Marquis to Rockies ?
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 30, 2008 4:56 PM CST
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According to ESPN's Steve Phillips, the Cubs and Rockies are close to a swap of starter Jason Marquis for reliever Luis Vizcaino (saw it scroll across the screen on ESPN2). Marquis is set to earn $9.875MM in '09, while Vizcaino will make $3.5MM plus a $4MM option for 2010 with a $500K buyout.
If true and we are not adding more money this would be a god deal.
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beat me to this post
at least we get something of value for Marquis. hopefully this frees up enough $$ to sign a FA OF.
Sorry for the redundacy
You beat my post by a minute.
Well....
…. if there’s no additional money exchanged, the Cubs freed up $6m for 2009. I assume they’d exercise the buyout for 2010, as that payroll is already huge.
Not a bad move… Vizcaino is a serviceable middle reliever who had decent years in the NL, and also for the 2005 WS champion White Sox.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
"Serviceable" is a serviceable word...
Vizcaino’s a 34 year old pitcher, who’s stats have been on a sharp decline the last few years. Vizcaino was a very “serviceable” pitcher back in December of 2004 when the Sox acquired him. Certain people mocked the Sox for making that trade, a trade that certainly helped the Sox win the 99 games and go 11-1 in the post-season, BTW. Then the Sox traded Vizcaino (and Chris Young) to get a “serviceable” pitcher in return.
A lot of people have mocked your "serviceable pitcher in return", too.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Pound for pound...
… many Cubbie fans bitterly criticize every move the Sox make but are quite “pollyannish” about Cubbie moves.
The Sox got 3 years and over 600 “serviceable” innings from Javy Vazquez. Many Sox fans, including me, got tired of Javy completely flopping in “big games” (he was terrible in his last six starts in ’08). The Sox traded Chris Young. That trade probably stings more to Cubbie fans than to me considering how he helped pound the Cubbies in that ’07 NLDS sweep.
-100 for posting the .gif
Egregious and obnoxious.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
Or maybe Chad Gaudin.
Or maybe someone else we don’t know about yet.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Are the Mets still in the Jason running?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
I'm sure there will be a battle
between Guzman,marshall,shark, and others
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
Guzman's probably not in the running...
…because of his injury history. Hard to believe Samardzija has a shot, but so I’ve heard.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
If he can pitch, he's in the running
Worse comes to worse he’s sent down to Iowa. But he’ll be given a shot. The Cubs have invested too much in him not to
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Disagree.
If he can pitch, he’ll be in the bullpen with an outside shot of being the next Carlos Marmol. He doesn’t have anymore chance of being starter again than Kerry Wood has.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
The competition will be Gaudin versus Samardz unless Hill has a miraculous ONEDEC and we then call it a LLIH
Marshall is a left handed arm still needed in the pen unless the Cubs suddenly find a true LOOGY.
OR
unless the Cubs engineer a bargain for a genuine top of the order pitcher
OR
sign Pettit
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Agree and disagree.
For better or worse, Neal Cotts was re-signed to be the token lefty out of the pen. He’s not, however, a LOOGY. (Check out his splits.) Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cubs weren’t even thinking LOOGY because Lou never seems to use one in situations that warrant it.
Assuming the Marquis trade goes through, Marshall will be first in line for the fifth spot in the rotation IMHO. Gaudin and Samardzija have outside shots at outcompeting Sean in spring training, but I believe one would have to really blow away Lou to get the job. And I don’t think either one will.
Yes, absolutely, if Peavy somehow resurfaces like the Great White Whale that he is and Captain Ah(endry)ab is able to harpoon his prey, Marshall will go back to the pen as swing man. Signing Andy Petite is an interesting idea, but I’ve neither heard nor read word one about such a move.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
my guess
I imagine we are going to be eating some more money. Keep in mind that no team was really willing to take on Marquis a couple weeks back in the Peavy discussions, at least, according to rumors. I mean, some rumors had us eating 5-6 million dollars. Wouldn’t surprise me if we end up eating 3-4 more million, leading to us perhaps saving 2-3 mil.
Trading Marquis was never an absolute necessity, but was something to look at if we needed to save money somewhere. We do have some internal 5th starter options. Although it seems like the leadership prefers Marshall in the pen, they may revisit that. That said, Gaudin could be a thought. Samardzija may get worked into the mix, with Vizcaino as an arm in the pen. To be honest, the idea of Vizcaino/Gregg in the 7th/8th roles has me a bit shaky, not that Shark was a guarantee to be solid. Of course, if Guzman is solid, then maybe the answer is Angel.
