The Case For Milton Bradley
Since the reports by WGN's David Kaplan last night that the Cubs may be "close" to announcing a multi-year deal with controversial outfielder Milton Bradley, I thought, given that you all know my opposition to this move, I'd at least try to make a case as to why this might work out OK.
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Milton Bradley first came on the major league radar when he was playing Double-A ball for the Harrisburg Senators in 2000, the Montreal Expos' affiliate in the Eastern League. He hit .329/.388/.526 with 12 homers in 87 games -- not too far off from his production with the Rangers in 2008, extrapolated to the 126 games he played for Texas last year. Traded to Cleveland in an ill-advised deal for the long-gone Zach Day, he never did break into the Indians' lineup full-time -- the most games he played there was 101 in 2003. A lot of that was due to injuries, and that's the first thing I worry about when it comes to Gameboard (seriously -- didn't this family know about the game company when they named him?). Here's a list of all his injuries -- and in the box below, I eliminated everything in his transaction report except injury-related missed time, beginning with his first one-year, major league deal with Cleveland:
Sep 19, 2008: Missed 2 games (left wrist injury). Sep 16, 2008: Left wrist injury, day-to-day. Sep 12, 2008: Missed 2 games (wrist injury). Sep 6, 2008: Wrist injury, day-to-day. Aug 18, 2008: Missed 2 games (illness). Aug 16, 2008: Illness, day-to-day. Aug 10, 2008: Missed 5 games (strained left quadriceps). Aug 5, 2008: Strained left quadriceps, day-to-day. Aug 4, 2008: Missed 5 games (quadricep injury). Jul 30, 2008: Quadricep injury, day-to-day. Jul 12, 2008: Missed 1 game (left knee injury). Jul 11, 2008: Left knee injury, day-to-day. Jun 24, 2008: Missed 1 game (strained left quadriceps). Jun 22, 2008: Strained left quadriceps, day-to-day. Jun 20, 2008: Missed 2 games (quadricep injury). Jun 18, 2008: Quadricep injury, day-to-day. May 31, 2008: Missed 1 game (dizziness). May 30, 2008: Dizziness, day-to-day. May 16, 2008: Missed 2 games (right shoulder injury). May 13, 2008: Right shoulder injury, day-to-day. May 2, 2008: Missed 1 game (hamstring). May 1, 2008: Hamstring, day-to-day. Sep 24, 2007: Torn ACL, sidelined indefinitely. Sep 21, 2007: Missed 12 games (right oblique muscle strain). Sep 11, 2007: Right oblique muscle strain, day-to-day. Aug 8, 2007: Missed 4 games (hamstring). Aug 4, 2007: Hamstring, day-to-day. Jul 7, 2007: Missed 8 games (oblique injury). Jul 1, 2007: Oblique injury, 15-day DL (retroactive to June 21). Jun 20, 2007: Missed 16 games (calf injury). Jun 8, 2007: Calf injury, 15-day DL (retroactive to June 3rd). Jun 3, 2007: Calf injury, day-to-day. May 30, 2007: Missed 14 games (hamstring). May 23, 2007: Hamstring, 15-day DL (retroactive to May 15th). May 22, 2007: Hamstring, day-to-day. May 19, 2007: Missed 4 games (hamstring). May 17, 2007: Hamstring, day-to-day. May 11, 2007: Missed 15 games (hamstring). Apr 23, 2007: Hamstring, 15-day DL. Apr 20, 2007: Missed 6 games (hamstring). Apr 13, 2007: Hamstring, day-to-day. Sep 1, 2006: Missed 1 game (ankle injury). Aug 30, 2006: Ankle injury, day-to-day. Jul 14, 2006: Missed 20 games (shoulder injury). Jun 20, 2006: Shoulder injury, 15-day DL. Jun 19, 2006: Shoulder injury, day-to-day. Jun 6, 2006: Missed 36 games (right knee injury). May 7, 2006: Right knee injury, 15-day DL (retroactive to April 27th). Apr 27, 2006: Right knee injury, day-to-day. Oct 2, 2005: Missed 38 games to the end of the regular season (Torn left Patella Tendon). Sep 2, 2005: Transferred from the 15-day DL to the 60-day DL (torn left Patella Tendon). Aug 25, 2005: Torn left Patella Tendon, 15-day DL (retroactive to August 23rd). Aug 23, 2005: Knee injury, day-to-day. Jul 23, 2005: Missed 47 games (finger injury). Jun 3, 2005: Finger injury, 15-day DL (retroactive to May 30). May 31, 2005: Finger injury, day-to-day. Sep 29, 2004: Suspended by the Los Angeles Dodgers for the remainder of the season. Aug 13, 2004: Missed 1 game (hamstring). Aug 12, 2004: Hamstring, day-to-day. Jun 30, 2004: Missed 4 games (suspension). Jun 3, 2004: Suspended by MLB for 4 games. Jun 1, 2004: Missed 2 games (ankle injury). May 31, 2004: Ankle injury, day-to-day. May 4, 2004: Missed 3 games (ankle injury). Apr 30, 2004: Ankle injury, day-to-day. Aug 29, 2003: Missed 46 games to the end of the regular season (back injury). Aug 15, 2003: Back injury, 15-day DL. Aug 10, 2003: Back injury, day-to-day. May 8, 2003: Missed 12 games (strained right hamstring). Apr 26, 2003: Strained right hamstring, 15-day DL (retroactive to April 23). Apr 23, 2003: Strained right hamstring, day-to-day. Apr 19, 2003: Missed 1 game (hamstring). Apr 18, 2003: Hamstring, day-to-day. Aug 30, 2002: Missed 16 games (appendicitis). Aug 14, 2002: Appendicitis, 15-day DL (retroactive to August 12th). Jun 4, 2002: Missed 29 games (eye Contusion). May 2, 2002: Eye Contusion, 15-day DL. Apr 17, 2002: Missed 4 games (right quadricep). Apr 11, 2002: Right quadricep, day-to-day. Mar 1, 2002: Agreed to terms with the Cleveland Indians to a one-year contract.
OK, I left two short suspensions in that list, one by his team (the Dodgers), one MLB suspension. That's a reeeeeaaallly long list of injury-missed time, wouldn't you say? In between those injuries, Bradley has produced, particularly last year, when he put up a 163 OPS+ and led the AL in on-base percentage with .438. That's something that I found appealing when I put the case for Adam Dunn on this site last week -- and if Bradley, who has shown good plate discipline since he became a major league regular several years ago, could keep that up as a Cub, that makes him a fine addition to a lineup that exhibited that sort of patience last year, partly, I would argue, due to the influence of Kosuke Fukudome, who led the team in walks with 81 even while slumping the whole second half.
