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Phil Sheridan: Yankees do harm to sports

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/phil_sheridan/20081224_Phil_Sheridan__Yankees_do_harm_to_sports.html

Fellow BCB'ers, here is a link to a  well written article by a writer in Philly.  I cannot help but agree with Mr. Sheridan that parts of MLB are out of control.  Believe it or not, I actually appreciate that Hendry and our Cubs are showing some fiscal restraint.  I also appreciate that two teams in smaller markets with limited payrolls were able to make it to the "promised land" last year.  Living in philly, I have watched the Phils act fiscally responsible for the last several years all the while building a baseball champion.  It is quite bothersome, in today's economy with the unemployement rate catapulting toward 10%, to watch these players get these salaries.  I commend Ryan Dempster as well for not selling his soul by squeezing every last dollar from the fan's.  On this Merry Christmas eve, I wish you all health, happiness and hopefully a little prosperity.  More importantly, may Santa bring us a World Championship...without having to buy it.  Lastly, I wish Bud Selig a cup of coffee...Bud, wake up and smell the coffee!  Your fans are financially hurting while your employees  have not a hint of what is happening to our economy. 

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Stupid article

Bud Selig could nullify each and every contract and set a maximum of $50,000 per position player and $100,000 per pitcher.

NONE of that money would go to a single laid off auto worker, senior citizen trying to buy meds, underpaid teacher in a rotting school or to anyone else besides the owners.

Tom Cruise makes $25 million a picture. Most movies take about a baseball season to film.

Where is Sheridan on that?

Shut up, you hack. And when you’re done, put your fist through your computer monitor. The smoking husk will produce as much intelligent thought as you have.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Dec 24, 2008 12:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

So, I take it you're not a big fan of Sheridan?

lol…

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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 24, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not really :)

I just think this is a lazy column espousing a lazy point of view.

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Dec 24, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, you are way to angry

The point is that every other sport has a salary cap. There is a reason for that, so as to promote equity in the sport.
By the way, this site is here to promote articulate debate and discussion not for ignorant people to respond such as you have.

by thisisitflyfishing on Dec 24, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Another lazy point of view

Save the etiquette lessons, it’s really tired and you aren’t going to change anything. The response may be more forceful than you or I would use, but there’s plenty of truth. It IS a lazy column that complains about a system that will most certainly not be changed in the near future. Baseball isn’t getting a salary cap anymore than you’ll revolutionize the internet with your rebukes.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Dec 24, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NFL players

Routinely receive $10 million bonuses, or even more. I think Peyton Manning’s was $30 million.

Think of the children that could have been fed!

The worst beer I had was pretty good.

by Worf on Dec 24, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you Worf.

this is just another whiny, jealous writer spewing his socialistic views. Little wonder newspapers are dying. The column isn’t close to being well written or factual, just his feelings. Hey Sheridan, next time research your subject matter before writing this kind of slop.

by cubswin on Dec 24, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're Right

None of the money being dished out to these players would be going elsewhere if not into their pockets.

However, I think the point of the article, biased and subjective as it may be, is to point out the notion of the totally egregious and morally decrepit values upon which our country is run.

Were the Yankees going to turn a profound profit in 2009 even if they didn’t land Teixeira? Yes, they would have. Could they have, conceivably anyways, given some of the money spent on their new 1B to people who are in desperate need of it? They certainly could.

This is the point of Sheridan. Even with things looking as grim as they do, men are being paid an obscene amount of cash as individuals, while men en masse are struggling to keep jobs, and ultimately their homes. Is this the Yankees problem? Of course it isn’t, the Yankees are entertainers, not a government, or a charity. At the same time, one would hope that in the face of economic hardships, that those who have would do something to try to benefit those whom have not.

It’s contracts like this, and corporate behavior like this, that gives much credence to the fear that things are going to get drastically worse before they begin to get better.

You mention movie stars as being in the same boat, and you’d be correct in your correlation. The only real difference is their contracts are not reported one the nightly news.

Also, if a film takes six months to film, it is a result of one of the following: disastrous conditions, terrible management, and/or the production of an epic with or without numerous locations spanning not only states but countries. Most films take between 60-90 shooting days to actually film, depending on the project of course. Summer and Christmas blockbusters may reach like 120, but those are few and far between by comparison. This is certainly not incredibly important information, it just kind of irked me to read that.

by WittyUserName on Dec 24, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

only thing that will stop this is

fans not showing up at games and refusing to subsidize new stadiums. that being said, they need a salary cap in baseball. they big market teams tend to dominate, while the Tampa’s and Florida’s make a playoff appearance every 8 years after stocking up on top 5 draft picks….

