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Denver baseball writer Tracy Ringolsby posted today about the Rockies' interest in Jason Marquis. Sounds like the interest is serious, and Ringolsby points out:

Marquis also has shown in limited exposure he can handle the challenges of Coors Field. He has only five career appearances at altitude but is 3-0 with a 2.51 ERA at Coors Field.

The 30-year-old right-hander also is an offensive factor. He is a career .231 hitter in 29 pinch-hit appearances.

Our SBN Rockies site chimes in with some analysis, including the idea (which some of us have discussed, and which seems reasonable) that the Cubs might eat half the contract, and further:

A Marquis for David Patton and cash considerations trade makes some sense, for instance, since Patton's already on Chicago's roster after the Rule 5 draft and there's already some risk of the Rockies losing him, but he would have to clear waivers before that could happen.

Sounds good to me, and maybe that's one reason the Cubs took Patton. Discuss.

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So if Marquis goes...

do we take a chance on the Unit to man the 5th starter’s slot? Or do you just pencil Marshall in right away? I’m personally in favor of signing him, I think the team could use a nasty veteran like that. Plus, Marshall becomes your insurance plan rather than your Plan A. If Randy does get hurt, he’s only on the payroll for one year at a reasonable rate, so life goes on.

Ron Santo should sing TMOTTBG everyday. Period.

by Schwa on Dec 26, 2008 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

David Patton is already on the Cubs 40 man roster

I don’t understand how the Rockies “risk losing him” if he is already gone and why/how we would trade for a guy already on the roster.

"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella

by El Borto on Dec 26, 2008 4:07 PM CST reply actions  

Because

as a Rule V draftee, if he doesn’t hang with the Cubs 25 man all year, we have to give the Rockies the option to get him back.

That said, unless the Rockies are picking up all of Marquis’ salary, I think we can do better. If we pick up $3 mill or so, I see no reason in this market why we couldn’t get a B prospect for Marquis.

Also, why do they cite his pinch hitter stats in that article? He’s a pitcher in the NL. He has plenty of other hitting to cite.

by Brett Taylor on Dec 26, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I think they cited the PH stats...

… to show that he could be used in that way, as Lou has done, and as TLR did in his St. Louis days.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 26, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I kinda like Marquis...

He can pinch run, hit as a pitcher, and pitch every 5th day (and hasn’t been half bad this past season or 2).

by GoCubbies34 on Dec 26, 2008 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

Seems like

this is about the best they can get… Just can’t imagine one of the New York teams taking him…

So if they move Marquis and eat half the contract that gives Hendry $17-18 million to spend???

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 26, 2008 4:38 PM CST reply actions  

Keep Marquis

If the Cubs move Marquis then that means they have to include a lot of money in the deal AND have to go out into the marketplace to find another starter. There is little chance Sean Marshall is being looked at as the replacement to Marquis.

I don’t get it. Again, Marquis is a guy with one year left on his deal who takes the ball every 5th day and provides reliable innings. Why sacrifice that? Plus a Randy Johnson is going to cost at least $6 million.

by BLou on Dec 26, 2008 4:57 PM CST reply actions  

I like Marquis as a fifth starter, too.

But clearly, if they are trying to move him, it’s to clear payroll room for someone. Maybe Adam Dunn?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 26, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Marshall or Gaudin can give the Cubs

similar production at a cheaper rate… They’ll have more money for a bat and Peavy..

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 26, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt it'd be BOTH a bat and Peavy.

One or the other, and more likely a bat.

I forgot about Gaudin. He did throw almost 200 innings as a starter for the A’s in 2007.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 26, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Am guessing they'll have to deal DeRosa

to get both…I’m really hoping they get Dunn…

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 26, 2008 5:14 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't be in favor of that.

But I agree with you — if they are going the FA route for RF, I want Dunn.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 26, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you think that Harden

will be a Cub after 2009?? I like the idea of Peavy as insurance after 2009…

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 26, 2008 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Harden will be a Cub after 2009, yes.

