375 OBP 17 HR’s and 29 stolen bases in 143 games
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
That's better than I remembered...
…but still not as good as Abreu’s or Dunn’s career numbers, or Bradley’s admittedly flukey 2008 stat line.
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman
Here's my point all along
Damon isn’t my perfect fit. I’m not in love with him. But I’d rather him for one year, than those other three for 3 year deals…
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Agreed
If the Yankees to decide to move him, I think he’s the best option. One year of a mediocre outfielder is better than 3. But what would we have to give up to get him?
Andy R.
by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 23, 2008 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Unbelievable...
Its crazy how much the Yanks are spending on these players. Sure they are great, but they aren’t worth those contracts, especially Teixiera and Burnett
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personally, the contract i'd be more concerned with
is the sabathia contract. Tex should give you gold glove caliber defense and quality offense. Burnett’s had one bad injury. As physically strong as CC is, I wonder when things catch up. That said, the Yankees are really playing for the next 3 years, and in particular, next year, so the down the line concerns aren’t as big with them.
I've heard rumors about Jeter joining the Cubs
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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 23, 2008 3:57 PM CST reply actions
grant it...
It was my own rumor, a few posts up…
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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 23, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
...for dinner prior to the preseason games?
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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 23, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
I am interested in this...and would like to subscribe to your newsletter!
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by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 23, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
At one point we talked about getting a thread together to repost our favorite BCB images from 2008
Good idea? Someone want to start a FanPost?
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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 23, 2008 4:06 PM CST reply actions
or a FanShot?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
sure. go for it.
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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 23, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Meh. Just post a link to the infamous "-ography" fanpost.
That should be enough.
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman
Aw man, that was one of my favorites.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
Ha, forgot about that one.
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I just looked at it again...
and laughed my butt off.
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It should be required reading for any new members of BCB...
take your time and read through the epicness of awesome.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
Awesomeography
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
whatever happened to the Canadian Wolverine?
haven’t seen Benoit in ages – did he break his neck again for the umpteenth time?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I was just going to get the link when you posted...
Was pretty big news in the Atl.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit_double_murder_and_suicide
wow - no joke, I swear. And I sincerely apologize for not doing more fact-checking.
I had completely forgotten that was him involved in the murder/suicide tragedy.
My reference was going back to his wrestling days where it seemed like he was always missing a few months here and there, most of the time because he was always smashing vertebrae in his neck.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I have to assume this is a joke
Not even ballhawk is this much of a jackass.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
not a joke. more like a brain cramp of the highest degree.
Just me being more of a dumbass than a jackass. See apology above – I completely forgot that was Benoit involved in all that.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Fair enough...
I’m even more grumpy than usual on the subject of wrestling. When I think of how much I supported it in the 80s, I feel like I need to take an industrial-strength shower.
Sorry I got cranky.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
Wow, what a trip.
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And in order to afford Texeira, the Yankees announced today...
NEW YORK (AP) — The price of a bleacher seat for the exhibition openers at the new Yankee Stadium will cost far less than a soda.
The Yankees said Wednesday that bleacher seats for the games against the Chicago Cubs on April 3 and 4 will sell for 25 cents and grandstand tickets will be $1.10. That matches the prices for the opener of the original Yankee Stadium against Boston on April 18, 1923.
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Probably not...
… people will just wait for the price to come down.
Or maybe they’ll sell those on a will-call basis only, ID required.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Are you kidding?
First ever game in that stadium and you don’t think people will pay 100’s, if not 1000’s?
If I knew the buyer had gotten the ticket free or for 25 cents?
Nope. I’d wait for the price to drop.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
How can Cub fans ridicule the Yankees???
The Yankees have won 26 World Series Championships, to include 6 during the Steinbrenner regime. Meanwhile we are a “big market team” that is on a 101 year losing streak. And we have had way, way too many horrible free agent signings over the year to mock the Yankees. Unlike us they seem to purchase top shelf free agents instead of has-beens and other dubious characters. Unlike us they also have a farm system that supplies a lot of talent to either play or trade.
Who exactly is ridiculing them?
I’m just curious as to who you’re yelling at here.
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Not sure if anyone posted this yet
but seems a bit ahead of its time now
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27656
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
8yr/180m
Yeah, Boras SUUURE got his comeuppance after the Red Sox and Angels pulled out.
