Cubs Add Miles, Subtract DeRosa
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:02 PM CST
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As we enter 2009 tonight, the Cubs have made two major league roster moves, signing infielder/outfielder Aaron Miles to a two-year deal, and trading the popular Mark DeRosa to the Indians for three minor leaguers (no cubs.com link yet, but the following is from the official press relase):
photo via nbcsportsmedia2.msnbc.com
The Chicago Cubs today acquired right-handed pitcher Jeff Stevens, left-handed pitcher John Gaub and right-handed pitcher Chris Archer from the Cleveland Indians for infielder Mark DeRosa. Stevens has been added to the Cubs’ 40-man roster.
"We are thrilled to acquire three strong, young arms in Jeff Stevens, John Gaub and Chris Archer," said Cubs General Manager Jim Hendry. "They are significant additions to our system and have received universally high marks from our scouts, notably Stan Zielinski.
"It’s never easy to say goodbye to a quality player and person like Mark DeRosa," Hendry continued. "He was a major contributor to our success the last two seasons. But today represents a prime opportunity to stock our organization with three pitching prospects, to modify the balance and shape of our major league roster and to give our rising talent a chance to contribute more regularly at the major league level."
It's not clear from the Miles signing the exact dollar amount; Miles made $1.4 million in 2008, so I'd expect it's likely in the $2 million range per year. Subtracting DeRosa's contract will result in an (approximate) $2 million savings for 2009, if that's the number Miles signed for. Combine this with the rumored trade of Jason Marquis for Luis Vizcaino, which will save the Cubs (approximately) $6 million for 2009, and that could clear enough payroll space to sign one of the free agent outfielders that have been rumored to be coming to the Cubs. While the Cubs did restock the farm system with the three pitchers they received in the deal -- Jeff Stevens will be added to the 40-man roster, though he's not listed there yet -- I do NOT think this is the precursor to any Jake Peavy trade. It could, in fact, mean that the Cubs have renewed interest in trading for someone like Jeremy Hermida.
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Aaron Miles is a decent player whose value is primarily defensive -- he has little speed and little power (.364 lifetime SLG). He'll be used in a utility role, no doubt, backing up all the infield positions as well as likely getting a look in the outfield, though he has played only eight career major league games there.
Mark DeRosa will be missed. His versatile and unselfish play set a good example for his teammates and he was the favorite of at least one regular poster here. Nevertheless, in a case like this I try to remember the old adage, "It's better to trade someone a year too soon than a year too late." If the players acquired can help make the Cubs a better team (presumably, by flipping them somewhere), then this deal will be helpful.
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No peavy
looks to be what is going to happen.
Thus im not to excited about this trade, Mark was one of my favorites.
What to do, with Larry Hughe?
by Rudey on Dec 31, 2008 1:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why...
…would Jim Hendry trade for Jeremy Hermida when he’s close to signing Milton Bradley?
Oh, and the Miles deal is for $4.9 mil over two years.
CUBS WIN! CUE THE ORCHESTRA!
by Keith on Dec 31, 2008 1:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Where did you get that dollar figure?
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Copied from MLBTR...
“According to the Chicago Sun-Times, the Cubs signed infielder Aaron Miles to a two-year deal worth $4.9MM. The deal was first reported by ESPN Radio’s Bruce Levine. Speculation is that the move could allow the Cubs to trade Mark DeRosa.”
CUBS WIN! CUE THE ORCHESTRA!
by Keith on Dec 31, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see that on the Sun-Times website anywhere.
By moving Marquis and replacing DeRosa with Miles – freeing up $8.3 million in 2009 payroll – the Cubs also set the stage for renewing talks with San Diego over ace pitcher Jake Peavy.
Whether the Peavy thing is true or not, the $8.3 million savings (about what I guessed if Marquis is traded) would allow the Cubs to sign a free agent outfielder OR trade for Peavy, not both.
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miles, 32, who also is versatile enough to have played seven positions last season, makes $2.2 million in 2009 and $2.7 million in 2010 with his new deal.
by NittanyCub on Dec 31, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
Backloaded again. That 2010 payroll is going to be ugly.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry either has permission or will seek forgiveness
but as long as there is no owner what are they to do?
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Dec 31, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least this contract doesn't have a no trade clause
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It won't be THAT ugly...
unless we get both Peavy and Bradley. I suspect we’d let Harden walk after next year, which more than counteracts the increase in salary due to the backloaded deals.
by SouthernCub on Dec 31, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly so.
It might be time to trade Zambrano then, too.
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes no sense to have 2 RF's
..
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or 3 second basemen
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have we figured out whos gonna play CF?
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wait!
what we need to do is take this team and go play some CRICKET! Wot, wot, say no more!
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by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
any of the 2b's
as good as bradley??? maybe al think bradley will play cf
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
I need to go to the Doc and get a refill on my anxiety medicine. Though, I want the Cubs to win, I am getting scared that Hendry is making too many bad decisions this winter.
Wood…
Gregg…
DeRo…
Bradley?
ugh
by TheHawkRules on Dec 31, 2008 1:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking
that this is setting up Samardzija as the 5th starter, Stevens in the pen, and Bradley in RF, with the hope that in-season development will lead to assets midseason to flip to fill need. I hope this isn’t the case, that a Peavy trade can happen, but I fail to see how we net assets for a Peavy deal without the DeRosa chip (and the rumors of packages for DeRosa before seem to be a better return than what we got) unless Towers’ demands come down, which may or may not happen.
by toonsterwu on Dec 31, 2008 1:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Unless...
SD wanted these pitchers.
by serbianking33 on Dec 31, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Possible.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or like you said
Any other team, like Florida, for example.
by serbianking33 on Dec 31, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps we are getting in the Hensley ramirez business?
A SS/2B with power? crazy talk
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by VegasCubFan on Dec 31, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is this Hensley Ramirez you speak of?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't he on the Jeffersons?
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by JohnM on Dec 31, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was Sherman HEMSLEY
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by VegasCubFan on Dec 31, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant HANLEY Ramirez
not Headley Lamar
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by VegasCubFan on Dec 31, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's Heddy.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How did he do such fantastic stunts
with such little feet?
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by VegasCubFan on Dec 31, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Well, if Hendry pulls off a trade for Hanley Ramirez, I will personally buy him a dozen donuts everyday for the rest of his life. Hendry, I mean. Hanley will need to stay in shape.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From Dinky's Donuts?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, alright. Yeah, Dinky's.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now you're talking. With that, I'm out
of here. Have a great new year man. I’ll catch you on the flip-flop. Go Cubs Go!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Happy New Year, willie!
Catch you in the ’09!
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you meant Leona HELMSLY
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by JohnM on Dec 31, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For a second I meant Levon Helm
E street band
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by VegasCubFan on Dec 31, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's Cleavon Little.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hon
will you talk to the Beaver? He missed out on getting traded to the Cubs to play second base.
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by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm comin'
Vanessa!
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by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you know it
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MARSHALL as the 5th starter, preferably
At least he.s stretched out and can go longer at the beginning of the season. Maybe Shark can stretch during the 1st half and/or grab a spot start or two along the way
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by lostinthevines on Dec 31, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They don't make these moves...
…unless they had another deal in place. Maybe it’s Peavy. Maybe it’s someone we haven’t even heard of.
They obviously had to shed payroll to make a move. Also, this is a great sell high move by Hendry. Is DeRosa likely to repeat what he did?
I do think that we should have kept DeRosa if MB is going to play RF… because he could back up RF, too, and we could put Fontenot at 2nd.
by serbianking33 on Dec 31, 2008 1:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa was expendable
I like the deal.
I like DeRo too, he was a stand-up guy and a good player. But let’s remember that this is a business. His trade value has never been higher. The cubs have several other players who had similar offensive characteristics who are largely untradeable (D-Lee, I am talking to you). So it makes sense to let him go. It is unlikely that he would have a better season.
I hope the signing of Miles means that Fontenot will be given a shot as the primary 2b, with Miles spelling him at 2b vs. lefties.
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by Ross on Dec 31, 2008 1:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
It is a business, and Fontenot played like a poor man’s Chase Utley.
by serbianking33 on Dec 31, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very poor.