The bigger question is what we are saving money for. Is there a surprise trade coming, or is this simply clearing room for Milton Bradley (perhaps the earlier rumors of a 145 million payroll perhaps too high)?
Anyhow, January is setting up to be an interesting month. It’s also possible that there will still be a decent amount of 2nd tier FA’s on the market come ST, at least, perhaps moreso than in recent years.
Jeff Spellcheck, at this stage at least, is not an option for the bullpen
The Shark doesn’t have the pitching repetoire. And people are starting to be guilty of “jumping the shark” with this guy. I’m not even sold on him being an effective set-up man yet.
Well....
The Shark may compete for a spot in the starting rotation in spring training but I’ll bet the ranch he doesn’t win a spot. Not with his limited pitching repetoire of current. I would think if there is a spot opened up and Hendry does not acquire anybody else then almost by default Sean Marshall is the guy. And I do not like that. Not at all. Marshall is going to prove a measureable downgrade over Jason Marquis.
I hope this trade rumor goes away. I don’t want Vizcaino clogging up a bullpen spot on top of my misgivings about trading away Marquis with no suitable starting pitcher replacement.
But we have Rich Harden...the slayer of lineups!
What difference does it make who the 5th starter is? If Kevin Tapani comes out of retirement and takes the 5th spot we’ll still be okay! WE HAVE POWER PITCHING.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 30, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget Jake Peavy
It will be a Christmas/Holiday Miracle
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
A measurable downgrade?
I’m not so sure about that. I think they’d be about the same. Maybe Marquis is a tick better, but overall performance wise, I think they can produce the same … provided that Marshall has the stamina.
Really a side note, but one of my concerns with Marshall is that, well, his velo doesn’t change much. His fastball sits in the upper 80’s and his curve is in the low 70’s. That said, his change, cutter, and slider all sit in the mid 80 range.
Anyhow, I have my doubts that the FO is willing to slide Marshall to the rotation, because that would necessitate adding another lefty pen arm from somewhere (personally, I’d prefer 2, as I don’t much care for Neal Cotts, nothing personal to his family and friends).
Hmmm...
I agree with Marshall, he does kind of seem like Ted Lilly light. We definitely can not pitch both of the two in the same series can we?
if Marshall is the 5th starter
come playoff time, barring an injury, he’d probably be shifted to the pen (assuming we get to the playoffs that is).
BM is never surprised
he just edits his past to be the one who thought whatever changed was a good idea to begin with.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
At last....
were rid of jason marquis. I’ve never liked him at all whatsoever. that in itself is an addition by subtraction in my opinion. I just read somewhere that vizcaino picked up a dui in october. hopefully we dont have an alcoholic on our hands .
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
heres the source
http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=2858
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
If you post a Rotoworld link...
… please also go to the original source link, which is this Denver Post blog.
Also note that BOTH of those posts were made three weeks ago, on December 8.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
my link deal isnt working properly
I did, there were actually 2 links in that post and only one of them showed.
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
What's the other one?
I did see the MLBTR post that says it’s “close”, but has no other corroboration other than the crawl on ESPN2.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I was saying
I linked the denver post article too but it didnt work. I cant make link just one word either, when I click the chain thing it pops up 2 seperate reply boxes and its never did that b4. this site runs extremely slow sometimes for me.
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
ESPN Radio...
…had a quick sportscenter moment during one of the bowl games around 4:30 that said that Steve Phillips was the source for ESPN… didnt go into other details.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Dec 30, 2008 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Well, it hardly sounds like a done deal.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
Yea, but this isn't like the Teixeira nonsense where there was tons of crap flying around.
For a smaller deal like this there’s probably a lot of truth in whatever we’re hearing.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
you know, Marquis was a whipping boy,
but damnit I’m actually going to miss having him on this team. He was a great 5th starter to have. He didn’t suck but he wasn’t great plus you knew he’d give you tons of innings. If we had only gotten him for roughly 3 million per year, the deal would have been excellent. He gets a bad rap, not because of his fault, but because Hendry decided to give him a huge salary.
With that, I hope Sean Marshall gets the oppertunity to start.
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
It's not Marquis fault how much he got paid
He’s one of the best 5th starters in the game. If he’s no longer a Cub, he’ll get a big standing O from me.