Bradley drew 80 walks while missing 36 games. If we knew he could stay healthy for the entire season -- something he has not done in the last six years -- I'd say he'd be worth the signing, even with the rest of the baggage he brings. You can't ignore this baggage; the smiling photo above sometimes turns into this:
And this:
And this:
And this bizarre sequence, which might have cost the Padres a playoff spot in 2007:
via www.rotorob.com
via i.a.cnn.net
I'm trying not to make that big a deal out of these incidents. But they cannot help. In some cases (the San Diego incident) they have led to injury -- the knee injury that he suffered that day had to rob him of much of his speed (he stole only five bases in 2008 and played only 19 games in right field, the position the Cubs would want him to play). It's the injuries more than the anger that I worry about. If you're going to pay a free agent like this the money he's going to be asking for (likely in the 3-year, $30 million range), you've got to make certain that you're going to get fulltime production out of him. What's the point of paying that much money and having him out for a third of the season? That would mean that someone like Joey Gathright is going to get far more at-bats than any of us would like.
By many accounts, Bradley has been a good teammate and well-liked in the clubhouses he has inhabited. That's a positive thing; if he can be just "one of the guys", and keep the temper under control, and avoid that long list of injuries -- there is no doubt that when healthy, he can and does produce. I realize that this "case for" doesn't really read that way, and I'm still leery of the Cubs signing him. I still think there may be better alternatives, including Dunn and Bobby Abreu (who has played 150 or more games for 11 straight years). If the Cubs do sign him, I'll be rooting for him to stay healthy, calm and productive.
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I guess...
I’ll withold judgement on Dunn versus Bradley. I prefer not signing either, but if Jim and Lou require one or the other, I’m waffleing and believe it comes down to dollars.
If (IF), Bradley can be signed for fewer years and less annual dollars, he may be the better gamble.
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 8:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone want to post a list of Dunn's errors in the field?
The case for Bradley is simple. All other options have negatives when they play. Bradley’s only drawback comes when he doesn’t play. The Cubs bench depth goes far enough to cover the injury time. When Bradley’s injured, we’ll just plug in Mike Fontenot and see if he’ll be ready to take over full-time in 2010.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 8:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
not a list, but
In his entire MLB career, Dunn has 67 errors over 1131 games, averaging one every 16 or 17 games. Bradley has 30 over 817 games, averaging one every 27 or 28 games. Dunn has 278 career HRs, while Bradley has 103. Dunn hits 4-5 HRs for every error he makes. Bradley hits 3-4. Of course, errors are not the only measure of fielding, and HRs are not the only measure of hitting, but I’ll let someone else use the fancy math for now.
Over the past 5 years, Dunn has missed around 20 games, while Bradley has missed around 300.
The argument that a part-time Bradley is more valuable than a full-time Dunn does not work. You can’t argue that someone is extremely valuable when in the lineup AND that we have a deep enough bench to cover for him when he’s not. If we’re deep enough, we don’t need him. If we’re not deep enough, we need someone who can play 150 games a season.
If we don’t get Dunn, let’s just give Fukudome another chance. It’s far more likely Fukudome hits much better next year than Bradley plays more than 125 games.
by Championship Vinyl on Dec 31, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not play both Dome
and Bradley?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would expect they would.
With Bradley a SH, this makes sense (if Dome can play CF).
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As much as Bradley is hurt...they will.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this isn't much a "case for"
As you said. May want to change the title. Sounds like nothing is going to change your mind.
by lamentir on Dec 31, 2008 8:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pay to play
If you’re going to pay a free agent like this the money he’s going to be asking for (likely in the 3-year, $30 million range), you’ve got to make certain that you’re going to get fulltime production out of him.
I think this is where the real hang-up is. We don’t like to see guys making millions of dollars if they aren’t “working” for it (ignoring that rehab can be harder and more work-like than playing baseball). This is especially true when an injury comes from that player’s own anger issues.
But that’s the nature of baseball today – imperfect players get paid millions of dollars. Rich Harden will get paid millions of dollars in 2009 and he may only pitch a half dozen games. But both Bradley and Harden are worth it for the Cubs because we have so much money to spend and the depth to cover their injury time well. The Cubs are better off taking the risk with Harden and Bradley because if they happen to be healthy in October, they take our club to another level of performance. And if they’re out all season long, we’re still good enough to get to October without them.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 8:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I also think, again
You can’t really bring the whole umpire/knee thing into all this. If the alleged racial comments said by the umpire are true (and it was validated by a third party), it possibly could be hard for any player to show restraint or not question that man for what he said . Him injuring the knee in the process was a fluke.
by lamentir on Dec 31, 2008 9:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're right, it was a fluke injury.
Without excusing the alleged racial remarks (and we’ll probably never know exactly what was said), a bigger man would have just walked away.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The umpire called Bradley a "f------ piece of s---"
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's it?
There’s still no excuse for that from an umpire. But if that’s true, it was not racial.
And Bradley still should have just walked away.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, that's not it
It had racial overtones, first base coach verified and even Todd Helton (the first baseman during that play) refused to comment.
by lamentir on Dec 31, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that umpire incident shouldn't be held against him
Sure he got a little out of hand, but I think once an umpire starts using racial remarks against a player all bets are off. I’ll bet D-Lee would have done the same thing.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree.
D-Lee would have walked away.
Jacque Jones dealt with some racist remarks yelled at him by fans. I didn’t see him try to physically retaliate. He made some comments afterward, which were totally justified.
If Bradley had done that, I think everyone would have respected him for it. I don’t think anyone can give him respect for raising it to a physical confrontation.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When Derrek Lee was told by Chris Young to take his bleepin base
He responded by starting a brawl. I’m not trying to attack D-Lee’s character, just pointing out that there are certain things that people just wont tolerate.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would he have?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken.
We don’t know what was said there, but keep in mind that D-Lee is normally the most calm of players. Bradley isn’t. I doubt you’ll ever see D-Lee do that again.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gentlemen, you are mixing metaphors and situations
Competitive sports at a top level is also a high energy emotional psyche, now baseball and golf demand a calmer approach to perform but that is what others call BIG MO or momentum—it is human emotion. It is the same stuff that propelled soldiers to charge up a hill against all odds or fire fighters to take on a blaze, but of course we expect cooler heads at moments in time.
Competitive athletes at this level are not normal emotionally—is that right—depends on your perspective. But when an umpire who is paid to be an objective and unbiased observer of the game says something that is so personally judgmental—-it will illicit an emotional response—-and in my book was purposeful—-not only suspended he should have been rooted out of baseball——period.
Now playing off another player’s emotional psyche is part of the game and why pitchers will throw a ball high and tight or one at their knees, it is more than merely a tactical pitch but one that goes to the head and trying to emotionally put a player out of their game.