A homeless Chase Utley.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 31, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't go that far
.305/.395/.514 season Fontenot
.292/.380/.535 season Utley
Granted Fonteot’s ABs are mostly vs. RHP, but at his salary, it’s a good move to play him everyday at 2nd. His defense isn’t great, but neither was DeRosa’s. A 125 OPS+ would be great at 2nd base.
by serbianking33 on Dec 31, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're dreaming...
if you think Fonty will maintain those numbers for a full season, especially when hitting LHP.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Dec 31, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by lostinthevines on Dec 31, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Utley...
Was NL MVP, Fontenot has yet to be an everyday player for a major league team. I would go farther if I could.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 31, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming that would be the case.
Anyone have Miles’ splits vs. LHP?
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Batting right-handed
.284/.352/.704
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by Trey2317 on Dec 31, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind, I looked them up.
About the same vs RHP and LHP
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
.290 .321 .368
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Plus he is getting old and he failed miserably , both at the plate and in the field, in the playoffs the last couple years. He’s a great utility player and a great guy in the clubhouse. I know I will miss him. I just hope we can get something for these pitchers!
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
by Itchy on Dec 31, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So long Mark....sniff sniff.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 1:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stay classy, Mark.
You were, indeed, super.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.
by Bricks and Ivy on Dec 31, 2008 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn
This also means that Hendry traded the hottest baseball wife too.
by rlpete on Dec 31, 2008 1:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This comment is worthless without pics.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Search the FanShots
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by JohnM on Dec 31, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the link
http://www.fantasybaseballdugout.com/2008/11/11/hottest-baseball-wife-heidi-derosa/
It was a fanshot several months ago.
by rlpete on Dec 31, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Waa waa wee waa
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by lostinthevines on Dec 31, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet Sassy Molassy
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Impossible.
That would be Scott Podsednik’s wife.
"The only way of finding the limits of the possible is by going beyond them into the impossible." ~Arthur C. Clarke
by Goodie1969 on Dec 31, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to miss Mrs. DeRo as well
I’m a bit confused by this move, given our reluctance to part with him earlier.
I’m generally happy with our personnel decisions, but I don’t know what to make of this one yet. This seems to me to have to be part of a bigger deal. We’ll see. What if we could have made this move, and shipped these pitchers over to SD, along with Ceda, meaning we resigned Wood?
I love being an armchair GM
by jeffutlaw on Dec 31, 2008 1:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Armchair GM
= Best Job in the world :-)
When I grow up, that’s what I want to be
by serbianking33 on Dec 31, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does it pay like the real GM position?
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think it is Peavy
the young pitching is staying with the Cubs, and—like the other poster says—they wouldn’t go to FL for a hitter when they have a deal for Bradley in place.
by hoosiercubbie on Dec 31, 2008 1:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that should be
“the young pitching isn’t staying with the Cubs”
by hoosiercubbie on Dec 31, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully this means that Fontenot gets a lot of burn
I really, really hope that Hoffpauir is learning how to play right field.
by NittanyCub on Dec 31, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Forget it
One thing this does mean is that the Cubs are getting a new RF’er. Bradley, Dunn, Hermida or someone else, who knows but it won’t be Hoffpauir.
by rlpete on Dec 31, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm gunning for Bradley to man right field.
But, as said before, it’s highly unlikely that he’ll stay healthy. I’m hoping Hoffpauir gets around 40-45 games at right.
by NittanyCub on Dec 31, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're seriously hoping that?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't be serious.
Hoffpauir for 40-45 games in RF would be worse than Adam Dunn.
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really, really hope that Hoffpauir is learning how to play right field.
by NittanyCub on Dec 31, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he learns to play RF faster than Fonzie learns to play LF.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny, but not funny.
You REALLY don’t want to see a 29-year-old career minor league first baseman play 1/4 of the schedule in right field for a Cub team that presumes to be a pennant contender.
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
okay if those 40-45 games in RF are going to be for Iowa.
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by bobby h on Dec 31, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not, but I'd like to see him play a lot more than what he did last year.
Wishful thinking in the first place, anyways. I just want to see the man play.
by NittanyCub on Dec 31, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
We have a first baseman. Hoffpauir hasn’t proven he can pinch hit (7 K’s in 14 PH AB), so where is his value?
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by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Throw a slider
down and in, and watch him whiff wildly.
by serbianking33 on Dec 31, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking about Hoff or Soriano?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Serbian aid down and IN,
not down and AWAY. On second though, I guess they both apply…
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by lostinthevines on Dec 31, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thow a slider
low and away and watch Lee whiff pathetically
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by VegasCubFan on Dec 31, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs have an average first baseman with above-average
defensive ability who was given an insane contract with a 27 DP count last year. I’m not saying that Hoffpauir would do any better, because he probably wouldn’t, but the Cubs aren’t paying him 13/year. I’m going off into a tangent now, but all I’m saying is that I like Hoffpauir, and would hope that he gets more at-bats next season.
by NittanyCub on Dec 31, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would not call D-Lee's contract "insane".
That may be just a tad over the top.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now it is...
But after 2005, it looked like a bargain “home town discount”.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 31, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
About those double plays...
…I don’t have the specific data here in front of me, but DLee was put in an unusually large number of double-play situations this season. So his high GIDP rate was more a result of that – coupled with his increased ground ball rate – than any decline in his hitting ability. I also think he was injured.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont
mean to be rude but “double-play situations”??
You mean with men on base
by BCB1987 on Dec 31, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean with a man on first base.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There you go again, confusing us with the facts.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dat's how I roll.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we should wish
for him to be traded to the Pirates or the… you know I can’t think of a single team he’d actually be good on.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
by george
I think you’ve got it!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we're going to bring in a bad defensive OF
he better be able to rake. Hoff cannot rake in the majors. He’ll hit all sorts of home runs in AAA, but not in Chicago.
Drew, who do you want in RF?
by serbianking33 on Dec 31, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Fukudome in right and Pie/Reed in center.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you, Drew
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
by Emelie on Dec 31, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With Bradley coming and Johnson in the fold,
and Fukudome already here, is that the timer going off for Pie’s stay in Chicago? Methinks yes.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/
by lostinthevines on Dec 31, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
serbianking33 asked me what I wanted, not what I thought was going to happen.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed!
and I agree with Drew
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by VegasCubFan on Dec 31, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we know that
has HoffPOWER really had much of a chance in the majors?
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
73 ABs?
OPs of .934 in his first stretch in the majors? That’s pretty damn good
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
when put into clutch situations
he struck out. When put into clutch situations on defense, he sucked.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rookies do that sometimes
I wouldn’t write him off so soon- He is always going to look bad compared to D.Lee at 1B and he should be learning an OF position if he hopes to play in the majors over the next few years.
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Micah Hoffpauir
only qualifies as a rookie on paper.
He is always going to look bad compared to D.Lee at 1B and he should be learning an OF position if he hopes to play in the majors over the next few years.
There, fixed it for ya.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Um actually
Derrek Lee and David Ortiz spent 6 years developing in the minors…. its not the NBA
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no
if it were teh NBA, there’s be more arrests.
Hoffpauir is NOT GOOD.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoffpauir debuted at 28
Lee and Ortiz debuted at 21. Big difference.
by rlpete on Dec 31, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And therein lies the key...
Hoffpauir may have hit well in the minor leagues, but it took him too long to do so. He’s not the miracle cure to this LH slugging right fielder dilemma we’ve all been handed.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really really
REALLY do NOT understand the Hoff-love.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't understand the hate
he hits the ball well in the minors – so he should get more ABs in the majors…. 73 ABs is not enough to write a guy off
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno hit .300 his first year too
I don’t hate him but thinking he should be slotted as the starting RF’er or 1st baseman is crazy. At best, he gets the Darryl Ward spot. However, his PH performance last season wasn’t very good either.
by rlpete on Dec 31, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but I could
see him filling in for RF/LF or 1B…. he hasn’t proven he is an everyday starter, but his bat has to get tested in the majors
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do't hate him
I just don’t see how a 29 year old career minor league 1B can really be the answer to all that ails our lineup.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont worry!
I’ll save room for all of you on the bandwagon!
I don’t think it is a magic pill, but he has been stuck behind derrek lee…
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
for which we are all
eternally grateful.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Hanshin Tigers.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Surely
France has a baseball team…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and they are a collective 0-475....
they always seem to forfeit their games before the 4th inning.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
perfect for Hoffpauer.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a member of the Hanshin Tigers fan club
Just sayin’
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by VegasCubFan on Dec 31, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would much rather see
Theriot moved to 2B… with Fonty being our LH spark plug off the bench.