5 percent of 180m is 9 million. What did you do today?
Hate him if you like, but if you could throw the ball 99 mph or hit a 99 mph fastball, you’d want him in that room for you, not some goody-goody pansy.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
Yeah, he's a stud.
I wonder if there’s any sort of agent-ranking system out there… or recognitions, citataions, whatever. He’s gotta be the Barry Bonds of representation.
I will grant you that.
Boras may be responsible for helping to drive ticket prices through the stratosphere by the deals he’s gotten, in part from getting teams to bid against themselves (the original A-Rod deal with Texas, for example).
But there is no doubt that he does the job his clients hire him to do, and does it very well.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Boras' job
is not to give one hairy rat’s butt about ticket prices or the fans.
He gets money for players.
Never ever believe that owners are just benevolent little saints. They bent players over the sawhorse for 100 years before free agency. I giggle every time an owner gets bent over now.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
Boras does have a small Manny problem right now
Boras’ overall best case scenario was for Tex to land in Boston, with Manny going to NY. I applaud him for not trying to manipulate things for the best overall circumstance for himself, but rather, for his players, but I wonder how the Manny situation works itself out now. He either boxed himself into the corner with Manny and leaves the Dodgers, or he has a surprise team waiting, perhaps the Braves.
Manny to the Cubs!
Just kidding.
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman
Boras plays chicken
As well as anybody else. Manny is a hitting machine. He can walk into some spring training on March 15 and hit.
Teams think they can wait Boras out. They are wrong. They need Manny much more than Manny (and Boras) needs money. That’s why Boras will win.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
There is no RIGHT here
There is money. Some make more. Some make less.
This is a serious business, run by serious people. I seriously doubt they worry much about playground ethics.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
This seem to come out of nowhere..
I remember reading just last night along the bottom line that Yankees were denying having offer at all for Tex. I guess that follows Al’s thoughts that the most talked about things usually don’t happen and the ones you never hear about do. Granted that was about trades, but nonetheless…
So does anyone have a take on how this effects the cubs and their free agency period. Even with this huge contract, I seem to keep hearing and reading that the market will stay considerably down, which I suppose is good for us, whether it is Bradley, Abreu, Dunn, etc.
Interesting to see you agreeing with the Dunn lovers Al! I had you pinned as too much of a defensive guy for that. I, like many others, like Bradley. However, there is soemthing to say for Dunn being very young and VERY consistent. Sure, part of that consistency is a low batting average, but at least you know you are getting that + power and walks. Not to mention he kills the ball at Wrigley, as we all know. Seems to be a history of signing a guys after their best year ever (Bradleys 08) rather than someone as consistent as Dunn or even Abreu. Just a thought….how many HR’s would Dunn hit on to sheffield in an entire season? over/under? haha
Dunn isn't "very" young.
He’s 29. But he’s healthy and he can hit. I will cringe at his defense. But I cringed at Dave Kingman’s, too, and the guy could hit. Dunn has a much better attitude than Kingman, too.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
hell for kicks lets start him at 1b and Lee in RF
couldn’t be any worse, right?
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Yea, i guess very young isn't the word
But younger than the rest of the pool and younger than any starter on our offense, save Theriot/Soto. Attitude certainly is much better than Bradley’s past antics, but I still am a little eery about it. We all heard Toronto’s GM talking about him being lazy and when I was going to college in Ohio, I can’t tell you how many shirts I saw literally saying “trade dunn,” and never really met too many people that liked him. I also recall a quote saying that if he wont the lottery he would never pick up a bat again…which seemed just really odd to me.
Still, his best offense road numbers are at Wrigley and he is probably gonna hit 40+ again, though his output would probably suffer not being able to rock Z on opening day. Just kidding. But if anyone remembers a game this past season where he tried to throw the ball in and it literally went behind him and rolled to the wall…one of the funniest and worst defensive plays ive ever seen.
Anyone care to mention the Yankees payroll in 09 will be less than 08?
Theyre simply using the 80M that came off the books this year from Giambi/Pavano/Mussina/Pudge/Pettitte(for now)……sure its more money in the total view, but in a year to year basis, its actually lower than they spent in 08, for now.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 23, 2008 6:34 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
for now, not to mention they will resign Pettitte
and I wouldn’t doubt if they took a run at Manny. Difference is this money is used for three players instead of a mulitude of players..