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by CubFaninCA on Dec 24, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Didnt even read it, but disagree

The Yankees 09 payroll is smaller than 08, they paid more in luxury tax last year than the Marlins entire payroll. Which, to me, means that the Marlins are just as culpable for not spending as the Yankees may be for over spending.

I think its good for baseball overall, that the Yankees are the Yankees, just as its good for football that the Cowboys are the Cowboys etc etc.

It is an odd thing in sports that people wish to limit how much a person can earn, they are in the entertainment business, we cant forget that, so they are paid exorbitantly as all entertainers are.

There is plenty of parity in baseball, one need look no further than the winners of the world series this decade. The Padres have been competitive, as have the Rockies, as have the Phillies, Marlins, Mets, Dbacks, A’s, Brewers, Tigers and so on.

If youre going to blame NY for spending, you can blame many owners for not spending….The players are gonna get paid regardless, at least the Steins arent pocketing all their revenue, they put it back into the field.

This argument is nothing short of pure Yankee hating; this huge spending wont even result in a title this year, I think Mr. Sheridan is overreacting and trying to fill up column space on Christmas Eve

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 24, 2008 1:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Furthermore, complaining about how rich people spend their money is no way to spend the holidays. Point being, a Ferrari can crash into a tree just as easily as a Yugo, only it’s more fun to stand back and laugh at the owner of the obscenely expensive sled.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Dec 24, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

That’s a great analogy.

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by RynoHoF on Dec 24, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Marlins have done far more damage to baseball

They have taken what should have been a no-brainer market and killed it.

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by Worf on Dec 24, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A no-brainer market?

Why? Just because there are a lot of Latinos there? In fact, I don’t think Miami is a very good baseball market at all.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 24, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It had potential

Partially b/c of the large Cuban population, which is a baseball mad country, it has nice weather and presumably, after hosting S.T. for decades, was ready for the transition to full time baseball.

For whatever reason its failing, I think b/c every time they win, they immediately blow up the team; their trapped in a crappy stadium, it might be too touristy and not have any stable fan base. But when they win, people come out….so it has show the capability to support a team, and Im sure the Rays will be well supported from the jump this year.

I think we’re gonna see one of the FL teams moves at some point in the future, I think Portland, OR would be a good spot, as the Western Divisions are pretty small.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 24, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The stadium and location have a lot to do with it.

Having been there for the 2003 NLCS, it’s a bad baseball park in a very out-of-the-way location. Sightlines are poor and there are tens of thousands of bad seats.

If they do get their new park built, that’ll help, especially the retractable roof. It rains almost every day in the summer — never enough for rainouts, but enough so that a lot of games get delayed, and people don’t really like that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 24, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Portland???

Only if that Microsoft guy who owns the Blazers gets involved. Otherwise, it’s too small a market.

Charlotte, Indianapolis and Memphis/Nashville currently have two sports teams and Charlotte is still (I think) one of the faster-growing cities out there.

Truth be told, a third NY team would probably do better than most other choices.

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by Worf on Dec 24, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NYC had three teams for decades...

… and the population of 20 million could easily support a third team (New Jersey would be the best location).

The problem is the hundreds of millions that a new franchise (or moved one) would have to pay the Steinbrenners and Wilpons for territorial infringement.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 24, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That, and the loyally entrenched fanbases in that area

would seemingly make it difficult for a new or moved team to establish itself. The Yanks and Mets share North Jersey, and South Jersey is big Phillies country. I agree that from a population and economic means perspective, the NY area is probably a good choice.

Being from NC, I’d love to see Charlotte get a team. I know many people there have wanted one for a long time. Most folks in that area are Braves fans, although due to WGN there are a noticable amount of Cubs fans. But no one really had a problem dropping the Skins or Falcons to follow the Panthers when they came to town.

by philadelphiacub on Dec 24, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You have to project outwards at a cities growth

Portland is an up and coming area, affluent and well educated, and with some realignment, you could have a nice Portland-Seattle-Oakland thing going on….Charlotte isnt a great pro sports market.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 24, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't read the article,

but living in Philly, Sheridan’s articles are usually skipable due to the absence of sound reason invovled.

by philadelphiacub on Dec 24, 2008 1:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Verducci's take

Linkage

Are the Yankees bad for baseball?
I think it’s more a problem of perception than reality. This is a year the Yankees had $88 million coming off the payroll. They’re going to add Andy Pettitte or someone else for $10 million to be their No. 5 starter. It just looks bad, especially in this economy, but when you break it down it’s business as usual for the Yankees.
It’s a good thing for baseball if the Yankees have to play the Darth Vader of baseball. It’s good for the sport to have that real goliath out there that everybody wants to knock out. In 2006 they had five of the nine highest-paid players on the same team and they got knocked out in the first round by the Tigers. It’s easy for everybody to hate them in terms of what they have in resources, but it puts enormous pressure on those players. They’re the only team that reports to spring training with the mandate of getting to the World Series. There’s enormous pressure and it can be a joyless ride when it’s World Series or bust. The newer players will have to live with that. Their profile says they should be OK with that kind of pressure but the fact is there are going to be those expectations.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 24, 2008 1:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well said.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 24, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If you look at it as simply respending what was coming off the books...