Only problem is: we need a real SS.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Dec 31, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of recommending a post?
Anyways, short stop isn’t a gaping hole for the Cubs right now. If Theriot can replicate what he did last year, I think they’ll be fine
by NittanyCub on Dec 31, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's agree to disagree about Theriot...shall we?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell's the matter with you guys?
by NittanyCub on Dec 31, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Started the champagne early, didn't they?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's going on here?
I’m not trying to cause a raucous. Sorry if it came out that way
by NittanyCub on Dec 31, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe just too much unspiked punch then.
Maybe it’s a sign we NEED to spike the punch?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine...well...except for a hangnail...oh yeah...and pinkeye...and
Pneumonia.
Consumption.
Leprosy.
Worms.
Gout.
Jaundice.
Typhus.
Distended scalp.
Gangrene.
Scurvy.
Dropsy.
Quinsy.
Distemper.
Plague.
Night sweats.
Corns.
Rickets.
Brackets.
Hardening of the arteries.
Elephantiasis of the knees.
Rheumatism.
Catarrh.
Dyspepsia.
Doldrums.
Croup.
Piles.
Lavender hysteria.
Deposits.
Torpid liver.
Spathic jaw.
Soreness of the parts.
The Crimean itch.
Earwigs.
Miner’s glans.
Scrofula.
Shingles.
Hoof and mouth disease.
Lymphatic chalking.
Other than that..I’m just peachy!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey!
my dad has pinkeye!
What? He’s going to be fine, thanks for asking…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ICK
For a second there, i thought this was another list of Milton Bradley’s injuries.
by Ron Trauma on Dec 31, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pictures. For each one. Now.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 31, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
standby...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
corns...yuck
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this will not end well...
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
:-)
Corns rarely do
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why did you do this to me?
on New Year’s Eve, no less! my eyes.
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
by Emelie on Dec 31, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and this was just corns. Wait until we get to jaundice or gangrene...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 31, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or the Crimean itch.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that anything like Little Sally Crotch Rot?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe SWL can post side-by-side pics...
…and show us the difference.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pneumonia.
Consumption.
Leprosy.
Worms.
Gout.
Jaundice.
Typhus.
Distended scalp.
Gangrene.
Scurvy.
Dropsy.
Quinsy.
Distemper.
Plague.
Night sweats.
Corns.
Rickets.
Brackets.
Hardening of the arteries.
Elephantiasis of the knees.
Rheumatism.
Catarrh.
Dyspepsia.
Doldrums.
Croup.
Piles.
Lavender hysteria.
Deposits.
Torpid liver.
Spathic jaw.
Soreness of the parts.
The Crimean itch.
Earwigs.
Miner’s glans.
Scrofula.
Shingles.
Hoof and mouth disease.
Lymphatic chalking.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Dear Gawd...
this horrible and impressive and scary all at the same time.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Word to the wise
DO NOT OPEN “GANGRENE!”
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OMG why didn't I listen???!!!
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
by Emelie on Dec 31, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha ha ha
Night sweats… ha ha ha ha
Dropsy… ha ha ha ha
Spathetic jaw… ha ha ha ha
Deposits… ha ha ha ha ha
Doldrums…
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So that's the Crimean Itch. Interesting.
And Night Sweats…niiiicce.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're insane.
:D
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Piles
is the best. Genius.
"The only way of finding the limits of the possible is by going beyond them into the impossible." ~Arthur C. Clarke
by Goodie1969 on Dec 31, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have a talent.
What kind, I do not know, but alas – a talent of some sort.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Dec 31, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What a way to go out in '08
Thanks for the work on that one. I got many a laugh! Someone owes you a pair of Cubs tickets for that effort.
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree as well.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miles
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/
by lostinthevines on Dec 31, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO BE POSITIVE
All I can say is this:
The Cubs FINALLY traded a guy when he had top value… instead of waiting for his trade value to erode.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Dec 31, 2008 1:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
did we get a good deal for him?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remains to be seen.
If the prospects can be flipped… then perhaps yes.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I specified this same sentiment on my Facebook page
“…lamenting the loss of Mark DeRosa. For now, at least.”
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/
by lostinthevines on Dec 31, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not
But hey, at least we are learning how to mix it up a bit, right?
Maybe one day we’ll trade a guy at his peak AND get a good deal!
by IllinoisCubs on Dec 31, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, I see
it’s an either/or kinda thing…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ain't done yet.
No way is Hendry done.
Just like the Gregg move, it ain’t done yet.
And to put even more suspense on it, with the economy and some FA prices dropping precipitously, we may not see the end of the trading until the last week of ST.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you think something
is going to happen with Gregg?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily moving him
but just getting him, at least to me, doesn’t signal Hendry is done with the ‘pen as some here thought originally. I simply believe that there’s more to do for the ’pen than just getting Gregg, even knowing Woody was going to sign somewhere else.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see
how the Indians didn’t get the best of this deal. Maybe they fleeced the Padres instead of the Cubs, but I’d rather be on their end of this deal.
DeRo is solid and those three no-names are suspect at best.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Top value doesn't mean squat if we don't actually receive that value in return
Sure DeRo’s trade value probably is as high as it’s ever going to be, but that doesn’t mean much if what we get in return isn’t comparable. I’m certainly willing to wait for the other shoe to drop ( or be thrown as the case may be) whether that be Peavy, Roberts, Hermida, or some other key component to the Cubs’ short-term success. But if those three Indians’ prospects are the end of this story, then top trade value didn’t mean diddley.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 31, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if this is the end of the story...
…I might have to advocate some shoes be thrown at the Cubs convention podium in a couple weeks.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DeRo
The curse of the Cubs Convention calendar continues. At least there’s only a day left in the month.
And we can construct a memorial to him at Wrigley immediately tomorrow – how often does that opportunity come around!
by 08Cubs on Dec 31, 2008 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We'll need to keep a close eye on the upcoming convention calendar...
… to see who’s going to be gone next offseason.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I promise to stay away from
certain cubs during the convention this year…
I pretty much sunk the cubs careers of RIch Hill, CPat, and Joe Boworski. After getting their autographs at the convention, their careers pretty much spiraled into a death spin with only Joe B attempting to pull out of it for a while.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 31, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you should give your passes to me?
I’m just saying!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The White Sox have already ordered a statue to honor DeRo.
Hell – they out those things up for everyone else, anyway – why not a Cub?
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/
by lostinthevines on Dec 31, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
None of these Tribe pitchers...........
………seem to be “top shelf”, so this looks like more of a salary dump than a “re-stocking” of the farm.
Regardless, I’m okay with moving DeRo. He’s not likely to perform as well in 2009 as he did last year, and I’m not convinced he was a clubhouse saint. His comments to the media were always carefully couched, like a guy running for office.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on Dec 31, 2008 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I do wonder if his comments
preceeding game 2 of the playoffs put him in bad graces with Lou. I would hope not but Lou seems to be the kind of guy who when he gets mad at ya, you stays mad at ya.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 31, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the case...
PLEASE let Lou be mad at Michael Wuertz.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Dec 31, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Weurtz = Howry
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wuertz is probably on the trade block.
He could go as part of a package.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well you cant get much for a 34 year old second baseman
I wouldve hoped for Asdrubal Cabrera at the very least
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 31, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade
If this trade is NOT part of a bigger deal than I don’t get it. If the Cubs were simply looking to move DeRosa, it really seemed like there were other takers out there in the Twins and Phillies. If that was the case the Cubs could have gotten something else that likely would have helped the Cubs more in the near future OR a better prospect for the long term. This deal only makes sense if they have another trade partner who wants these guys.
by dmlichte on Dec 31, 2008 1:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stevens
looks (by numbers) like a solid pitching prospect, but the other two look closer to roster filler.
I completely agree with your assessment. Further, i think Hendry should, if this is not a precursor to anything besides a Bradley signing, let the masses know not to expect Peavy or anything else.
If this is just a move to clear salary, couldn’t they have gotten a serviceable right fielder for DeRosa, and then not taken on Bradley for 3 years/30 mil or so?
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Dec 31, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry's not going to play his cards publicly.