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Well if they get Pettitte on their terms
It will be for 6M less than his previous salary.
If them going after Manny meant dealing Matsui, thats something that could interest the Cubs
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
two aging outfielders from Japan...
eeww, um yeah, i’ll have to DISAGREE with you on that one…(sips Initech mug)
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The Bobs called me at home.....
I didnt say Id want it, but he seems to fit the bill for what theyre looking for…left handed, some power, great on base skills, legendary porn collection
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Yeah...I'm gonna go ahead and take the stapler...
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We need to talk about your flair
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
i've been saying that, and another thing to keep in mind
is that the loss of picks is all lumped in one year, rather than losing high picks in back to back years. a small note, but something that is a plus for them.
they also have a 2nd rounder
due to missing on Scott Bittle as well. Forgot about that. If they keep, say, Swisher, I don’t really see them going heavy into FA next year (OF of Swisher/Jackson and one more perhap), so they may have their full allotment of picks. Maybe they spend to add an OF, a potential leadoff option? Either way, this was essentially the ideal year for them to go hard. They had money clearing up now in after 09, and they had extra picks from not signing guys. Ugh for everyone, but they still have a 1st and 2nd? All they are really missing is that 3rd rounder. Sure, it comes with the failure of signing Bittle and Cole, but they spend in the international markets to compensate for the loss of young talent.
LOL
at the Brewers not getting a first rounder for CC. There was ony one player who could have done that and it was TEX. HAHAHAHAHA..
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
so basically the CC trade gave them jacksquat in the long run
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It gave Fielder...
Someone to share clothes with for a few months.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 23, 2008 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
it gave the Brewers the yankees 2nd round draft pick next draft
by philadelphiacub on Dec 23, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
Plus the pick between the 1st and 2nd round.
Oh, and they played one day longer than the Cubs did in 2008.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 27, 2008 7:43 AM CST up reply actions
Well, it gave them a precious sip of postseason baseball.
But, honestly, the way Yost rode CC down the stretch reeked of desperation.
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it's based on elias rankings
i’ll try to find an article, but short of it is this – each player has an elias ranking. those that are offered arbitration that have type a rankings will net another team’s first unprotected, whether it is the first or 2nd rounder (top 16 in the first are protected). If a team signs two guys, the FA with the higher elias ranking gets priority. in this case, tex had a higher elias ranking than CC, so the Angels get the first rounder, not the Brewers. In the Yankees case, they get to keep their additional first rounder from failing to sign Gerritt Cole, so they still have a first rounder.
Yanks sign "Cash" to a minor league deal
looks like they are now even paying money for money..
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I really am intrgued what the market for Adam Dunn is.....
I like the board game but, I am not conviced he stays healthy. THat is the only thing that scares me about him…. I dont have a worry about the attitude. He has grown up.
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Yankees payroll is actually in line to be LOWER in 2009 versus last season
Gone — Mussina ($17 mil), Pettitte ($16 mil), Pavano ($11 mil), Farnsworth, Abreu ($16 mil), Giambi ($19 mil), Betemit ($5 mil), Pudge Rodriquez (pro-rata share of salary)
Puts into better pespective how they can go out and “afford” the additions of CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, Mark Texiera and Nick Swisher.
it also shows
how great some of those big spending sprees worked out for them in the past
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 24, 2008 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
Again, I would say...
World Series appearances in 1977, 1978, 1981, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003. Six World Series Championship trophies during Steinbrenner rule. To make the total collection of hardware 26 World Series trophies.
The Steinbrenner strategy might not work every year, but it sure does work an awful lot. And the thing about it is they always have plenty of farm grown talent in the mix that either makes the roster or is used as trade bait.
those world series teams you're referencing
were built from within, not from high priced talent purchased on the open market.
Bernie Williams, Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettite, etc were the cogs in those engines. Not from buying the best talent available
I don’t disagree with you that the way the Yankees have done things gives them a great chance at winning titles, but i’m also saying it doesn’t guarantee anything
and when they have won in the past it’s usually been in more important areas the Yankees have dominated other teams, like scouting and player development, not just purse strings.
The Yankees are the most successful franchise in MLB history because they dominated opponents in scouting and player development long before they started outspending everyone by wide margins
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 24, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Yankees have ALWAYS outspent other teams
Back when Babe Ruth made more than the president, some of this same malarky was out there.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
Well...