Bradley obvious has tools, but he breaks down a lot. His signing is not for the regular season per se but for October, Lou’s job is to get Bradley and the rest of team to October healthy and peaking.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Dec 31, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree you won't see that out of D-Lee again
Just an example everybody has a breaking point
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To which is something I firmly believe this Cubs team needs. Fire in the belly is lacking. Bradley would certainly fill that void.
by VFTB Matt on Dec 31, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you think this team needs to go on the field...
… and punch out umpires, yell at fans, and threaten broadcasters?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
beat me to the...um...punch
fire in the belly is one thing, a hot head something else altogether
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
by Emelie on Dec 31, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t recall him being much of a hot head last year. Trust me, I was at the game in LA when he went off. It wasn’t pretty.
Yes, his three or four outbursts were bad, but I’d rather have that than guys that beat the hell out of a water pipe.
by VFTB Matt on Dec 31, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Anyway, the injuries are more important.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying the injuries aren’t.
Of the three choices for RF, I’d take him and his “hot head” over Dunn and Abreau. With Gathright, Johnson, Fukudome, and DeRosa, I think the outfield is in pretty good shape.
by VFTB Matt on Dec 31, 2008 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't what he really said to Lee
I’m sure Lee did not send Young a warm greeting this holiday season
But really an isolated situation vs Bradley PLEASE
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to add
that my opinion of Jones went up a lot after I saw how he handled the situation.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The umpire- not Bradley, was suspended.
"Baseball is like church- many attend, few understand." ~ Leo Durocher
by The Lip on Dec 31, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a fan of Milton Bradley
But, if we can get the Parker Brothers to go with him, then we’ve got something.
That said, the reason I don’t like him is the inconsistency. We already have inconsistent in the lineup and we don’t have to sign it for 3 years.
by Woodstock on Dec 31, 2008 9:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's the 3 years that worries me most.
What if he blows out his knee again?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then he'll be a productive member of the lineup in less games.
But he’ll still be productive. Bradley is the Harden of the lineup – a lottery ticket that pays off whenever he’s on the field.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think thats a good analogy
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
The difference is that if Harden misses a start, that affects only one in ten games. Missing a regular starting outfielder is a little more dicey a proposition.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not exactly true
Harden’s simply presence impacts the bullpen and rest of the rotation. It requires having someone like Sean Marshall who can, for all intents and purposes, be available on a last minute basis to start. This impacts when you can use him as a reliever, both before and after Harden’s scheduled starts. This is more about Harden and less about Bradley but i think people are really underestimating the impact of the Harden proposition.
by dmlichte on Dec 31, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but only once in 9-10 days not an everyday effect
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
Harden’s health issues can have a real trickle down effect. The impact is certainly beyond the one day that he misses. Look back at the Prior-Wood era.
by dmlichte on Dec 31, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harden's impact on the bullpen is less than Bradley would be on the bench
Five innings of Harden giving up only a run or two would allow Pinella to use the relievers that are rested, rather than Marmol and his one or two other favorites for next year.
The relievers in the Prior-Wood era were not as good, and that’s two pitchers, not one.
Less Bradley playing time means more DeRosa in outfield, which means less rest for Theriot, which means another September slump.
by Championship Vinyl on Dec 31, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you figure that?
DeRosa doesn’t play short. It would mean more Fontenot at 2B, and Cedeno, the backup SS, could still relieve Theriot.
And to be frank, our bullpen looks pretty mediocre right now. Do you think Lou’s going to rely on Marmol less?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 31, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol
I’m shuddering thinking about that comment. Without help in the pen Carlos will definitely make marmolade of his arm by august with the way Lou throws him out there
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 31, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol will have at least 5 three inning saves this year I think
Poor guy better have a spare right arm handy for after the ASG.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a stretch
Harden has been a great pitcher nearly his entire career, when healthy. Bradley was great last year (in his career year) when healthy, but outside of that and the 61 games he managed to play in 2007, he’s been a good but not great player for the rest of his career.
by kanderber on Dec 31, 2008 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
People keep saying this
That he was only great last year.
Are you looking at his career stats? He’s been remarkably consistent when on the field.
by Wreckard on Dec 31, 2008 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and he's also been remarkably consistent in something else too...
getting hurt.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Um... what? No, he hasn't.
Here are Bradley’s OPS’s for his nine major league seasons…
.613
.620
.723
.922
.786
.834
.817
.947
.999
Please tell me how that’s anything near “remarkably consistent.”
The only thing he does consistently is get hurt.
by kanderber on Dec 31, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
In the last 6 years he's only had an EQA under .290 once.
The notion that he’s only been good last year is hogwash.
by Wreckard on Dec 31, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you read what I wrote?
I very clearly stated that last year was his only great year and that he’s been good the rest of his career.
Also… no comment on your original absurd notion that he’s been “remarkably consistent?”
by kanderber on Jan 1, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there anything saying Bradley would be three years?
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not specifically, but...
… I assume a guy his age (31) is looking for more than one or two years.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, if...
Bradley had no character questions. Guys with that black cloud sometimes have to take lesser terms. Here’s hoping that Hendry can keep the contract lenght short if it goes Lego Nintendo’s direction.
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Three years makes sense after ...
Ibanez got three years.
by elgato on Dec 31, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
COUGH COUGH
The official Milton Bradley joke is to call him Fischer Price (patented by me of course!)
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not "Parker Brothers"?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha well.....you can use that as an "unofficial" joke
I mean doesn’t this sound much better:
“Fischer Price steps up to the plate, HR!”
Plus it makes him sound like a little kid, which is how he acts anyway..
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It kills me that Milton Bradley
was traded to make room for Coco Crisp
by gocubsgo22 on Dec 31, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can now root for Grady Sizemore
better than both Coco & MB
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
Bradley’s 162 game avg line is: .280/.370/.457 20HR, 342B, 79RBI, 87R, 77BB
Which obviously had to be extracted because he’s only played more than 100 games 3 times in 9 year career. A career in which he has played for 6 teams in 9 years, so there are likely 6 other GMs who think that Bradley has other significant drawbacks beyond on-field performance….which was a rarity in and of itself.
Bradley’s avg. errors in a 162 game season: 6.6
Dune’s avg. errors in a 162 game season: 10.8
Dunn’s 162 avg. game line: .247/.381/.518, 40HR, 292B, 91RBI, 100R, 114BB
BTW, Dunn has played more than 100 games 7 of 8 seasons.
We need productivity on the field, its the only way to bring home a championship. The player that gives us the least likely chance to perform on the field for us is Bradley. Ergo, he’s the worst of the three (or more) options.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 31, 2008 9:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is what I am concerned about...