And what “serviceable” RF would have been available for DeRosa?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinal fan here
Let me warn you about Miles. His defense is vastly overrated. The only place he is a good defender is at 2B. He’s not good at SS and 3B and is completely untested in the OF. Even at 2B he had a penchant for making his errors at exactly the wrong time. He was a favorite of TLR, though, so maybe that speaks to his clubhouse value…or not, depending on your perspective.
by raisin1 on Dec 31, 2008 1:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So...
He’s another Theriot?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lemme guess...
he triple clutches every throw?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn't throw at all
he relies on his scrappy speed to beat the runner to the bag. Yes, first base.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lets not give theriot any ideas
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When all else fails,
we lean on scrappiness.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/
by lostinthevines on Dec 31, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some day, scrappiness will rule all. We will bow to the scrap.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/
by lostinthevines on Dec 31, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So, you're saying
he is useful in a role if used properly. If overused or overexposed, all of the warts come out.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very bad move...
…watch these pitchers we got for DeRo not throw a single pitch for the Cubs. Hendry is doing a bad job this offseason. If we get Bradley, then to hell with Hendry.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Dec 31, 2008 1:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Indians...
are quickly becoming my second favorite team.
by kanderber on Dec 31, 2008 1:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hate it !!!
How in the heck do you trade away Mark DeRosa ?!? The guy was arguably the MVP of the Cubs the past two seasons.
Mike Fontenot as everyday 2nd baseman ?!? Good Lord. Lou Piniella played Fontenot VERY selectively in 2008 to the extreme advantage of his statistics. Now Jim Hendry thinks we can make him an everyday player ?!?
This is a salary dump. No question about it. We just gave the Cleveland Indians a gift. A gift that makes them the favorites to win the AL Central.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 1:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You trade a guy whos value has never nor will never be higher
after a career year on the wrong side of 30.
Not exactly a shock. And theres a lot of time left in the offseason. Hendry has more planned.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Miles is a butcher at 2nd base
Why o’ why do we pick up Aaron Miles ?!? I’m very, very sad right now.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Right, and...
… he’s not likely to be an everyday player.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they see a strict platoon of Fontenot and Miles
…as being acceptable given the money.
by Wreckard on Jan 1, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is sad news
we may get nothing from the pitchers and lose the versatility that was DeRo
by coral on Dec 31, 2008 1:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So here is your 2009 friggin Chicago friggin Cubs...
1. Soriano – LF
2. Kosuke / Johnson – CF
3. Lee – 1st
4. Ramirez – 3rd
5. Bradley – RF
6. Soto – Cat
7. Fontenot – 2nd
8. Theriot – SS
Rotation….Zambrano, Harden, Dempster, Lilly, Marshall
Pen…Marmol, Gregg, Shark, Gaudin, Vizcaino, Cotts, another lefty
====
I hate it.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 1:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
At least we still have Geovany Soto
for now
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All is lost.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cmon, Mike
there must be something else in the pike…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems pretty solid to me.
DeRosa’s gonna be missed, especially if someone gets injured any way along the season. What’s there to hate, really, besides Wood being gone? I like Marmol, Gaudin, Samardzija, and Cotts; I guess Gregg will be alright.
And who knows what’s going to happen in oncoming trades and signings.
by NittanyCub on Dec 31, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our middle infield are two over-achievers / Triple A ballplayers
I like Ryan Theriot. But an EVERYDAY middle infield of Theriot and Fontenot is something you see in Pittsburgh or Kansas City for crying out loud. Not on a team with a payroll north of $100 million !!!
Crane Kenney has lied through his teeth to Cub fans about the ability to be aggressive this winter and add modestly to payroll. The S.O.B. sold us a bill of goods.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I actually wonder if the next trade is Roberts and not Peavy
Miles replaces Cedeno who joins Fontenot and Pie in Baltimore.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Aaron Miles is STRICTLY a 2nd baseman. And a very lousy one at that. He can’t play shortstop or 3rd base.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miles plays SS as well as Theriot does.
As a backup, Miles is decent, not anything to write home about.
But Miles makes no sense on this roster if we didn’t think he could play SS.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go ask Cardinal fans if they think Miles can play shortstop
He can’t. Technically I’m sure he knows where the position is on the diamond, but that is it. Aramis Ramirez is a better option at shortstop than Miles.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Ramirez...
Who backs up Ramirez for days off now that Derosa is gone? Unless there’s someone I’m not seeing on our roster (or we dip down to AAA), it looks to be Miles for that as well. Not that Ramirez misses a lot of games, but…
by MarchHare on Dec 31, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go ask a Cubs Fan if they think Theriot can play shortstop
..
What to do, with Larry Hughe?
by Rudey on Dec 31, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Define "play"....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
looking over this there are two things
Stevens value is increased because he is cheap in depression economics economy so acquiring pitchers who are cheap possess multiples. Aaron Miles replaces a player currently on the roster (either Fonty or Cedeno or both) not DeRosa.
Looking at the Cubs their strength remains their starters even with Marquis traded and their weakness is the middle infield and top of the order. Roberts at $8M looks good and if he goes FA next year Cubs have back up with Miles (and Theriot) or even Spears.
So Peavy is not the target….unless during the season Padres truly punt. Roberts solves the top of the order if Bradley is signed with another Hendry special of back loaded 3yr deal.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Dec 31, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meaning Fontenot
goes back to Balt after all.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Ryan Theriot
was a sparkplug?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guy got on base 38.7% of the time.
Which is what I would think is wanted from a hitter in the 2-hole
by NittanyCub on Dec 31, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well,
part of the reason Lee hit into so many double plays is because something like 85-90% of that 38.7% of the time were singles.
But I never disliked Riot for his bat. His bat is ok. It’s the everything else I don’t like.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, not that much of an arm, or of anything, on the defensive side.
by NittanyCub on Dec 31, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can deal with all of his defensive downsides
(other than the double clutch on every throw), but its the lamebrain pick offs that kill me.
Seriously.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this feels like old times
Here we all are back to our ageless Theriot debate… makes me all misty eyed.
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
by Emelie on Dec 31, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all of this has happened before
all of this will happen again.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it is the last day of the year.
Out with the old, in with the new!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IMHO D-Lee hit into all those DP's
‘cuz he was over comping for the right wrist; yeah the one he broke in the Furcal collision in Apr, 2006. He tried all too often to pull the ball instead of keeping his hands back. I’d eye-ball the replay’s on high-def when he DP’d versus when he went away for instance and the difference was staggering.
This is only my hunch and I have no evidence, haven’t heard anything or the like. But it just seems like he’s trying to over compensate for that right wrist. It could also explain why his power was down a bit from ’04 and ’05.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sparkplug
or butt plug?
(too harsh? maybe)
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you may have crossed the line on this one.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying Santa crosses the line buddy?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dammit, man!
I’m in a professional environment here, and I’m gonna pull a muscle trying not to blow up with laughter!
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what the hell
is THAT?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I want to know.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's art. can'tcha tell?
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
by Emelie on Dec 31, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
SANTA CLAUS!
Pere Noel
Papai Noel
Viejo Pascuero
Dun Che Lao Ren
Kerstman
Joulupukki
Pere Noel
Weihnachtsmann
Kanakaloka
Mikulas
Babbo Natale
Hoteiosho
Julenissen
Swiety Mikolaj
Ded Moroz
Jultomten
Father Christmas
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like
Mrs Claus is in for a bumpy ride..
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 31, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mr.s Claus
is a lucky woman, sir!
Yes, she is!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can only hope that picture was taken outside an adult book store.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually when i look at this again
This team could still win the division
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so did the team we had
before we made any of those trades.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, but they couldn't win a playoff game,
hence the need to shake things up a bit.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do you think this team
can win a playoff game?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the team is not yet fully assembled
so I’m reserving judgement.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
at this moment...
no better than the debacle that ended 04-Oct. But as I mentioned in another post, this could go down to the last week of ST before the 25-man roster is truly set.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BFHD
The division is nothing. They have to look to be better starting with game #163.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Y'know the Yankees are lookin' pretty good next season.
Just sayin’.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot – SS
Lee – 1B
Bradley – RF
Soriano – CF
Ramirez – 3B
Soto – C
Fontenot – 2B
Kosuke/Johnson – CF
Formerly NO100
by jerry morales rules on Dec 31, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We lost
one of our best TV/Radio interviewing players that spoke with grace and humility and showed he was a college educated player. I’ll miss him, he gave us his best years.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Dec 31, 2008 1:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you know I would rather have bubbling interviewees and a WS champ
than good PR
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Dec 31, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Me too…
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That sound you hear is me puking
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/
by lostinthevines on Dec 31, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you listened to Zambrano/Barrett/Lee/etc. give interviews?
