Aaron Miles to Cubs

If You Search For Aaron Miles on MLB.com

… you will see that he is a member of the Chicago Cubs. Nothing on Cubs.com. Bruce Levine confirmed this as well.

I think this means that DeRosa will be traded to shed some more payroll. Also, let the talks for Peavy to begin again, as some prospects tha they would get for DeRosa will likely be flipped to San Diego.

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by initram on Dec 31, 2008 11:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I don't think DeRosa is going anywhere...

I do think Fontenot and Cedeno are about to exit stage right.

Aaron Miles is 4-11 with a triple in 7 postseason games, so I’m Ok with this pickup.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fontenot Isn't Going Anywhere...

…he’s the prized lefty.

Cedeno is as good as gone.

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by initram on Dec 31, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hope you're right

I like him too. He seemed to have quite a bit of pop in that bat. What’d BB call him a few times, pocket rocket?

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He was just happy to see you

by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

much more

useful to the cubs than Ronny. And seems to adjust to the pro game too.

by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and

I think that was just his cell phone set to vibrate.

by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As mentioned in the Bradley post

Miles was .317/.355/.398 in 379 AB’s and is a switch hitter. 80+ games at 2b, but 30+ at SS and some in the OF.

He appears to be a versitile option.

by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sun Times says

2 years and $4.9 million. Am guessing DeRo will be gone any day now…

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 11:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Especially if Bradley is signed.

by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Where are they going to move DeRosa? Is this just your opinion?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Looks like

the Indians….

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You have any insight as to who the Cubs would get for DeRo?

n/t

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

none

just saw the Indians mentioned on mlbtraderumors. I just had a hunch that the Peavy talks are back on since they got Miles.. Thus they’ll move DeRo.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Levine

seems to agree, unless someone is blowing smoke.

by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe a 5 for 1

2 Cleveland prospects to SD, send Pie to Baltimore for Olson , send and Vitters and Cedeno to SD

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely...

…along with shedding salary.

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by initram on Dec 31, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Moving DeRosa makes sense...

He has ample trade value given his versatility, low salary, and strong season. Miles provides an option to platoon three ways with Fontenot and Theriot in the middle infield and gives versatility as a switch hitter. I can’t see them trading Fontenot (because he’s a LH bat which Piniella covets) and I can’t see them trading Theriot (because he’s the only SS Piniella will play). You don’t keep four starting middle-IF.

It just seems like trading DeRosa while his value is high makes sense. Not to mention that trading DeRosa brings down the payroll number a bit more (depending upon whom he’d draw in return). Having Miles be the utility IF and Gathright/Johnson as the utility OF greatly diminishes the marginal value of DeRosa as a Cub, while trading him could return us something we need more.

by SouthernCub on Dec 31, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs

Very sensible analysis.

Rec’d.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Agreed.

100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.

by airweino on Dec 31, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rec'd your Rec'd

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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 31, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Great Perspective

But from emotional vantage point, DeRo is one of my favorite Cubs. He combines professionalism, production, and personality. Guys like that are rare, and I hate to give him up. (Like a finger in an open wound after Kerry left.)

I know Miles can produce, but if he’s gonna take DeRo’s spot on the roster, he’s got huge shoes to fill.

"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott

by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed again

Wood and DeRosa seemed to be the emotional leaders in 2008 and that will be missed since Lee and Ramirez are not outspoken. God help us if Big Z and Bradley are our leadership….at least it will be interesting!

100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.

by airweino on Dec 31, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess the answer is...

… management didn’t think the 2008 “emotional leaders” were good enough to lead a very good team to a single playoff win.

For those of us who do believe in team chemistry, they are obviously trying to change it. Whether that is a good thing or not remains to be seen.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 31, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How could someone

not believe in team chemistry? (See 2008 Dallas Cowboys)

"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott

by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, some don't.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 31, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Some believe that team chemistry is a myth...

They believe that chemistry is something people apply post-hoc to teams that win, and ignore the fact that team chemistry also appears in really bad teams. The 2006 Cubs team, for example, had excellent chemistry. They just stunk. Conversely, there are plenty of teams that have terrible chemistry that won.