Then it is business as usual, so I dont see what the fuss is, if anything its creates a host of new problems for the Yankees.

1-What do they do with DJ when his contract is up, now that first base is occupied for the next 8 years, as well as third for the next 10….where do they put DJ when he can no longer play SS-which maybe sooner than later

2-They need to move Matsui or Swisher and will have to take a sub standard deal if they want someone to take on their entire contracts

3-When CC and AJ get hurt, they have little to no pitching coverage; Hughes and Kennedy havent shown any reason to think they can be counted on in the long run.

4-Their OF defense is terrible and probably worse than a Soriano Dunn corner tandum.

I also think its awesome they beat out Boston over a mere 1.5M or so per year for a guy Boston arguably needed more.

Imagine what will happen when they trade Godzilla to SF and sign Manny

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 24, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why don't the Giants just sign Manny?

He’s a perfect fit there. They need a bigtime hitter, they need someone with star power, and their fans would LOVE to stick it to the Dodgers by signing him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 24, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

But if they tell the Yanks they’ll take on all of Matsuis salary, perhaps they can get him for a lefty reliever-so it would be cheaper than giving Manny 50M dollars or whatever he expects; they signed Affeldt, so one can assume they have one to “spare”

Plus the large Japanese-American fan base would probably like Godzilla better; he plays hard (when healthy) and wouldnt quit like Manny

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 24, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem, of course, is whether Matsui can still play the field.

The Giants can’t use a DH.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 24, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You could say the same about Milton Bradley

But I think we’re on the same page on that one

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 24, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree re the Yankees = Darth Vader

I lived in NYC during parts of the 70s and 80s when Steinbrenner Sr. was totally out of control. It was easy for the baseball world to hate him and his antics. Joe Torre, a true gentleman, changed this for me. I certainly didn’t root for the Yankees during his tenure but it was hard for me to root against a team under his even-handed guidence.

Now Joe’s gone (replaced, sadly, by another man that I like, but who hasn’t earned his stripes to such a degree as his mentor) and the kids are in charge. It’s becoming easy to hate the Yankees again and this is good, in a perverse way, for baseball.

We need signs next season at Wrigly that say “Free Joe Girardi”. . .

by leothelip on Dec 24, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually was sympathetic towards them

After hearing all the crap in the 90s how the Bulls should let someone else win the NBA and how unfair it was I got sympathy for the Yankees and their fans.

Barbara V. October 14, 1941 - December 19, 2008. A great lady who was a friend to all and like a second mom to her children's friends (she was my best friend's mom)

by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 26, 2008 7:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

I didn’t realize it was $88 million that was coming off; I guess this makes the spending a bit more reasonable (by Yankees standards) I guess.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Dec 24, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Girardi...

I wonder if these signings have any implications for Girardi’s long term status as the Yankee’s skipper? I’ll be curious to see how he’ll manage with even more highly paid superstars and egos on the club. If they don’t get off to a good start, could we see Joe get the boot?

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Dec 24, 2008 2:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I definitely think that could happen.

Consider that in his first year, the Yankees miss the playoffs for the first time in 13 years.

Think they’re regretting not keeping Joe Torre around?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 24, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Add to that...

That the Dodgers make the playoffs with Torre and win their first playoff series since ‘88, that’s gotta add some sting to it.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Dec 24, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely.

Girardi has to be on the hot seat.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 24, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind that the Yankees are spending money,

after all they are a business that has received their revenue like any other team could (well, you get the idea). What I DONT like is that teams are giving away inflated contracts to players that are not as good as their contract would live up to. Personally, I think Tex is NOT that good. He’s a great bat to have in the lineup but costs way to much. When Pujols’s contract expires, no clue how much he is going to earn..

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by Chanman25 on Dec 24, 2008 4:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He'll be the first $300 million guy

Unless he takes the hometown discount. In which case… $200 million.

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by Worf on Dec 24, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tex's signing may be the worst thing for Pujols' free agency...

…because it will more than likely eliminate the Yankees from the bidding. I can’t see his price going that high without the Yanks involved.

"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields

by calicubfan on Dec 25, 2008 11:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

His contract seems about right to me.