… the guy hasn’t proven he can stay on the field. If I thought he could play 150 games IN THE OUTFIELD (where he played only 20 times last year), maybe I could be convinced.
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
his salary
Isn’t paying Bradley 10M a year a reflection that the Cubs know he won’t play an entire year? In all liklihood a combo of Bradley and DeRosa or whomever is going to be more productive and likely cheaper than Dunn or Abreu. Then there’s the reward that maybe Bradley is healthy an entire year….that’s a bargain at 10M. Of course he’s a bargain at 10M if he plays 100-120 games.
by VaJaMan on Dec 31, 2008 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except that Dunn has stated he wants to come to the Cubs.
Which might make him just as inexpensive.
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point about Soriano earlier
When he goes down and he will
than Bradley goes down and he will MORE than Soriano
IF they go out at the same time?
you’re out 2 regulars that are bound to be “DL regulars” then what?
Joey Reed Fuku for 20+ games?
I no likey:(
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sori missed 53 games.
The Cubs didn’t have Bradley for an entire year and still won 97 games.
by VaJaMan on Dec 31, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They had Jim Edmonds and an effective Kosuke Fukudome for three months
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by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds played in 85 games for us
That’s more than MB played in 07 & 06
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- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind that a lot of the 53 games Soriano missed...
… were because of a broken hand on a HBP. That’s not likely to happen again.
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But he will be on the DL for another reason this year
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- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Admitted that he missed 53 games in ’08 and 27 game in 07 but in 2001-2006 Fonzie appeared in 158, 156, 156, 145, 156 and 159 games respectively.
While I understand some concern about the leg issues that he’s had as a Cub, he’s managed to be fairly consistently healthy during his career — and when he has gone down like in the past 2 years, he’s managed to recover and come back quickly.
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by bobby h on Dec 31, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mr Bunny hop?
Yeah leg issues
Its cool 10-20 games
but 25+ times over the last 4 years (prior to 2008)
No Thanks
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- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He played 158 games in LF in 2006 with Washington...
… presumably, bunny-hopping there, too.
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No I think the Bunny Hop came as a Cub
I think it was part of his contract
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- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And multiple full seasons at 2b...
with NYY and Texas — which can arguably be considered a more physically strenuous position.
I don’t think that there’s anything to indicate that the Cubs should expect anything less than 150+ games from Soriano in 09.
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by bobby h on Dec 31, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As I noted somewhere else in this thread...
… if not for the HBP, which made him miss 44 games, he’d have played 153 games in 2008.
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley has been rumored to want to be a cub.
And actual terms have actually been outlined. Dunn was quoted last year as looking for 100M which won’t happen but neither will a 30/3 deal.
by VaJaMan on Dec 31, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Every one wants to be a Cub
this is baseball heaven my friends…
I heard the Pope wants to be here too
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please double check that
I heard different
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- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But he's more valuable in limited time than Dunn or Abreu are over the course of the season
Cwyers laid out a great case for this in the other thread: even if he only plays 2/3rds of the games, which is his season average, he’s more valuable than 160 games of Dunn or Abreu.
This is a hollow criticism. It doesn’t hold up.
by Wreckard on Dec 31, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have I read correctly various posts saying the reason Lou wants
a LH bat is to “break up” the batting order so pitchers see a different look and don’t get to pound the same side of the plate?
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 9:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, though remember that Bradley is a switch hitter
so against a lefty pitcher he will just be another right handed bat.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was going to be my next thought.
If Bradley hits righty versus lefty pitchers, this “other look” concept is useless.
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not at all
Lou wants a lefty so the Cubs don’t fall apart against tough righty pitchers — like they did in the Dodger series. So what if he hits right handed versus lefties?
by elgato on Dec 31, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go Ahead with the Bradley Signing
If, for no other reason, I’m tired of hearing about the Abreu-Bradley-Dunn debate. I’d rather have Dunn, but Bradley might stay away from injuries next season. That’s optimistic thinking. I was worried that Kerry Wood was going to have a problem more serious than the blister last season, but he didn’t. I like Wood more than Gregg, but Gregg is our guy now.
Good luck to both Milton Bradley and Kevin Gregg! May injuries not befall Bradley! May control problems not befall Gregg!
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 31, 2008 9:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's a lot to ask for.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Kidding!
I am hoping they surprise us in a good way.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 31, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing you got to say about MB
It takes quite a man to fight back from injury 80 times. What internal fortitude!
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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 31, 2008 9:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
In +/-2000 the Cub’s opened the season against the Expos and Milton Bradley was playing for them. I was talking to him and a few other players during batting practice and invited them out for a few drinks after the game. Graeme Lloyd (sp?), Britt Reams, Scott Strickland and Milton all came out and joined us. Milton could not have been a nicer more down to earth person. Granted this is as small of a sample size as possible but it is worth something.
by gocubsgo22 on Dec 31, 2008 9:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Must Have Been 2001
The Expos opened up at Wrigley that season.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 31, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's cool!
Where’d you go?
by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Dec 31, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Justins
All of the guys were extremely nice and fun. They met some girls who worked there and took them shopping on Michigan Avenue the next day (For some reason the Cubs/Expos played Monday, had Tuesday off and played again on Wednesday).
by gocubsgo22 on Dec 31, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Opening day usually is scheduled that way
as a precaution against rain.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
You list all this guys DL trips and on field episodes but you don’t list any of his accomplishments. You don’t list how he led the AL in OBP and OPS last year. You seem to really hate this guy and why? I don’t think it’s the injuries because you are the same person who was saying we should re-sign Kerry Wood because he’s over his injury concerns when in reality, if you did a list of his injuries it would be twice as long as Miltons.
I don’t know why anybody would not want this guy. Who cares he’s an asshole? The guy can hit a baseball from the left side of the plate very well. I’ll take 25 assholes if it gives the Cubs are World Series.
by McRipper on Dec 31, 2008 9:41 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I did mention that he led the AL in OBP last year.
He had just barely enough plate appearances to qualify.
And I also said that the reason I’m not sold is the injuries.
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see that
the first time I read it. All the same, just because somebody has been injured, doesn’t mean he’s going to be injured. He could play 150 games next year, or he could play in 78. I’m sure the Cubs know what they are doing. I’m sure they are well aware of his previous injuries and have had he’s medical reports examined thoroughly.
by McRipper on Dec 31, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just look at his history
It bound to repeat itself
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- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well maybe, but maybe not
Soriano never went on the DL his whole life until he got to the Cubs, now he is a huge injury concern. Maybe the opposite happens with Bradley.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Soriano hadn't been hit by that pitch last year...
… he would have played in 153 games (he missed 44 games in June and July).