The 2008 Cowboys didn’t lose because of chemistry problems. They lost because of injuries, poor offensive line play, and poor coaching.

by SouthernCub on Jan 1, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm thinking...

more about the idea that talent alone does not guarantee a winning team. I use the word chemistry to describe that intangible concept.

While I firmly believe an team of all-stars will not always equal a championship, I concede the fuzzy concept of “team chemistry” might break down upon deeper analysis.

However, I would rather have players like Mark DeRosa, Bill Mueller or say maybe Drew Brees over the likes of the (arguably) more talented Terrell Owens, Albert Belle, or Pacman Jones.

Perhaps “synergy” (and a team’s ability to produce it) would be a better term than “chemistry.” Some guys make it easier to produce, and others make it harder or impossible.

To ignore that this impacts a team’s success would be grossly inane.

"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott

by Reddevil on Jan 1, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not saying that getting along is completely irrelevant...

I’m just saying it’s significance is highly overvalued. Suggesting that you’d rather have a Bill Mueller or Mark DeRosa than a Terrell Owens illustrates that. Remember – every team Terrell Owens has played for has done better with him than without him.

But regardless of that discussion, I think that comparing “chemistry” in baseball and football is like apples and oranges. Football is much more of a team game than baseball. There are very few in-play situations in which teamwork comes into play. Baseball, moreso than any other team sport, relies on isolated individual success.

In baseball, individual talent plays an even bigger role in success than in any other sport. Whereas football and basketball and hockey require teamwork and coordination, the vast majority of baseball is determined by individuals – whether the pitcher makes the pitch; whether the hitter gets the big hit; whether the fielder makes the catch (or throw). These plays – not whether or not guys get along – ultimately decide who wins and loses.

by SouthernCub on Jan 1, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The 2006 Cubs had excellent chemistry?

I’d beg to differ. I think it was a bunch of spare parts that really didn’t care much about each other.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 1, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A classic example of why "chemistry" is post hoc...

those guys got along great. They just weren’t very good. And because they didn’t play well, many assume they didn’t get along.

by SouthernCub on Jan 1, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It didn't seem like they got along that great.

A team with Phil Nevin “getting along great”? I think not.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 1, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why didn't it seem like it?

Where there any indications that they didn’t get along? Is your evidence that they didn’t get along great simply that they had Phil Nevin on the roster?

by SouthernCub on Jan 1, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not completely, but...

… what is YOUR evidence that they DID get along?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 1, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I remember quotes from Lee and Walker...

Discussing it. Granted, it’s not great. But I find it interesting that the assumption you’ve made is that they don’t get along. Why would you make that assumption? Because they didn’t play well? Because they had Phil Nevin? Kind of illustrates my point.

The team didn’t have any publicized clubhouse incidents. There’s really nothing to suggest that the team didn’t get along. For a team that was as bad as they were, you’d think you’d see something happen, right? That’s another reason why I tend to believe that they got along.

by SouthernCub on Jan 1, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe.

But I also heard stories about a lot of those guys having “issues”, if not with each other, then outside the ballpark which caused them to lose focus on baseball.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 1, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If that's the case...

I’d say that it would have been a function of the losing leading to frustration, NOT the so-called “issues” leading to a lack of focus on baseball.

I think this is the classic “chemistry” fallacy. I think winning breeds chemistry, not the other way around. I think it’s a lot easier to get along when you’re winning than it is when you’re losing. And I think people inaccurately attribute success to chemistry after the fact, when it was probably winning that led to chemistry. I think this is especially true in baseball, which is much more of an individual sport than any other of the team sports.

by SouthernCub on Jan 2, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Your point is well taken.

Obviously, most winning teams are going to find ways to like each other, because winning makes coming to work more fun. Imagine the 2006 Cubs, losing game after game, each player thinking on his way to the park, “How are we going to blow it today?”

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 3, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he also provided

really crappy defense in the NLDS last year- almost single-handily screwing the game up

Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....

by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He also hit the Cubs' only post-season home run.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have

what seems like a faint repressed memory related to the playoffs last year, but I can’t remember it very well.

But ISTM… by that rationale we would be trading every player that stepped between the foul lines during the post-season.

"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott

by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Or maybe we've given up on the LH OF bat...