Plus, I’m not too worried about 2010 and after right now. Let’s take care of one year at a time.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 26, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

If rumors are right

and Dunn really wants to be a Cub, maybe he would do a backloaded contract which pays him big after Lilly & Lee are gone in 2010 and Fukudome’s gone in 2011… Then they’d be able to afford more than just a OF this offseason..

As for Harden, hopefully you’re right, but I’m worried one of the big market teams could offer him a ridiculous amount of money…

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 26, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Dunn

With the Orioles missing out of Teixeira rumors are that they’ll pursue Dunn pretty aggressively.

by dmlichte on Dec 26, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Dunn would be a good fit there.

I hope he comes to the Cubs instead.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 26, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope so, too

But I only see it happening if Bradley signs elsewhere first.

by elgato on Dec 27, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Shoud this even be a debate?

No brainer, take whatever you can get for him b/c theres little chance they’d resign him anyway.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 26, 2008 6:27 PM CST reply actions  

KEEP MARQUIS IF POSSIBLE

So Marquis goes to where ever …Who is going to be # 5 starter ?? And will they have enough $$$ to get DUNN ??

by cubs north on Dec 26, 2008 7:34 PM CST reply actions  

I'm down

for getting rid of Marquis at almost all costs.

And all this talk of Adam Dunn is just silly to me. I live in Ohio and my peeps who are Reds fans would all be glad if the Cubs picked him up. He’s one of those guys who either strikes out or hits a HR. He’s an average fielder at best, he has no speed. He should go to the AL and DH, that’s all he’s good for.

I’d much rather see Milton Bradley in Cubbie Blue.

But yeah, back to the topic at hand. Marquis needs to go. He’s alright as a fifth starter, and he did much better in the second half of ‘08 than the previous two years, but I’m not a fan of his at all.

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by The Original Dave on Dec 26, 2008 8:39 PM CST reply actions  

Bradley is also a DH

lest you forget

as for the fifth starters; since Lou gets what Lou wants, 2 lefties, it could be Marshall

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 26, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Dunn..

.. doesn’t just “strike out or hit a HR”. Have you not noticed the 100+ walks he draws a year?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 27, 2008 3:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Has no speed

I notice he didn’t run in 2008, but he stole 9 bases in 2007, which would have been fourth best on the Cubs this year. But anyway, I wouldn’t expect speed in a 40-HR slugger.

Still, I don’t think Dunn is realistic for the Cubs. Too expensive, and not a right fielder – and I don’t think Soriano gets moved over either. Dunn would be the Cubs’ top target if either Lee or Soriano was being traded – but I don’t see that happening either.

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Dec 27, 2008 4:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Let Marquis go,could use Johnson more!

The Big Unit would would transform our starters into legitimate tough guys that
would intimidate the rest of the league and become the most feared staff in baseball.
Sure,he’s not what he used to be,but his mannerism and presence would rub off
on the other guys,which is what they need.
Then we go get Dunn!

by kenb67 on Dec 26, 2008 8:47 PM CST reply actions  

I fail to see good reasons for letting Marquis go in this thread

1) Payroll Issues - If the Cubs had to let Kerry Wood go for a $20.5 million, two-year contract, how in the world are they in a position to eat any more contract unless they are in the position to really get some one so essential to the club that’s going to fill a gaping hole? If money is that big an issue, then cutting Marquis loose and letting us pay him makes absolutely no sense whatsoever .. and no one mentioned here (from Dunn to Peavy and especially Milton Headcase Bradley) is really worth that much.