I liked hearing DeRo complete sentences.
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 31, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gag
if trading DeRosa can help us win the world series, i don’t care if they speak in german.
as long as the words translate somehow to “world f’n champs”… don’t care. and the fact that THIS is the first thing you though of bothers me on some fundamental level.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How does trading DeRosa help us win the world series?
And how is this the first thing I’ve thought of?
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 31, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How does trading DeRosa not help us win the world series?
by McRipper on Dec 31, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we didn't win it with him
if he’s the cost of winning the Series… I’ll take it.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, it takes away
a guy who could play at least five positions. It takes away one of our best hitters, and arguably, the best second baseman on the team. He was responsible for some of the few runs we did score in the post this year.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
i didn’t read up enough, I though you were mrcubsfan.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
one can say whether or not this is a bad deal yet. We won’t know until ST.
Everyone roll away from their computers and say it out loud: Mark DeRosa for 3 Minor League Pitcher.
I think there is undoubtedly more to come. Even if it is a salary dump, there were more takers for DeRosa that would have surely given the Cubs something they could put to use in 2009.
I also believe there is more to come, involving the 3 gents the Indians sent over for another reason:
Lou: Lou would stab Hendry in the neck with an icepick if he dealt DeRosa for the arms he did. We all know Piniella, as well as all of us wants to win now. He isn’t going to be around to see this trade pay off in the future. You think he would be anything short of appalled if thats how Jimmy dumped salary?
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Dec 31, 2008 1:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think Lou's appreciation of DeRosa
has been oversold by Lou of late. It does not match quotes and treatment over the past two years.
Lou knows who is a fan favorite.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It has
nothing to do with appreciation. It has everything to do with production. There is zero chance those three arms give Lou anywhere close to the production DeRo did. He wouldn’t allow it for the simple fact his team is progressively getting worse.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Dec 31, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
I don’t agree with the idea that Lou “loved” DeRosa or that he would complain if he was gone so long as the team was better when all was said and done.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is
why I say there is more to come.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Dec 31, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
more ingredients to this year's roster recipe
forget the salt and pepper
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Dec 31, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think about this.
Since the Peavy talks died (in the media) this has happened…
We’ve signed Gathright, making Pie expendable.
We’ve signed Miles, making DeRosa and/or Cedeno expendable.
We’ve traded DeRosa for three pitching prospects.
We’re supposedly getting ready to trade a starter, and free up money at the same time.
To me, this screams Jake Peavy.
Pie, Cedeno, three prospects for Jake Peavy. In other words, Pie, Cedeno, and DeRosa for Jake freaking Peavy!
by kanderber on Dec 31, 2008 1:56 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
eh
i don’t think a Peavy deal, assuming new ownership gave approval, would happen without Vitters in it.
by toonsterwu on Dec 31, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right...
but Hendry clearly has the upper hand here. The Pads need to dump him much more than the Cubs need to acquire him. Maybe Vitters was absolute at the winter meetings and Hendry told Towers to buzz off. Perhaps now Hendry has acquired three prospects that will replace Vitters, knowing Towers would sign off on it. . Things are certainly adding up and looking more and more likely to me.
by kanderber on Dec 31, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see Peavy happening.
With all the fuss having been made about Lou getting what Lou wants, why would Hendry go get an expensive luxury starter, a player Lou himself deemed unnecessary, with Piniella jonesing for a left-handed power bat?
Unless they have the cash to get Peavy and a bat, which everyone seems to agree is most definitely not the case, I really truly doubt Jake Peavy will be a Cub come opening day.
http://thegettinplace.blogspot.com/
by TheTruth11 on Dec 31, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If it does happen...
… now that there is some depth in the system, I hope it can be done WITHOUT including Vitters.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The stars are aligning
Please, please can Ronny Cedeno just go away
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Dec 31, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's a good chance of that
since Lou is not enamored with Ronny.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that a larger deal is in the works....
but Aaron? Fucking? Miles? Really?
He is a white Jose Macias.
Shame to see DeRo go. I think he really liked it here, and he certainly earned his paycheck.
/hoping that Peavy and Bradley deals round out the offseason.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Dec 31, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miles is a MUCH better player than Macias ever was.
Poor comparison.
by kanderber on Dec 31, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to get racial
but Aaron Miles is a white Theriot…
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 31, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Theriot
a white Theriot?
God. I’m confused.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I got two eyes workin and thought so
unless I’m missing something??
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ba-pssssht
Riot is a CAJUN. He is NOT, however, a Cajun Ninja.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now, THAT clarifies things!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I gauntee!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In La. we prefer
coonass
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hee!
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
by Emelie on Dec 31, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hi Em!!
Whats up?
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
waiting out the New Year
and here’s to a happy, healthy one for you and yours
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
by Emelie on Dec 31, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right back at you.
:-)
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah...now
you see the genius of this signing. :).
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 31, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
please deposit one Eckstein
before continuing.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahahaha
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 31, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Parden my french
but this is such a bad fucking move. It seems that we are trading away all these chips we would have used to get Peavy for players that might not even make it to the majors. While I never thought we’d get the Peavy deal done, I’d rather have done that than gotten these type of players. And Aaron Miles?!?!?! You gotta be kidding me!
Hendry, you better be planning something good, or else this whole off season is YOUR fault
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 1:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WTF?!?!?!
I’m really gonna have to tie one on tonight.
by TheRamZamDLEE on Dec 31, 2008 1:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I am
still trying to figure this one out
by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
me too...
boy this is gonna make for some interesting talk tonight and tomorrow during the breaks in the winter classic.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly
I am a Cubs fan lost in the wilderness known as Braves land, so no water cooler talk for me. Sniff>>
by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you think you have it bad?
trying dealing with Nationals//Orioles fans, I mean damn..
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I submit to you St Louis Cardinal fans
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You poor thing
I think I do have it better, at least there is only ONE mediocre team here
by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I also have the occasional Yankee fan at school who is obnoxious
but there are one or two Cub fans that I can discuss issues with
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We got crap from Cleveland
As best as I could I have examined the credentials of the three pitchers we received from Cleveland. NONE are eye-popping.
THIS IS A FRIGGIN SALARY DUMP!!!! Crane Kenney LIED !!!! Lied very, very, very badly.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 1:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A side comment on the prospects
They aren’t THAT bad.
Stevens – possible setup arm.
Archer/Gaub – Two very projectable arms. Gaub is more intriguing, because before the draft in 06, he was a hard-tossing lefty that flashed three plus pitches. I don’t think his velo has come back fully yet, though, but I could be wrong. Archer is like Justin Berg – one very good pitch. In this case, though, I think it’s his curve (IIRC?) Both are projectable arms.
Now in saying that, I don’t like this trade unless this leads to something else, as those pieces don’t fit for us.
by toonsterwu on Dec 31, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and they project cheap for 2010-2013
projecting players for 2010-2013 will be more valuable since those will be surviving years for many in the BIG SHOW
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Dec 31, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe people are being just a bit dramatic about this trade?
Let’s just wait to see what else Jimbo has up his sleeve. I’m reserving judgment until the final picture is clearer; it seems rather fuzzy right now.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 1:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't agree more...
…this is a precursor to add bigger pieces, and I’ll sit back and see what happens from here.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Dec 31, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This has to be the case.....because right now this move has no logic on its own.
New sig currently under construction
by JB 23 on Dec 31, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry this off season thus far has:
-dumped a franchise face, great closer, and one of the best arms in our pen
-dumped arguably our 2nd best hitter last season and most versatile player
-downgraded this team by pretty much swapping Gathright and ditching Pie
great plan, Jim! I usually don’t criticize, but seriously, what the hell is he doing?
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
drinking
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
spiked or unspiked punch?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think he is even bothering with punch
he is drinking straight for the bottle.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Undoubtedly
SPIKED, just like the deal we got from trading DeRo.
by chrisw95 on Dec 31, 2008 2:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hope the Cardinals are getting worse...
Because it doesn’t look like we’re improving.