…and moving DeRosa to RF ? Amid the MB rumors that seems unlikely, but it is an option.

Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard

by carmen_fanzone on Dec 31, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Mmmm, no.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

brilliant

Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard

by carmen_fanzone on Dec 31, 2008 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it makes sense

IF you’re actually selling high

I’m not aware of the background of any of these 3 prospects, but trading him at peak value and getting peak value in return is different than trading him at peak value and getting mid-level value in return

by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

MLBTR

Has talks with the Indians for DeRo.
Not really liking this just yet.

by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 11:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

All depends

The Indians have some real talent.

I really like that Wood fellow (just kidding about Wood, but the indians do have some interesting players).

by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Jinx.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Late again Mr. Dave.

by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

If he goes, I really hope we get some equal value, he is a great clubhouse guy, not easily replaced.

by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Asdrubal Cabrera would be nice

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 31, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why?

We just signed Miles…aren’t they the same?

100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.

by airweino on Dec 31, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no.

Cabrera is a much better defensive player.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I doubt the Indians move Cabrera

as they view him as the shortstop of the future. I imagine they’d be trying to add DeRosa at 2nd, pushing Peralta to third perhaps, although it could be flipped.

by toonsterwu on Dec 31, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I was thinking that as well

Everyone seems to think DeRo at third, but Peralta is no dynamo at SS.

Id like to see Hendy get a bidding war going for DeRosa if there are multiple suitors

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 31, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This is why I suspect Hendry pulled out of the Peavy talks...

He realized that DeRosa had more trade value than anticipated, and it made sense to explore trading DeRosa separately first.

by SouthernCub on Dec 31, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe we're getting Kerry Wood back!

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

jinx

by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bye-bye Ronny

I don’t think this impacts DeRosa as Miles isn’t likely a starter but who knows. He can also play outfield so he provides additional flexibility which is good with Piniella’s 12 man pitching staff. Nice even splits too for a switch hitter.

A good upgrade over Ronny.

by rlpete on Dec 31, 2008 11:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wow, the deals are coming fast and furious now.

Miles seems like a decent utility guy, and I like the fact that he’s a switch hitter. He had a nice year for the Cards in ‘08. But I’ll be bummed to see DeRo go if that’s where this is headed.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 11:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

If DeRosa is traded

it means Peavy or Roberts trade talks are back on.

Miles could be added IF depth if we’re trading Cedeno/Fontenot to Baltimore.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This means

the Peavy talks are on…

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's ON!

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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 31, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Youre not getting Roberts w/ those two

Come on, Cedeno is a bum and the O’s already traded Fontenot once….so even if they are ancillary parts of a deal-what else could they give to get Roberts?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 31, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd say the Peavy talks would be more likely...

Unless the Cubs were to trade BOTH Cedeno and Fontenot.

I’d say the possibility of some other trade might be a possibility too. But I don’t see the Roberts talks coming on.

by SouthernCub on Dec 31, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm okay with Miles...

but I hope it’s not at the expense of DeRo. Cedeno might as well pack his bags. Does this mean we are heading back into the Peavy mix?

"I find sometimes it's easy to be myself. Sometimes I find it easier to be somebody else..." - Dave Matthews

by bowa41 on Dec 31, 2008 11:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Why would the Cubs get rid of DeRo?

Are they really having to shed payroll? How valuable is a 5-6 position player that makes only, what $5.5M this year? Jees…!

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 11:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I personally hope it's because we're going to steal Jhonny Peralta away from them.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no kidding

by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Or Grady Sizemore...but that's just wishful thinking.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I've had

that as a dream for a long time, but that will take a ton more. Too bad too.

by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Give them Ramirez

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 31, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dare to dream

by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ok

changing the sheets now. LOL.

by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not THAT kinda dream.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, right

You’re not serious are you? Guys’ got some pop in the lumber.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I can only wish

that Sizemore was available, but he is a cornerstone player, and as much as I value DeRo, that will take a ton more to get Grady from the indians.

by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

TWSS

by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com

by digitalbenjamin on Dec 31, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I expect it is

Subtract Marquis and DeRo,

Add Bradley, Miles, Luis Viz…, and SOMETHING Else.

Further subtraction of Pie, Cedeno, etc expected.

by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't Forget

Luis Vizcaino may be flipped.