Care to restate your point?
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No even by ignoring that injury which I agree was a freak incident
Soriano is a risk to get hurt everytime he runs or tries to catch a ball. His legs have been a mess since he got here.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken.
But to say that he’s “going” to get injured and that would make him miss a lot of time, ignores reality.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A bit of a strech...
I’d put his injury risk about on par with that of Aramis (who incidentally has average about the same about of game per season over the last 8 — 145.6 for ARam vs 146.7 for Soriano).
They both could potentially miss a few weeks (or more) with leg injuries, but they can also just as easily be expected to play a full season. If I had to pick who was more likely to play more games in 2009, I’d pick Soriano.
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by bobby h on Dec 31, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the new Slimmer A-Ram
is less likely to get injured- I just hope the disappointing exit didn’t cause him to binge on Cheetos all winter.
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ding ding ding
We have a winner. Entirely accurate. Well done.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Dec 31, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ding Ding Ding with a huge maybe?
MAYBE the opposite happens with Bradley?
That’s a stretch. Did Harden miss starts or go on the DL as a Cub?
That does NOT work
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- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed 100%
Compare this to Al’s case for Dunn, where’s Dunn’s flaws defensively were dismissed as being made up for by his bat, for which there is no strong statistical argument.
Meanwhile, here you can actually dismiss Bradley’s injury history statistically – he’s more valuable to the Cubs even in limited time than the alternatives are over a full season.
by Wreckard on Dec 31, 2008 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Statistics do not play baseball games.
They are a tool to be used for analysis. In this case I believe they may be being misused. I don’t agree that half a Bradley is worth more than a full-time Dunn or Abreu.
Go ahead, post tables full of numbers telling me I’m wrong. I’ll just remind you that there are things about winning baseball games that cannot be measured on a stat sheet.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahahahahahaha
Ok Al.
You tend to trot this argument out whenever the stats don’t reinforce your gut feeling. Now what makes Bradley bad is intangible because it doesn’t hold up to even mildly pedestrian criticisms of him.
A good argument has both logic and should be able to be supported by statistics. Statistics aren’t what happens on the field but they are a reflection of it. If you can’t hold your argument up to a mirror and see something that supports it, then you can do one of two things: assume your gut feeling is wrong, or say that 100+ years of statistical analysis by people smarter than you or me is wrong.
And you’re exaggerating again – Bradley’s only played a half season or less twice; the average games played was 2/3rds of a season.
Of shoot – I’m sorry. Games played is a statistic. I guess that argument doesn’t hold up against your gut. He must have missed more games than what the stat sheets say intangibly.
by Wreckard on Dec 31, 2008 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
What Al is implying and not specifically stating is that a full season of dunn or abreu gives you a certainty of that person in the lineup.
However, a half season of Bradley while productive gives you half a season of (non)production from Gaithright and others. So you have to factor in what players would fill Bradley’s role when he’s not playing and include that expected production as well.
Then, the expectation is more Dunn and Abreu v. Bradley + a replacement
Now, you understand that Dunn and Abreu would statistically be better options.
Further, I missed the argument that Colin made over Bradley’s production potential but as I listed above the 162 game averages for Dunn and Bradley do not compare. For what this team needs (power bat, OBP) Dunn is a better option
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by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 31, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Read Colin's argument.....
it speaks to (and refutes) your 162 game argument directly. Reasonable minds can disagree.
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by The Lip on Dec 31, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Will do
Always appreciate what cwyers has to offer, but the fact that several posts and postings argue for why we should/not take Bradley should be evidence enough to not make the trade. Where there’s smoke…
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by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 31, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand what you're saying here
Because some people are against it, we shouldn’t do it, even if their reasons aren’t very good?
by Wreckard on Dec 31, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cwyers' excellent argument
His argument accounts for what you’re saying.
by Wreckard on Dec 31, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ad hominem?
They are a tool to be used for analysis. In this case I believe they may be being misused.
Are you accusing him of doing something improper?
by Old Style & Ivy on Dec 31, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I reserve the right
to remind everyone, loudly and repeatedly, that I was right about Bradley’s inability to play the field. This is the kind of short-sighted signing, made in desperation, that will haunt the Cubs for the next three seasons.
Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?
by 3744nsheffield on Dec 31, 2008 9:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 31, 2008 9:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Injury log
Looking at Bradley’s injury log, particularly from 2008, I think you should be recognizing the fact that it would appear on the surface that Bradley isn’t necessarily “injury prone” but rather, doesn’t play hurt. Missing two games here, five games there for a variety of injuries would seem to point that fact out pretty glaringly. Keep in mind there is a significant difference between “hurting” and being “injured”. Every player hurts at certain times in the season. Bradley’s injury log would have you believe he doesn’t enjoy playing on those days in which he’s not feeling well.
And despite the macho stuff that most fans like to bang around, this isn’t football. Bradley doesn’t have to play hurt to have value to the Cubs. If he plays 125 games and hits in the middle of the order, he will help the Cubs. If you can pencil him in the lineup in the playoffs, that will help the Cubs.
Right now, aside from Manny, Bradley is the best offensive player on the free agent market, including Adam Dunn. His signing would be a good move by the Cubs, a calculated gamble just as any player is, but worth whatever it is they would be paying him.
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by krummy12 on Dec 31, 2008 9:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
a weak threshold for pain or just plain lazy
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now he's lazy too?
Wow. You either lack perspective or have other issues with this guy that go beyond him as a player.
by Wreckard on Dec 31, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he's constantly sustaining nagging ligament injuries
then he is prone to injury
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 31, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 seems like if he's 100% he's not playing
If I did that I’d be fired!
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not make assumptions
about the structure of the contract. The Cubs showed interest in Bradley a couple of years ago, when Dusty talked to him. Milton knows Hendry is interested in him, and the fact that the Cubs are talking to Bradley now without simultaneously dealing with Dunn or others is another indication of that. He may very well be willing to come to a place he is wanted, and where he can win, for a contract with some incentives.
I think it’s quite possible the announced deal will be something like $8 M guaranteed for the first two years, plus incentives for games played that could bring it as high as $12 M per year, and a vesting option for the third year that kicks in if he plays in at least 100 games in the second season.
Personally, I think that’s better than signing Dunn for 3/36 or so. Particularly because the difference in guaranteed money might determine whether we keep DeRosa going into the start of the season.
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by zambranofan on Dec 31, 2008 10:09 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I blame Bud Black for the knee injury
If he would just let MB punch out the ump, he never wouldve sustained an acl injury, way to go Bud
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 31, 2008 10:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're serious?
If he had done that, he might have been suspended for a full season, or been liable for assault charges, or worse.