Formerly NO100
by jerry morales rules on Dec 30, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
A DUI and an ERA over 5
Nice move Jimbo
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
The DUI thing is troubling...
the ERA over 5…no so much…he was on the ROCKIES.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 30, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
for some reason I thought he was a lefty, but since hes not
I think he couldve done better….Marquis is a great no 5….we shouldve been able to do better than a 34 year old reliever
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
well based on his splits last year, he was much better AT Coors
W L ERA G
Home Colorado Rockies 1 0 3.81 24
Away Colorado Rockies 0 2 7.20 19
vs LHB Colorado Rockies 1 2 8.66 40
vs RHB Colorado Rockies 1 1 3.18 40
Well, this is an eyebrow raiser..
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Howry pitched like he was drunk.
PUI?
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 30, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
funniest post all day. he did indeed!
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
I think David Wells had that mastered
wasnt he hung over, if not buzzed, when he threw his perfect game?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
he was ALWAYS buzzed
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
This should also free up space for LH bat, such as Dunn
and NO, we aren’t getting Peavy!
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
Aww, you're no fun
Let a guy (or many) dream!
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Don't like it
Jason Marquis takes the ball every 5th day and provides innings. And we are going to trade that certainty for what? Who is going to fill that critical spot in the rotation? And for the love of God please do not say Sean Friggin Marshall.
A bad move. Please don’t let it happen. Not unless Jim Hendry has a major league capable starting pitcher about to be acquired.
Jimbo knows ALL
Theo is of the best in Baseball.
but Jimbo has been the best Cubs GM ever!
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
wouldnt that be whoever was running the team 100 years ago?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
The myth of Marquis' innings-eatings on the Cubs
is the twin brother of the Theriot-does-the-little-things myth. I keep asking for evidence and never seem to get any.
When it comes to Jason, the problem is that Lou doesn’t trust him to eat the innings he could eat. Let him go ply his trade where he’ll be better appreciated. We’ll fill the 5th spot well enough.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
Sean Friggin Marshall
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
LOL
Once again, some random Cubs fan in Europe (me) knows about an imminent trade before any of the team’s beat writers. At least, I believe they don’t know about it yet – otherwise they are foolish to allow the national media and sites like MLBTR and BCB scoop them time and time again. Where are Miles, Sullivan and Gordo during the winter, when the national guys are covering the hot stove like …. like a giant frying pan (?)
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
Vacation, I suspect.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Sullivan, probably
but Miles and Wittenmyer eventually logged on to MLBTR or BCB and found out the news. They both posted something about three hours after Jessica. did.
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
Glad I re-read this one.
Initially I thought we were getting JOSE VIzcaino………..
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
when I saw the title of this post, I was thinking...
“…please don’t be Jose, please don’t be Jose…”
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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 30, 2008 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
lol
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
Luis Vizcaino is a much traveled rubber arm
What he gives a team out of the bullpen is lots of appearances and innings. Sometimes he does that in fine fashion (e.g., White Sox in 2005), but more often than not he get lit up like a pinball machine. Suffice to say I am not wild about him automatically gobbling up a bullpen spot that could otherwise go to an Angel Guzman.
If you assume 7 bullpen roles then that probably leaves….Marmol, Gregg, Spellcheck, Gaudin, Vizcaino, Cotts, Marshall (or another lefty). Once you get past Marmol and Gregg that is a cast of characters that is to me one big collective question mark.
Agreed...
Besides Marmol, who do you trust? Who fills Marmol’s role last year of that “go to” arm in the ‘pen? I haven’t seen enough of Gregg to know if he could successfully fill that spot.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 30, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully Guzman
Or maybe that Rule 5 pick….Marmol came out of nowhere as well
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
What about the shark?
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Vizcaino could be flipped
and more money saved.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
How does this make us better....
So far this offseason, we’ve saved a few dollars here and there, but how have we gotten better. Marquis isn’t great, but he’s a very solid #5 starter. He’s reliable, and never misses a start (unless he’s skipped lol).
Someday we'll go all the way...
well, that's better than i expected ...
not bad, i say … but everything is predicated on what’s next and where do the savings go
Linky
http://blogs.denverpost.com/rockies/2008/12/30/rox-agree-to-ship-vizcaino-to-cubs-for-marquis/
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 30, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
It's on the Cubs website too.
I should point out that BOTH of those links simply reference the ESPN report with no further info.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Do you think that
Hendry could possibly turn him for someone else or are we handing him a job for certain?
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
I definitely think Vizcaino could be flipped, if acquired.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Rotoworld thinks this will cause us to take a look at Lowe or Wolf
I wouldn’t mind pursuing Lowe, but Wolf on the other hand is pretty much equal to Marquis to me..