My 2008 Christmas wish list includes this jersey. In Hendry We Trust!

by initram on Dec 31, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So would the return from DeRo...

be used to flip to SD for Peavy? I still don’t see that one going away just yet.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Peavy or another big name

Just can’t see Hendry dealing DeRo without another deal being set in place… DeRo’s quite valuable.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I get the same feeling...

by SouthernCub on Dec 31, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what the hell is going on?

we’re tight on payroll but we have money to sign a completely redundant piece for an extra 2 million???

good god

by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 31, 2008 11:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I said the same thing....

I read about the DeRo thing and then Miles, and I said , “What the hell is going on?” lol.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Dec 31, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

If DeRosa is gone, its essentially a DeRosa Wood for Vizcaino Miles move

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 31, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yea but there's going to be more moves

100%

by lexmarklover on Dec 31, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Because...

…it opens up pushing more payroll in DeRosa.

My 2008 Christmas wish list includes this jersey. In Hendry We Trust!

by initram on Dec 31, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

For who though?

I hope we’re not doing all of this (Marquis, Wood, DeRo) just to get Bradley.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Dec 31, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Amen.

100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.

by airweino on Dec 31, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The thought of Bradley

as a priority in mystifying me….just look at that list of his injuries on the front page…someone forward it to Hendry and then get on the horn with Dunn…

100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.

by airweino on Dec 31, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess you don't mind terrible defense

by lexmarklover on Dec 31, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bad D...

Beats bad attitude and part-time player.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Dec 31, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Have you ever played baseball with him? or even met him?

I’m gonna guess no, so when his own teammates say that he’s a pleasure to have in the clubhouse, i tend to believe them.

by lexmarklover on Dec 31, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok....

What about the fact that he CAN’T stay healthy? And I don’t need to meet him to know that he sounds like a tool. He’s had ugly incidences everywhere he’s played, that’s no coincidence.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Dec 31, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would rather have

someone playing Defense in RF instead of paying Bradley to ride the DL as is his history…

I mean that just takes us back to Fukudome in RF and Johnson (or Gathright) in CF when Bradley is hurt….zero improvement from ’08 (at least Edmonds was an offensive threat).

So, yeah, I would prefer Dunn.

100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.

by airweino on Dec 31, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Amen.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Dec 31, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't understand why they want to get rid of DeRosa

unless of B Rob or J Peavy.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/262889.

There’s the Indians top prospects. I really don’t know what’s happening though

by lexmarklover on Dec 31, 2008 11:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Miles

Guys like this get $2.5 million in this market? This is a flat F for Hendry. Miles can’t run, has no power and his only redeeming quality is that he’s versatile enough to play multiple positions. If this signals the end of DeRosa as a Cub, this is a HUGE downgrade. Miles will not hit .300 again and his OBP will regress back in the .320’s. Terrible signing.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Dec 31, 2008 11:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Terrible

because it is unnecessary given our needs.

100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.

by airweino on Dec 31, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Story on ESPN now

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3802231

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 11:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

are we suddenly

in some kind of bizarre rebuilding mode?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 11:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I doubt it

I imagine this is a way to make a Peavy trade happen. With Marquis gone, and with Lou and Jim wanting 2 pen lefties (meaning Sean likely stays there), that opens a need for another starter. Assuming that the mid-140 number was true, clearing Derosa and Marquis allows for Bradley and Peavy, if we can make the trade happen.

I imagine we’d be getting arms back from the Indians (perhaps David Huff) to flip to San Diego, if Levine is correct.

by toonsterwu on Dec 31, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

This appears to be exactly what is happening. I’d think all the deals would be in place before pulling the trigger on DeRosa. I think I like it.

If somehow we end up with Peralta at SS and Theriot in SD- I’d be willing to believe in Santa again!

Yeah, I know it won’t happen- had to say it- I’m giving up wild trade scenarios as a New Years resolution and wanted to get it in today.

"Baseball is like church- many attend, few understand." ~ Leo Durocher

by The Lip on Dec 31, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe DeRo is going to

Minnesota like rumors were before….maybe we could land Kubel or Delmon Young for RF?

100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.

by airweino on Dec 31, 2008 11:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Does Pie getting traded today

too?