2) Newsflash: The Cubs HAVE A Good Staff – Randy Johnson’s presence in the rotation won’t make Zambrano, Lilly, Gaudin or Dempster any more “legitimate tough guys” then they already are. 6 million to toughen the Cubs for one year is a joke. However, Gaudin, as good as he might be, is another trainer’s bread and butter case in the rotation. Did anyone forget how much nursing Gaudin needed to get through just 1/2 of a season .. or his past? And Marshall, who is on the verge of what I think could be a breakout year for him, still is the unknown X factor here. Will he be a legitimate 5th starter or a Rich Hardenesque flame out? We’re going to need him in Spring training, especially if Harden somehow makes it back there.

3) We Have A Center Fielder And Reed Johnson Is His Name-O – I don’t think he was signed to platoon. He’ll be given a shot at getting the job this spring and I believe he’ll be the man to earn it. Pie is trade bait since Joey Gathright was signed. And Gathright, of all three, is the second best man. If Kosuke, God bless him, struggles again with consistency then Gathright should be considered for RF since according to Hendry, he can play all three positions. So the need for elaborate trade deals and exotic financing for getting an Adam Dunn or a Milton Bradley is moot – the Cubs should tinker with what they have if their money problems are that tight and bloom what they planted.

Now that the Cubs stupidly let

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Dec 26, 2008 11:04 PM CST reply actions  

The problem with Reed Johnson is...

… he doesn’t hit RHP very well. Against LHP he hits .313/.376/.460, against RHP .268/.327/.385. That’s a significant difference, particularly in power stats.

You’re not really serious when you suggest Gathright for a starter in RF, are you? He shouldn’t be starting at all.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 27, 2008 3:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Rich Harden flamed out?

perhaps you mean Rich Hill?

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by El Borto on Dec 27, 2008 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

KEEP BIG UNIT ON WEST COAST

Cubs do not need Randy Johnson ….If they choose to keep Marquis and the rest of the rotation stays healthy they should be all set …I thought Johnson was about to ink a deal with the Giants …..And yes let give REED JOHNSON a chance to show what he can do….

by cubs north on Dec 26, 2008 11:33 PM CST reply actions  

Randy is gone.......

A Giant……….. I trust Henry on passing on him…….. would like Dunn but rather have Bradley and maybe a multi position gamer like DeRosa. Bako would be fine too as the backup with his LH bat….

by James031 on Dec 27, 2008 1:59 AM CST reply actions  

marquis

a shame we have to give marquis and his 11 wins away for nothing.i know he,s not very consistent but is usually good for 11 to 15 wins.you,ll never see that out of marshall.remember hardin is always an injury risk and zambrano is showing signs of wear and tear.dempster???dont see another 17 wins coming our way.and the worst part.we have to pay half his salary.thats just sick.

by NOMAR on Dec 27, 2008 5:14 AM CST reply actions  

With Texeira setting a new free agent standard...

…it makes Soriano’s remaining 6 years of his $135 million contract look like a bargain. Can he be traded now? Probably good for 30HR, 100 RBI if batted loer in some other club’s lineup.

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Dec 27, 2008 7:31 AM CST reply actions  

Tracy Ringolsby

is the Phil Rogers of the mountain west.

take that for what it’s worth.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Dec 27, 2008 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

ive said since the beginning

marquis sucks. get a bag of baseballs for him for all i care. or let him get hit by a train. id like that.

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by gravedigger on Dec 27, 2008 9:06 PM CST reply actions  

Getting hit by a train...

… a little much, isn’t it?

As I’ve said many times: Marquis did exactly the job he was asked to, be a 5th starter and eat up innings. There wasn’t a 5th starter in baseball who did this job better.

I suspect the Cubs can do better than a bag of baseballs, even if they have to eat the contract.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 28, 2008 4:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Honestly,

I don’t think people have a problem with Marquis, they have a problem with his contract. it’s the A-Rod principle – it doesn’t matter what happens on the field, earning that contract is just unreachable.

Anyways, if all they get is a bag of baseballs, I hope it’s a bag of curveballs. And make them throw in the keys to the batter’s box, too.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Dec 28, 2008 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

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