Face it: this team peaked last season anyway.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Dec 31, 2008 2:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
aren't there
Better ways to clear salary than to trade away one very productive and versatile 2nd baseman making 5 mil in the last year of his contract, get some marginal prospects, and then pay out 4.5 mil over 2 years for a less-productive, less-versatile 2nd baseman? If you were so desperate to shed salary, why not have one of the players you get back be a near-major league ready 2nd baseman or utility infielder that makes $300k?
I guess I am saying that this wouldn’t make much logical sense unless it was a precursor to another deal.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Dec 31, 2008 2:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Amen brother
Crane Kenney and Jim Hendry have angered me greatly.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If money is so tight that you have to trade DeRo's 5 mill for Miles' 2.5 mill
Then why sign a guy like Gathright when you have Pie? Or trade for Gregg when you have Ceda/Wuertz/Hart/etc
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 31, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta have a taker on the other end
and also be a player the Cubs can afford to let go.
So for the other end of things, teams won’t be lining up to take one of our 8-digit salary a year guys (and paying the whole thing too) due to the budget restraints so many teams are having. Then the other players that are cheap but a totally valuable to the Cubs (e.g. Soto or Marmol), the Cubs simply would not part with now.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
First of all, you may as well go ahead and jump start the “Can O Worms” post on Aaron Miles. To give this guy $2.5 million per year with the skill set he has is laughable.
Secondly, there is absolutely no way DeRosa is dealt unless it is for the sake of acquiring another front line player (read: Peavy). Otherwise, if this is a salary dump made by a large market team, you may as well save the ink on the World Series tickets for 2009. These three moves, signing of Miles, trade of Marquis and trade of DeRosa, in a vaccuum, do not make the Cubs better. In fact, they make them worse. A sum of the parts analysis, which might be more appropriate in time, and with the inclusion of Peavy is another story. But right now, these three moves are arguably awful…at best.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Dec 31, 2008 2:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
$2.5 million is chump change in today's market.
He’s going to be better than a Can o’ Worms guy. I don’t think he’s being expected to be an everyday player, or even get 300 at-bats. He’s a backup.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If $2.5m is chump change in today's market (and I agree with you about that)
….then why let Blanco leave if he has meant so much to the development of Soto and is such a strong clubhouse guy? It certainly has been inferred that he was too expensive to keep at $3.1m….
New sig currently under construction
by JB 23 on Dec 31, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It may be that...
… Blanco is laying low, not thinking about baseball right now because of the murder of his brother.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was convinced that the Peavy deal was dead until today
I mean, honestly, what else is there to do? Its obvious now that Bradley will be signed to play RF because there is no DeRosa to play it.
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bradley will be Jacque Jones Part 2
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Dec 31, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hope not, but given his history
I’d rather have Jones..
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do all black people look the same to you?
Because that is an asinine comparison.
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 31, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The two players have virtually nothing in common...
so I’m not exactly sure what comparison you’re making.
by SouthernCub on Dec 31, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It could be that
he is assuming that Bradley does not meet the expectations of management or his contract…i.e. he is comparing him to bad free agent signings which some people feel that JJ was.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 31, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't going to be convinced
until April 6th (opening day) and even then, that would only be a 3 month or so suspension.
My guess is Al is gonna have to buy one of the other posters here a dinner. Hey, ever hear of Mendy’s?
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BLou
Thankfully, for all of us, you’re not
by leothelip on Dec 31, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You never know
They both hate Cedeno and Pie, they both have a fiery temperment, and they both have a massive hard-on for power pitching…
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 31, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh too bad I'm not 21 :(
might not stop me tonight..
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not 21 either
and it’s not going to stop me, brah!
:P
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not 21 either
“I’m a man! I’m 40!” and I will be drunk very soon.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Dec 31, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Waitaminute.
Chan you’re note 21? Nor are you drew? I thunk otherwise…
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jan 1, 2009 1:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Drew is over
21. He has a kid 8-9 years old.
by sue369 on Jan 1, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, its Amatuer Night anyway
You don’t want to drink tonight. Too many cops around and too many fools.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was joking :D
kind of, maybe…perhaps..
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+10
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Daver!
How’re things?
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get to deliver pizzas tonight
and share the road with the drunkys. Increased potential profit = hazard pay.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/
by lostinthevines on Dec 31, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
eh, well technically I'll be legal this year!
hurray!
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, in the eyes of a few here...
every FA has signed and the trade deadline has passed. I’ll reserved a final judgment until this offseason can be judged in its entirety.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
are you happy with the current state of the Cubs?
Right now, who knows if there will be changes? This could be Hendry’s plan going into Spring Training. Are you content with this current roster?
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem that a lot of us have with these moves is that reports are saying these moves are made to clear salary
Not to trade for Peavy,but just to sign Milton Bradley. I’m a huge fan of Bradley, but not at the expense of Mark DeRosa
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Understood.
But there isn’t a chance in hell JH was going to come out and say “We’re moving Derosa to land Roberts, Peavy, Hermida, etc”
Yes, there is a chance this is all about payroll, but I don’t think we can be sure just yet.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
$2.5 friggin million for Aaron friggin Miles
They are getting a jump start on the New Year’s Eve festivities in St. Louis this afternoon !!! Aaron Miles SUCKS. He plays one position on the diamond and plays it very badly. His claim to fame is being 5’2" with about 14 pounds of tobacco in his cheek when he goes up to hack / hit.
It’s a dark day in Cubdom. Please let the sale of the Cubs to the Ricketts family conclude soon.
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 2:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have talked to a few Cardinals fans today who are all upset about losing him
Meanwhile we are all pissed about getting him.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Know what you're talking about before you spew your drivel...
He doesn’t SUCK. He plays league-average defense, hit .317, and plays multiple positions. An average but versatile player.
But by all means write him off with ill-informed comments. And he has the audacity to put tobacco in his mouth! He MUST suck.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Miles
off the bench
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, vivaelbirdos.com isn't that happy about Miles joining the Cubbies.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Dec 31, 2008 2:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
STL fans love to latch on to medicore crap players and turn them into something else
A lot of people in cardinal land honestly believe they lost a valuable player today, but they are all morans
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 31, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seen this before
What is a “moran”?
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew a Moran in high school
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Body of work
Gone…Kerry Wood, Jason Marquis, Mark DeRosa (sob), Henry Blanco, Jose Ceda, Felix Pie
Added…Kevin Gregg, Aaron Friggin Miles, Milton Bradley, 3 Stooges out of the Cleveland system, some backup catcher (probably Paul Bako, because you can never have enough Bako on hand)
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 2:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow. You're making me depressed. Maybe it's time for me to drink a bit early, too?
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Dec 31, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blanco?
When did Blanco leave? (I’ve really not been paying attention to baseball)
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We declined his option
no word on him coming back yet. Suspect that he will be too expensive…
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 31, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Marquis official
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nope.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that has to happen B4 bring in Peavy
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In one of the articles I read,
it said Jason is on a family vacation and he would take a phyiscal when he returned home. Then the deal would be official.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
starting to get repetitive.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you can say that again.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you can say that again
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
starting to get...
oh, I see whut u did thar…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Un Tss Un Tss Un Tss Un Tss Un Tss
Yo listen up here’s a story
about a little guy that lives in a blue world
and all day and all night and everything he sees
is just blue like him inside and outside
blue his house with a blue little window
and a blue corvette
and everything is blue for him and hisself
and everybody around
cos he ain’t got nobody to listen to
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Starting?
“ooh doom and gloom!” Ugh.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it certainly
it certainly is
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the cold weather is getting to people.
Cabin fever is setting in. Spring Trainig can’t come fast enough!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where's KOW when we need her?
Where’s KOW when we need her?
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
by Emelie on Dec 31, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know!
The one time we really need repetition and she’s not here to indulge us.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
premature speculation
these prospects are going elsewhere..
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 2:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
nothing more disappointing than....
premature speculation.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Premature speculation? Look, this is the first time I've done it. I'm terribly sorry. Really...
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Dec 31, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It happens to every guy once in a while.
I mean, this stove is really HOT.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If this leads to Peavy...