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
Sounds like pure speculation.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 30, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
may be wishful thinking, but
TCR has
-Marquis trade may not be competed until next week
-Deal for Bradley is essentially done but also won’t be announced for a week or two
-Moving Marquis means the Cubs may once again hit up the Padres about Peavy
-Hendry might try to spin Vizcaino if he does acquire him
-DeRosa may still need to be moved if they go after Peavy
Jake Peavy?
Sorry I had to use it again
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
Well, you really didn't HAVE to....
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by carmen_fanzone on Dec 30, 2008 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
true but
it is funny
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
It is.
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
This should free us up for Peavy AND Roberts!
yayayaya!
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
I don't see that, either.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
huh...couldn't hint the sarcasm?
especially the “yayayaya” part?
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
"Yayayaya" COULD have been serious.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
If you're the governor of California, maybe. :P
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Good deal
time to get an OF now.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
Lowe got a 3/36 offer from the Mets
That would be a great deal for any team getting him and wouldnt cost prospects, much better than giving up the farm to fill Marquis spot.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
im not sure what that means
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Must have had to much eggnog.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 30, 2008 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
answer
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070105093508AAlMyIP
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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 30, 2008 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
Look below...
sorry, I though I clicked on reply first. Must be the vino.
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
One more time,
It was supposed to be here. For sure.
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
Bradley is the clear target
I continue to believe that Adam Dunn is not even a remote consideration by Jim Hendry. Bradley is the guy he wants.
Ask and you shall recieve...
poof…
Yeah, I do too!!!
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 9:39 PM CST reply actions
I'm pretty sure that I might have read somewhere...
that the Cubs were going to get A-Rod. Is that true?
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 30, 2008 9:52 PM CST reply actions
And Jeter...
Theriot is moving to second and we are trading Ramirez for Cliff Lee.
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Why stop with A Rod, Jeter, Cliff Lee
Hell throw in Santa & the Easter Bunny
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
Fine..
They can have Pie, too.
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Throw in the carrot
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
And one of these..
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Flying Dog Brewery is located in Denver
Not giving Coors any comp.
Gotta love those Coors Commercials
So who do you think they were?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
No, Coach Green it is ok
The Flying Dog Brewery moved to Maryland.
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
ummmm.
isnt that what the picture….um nevermind…I will say no more!!
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on Dec 30, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Just got it...
lmao….
still….
lmao.
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry...
forgot the link
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 30, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
Never gonna give you up....
never gonna let you down….
Nice I like it.
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
That's the most amicable reaction to a rickroll that I've ever seen.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
I am ready foe this...
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 9:57 PM CST reply actions
Interesting
That game was against Los Angeles
I felt good for a second, Thanks!
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
That is the only game I have seen the Cubs win at wrigley.
Prior got the win and Demp got the save. It was the day after Hurricane Katrina.
I was in Chicago having a great time and everyone down here was eating S#*T.
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 10:04 PM CST reply actions
Great the White Sox were winning their game
I’m glad you enjoyed yourself at Wrigley
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
I always enjoy myself there..
but that was the only time they won. 1-5.
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 30, 2008 10:18 PM CST reply actions
Gordon Wittenmyer describes this as...
…clearing the way for aquiring Milton Bradley…He describes the Bradley situation as “a would-be deal delayed in part by payroll issues”. The thought of Bradley’s injuries and baggage scares the hell out of me.
Seeing how it’s such a buyers market for outfielders this year, I sure hope Hendry mulls this one over a bit more.
"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields
Milton Bradley is the best option for the Cubs
I have said for a few weeks that I believe Hendry is locked in on Bradley. I’m deeply troubled by Bradley’s sordid past and violent demeanor, but of all the apparent options out there he is the best. So I would think our lineup might look like the following….
1. Soriano – LF (Lou is not going to move him out of leadoff spot)
2. Kosuke / Johnson Platoon – CF
3. Lee – 1st (I wish he were moved down, but he won’t be)
4. Ramirez – 3rd
5. Bradley – RF
6. Soto – Cat
7. DeRosa – 2nd
8. Theriot – SS
Bench….Johnson/Kosuke platoon, Gathright, Fontenot, Cedeno (or an upgrade), and I’m thinking Paul Bako makes triumphant return
Rotation….Zambrano, Harden, Dempster, Lilly, ??? (Marshall is the placeholder for now)
Pen (which has me worried)…Marmol (fine), Gregg (fine), Shark, Gaudin, Vizcaino, Cotts, another Lefty
What about Pie?
He’s out of options.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 30, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Pie is done in a Cub uniform
On the subject of Felix Pie my reputation precedes me, so best you engage in this debate with somebody else on the board.