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, no of course not
It was MBs fault for losing his cool, but Black was the one who dragged him down….ultimately its Bradleys own fault as Black was tying to get him away…..it sure was funny though
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 31, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Milton Bradley
Although he gets hurt alot, he batted .321 in 08 and .306 in 07. I think we should get him.
by Mr.Cub on Dec 31, 2008 10:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
besides last season, which Bradley played at DH most of the year,
the last season he played in over 100 games was 2004. Throughout his 9 season of playing, he’s only played in over 100 games 3 times.
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by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 10:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Al...................
What do you think are the odds of Bradley being a Cub this year.
by Mr.Cub on Dec 31, 2008 10:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
My only concern with Bradley
…is how the fans will treat him. You can see by these threads that, like Jacques Jones, many if not most of the fans here have already decided they don’t like him.
We don’t have a good recent history with African American ballplayers who are sensitive to fan criticism.
Now, on the plus side, we know Bradley will produce, which is something you can’t say about the Hawkins, Pattersons, and JJ’s of the world.
by Wreckard on Dec 31, 2008 10:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Screw the a-hole yuppie frat boy fans who would get on Bradley's case
Some of the jag bags that infect Wrigley need their comeuppance. I have sat down the right field side for many games and was appalled by the horse bleep treatement Jacque Jones received. Maybe we need a guy like Bradley to leap into the stands and tear the face off the drunken frat boys.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be real mature.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon
You’re at Wrigley all the time. Do you agree with the behavior you saw showered on Jacque Jones by the drunken frat boys in the right field bleachers and down the right field line? It was terrible. A black eye for the Cubs.
I’ve had this debate before. The crowd at Wrigley has greatly deteriorated from the grand days of the diehards. We have an inordinate amount of jackasses at Wrigley these days. And believe me the crowd at Wrigley is gaining widespread reputation around baseball that is quite negative. Ask anybody from out of town who has ever been to Wrigley what they think. Cardinal fans, Brewer fans, Braves fans, you name it. Growing perception is that the Wrigley crowd is a bunch of obnoxious assholes.
I swear I see one more asshole wave the “W” flag before a game is concluded and I am going to personally walk down to his seat and rip it from his clutches.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I say I agreed with the behavior?
Of course, it was reprehensible. And I’m in the park all the time, as you say, and yes, I see the behavior getting worse (it’s no different at many other parks, either).
But to suggest that a player jump into the stands in retaliation — what does that solve? That’d make a bad situation 100 times worse.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was being a bit sarcastic
Of course I don’t want a felony committed by the Cub right fielder.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not so bad if you leave the bleachers
So many people here sit exclusively in the bleachers. Outside of the bleachers, I so rarely see or hear the things you are talking about. It’s a bad situation because the bleachers draw in these “frat boy” types who feel it’s their obligation to get wasted and act outrageous.
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 31, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
spoken like a true Cubs fan
we can’t just be loud, raucous and passionate – oh, no, we have to have the “Edgy” among us ..
Thanks to the infantile slackers who are halfway to their Bud buzz and who slip into the park hoping to paw some drunken Trixie’s plastic surgery, that’s how the Cubs Nation is now being increasingly viewed. I hope they pass out cattle prods to the security guys next year and drag more of those jackasses out of the park while they bite half their tongues off as they convulse and cry for their mommas “Don’t taze me bro!”
I’ve seen enough of them in the few Cubs games I’ve gone to in recent years that completely maxed out my toleration for their stupidity.
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Dec 31, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Daver starts slow clap...
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't somebody from the Dodgers try and do that once?
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I was pretty young when that happned but I remember that fight as the reason
why Wrigley started to shut down beer sales in the 7th inning.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
That’s exactly what we need to happen. Tell me, what did you think of the whole Ron Artest situation, was that classy to you? Based on this post, I’m sure you thought it was best that he did go into the stands and attack that fan.
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by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I endorse the addition of Milton Bradley
The guy is indeed human feces and it is hard to look past his multiple transgressions over the years. But that said he is the BEST option among those available on the market for the Cubs.
Defense? Bradley was a plus outfielder before knee surgery in fall 2007. He was limited to mostly DH in Texas in 2008 because he was working his way back into shape. Heck, he wasn’t even expected to play at all in 2008. I’m confident that he will be better than average in right field for the Cubs.
Offense? Bradley is a professional hitter. The dude can flat out rake. I’m giddy over what he can mean to the Cub lineup.
Injuries? Yes the dude has an injury history. But that is why you have outfield depth in the form of Reed Johnson and Joey Gathright. Bradley plays the game full tilt, and injuries sometimes happen as a result (see Aaron Rowand). I will glady take his aggressiveness as a ballplayer, even if it increases the risk of him going down with injury once in a while.
Attitude? Like I said, Bradley is a garbage human being. But this sleepy Cub lineup that is epitomized by Derrek “Moses” Lee and his laid back ways can desperately need an injection of what Bradley brings.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 10:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I dont know
Hes not exactly Lenny Dykstra, I dont remember too many clips of Bradley smashing into walls or hurting himself diving at short flies.
He is Mark Prior incarnate; tremendously talented, tremendously fragile
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 31, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why it is incumbent upon Lou Piniella to use him wisely
That is also why you have quality depth on the bench in the form of Reed Johnson (or Kosuke), Joey Gathright and even the option of Mark DeRosa.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Mark Prior thing is unfair to Bradley because he still plays some games
Prior misses seasons at a time.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First, I thought he was walking feces.
I preferred that mental image because I imagined Mr. Hanke, the Christmas Poo taking the plate. Hi De Ho Cubs Fans.
I don’t understand the “Moses” comment and would like an explanation.
Further, I completely disagree that Lee is laid back, implying that any issue is lack of effort. The man is just smooth.
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not the greatest fan of Derrek Lee...
He plays the game in a style and pace that drives me nuts. Add to that the fact that he is in decline phase and I wish he were an ex-Cub at this point.
Lee is a class professional. And has had a productive career. And in no way am I labeling him “lazy.” But he ain’t my cup of tea. His performance versus the Dodgers reinforced my misgivings.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
What did you mean by “Moses?”
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His performance against the Dodgers?
Where he had at 1400+ OPS and scored 2 of the Cubs 6 runs? That’s what I dislike most about him too…
He could have done more. There were a few ABs that I’m sure he wished he had back, but relative to every one else he probably had one of the better performances of the series.
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by bobby h on Dec 31, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What What What?
.545 BA
.583 OBA
.818 SLG
1.402 OPS
What the hell was wrong with DLee’s performance in the playoffs????
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Dec 31, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scatological Analysis
Bradley is a garbage human being.
Let’s be clear. Bradley’s sins are on full display. They aren’t excusable and should be condemned.