I just might speculate in excitement.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just don't do it over your keyboard.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Dec 31, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is is too much to ask for Roberts and Peavy
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Freak.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am all for...
trading a guy a year early as opposed to a year too late i.e. Derrick Lee. Lets face it, at 34 he is likely to start to decline. But I really thought the value of DeRosa was much higher. At least a major league player and then a couple minor league arms at least. The next move is paramount to the off season and upcoming season success.
by Chuck12570 on Dec 31, 2008 2:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Moves have to be made
Sometimes you have to give up value to add value. It’s evident that the Cubs wanted to shave about $8M in salary, which is why DeRo and Marquis are leaving. That frees up money for a bat in right field, hopefully Abreu. IMO there’s too much baggage with Bradley; a 2 year contract with Abreu would be preferable. Best of luck to DeRosa, I’m glad that he and Kerry went to my second-most favorite team.
by eamus-catuli on Dec 31, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Does Hendry have a press conference planned for today?
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
no
he’ll wait till he signs that LH
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 2:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
sheesh looks like my AL team is now the Indians
first Wood, now DeRosa. Indian fans are licking at their chops
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've always liked the indians, at least.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The futility Tribe fans have experienced
make them the AL kin of Cub fans.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh. Maybe
But they still have a DH. which to me says they don’t really play baseball.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, snap.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The 5 Team Trade
It has been mentioned that to get Peavy there would have to be something like a 4-5 teams involved. So far Colorado, St.Louis, Cleveland and Chicago. Can San Diego be added to the list?
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Dec 31, 2008 2:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
can we make add in Baltimore?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What the heck.
Let’s get them ALL involved. A 30-team deal. Never been done before. C’mon Jim, get to that cellphone and make a conference call!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 31, 2008 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We could have AT LEAST signed Abreu to a 2 year deal with the salary space we have
giving us a lineup with BOTH DeRosa and a LH bat. This better be good Hendry, it better be good..
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Abreu?
Abreu would be worse defensively in right than Soriano is in left. Abreu’s power has been on the steady decline as well. Bradley in 80 games and an average replacement player would give you more production than 162 games of Abreu.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Dec 31, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Furthormore, I was glad that we weren't going to get Peavy because we'd give up so much
Apparently Hendry is trying to get rid of those players and NOT get Peavy!
BCB Works Miracles: It saved my English grade!
by Chanman25 on Dec 31, 2008 2:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or add several OTHER pieces to the system we've all been complaining about
Chan. Chill out. I’m not thrilled by the idea of losing DeRo either, but its Hendry. He’s not a dummy.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hendry is having a teleconference right now
as soon as the score gives some sound bites i will type them up
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 2:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Looks like people need to start their New year festivities
Relax people. Look at the calendar. It is only December 31st. The off-season is not over. Wait until spring training to:
- Sell your season tickets.
- Blame Hendry for intentionally trying to make the Cubs worse.
- Declare the 2009 season over.
It’s only December 31st. Relax and have a drink.
by rlpete on Dec 31, 2008 2:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
or, you know.
sell your season tickets to me.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying throw in the towel but why would you trade away DeRosa
DeRosa can play any where and led the team in runs.
by Mr.Cub on Dec 31, 2008 2:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Take away the fact you like DeRosa
he had a career year on the wrong side of 30, his value is as high as it has ever or will ever be… why WOULDN’T you trade him for some talented youngsters?
And use the reply button.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the problem isn't the trade
the problem is what we got BACK. “Talented youngsters” isn’t necessarily right.
IF… IF this is a deal that gets flipped, then we’ll see. But if he was just traded for three minor league pitchers? Huge waste.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its still early
and i don’t like being negetive on NYE.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's fine.
just don’t be overly positive, either.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the indians are stocked on pitching
the fact that they haven’t hit the majors yet in their system tells me nothing. and the scouts like them, and its HENDRY. he’s always got something in the works.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
alright.
fair enough. We’ll see, right?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
well, i’ll probably hear about it. :-P
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly why you trade him away: Because he has value.
He doesn’t appear to have brought much in return – but the game’s not over.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To all the ledge jumpers
It might make a little sense to wait and see what Hendry does with these prospects before you start crying the season is lost. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Jim Hendry and the Cubs know an assload more about baseball than anyone on this site.
Get a grip!!
by McRipper on Dec 31, 2008 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No way the season is over we still have a great line up but
this trade is not going to help anything
by Mr.Cub on Dec 31, 2008 2:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It will if Jake Peavy is in the starting five on opening day.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Peavy is in the line up the trade will help but if he's not it didn't help much unless one of the
3 youngsters we got step up
by Mr.Cub on Dec 31, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Might not be a bad trade
DeRo will command some major dollars after 2009, assuming he has another good year. You want to trade a guy when he has max value, perhaps one day he will finish out as a Cub, he deserves it.
Stevens has quality stuff, way more strikeouts than innings pitched or walks (http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2008/01/jeff-stevens.html.) He could augment our bullpen in 2010 or 2011. Chris Archer clearly is a throw-in, he has not been impressive as an Indian farmhand. John Gaub (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LQw_vYb4sk) is a lanky lefthander with a “free and easy” motion; he clearly needs to put on some weight/muscle but he might have a future in this game.
Clearly Stevens is the main guy the Cubs got.
by eamus-catuli on Dec 31, 2008 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We are in "win now" mode...
I don’t give a shit about these prospect playing for the Cubs quite frankly.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Dec 31, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one cares about these prospects. If this deal will get us Peavy or Dunn, it will
be worth it.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No impact for Dunn
he’s a FA; Peavy? Now that’s a different story.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 31, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Archer
Don’t write him off. He just turned 20 so he isn’t some minor league filler. His H/IP and K/IP were good, not great. His problem is control. If the Cubs can help him there, he might be ok or better.
by rlpete on Dec 31, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He needs to work on his mechanics, if that vid is any indication
Maybe with a new coach he will pick up some velocity. He looks all arm and no lower body.
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 31, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miles might be a good fielder but
he won’t add much hitting
by Mr.Cub on Dec 31, 2008 2:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The opposite is true
He is a decent hitter and a not so much fielder
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's a lover and a fighter. You heard it here first.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miles is just a journeyman hack. Nothing exceptional stands out about him.
He’s a cardinal reject, for christ’s sake,
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and look how the last Cardinal castoff worked out for us.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least Jedmonds had a track record. Miles is a JAG.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please stop with this Hermida bull
he is not that great of a player and will never be. He’s injury prone (for all you Injury prone people) and strikes out way too much. Al tell me why this isn’t a pre cursor to a Peavy deal. They didn’t need to trade DeRosa to sign Bradley. With the Marquis deal, it would have done the deed.
Sure the payroll will be high, but I think there’s no reason why the new ownership would not allow them to try to win it all. With that being said, Milton Bradley is pretty much a cub and hopefully Jake peavy will soon be one as well.
by lexmarklover on Dec 31, 2008 2:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much every report has said the DeRo move was a salary dump not related to Peavy
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That to me says its probably IS related to Peavy
the Peavy trade is only going to go down out of the media. Every trade I can think of has happened swiftly without much publicity from Hendry.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
There were several reports since the winter meetings that Peavy negotiations would not continue publicly.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a salary dump if you are clearing space to pick up
a name player. Salary dump means you just want to save money. I don’t believe the Cubs are in that mode.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Hendry
show his hand??
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, yes. He's got hand!
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And he's gonna need it.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome show!
Don’t forget about Festivus! (I believe you may see this pole at the Roxie)
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Festivus: For the rest of us!
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go to the pole
air your greviances
Check out my Cubs shrine: http://picasaweb.google.com/vegascubfan/CubsRooms#
by VegasCubFan on Dec 31, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on George, festivus is in your blood!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
George, stop crying and fight your father!
New sig currently under construction
by JB 23 on Dec 31, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Chicago sports writers try to help out the Cubs
Jim tells them to write about it being a salary dump, and they do to lay the smokescreen. I mean, they work for the same company.
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 31, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they add Bradley,
they aren’t trading for another outfielder. They have too much invested in Fukudome..
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Dec 31, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Buy low; Sell High
I hope this is the case or we will look back and say JH was HIGH to have traded him.
Seriously though, SD’s GM Tower’s better have named at least 2 if not all 3 of these guys as prospects he would want to complete the JP trade.
They will add Bradley to reach the stated ‘max payroll’ and then make the Peavy deal and blow that budget out of the water.
Just my thoughts…
by BartlettBob on Dec 31, 2008 3:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hendry
“very good prospects that we value highly”
“derosa is a great player that the indians will enjoy”
so really nothing much said
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 31, 2008 3:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't you just love GM speak?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IF this is Peavy related
and that’s a big IF, I think JH and KT learned their lessons with being so open to the media the first time around that they would keep this on the DL. Pure speculation by me.
by McRipper on Dec 31, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm baffled
Why on earth get rid of DeRosa? He’s an above average multi-position player!