Bradley sucks dude.
He’s a headcase and there’s no evidence that what he did last year will in ANYWAY be replicated. Dunn hits 40 homers a year, walks a ton, and can beat the shit outta anyone on the field. We need Dunn.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Hendry clearly is locked in on Bradley in my opinion
There is not a shred of evidence to suggest Hendry is pursuing Adam Dunn. The only thing to hang a hat on is the supposed comment by Dunn that he would love to play for the Cubs.
I agree Jimbo is focused on Milton.
But I am disagreeing with your statement:
Milton Bradley is the best option for the Cubs
He’s not. Not even close. I hope when Milton’s value to this team is weighed, Jimbo looks very closely at (1) his history of injuries and (2) his insanity. Milton has played 141 games ONCE, and never more than that. Adam has played less than 152 games ONCE.
Here’s another take I haven’t heard too much about. This board was crying out immediately after the NLDS for a leader on this team, someone to steer the ship. I’m not saying Dunn is that person, but he is an offensive force and commands the highest of pitcher attention when he’s up to bat. Bradley intimidates no one. If we need a leader in the lineup, or at least someone to scare the bejebus out of, it can be Adam Dunn (or it is already Aramis…).
Milton is f-ing crazy, and that devalues him more in my book than anything else. I’d be welcome to compare Bradley vs. Dunn stats, if you want to go that route…
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Bradley is a definite gamble
Look, the guy is a walking feces by a lot of standards. All one has to do to understand that is to review what led to his ugly departures from Montreal, Cleveland, Los Angeles and San Diego. Bradley is one of those guys who if you met him on the street you would say to yourself this dude has a great chance of either being in prison or dead by his 45th birthday.
But that said….
Bradley can flat out hit. And he plays like a man possessed. We could use a heavy dose of that in this sleepy country club Cubbie lineup. Somebody who serves as a shoe up the ass. And like I have said elsewhere, prior to his knee injury in September 2007 Bradley was a plus outfielder. Being over a year removed from surgery I feel good about his chances of once again being an asset in the outfield.
He doesn’t play enough to be an everyday player! Since 2000 he’s played 817 games! Dunn’s played 1131 since 2001.
We have guys that hit the damn ball. We need POWER. Bradley has 103 HR to Dunn’s 278.
Milton isn’t a shoe up anyone’s ass. He’s a PAIN THE ASS.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Dunn was never going to happen
If we weren’t saddled with Alfonso Soriano in left field then I would be all gung ho for going after Adam Dunn. And quite possibly so too would Jim Hendry and Lou Piniella. But that isn’t the case. An outfield of Soriano – Kosuke – Dunn from left to right would be horrendously bad. No amount of home runs and run production could make up for an outfield corner situation like that.
FWIW
Both Soriano and Fukudome’s UZRs are positive, in the 5-10 range. Meaning they are above average outfield defenders. An outfield consisting of those two and Dunn, assuming a late-inning replacement for Dunn and/or Dome, would NOT be bad defensively.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
LSA.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
But do we need someone to play 160 games?
And if we don’t why pay extra for games you don’t need?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
No evidence last year will be replicated?
His OPS+ was almost the same last year as it was in 2007. He’s moving to the national league. And his career OPS+ is an extremely solid 118.
You should read Al's "Case for Adam Dunn"...
…he posted a few days ago. Bradley can’t be the only option! Theres Dunn, Abreu, Burrell; hell, even Manny’s still a FA (NO, I’m not suggesting we get Manny — although he’d be quite a spark in October). I’m just gonna be pissed, and so will all of us, if Bradley goes down with a knee injury in the middle of May!
"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields
Don't expect too much from Joey
Late inning replacement to steal a much needed base
Really a 5th or 6th outfielder
What do you want for 800k?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
Gathright is here to be a 5th outfielder
He is here to grab maybe 150 at bats, provide defensive option at all three outfield spots and inject some much needed speed into the offensive and defensive equation at times.
If Gathright gets 150 at-bats, we are in trouble.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
See your post yesterday on
Jose Macias. If Gathright gets 150 ABs, you could edit to plug in Gathright for Macias and Lou for Dusty.
The difference is...
… Dusty played Macias even when he didn’t have to. Lou won’t do that with Gathright.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
+1
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
Like he did in '07,
when that umpire pissed him off? Oh yeah, that was before their 1 game playoff against Colorado where they lost by that one run that never really scored…I’ll bet they wished they had his bat in that game
"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields
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