That doesn’t mean, on-balance, he’s a worse human being than other players who are able to hide their womanizing, gambling addictions, or other various and sundry sins.
Milton Bradley needs to learn to control his anger. We do not know, however, as we don’t know about nearly every baseball player, what kind of human being his is on balance.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you DGU
some semblance of reasoning
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Dec 31, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BLou
“Human feces”? “A garbage human being”?
by leothelip on Dec 31, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Human feces"? Really?
That’s a big strong, don’tcha think? Would you say that to his face?
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by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else seeing an add for a "Loser Flag" on the main page.
It is a blue “L” on a white background and that is what it’s called.
Why would google be advertising that on BCB?
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 10:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too.
Those Google ads pop up based on the content of the page. Since this is a Cubs page and that ad is Cub-related, that’s why it appears.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
A little anti-cub venom for the new years.
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I took care of this.
It shouldn’t appear again.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beat you to it.
AdBlock Plus (Firefox)
by MN exile on Dec 31, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I saw one when I logged on.
Curse you, Google. I hate you, yet I love you.
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by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For those who interested
Per ESPN 1000’s Bruce Levine, Aaron Miles is now a Cub (meh) and Milton Bradley will be signed w/in the next 2 weeks to 10 days.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Dec 31, 2008 10:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Miles?
Why?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I asked the same thing.
What do you think this means for LBR/OneDec/TheRiot?
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Dec 31, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I assume it means one, or more is moving.
I hate to bring this up, but does moving Marquis and acquiring Miles indicate heat in the Peavy kitchen? Or, is this a SS upgrade?
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ewww....
I take this as an sign that DeRosa could very well be moving — which is disappointing.
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by bobby h on Dec 31, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure about that.
Maybe Ronny is the player who will be moved.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
god willing.
"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens
by bobby h on Dec 31, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Miles is strictly a 2nd baseman ... and not a good one at that
Don’t we already have a plethora of 2nd base options?!?!
Me thinks Mike Fontenot is about to become an ex-Cub.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Without knowing who would come back in return for Fontenot,
that would be a big loss. In limited duty, Fontenot was among the top ten most productive second baseman in the league. In terms of wOBA, he was better than Chase Utley in significant but limited duty. That’s a huge loss. But let’s assume that Bradley is signed, what would Fontenot be dealt for? Our outfield is set with Sori, Dome(he probably won’t be dealt) and Bradley. Ramirez, Theriot/Miles, DeRosa, Lee and Soto are all locks as well. The rotation is set, as even if Marquis is dealt Marshall would most likely step in as the replacement. So Fontenot would be dealt for bullpen help?? I hope not.
by dakoose on Dec 31, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He played at SS
27 in 08
40 in 07
39 in 06
Theriot is a 2b too.
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miles Needs to Play for AAA Memphis
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 31, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really.
He’s a switch hitter who put up .317/.355/.398 in 379 AB’s, in the division and can play all infield and, if required, all outfield positions (not well in OF).
Methinks I prefer Miles to Cedeno.
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With DeRo Gone...
I’ll take Miles. I don’t know how much trade value Cedeno has. I think last season was an aberration for Miles. I see him more as a .260/.300/.340 guy. Maybe, he can be the Cubs’ late-inning defensive shortstop. I’ll miss DeRosa.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 31, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miles played a better SS in 2008
than some starters on other NL Central teams… not naming any names…
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I won't name names either...but one of the SS names starts with the letter Ryan Theriot.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cue Wrestling music
Time for Spring Training Cage Match
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is so wrong.
I’m choking in my office stifling laughter.
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also goodbye Mark DeRosa
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which, Bruce also said....
The Indians are close to signing DeRosa. I guess we’ll see.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Dec 31, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just about to type that
Things are really starting to pick up in a hurry
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Things are also starting to suck in a hurry.
I realize that are farm system is barren and the rumor is that DeRosa would get us a few of Cleveland’s young pitchers, but I don’t want Miles platooning with Fontenot. That gives us not one but two hitters with zero power coming off of career year’s fueled by artificially high batting averages.
by dakoose on Dec 31, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the idea is that these prospects get flipped for Jake Peavy
Though I still don’t believe we get Peavy until I see him in a Cubs uni.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We as Cubs fans are a strange breed
Think about this:
Jim Hendry got Edmonds this season and we pretty much hated the move: “Oh he’s no good, he’s hurt all the time, his a Cubs killer blah blah” And then look how well he played for us last year.
Rich Harden: Probably has had just as many injuries as Bradley; But I tell you we where doing back flips when he was traded here.
Given Hendry’s track record I think that we should give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Because there’s no questions that Milton Bradley is a very good offensive player when he’s healthy.
by Galvan316 on Dec 31, 2008 10:48 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
+1
Al and everyone else just need to chill out.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Dec 31, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
There’s a reason Jimmy’s in charge and not the fans.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harden was acquired for peanuts and didnt cost over 30M dollars
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 31, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to say that I am not worried about Bradley's injury history,
but isn’t there some type of contract insurance in case he misses an extended period of time, i.e at least 45 days? I realize that just covers the financial aspect and leaves out the fact that the cubs won’t have a very good right fielder if Bradley gets hurt, but wouldn’t some of that insurance money be used while trying to acquire a replacement, probably one that is a bit pricey from a team looking to shave payroll?
Aside from that, if in fact the Cubs do get Bradley, I won’t be too upset. His antics in the past have more-or-less been non-teammate issues and if they were to pop up while he is a Cub it likely won’t shake up the clubhouse. He’s as good a hitter as anyone we already have and as long his injuries aren’t too severe(meaning that it wouldn’t require a long term visit to right be DeRo) I can live with the injury risk. Lets also not forget that as a fielder he is loads better than Dunn and Abreu.
by dakoose on Dec 31, 2008 10:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because of the history of injuries,
I would imagine Bradley’s contract will not be insurable. Simply, he is to big a risk.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Abreu can be had on a one year deal, case closed!
This has got to be a far better option than getting roped in to Bradley, or even Dunn, for 3-4 years.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 31, 2008 10:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and the rumor mill
has been soooooooo accurate this year!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Olney says they might have to resort to that given whats going on
Seems plausible given the lack of huge deals for these corner OF so far
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 31, 2008 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Abreu bettern option than Bradley?
I’d take Bradley with no legs or arms for 10 years over Abreu.
by McRipper on Dec 31, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al, do you know where
I can see reports and updates on our players down in the Winter League?
by Mr.Cub on Dec 31, 2008 11:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually... I don't.