Using some projections, Tom Tango came up with a contract value of 8/153 for Teixiera. Conceeding that it’s very possible that the Yankees could do a better job of calculating Teixiera’s value than what Tom was able to cobble together in about five minutes (I’ve done the figuring that he’s done before for other contracts and it really is that simple) and I wouldn’t sweat the difference between that and what he inked for.

by cwyers on Dec 24, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think tat there is a luxury tax to address this.

Otherwise I do not care how much the yankees spend. The Yankees must believe that their revenues and/or the owner’s bankroll will support this level of spending. I have not bothered to read the Sheridan article so I cannot comment on it.

In general, supply and demand has the greatest influence on salaries and wages. For whatever reason there was little complaint when the union autoworkers made money working on ridiculously priced and arguably unnecessary SUVs, but there was a demand for those stupid vehicles not too long ago when gas was cheap AND when this entire country supported a policy of free money for everyone via B.S. loan and re-finance fraud. Now I see that American automakers have figured out something that the real estate industry figured out a year ago—not only can most people not afford inflated prices built up by speculation and loan fraud for their homes, but they also cannot afford 35-50 grand for a B.S. gas guzzling, polluting tank.

The team that spends the most money doesn’t always win, just like the auto company that pays the highest wages and benefits to its workers does NOT make the best vehicles (or even sell the most anymore). The Yankees may have paid a ridiculous amount of money to ensure a 3rd place finish in their own division, at the same time they will pay more in tax and the owners in KC and Pittsburgh will likely bank that cash.

by DudeVf11 on Dec 24, 2008 5:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I actually had someone seriously suggest to me everyone should make the same money whether they be chief neurosurgeon the best in the world or a secretary.

I told them next time they need major brain surgery go to the nearest office and have the secretary do it.

What also bugs me is we hear people whing 100 times more about athlete’s salaries than those of movie stars etc.

Barbara V. October 14, 1941 - December 19, 2008. A great lady who was a friend to all and like a second mom to her children's friends (she was my best friend's mom)

by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 26, 2008 7:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jees, that sounds ....

just a little like Socialism.

You’re totally right though, who has it easier, actors or athletes?

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 30, 2008 10:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The luxury tax is a "sin" tax...

…sort of. It’s not revenue sharing. All the higher earning teams, including the Cubs BTW who I believe share 30-35% of their gross revenue, put money in the kitty. It’s the piss-poor teams like Pgh, KC, Fla that take this revenue sharing money and pocket it.

MLB has to install a salary “sill” as well as a cap as long as the Rev-sharing system is in place. The NFL and NHL do it, so should MLB.

On the car thing, all auto makers – but the American 3 were most notorious for it – all put out those big gas-guzzling SUV’s because their MARGIN was huge. The one thing no one talks about with the American auto makers is their supply chain management via the common platform. They do this HORRIBLY. Toyota does it well, very well. Couple that with no UAW and there’s a winning combination.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 30, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yanks

anyone remeber when bowie kuhn vetoed tha sale of joe rudi and i believe either vida blue or rollie fingers to the red sox because it was bad for baseball???times sure have changed.

by NOMAR on Dec 25, 2008 11:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Whenever

Whenever I read a moron say “Baseball players make 10 million teachers only make 50,000 argument” I want to kick them in the balls.

There is no connection. Teachers sometimes are underpaid yes. (IN the suburbs they are overpaid cities underpaid) but it has no connection to how much baseball players made. If anything the taxes they pay help pay teacher’s salaries.

It’s simply the law of supply and demand. A lot more people can teach than can hit a baseball 400 feet.

Aramis Ramirez can give up baseball and go to school and become a teacher.

A teacher can not give up teaching become a baseball player and hit 30 homeruns.

Barbara V. October 14, 1941 - December 19, 2008. A great lady who was a friend to all and like a second mom to her children's friends (she was my best friend's mom)

by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 26, 2008 7:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

As much as I want to....

…hate the Yankees or as I call them, the evil empire, in reference to Ronald Reagan’s use of the team regarding the then USSR, they are playing within the confines of the current rules set.

What I’d like to see the next time the labor-related “stuff” hits the fan, is at least call it what it is: Small market owners vs Big market owners. It’s not players vs owners.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 30, 2008 10:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

What does this bozo Sheridan expect the Yankees to do, not spend their money on player

salaries? I’m sure the Stienbrenners would be happy to pocket the 100 million or so he wants the Yankees to not spend to keep everything equal. Is this guy nuts? If I were a Yankee fan, I would demand that the team spend the proportionate amount of money on player salaries and not pocket the cash like they do in Miami.

I guess Sheridan expects the peanut vendors to get all of the extra dough. Surely that is why they pack the stadium, to see those guys toss around nuts. What a moron.

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