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 11:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Not yet...

…he’ll likely go to the Padres for Peavy.

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by initram on Dec 31, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought

the Pads want Olson from Baltimore and Balt wants Pie??

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps...

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by initram on Dec 31, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Has Anyone Heard...

… what the multi-year offer for Bradley is?

Is 2 @ 18 too low?

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by initram on Dec 31, 2008 11:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

DeRosa is history

I’ve loved him here, but Miles (a good player) is obviously his replacement as “super sub”.

It will be interesting to see what the package now being assembled for Peavy will be. Indians pitching prospects, Hart, Vitters, more? (please Jim, not Marshall)

by leothelip on Dec 31, 2008 11:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Marshall Isn't Going, I Wouldn't Think

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by initram on Dec 31, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I"ll bet

Marshall will remain a Cub.. Am guessing a 5 for 1 or 6 for 1 for Peavy..

Pie, Cedeno, Vitters, Hart, 2 Cleveland prospects. Pie could be sent to Baltimore and Olson sent to SD.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Unless we get

Trevor Crowe for CF, I think he is a switch hitter.

by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yup, looks like it's shaping up this way.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He at least has good plate discipline.

by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hopefully

the Cubs can keep Vitters…

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I hope they keep something.

If the pitchers from Cleveland are good, let’s hope they keep one of them or Vitters.

by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, it would be a big bonus if Hendry could keep him out of the deal.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't

think Hendry would be so quick to get rid of Vitters unless the return was great, and I’m still not sold on him going in a Peavy trade.

by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pie is history too

The Cubs’ outfield next year will almost certainly be Bradley, Soriano, Fukudome, Johnson, and Gathright (with Miles in reserve as well)

by leothelip on Dec 31, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pie was history the moment Gathright was signed...

well, realistically, he was probably history as of spring training 2008, when Piniella decided he wouldn’t be helpful to the 2008 team. That made him too questionable to be relied on this year, which meant he has to be traded.

I suspect Cedeno and Pie are traded this offseason. They have more value to a rebuilding team looking for cheap guys with potential than they do as end-of-the-bench guys on the Cubs’ roster. The Cubs found a cheap option to replace Pie in Gathright as the defensive sub/pinch runner. They will probably find a cheap veteran free agent to replace Cedeno.

Miles seems (to me at least) to be unrelated to either Pie or Cedeno. He seems too similar to the utility role played by DeRosa, minus the power obviously but with the ability to switch hit. I suspect he’s a cheaper replacement for DeRosa, with Bradley (if the rumors are true) taking over RF and Fontenot getting an expanded role in the middle IF.

by SouthernCub on Dec 31, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

DeRosa Is Going To The Indians

For 2-3 young pitchers. Per Bruuuuuuuuuuuuce!

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by initram on Dec 31, 2008 11:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Holy crap.

So the Peavy trade could really be a go?

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why else are 2-3 young pitchers needed.

by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Al better start warming up his Diners Club card.

Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Make sure it’s caught on video!

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by initram on Dec 31, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Either that or pull a Blue Mike

and arrive via different screen name.

by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Can I register as BluMic? BlewMyke? MichelBleu?

by leothelip on Dec 31, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

There were no time stipulations on your wager?

good man…!

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Peavyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

Get it done Jimbo!

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeap

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton

by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This is going to be an interesting rest of the offseason...

The signing of Miles suggests a trade of DeRosa to free up payroll. Otherwise, it makes no sense to sign Miles.

With the potential trade of Marquis to shave more payroll, it would appear the Cubs are trying to clear payroll to get somebody else. Who knows who that would be?

I’ll be interested to see what becomes of Marquis and DeRosa moving forward. But this trade certainly makes me think they’re both getting traded this offseason.

by SouthernCub on Dec 31, 2008 11:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Eh

Levine suggests a DeRosa match with Cleveland but does not say a deal is close. Levine considers the Cubs’ Milton Bradley signing “a done deal” and says they’ve back in the mix for Jake Peavy.

^MLB Trade Rumors

Hendry has been receiving a lot of phone calls about DeRosa, who teams like Cleveland could put at third base or move around between second base, third base and the outfield. If the Cubs were to trade DeRosa, they would also have more money for their payroll this year if they get prospects back in return. Although DeRosa may be the most popular Cubs among fans, teammates and media alike, he will play at age 34 in the last year of a contract in 2009.