Which league are you talking about?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Bradley can play 115-130 games for us
He will be a big help
by Mr.Cub on Dec 31, 2008 11:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Help us with?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Winning baseball games
Which is, I think, what they’re supposed to do, right?
by Old Style & Ivy on Dec 31, 2008 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A player is only helpful
when he plays 100% of the games. There is no way a player who plays 67% of the total games is more valuable than the player that plays 100%. It’s in the numbers. 100>67
by VaJaMan on Dec 31, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What if A-Rod plays 67% of the games
or Ronny Cedeno plays 100% of the games?
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well then Cedeno would obviously be more valuable...duh.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Report: Cedeno traded for ARod.
You heard it here first, folks!
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by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope that's sarcasm
Please let that be sarcasm
by Wreckard on Dec 31, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His user name doesn't bode well for that result.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping SWL doesn't make him a picture.
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would that be thinking outside the BOX?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I should be careful then...it's a slippery slope!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying I should take a stab at it?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did we have a case for Abreu?
I know the official Al stance is Adam Dunn and I agree that ‘The Game’ would be a risky and volatile addition to our Cubbies.
(I will cheer him on if necessary)
I personally prefer the talents of one Bobby Abreu and I think he can put up decent numbers against good pitchers. I think Dunn is just another vulture and The Game is just going to be a distraction
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 11:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
vulture? wha?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meaning he feasts on crappy pitchers
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...so he'll OWN the Brewers...this is a good thing.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Carlos Zambrano
Because Dunn hits about .500 against him.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I keep hearing this
but on yahoo his Career BA vs Z is .232
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but an OPS over 1.000
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn isn't scary to me
He hits big atom bomb shots, but in tough at bats with men on base I think he will K or BB… I think a lot of pitchers go after him with out folks on base and he gets a hold of a fastball. This is not a terribly informed opinon, it is just based on his games vs the Cubs…
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
chuckle
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 31, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-the career numbers-
BA OBP SLG OPS
Bases Empty .250 .359 .528 .886
Men On Base .242 .407 .506 .913
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could be reading these wrong
but that seems to support what I said…. more likely to walk with MOB and more likely to hit a HR with bases empty.
Is there a RISP line here as well?
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suggest you...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh man
it’s even worse ….
.225 .416 .474 .890
for balance Aramis’s numbers with RISP are
.295 .370 .541 .910
This makes Manny Ramirez look like a real nice alternative…
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so.
He’s old, expensive, on major power decline and his fielding is no longer better than average.
On the plus side, the term could be short.
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they could try
the short top of the order approach to drawing walks.. get Theriot, Fontenot and Abreu to squat at the plate…
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What kind of parents would name their kid Milton Bradley?
Why his Dad, Milton Bradley Sr, of course!
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Dec 31, 2008 11:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
OK, then you'll have to ask Milton Bradley Sr's parents!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As mentioned above the Indians are supposed to be close to trading for DeRo
With all these moves being made I’m starting to wonder if maybe the new owner is in place. I saw that idea mentioned on another board an I agree that it is very possible.
In the last 18 hours things have gotten really busy in Cub land after reports said nothing would happen until a new owner was in place.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 11:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
whats this rumor about?
Peralta or Sizemore?
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore?!?
I wish, but wait while I stop laughing.
by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey a guy can hope
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching prospects
Which I would think is a step toward making a Peavy deal.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Young pitcher to flip to SD
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
by JohnM on Dec 31, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So can someone list the moments gameboard lost his mind?
1. San Diego injury
2. Going up to the broadcast booth last year to confront Jim Levebre
Not sure what the situation was with LA and the bag of balls he threw on the field. Nor the “coke throwing” incident. More?
Anyone have more background on the situations that have made him such a loose cannon?
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Dec 31, 2008 11:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Injuries are the biggest concern..
Doubtful he’ll put up numbers like last year since he won’t be a DH.. If the Cubs can get 100 games and a healthy Bradley for the playoffs, then $10 million’s fine..
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 12:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa traded for three Cleveland prospects
Jeff Stevens, Chris Archer, and John Gobb, according to Levine.
"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945
by flyingdonut on Dec 31, 2008 12:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Three players
Stevens is the closest to being a big-league commodity, as he could factor into bullpen consideration in ’09. Stevens went a combined 5-4 while racking up six saves with a 3.24 ERA in 36 games between Triple-A Buffalo and Double-A Akron in ’08. He missed some time while participating for Team USA in the Beijing Olympic Games.
The 25-year-old Stevens was the player to be named in the 2006 trade that sent Brandon Phillips to the Reds.
Archer, a 20-year-old who was a fifth round selection in the 2006 amateur Draft, spent the ’08 season in low-A ball at Lake County, where he went 4-8 with a 4.29 ERA in 27 starts. He struck out 106 and walked 84 in 115 1/3 innings.
Gaub, 23, is a lefty reliever who was taken by the Tribe in the 21st round of the ’06 Draft. He also spent ’08 at Lake County, going 1-1 with a 3.38 ERA in 34 appearances, notching a pair of saves. Gaub struck out 100 and walked 32 in 64 innings.
"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945
by flyingdonut on Dec 31, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont mind Milton Bradley at all, not even his temper.
As long as he is a great teammate and doesn’t make a habit of getting suspended he brings a fire to this team that I can’t recall we’ve had for some years.
If he remains helthy this year people will look back on this potential deal and applaud.
Just my opinion…..
by EJThunder on Dec 31, 2008 2:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Case For Milton Bradley

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 2:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+100000

and SWL sends a drive, deep left field, it might be, it could be ..
IT IS ! a walk off grand salami clearing the bases and getting the hay in the barn!
AWESOME!
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Dec 31, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, look at the pitcher.
Total pwnage.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Other Case For Milton Bradley

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 2:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The problem is, he gets this one before he gets the other one.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
eggs. actly.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Al, being the self-effacing youth you are .. I remind BCBsters of your past post ..
As I said concerning last years Trade That Shall Not Be Named, I’ll root for MB if he becomes a Cub, even if I think Hendry’s smoking crack on this one – especially since he sent Mark DeRosa packing. But it will be another roller coaster on this one.
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Dec 31, 2008 4:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
oops, the link didn't make it ..
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2008/6/12/550611/hated-cubs#6733589
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Dec 31, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you here, too.
I read that post from June. If Milton can, as you said, focus on playing baseball and using his talents and stay off the DL and cut the extracurricular activity out… well then, he’ll be welcome.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's what the Cubs need
as a Bay Area resident and an A’s fan too, I remember the passion he brought to the ‘06 playoff race, the funny handshake with Swisher whenever either one hit a homer. He was also the only guy on the whole team who hit in the playoff series against Detroit. You don’t want him on a losing team but I can guarantee the Cubs wouldn’t have gone down quietly to the Dodgers with him on the bench.
by vk on Dec 31, 2008 6:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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