There remains a lot of homegrown talent on the Yankees…
Mariano Rivera (Hall of Famer in waiting), Joba Chamberlain, Philip Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Derek Jeter (Hall of Famer in waiting), Robinson Cano, Jorge Posada, Melkey Cabrera. Also, former prospects like Mike Lowell, Alfonso Soriano and others who were traded for valuable pieces.
Yankees literally do it all. They scout well, they develop talent well (e.g., Austin Jackson should be patrolling center field in 2010), they make good trades and they are unabashed in using free agency to their advantage.
I admire the daylights of the Yankees. And yes, I openly root for them too. They use the system to their full advantage. Funny how so many people want to complain about their spending pattern, yet they don’t talk about things like the fact that the Yankees pay the LUXURY TAX without complaint and that their 2009 payroll will actually be LESS than in 2008. If people don’t like the Yankee way of doing business then people should change the rules of baseball.
yes there is
but most of it is in its decline or before its prime, very little of that homegrown talent is actually in its prime
but my point more than anything was that they don’t simply “buy” championships and most of their titles have come not because of exorbitant spending, but because of shrewd scouting and player development
back in the 90’s they were among the highest payroll teams in baseball but the gap wasn’t by 100’s of ’s, it was by 15-20. That’s a whole different level in the difference in spending
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 25, 2008 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
A Purist's Proclamation
Henceforth and heretofore, I am giving up on the game of baseball save for my interest in seeing the Cubs win a pennant. I am so tired of the rampant excess and the politics of revenge being played out by owners and agents that once the Cubs make the World Series, I am outta here as far as being a baseball fan goes.
And when that great day arrives, I’m closing shop. The books; the jerseys; the MLB Extra Innings package; the annual trips to Mesa in March; and the participation on Internet message boards. It all goes bye-bye.
If you hate the business crap
(and I can understand it), why give up the game entirely? Become a season ticket holder at your local college, high school, or semi-pro team. You can still enjoy the sport this way, and without the money involved, it might even be the “pure” experience you are looking for.
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Because he doesn't want to do that...
He wants to make a “statement”
I guess he’ll stop going to movies, because Tom Cruise makes $25 million a picture. Or stop watching TV, because many stars get $1 million an episode.
It’s pretty amazing, how someone with such a low bar still has a hard time getting over himself.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
So, just to clarify...
…you’ll give up baseball when the Cubs make the World Series or win the World Series?
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Here is a question...
while I realize he is not LH and not the best defensive OF, why isn’t manny an option fot eh Cubs now that the market has all but disappeared for him?
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It's a great question
I’d love to have him. One year deal, mind you. Two at the very most.
But I’d love to have him. He will still produce about 75 percent more runs than he gives up defensively.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
He is a big time addition...
I don’t think he wants a one year deal but I am saying even at a two year and an option for the third. The guy is a machine, and if the Cubs are considering Bradley, would Manny’s antics be worse?
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by Kinky Reggae on Dec 24, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
You don't get much looser in the clubhouse...
That’s for sure.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
because we simply can't afford him
remember all those talks about needing to shed payroll?
Manny’s asking for upwards of 20+ million a year
we barely have 13 to play with
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 24, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
The point was that the market for him
according to reports, has all but disappeared and unless he is actually going to retire, he may have to settle so perhaps playing for a team that has great potential and history (kind of like the Red Sox), might influence his decision. Upwards of 20 may never happen now that the Yankees signed Tex.
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by Kinky Reggae on Dec 24, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
i don't think its disappeared to 13 million a year
i think its disappeared from 25 down to 20
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 25, 2008 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
Manny is never going to happen
Why even engage in the debate.
You can debate
I just suggested a topic for discussion.
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by Kinky Reggae on Dec 24, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
outfield
sure would love to have manny.imagine not 1 but 2 guys named ramirez in that lineup.what a fantasy.im ready to accept dunn over bradley but i doubt that will happen either.
any guy
who thinks he’s more important than the game does not deserve a spot on our team. Faking injury to “make a point,” no matter how talented the individual, reeks of stink in my book.
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Soriano...
with Teixeira setting the new standard for free agent superstars, doesn’t that make Soriano look like a bargain with 6 years left on his $135 million contract? MEANING: is he now tradeable?
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sup
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