Actually Blog from Levine.

It doesn’t really say he was going to be traded to the Indians. Just that it was an option

by lexmarklover on Dec 31, 2008 11:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yea, I just saw that Levine blog also,

it’s packed with all kinds of different things. Sounds like Peavy’s back in the mix for sure! Here’s the link to Bruce’s blog.

by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 31, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This Is Exciting!

Happy New Year!!

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by initram on Dec 31, 2008 11:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm not excited yet... at all.

Unless something else happens this BLOWS!

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by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Do You Honestly Think...

…nothing else will happen?

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by initram on Dec 31, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have guarded optmism

But if McFail were at the helm, I wouldn’t expect anything further.

"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott

by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This is the groundwork for something bigger.

Think of just these moves in a vacuum. It only saves some cash and the Cubs still have holes.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

From a cold stove to flamin' hot in 18 hours.

by N Oakley on Dec 31, 2008 11:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

maybe there is a method to all this madness. I’ll be checking back often to see what is going to happen next.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Dec 31, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was beginning

I was beginning to think that Jim Hendry had been kidnapped by aliens and forced not to do anything.

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by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 31, 2008 11:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Seems the Cubs had to shed Marquis first

before making other moves.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If My Math Is Right...

…adding Bradley, Vizcaino, Peavy, and Miles.

…subtracting DeRo, Pie, Cedeno, Marquis (less $1M), plus arb guesstimates for Gregg, Wuertz…

…puts us at around $152M?

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by initram on Dec 31, 2008 12:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

roughly, I'm too lazy to calculate it right now, but that sounds close

by toonsterwu on Dec 31, 2008 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This Site suggests Stevens and minor leaguers

just a link to peruse

by toonsterwu on Dec 31, 2008 12:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

if this trade actually works out and they get Peavy

this offseason is gonna look pretty good. Sure they got rid of Wood and DeRo but Gregg, Peavy, Miles, Bradley is a pretty good bunch of players.

by lexmarklover on Dec 31, 2008 12:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

+1

by leothelip on Dec 31, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That would make for an interesting offseason for sure...

I’m not ready to say Peavy is back in the mix, but that would be an interesting offseason. A lot would ride on the health and production of Bradley, but it would be an interesting offseason. We’d get substantially better in the rotation (no weak spots at all), more athletic in the OF, and have more versatility in terms of switch hitters.

by SouthernCub on Dec 31, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone else want to keep Vitters in the wake of the Peavy fiasco?

I was as caught up in that as anyone on here, but in the aftermath, Im glad they hung onto Vitters and would hate to see him go when Peavy’s success in Wrigley is no sure thing and SP isnt our weak spot, not by a long shot.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 31, 2008 12:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

With the Cubs getting 3 pitching prospect from Cleveland, who I’m guessing Towers picked out, they may be able to hang onto Vitters. Hendry can move Cedeno, Pie, Hart and the 3 pitching prospects. That’s a good gain for SD considering their payroll situation and Peavy’s trade demand.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thought SD wanted near ready MLB players

or did that change or I miss something here?

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would imagine these pitchers are closer than Vitters anyway

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 31, 2008 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't Forget...

… Hill as well. He’s out of options.

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by initram on Dec 31, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and strikes.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ouch!

low blow

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 31, 2008 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

DeRo Gone

Buster Olney saying it’s a done deal. Wow…………..

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Dec 31, 2008 12:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

link

here ya go

Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....

by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think

I see no reason for this trade unless Peavy is involved.
I think we could, and should have tried for Crowe and at least send him to AAA to take over as the Cubs next great CF prospect.
And I still wonder if Towers could stay quiet long enough to let a trade happen.
I’m not really getting the warm and fuzzies from this trade.

by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 1:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Seriously bummed about losing DeRo

but I just had an e-mail from a close friend who’s a diehard Cardinals fan who’s seriously bummed about losing Miles-he’s really making the guy sound like an underrated gem.
Who knows? Maybe Hendry actually knows what he’s doing.

by bluekoolaide on Dec 31, 2008 5:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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