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's going to be a FA next year and he's on the backside of 30. His value will
never be higher. I think the team can survive without him.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose
But dang nab it, what a nucleus the club had going into this season. Why mess it up?
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there was little problem last October...
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon
you certainly don’t expect that to happen again do you? …wait
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Coming from a Mets fan who watched a historic meltdown two years a row..
haha
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Touche'
my little half-wit
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
remember this?
our last world series title was taken in color photography. how about yours?
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, chill.
I think she was only joking.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, she knows i'm messin
cubs fans are tough. i kid because i love
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're tough because we;re steeled by the heat of losing. Forged
by the furnace of defeat. Hardened by the……………oh the hell with it!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh! I know what you're hardened by!
LOL!
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now, now, I resemble that statement.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My friend
This is the kind of qualitative discourse that I can get behind.
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't let you behind me if you paid me!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I would be kind enough to give you ample opportunity for a reach around
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I like the way this is heading.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you two just get a room? :-)
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Dec 31, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm staight. Not that there's anything
wrong with that.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you are in Chicago
and I “were” in Chicago, I’d buy you a “slice”, a 6 pack of PBR and a fine cigar. Then, we’d go to Oprah’s house and film each other playing a game of Twister covered in Nutella.
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to say
“that’d hurt if… you hadn’t had your guts ripped out the last 2 years”.
Met fans really kill me. How one group of people can be so arrogant is really beyond me. I’ve never met a Met fan who wasn’t a terminal a-hole.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"terminal a-hole"....that a redundant phrase.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 31, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey!
they’re not all exit only, ya know…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because we want to win the WS.
What a move to trade 2 of the top fan faves.
I am just thinking off all of those Wood / DeRosa shirts/jerseys in the Bleachers….
by BartlettBob on Dec 31, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes you have to give up a good piece to get a better piece.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just so long
as we get that other piece.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fine, fine word manipulation there my friend
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wasn't talking about this trade either.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+.9
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what New Year's Eve at Roxie's is like.
Oh, sorry, did I just say that out loud?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing like having a few boobs shking in your face.
Oh, sorry, did I just say that out loud?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, you did write it out loud though
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great trade if...
Those 3 are a primary component to another BIG deal.
or
One of those 3 contribues long term on the big league roster.
by BartlettBob on Dec 31, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
It just seems as if teams tend to tinker with a great thing for the prospect of something in the future, never for the now.
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if Peavy (or perhaps, dare I say, Roberts) is the target...
…then Hendry is most assuredly “tinkering for the now.”
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So Peavy is back on?
Is that what you’re saying? Or is this mere conjecture?
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is conjecture...
…but not “mere” conjecture. It is grandiose, sweeping, GLORIOUS conjecture.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ah!
that’s better. :-)
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and we have read it on the internet
so it must be true
Check out my Cubs shrine: http://picasaweb.google.com/vegascubfan/CubsRooms#
by VegasCubFan on Dec 31, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked DeRosa and I hate to see him leave
but hopefully it will work for us in the long run.
by Mr.Cub on Dec 31, 2008 3:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's what I don't get.
You’ve got something good now, why mess it up
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's 34 yrs old.
He’s going into his last year of his deal. He’s going to ask for huge money if he produces next year.
by lexmarklover on Dec 31, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
correction
he’s 33 yrs old
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
correct
but when he starts the season he will be 34
by lexmarklover on Dec 31, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
now that's like picking gnat $hit out of pepper
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree and disagree.
Yes its good…GREAT by Cubs standards.
But we want to WIN THE FRIGGIN WHOLE DAMN THING.
We have been very good these past two seasons but have fallen short both postseasons.
Look at the NLC…with all of the subtraction happening around us, this is JH’s chance to roll the dice a little make something big happen.
Let’s win the whole damn thing….
by BartlettBob on Dec 31, 2008 3:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Eh
I’m off. Happy New Years everyone!!
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 31, 2008 3:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Keep your head up..
JH has a big move up his sleeve.
by BartlettBob on Dec 31, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Party on!
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Party on, Garth!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 31, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Hendry will be on XM 175 (Home Plate)
in a bit. (Missed it if they said they exact time.) I think he will be on The Show which is on until 5:00 CT.
I’ll post if he says anything interesting.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 3:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My a$$ is there!
C’ya!
"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, they just said in about an hour
so sounds like about 4:30 PM CT.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy is on XM right now!
Here’s some highlights:
How tough was it to trade DeRosa?
Jim: Toughest trade since he became a GM
Why trade Mark?
Jim: Cubs are a little right handed, he has only 1 year left on deal, makes bullpen stronger.
What about Brian Roberts?
Jim: No talks with Baltimore this year. Thinks Baltimore will keep Roberts.
Is he going to Hockey game?
JIm: Out of town in Louisiana at brothers.
What about the Soriano postseason struggles?
Jim: He had 3 bad games, Sori is streaky.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 31, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
I really hope this obsession with right-handedness vs. left-handedness doesn’t hurt this team’s chances.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OH NO!
Mark DeRosa is gone! Too bad Geovany Soto, Alfonso Soriano, Aramis Ramirez, and all those other awesome hitters on the Cubs are gonna be terrible!
Oh, wait…
CUBS WIN! CUE THE ORCHESTRA!
by Keith on Dec 31, 2008 3:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hard to not feel pessimistic
Viewed as a swap of utility players the Cubs came out on the short end. DeRo is much more valuable, and provides some real pop over Miles. Especially if you think, as I do, that the Cubs should be considered favorites to win the NL Central in 2009. This does have the feel of a salary dump.
I also question who backs up Ramirez?
by Nibbles on Dec 31, 2008 3:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Miles, I guess. Or Cedeno if he's still on the team.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 31, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
San Diego needs a SS
Just saying.
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
by JohnM on Dec 31, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we have a major league SS to give them? There's...umm...Cedeno, Theriot....
Just askin’…
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Dec 31, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since when is
San Diego a major league team? Their payroll won’t be major league in 2009.
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
by JohnM on Dec 31, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. I forgot we were talkin' about the Padres.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Dec 31, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if this is a precursor to another deal
I hope it is, but I think the Cubs are trying to get more (and I hate this next word) scrappy on offense. I really like DeRosa, but offensively he was redundant to guys like Ramirez, Lee, and Soto. I think that Hendry was trying to change the flavor of the Cub offense as much as anything else. The same goes for Gathwright.
I hope there is another deal, but I wouldn’t guarantee it.
Formerly NO100
by jerry morales rules on Dec 31, 2008 3:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
you don’t exchange DeRosa for Miles just to “change things up”.
It is a precursor to another deal.
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
by JohnM on Dec 31, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right
This seems like a lightweight move and the on the field product is at least slightly worse. For the record, what I mean by a precursor to another deal does not include a FA signing. I could see this as part of a salary dump to get Bradley.
I’m just saying that I’m not convinced that another trade is going to happen.
Formerly NO100
by jerry morales rules on Dec 31, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even Muskat said
Clearly, something else is coming.
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
by JohnM on Jan 1, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
redundant?
when you have multiple guys driving in runs, that’s not redundant, that’s GOOD.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that is good
But one of the reasons why the Cubs were beaten in the playoffs was because similar hitters followed each other in the order and they were able to be effectively neutralized, especially after Soriano consistently made outs leading off. It all fell like dominoes.
Redundancy is outstanding if they can consistently drive in runs. I think the playoffs proved that they can’t. Consistency is the key.
Formerly NO100
by jerry morales rules on Dec 31, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so leading the NL in runs
all year doesn’t show consistancy, but not being able to score runs in two three-game post-season series shows inconsistency?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon man
Don’t take things out of context. Forget the three games. Think more about the fact that the team that played the playoff games was able to be effectively game planned against after Soriano consistently made outs. The team that was constructed couldn’t make adjustments because they were redundant pieces. They were far too reliant on a one dimensional attack and that weakness was exposed during the playoffs.
In retrospect,the team was very well constructed for the regular season, but they were poorly constructed for a short series. I think these moves helps them be more resilient during a short playoff series while I freely acknowledge that it makes them somewhat worse during the regular season. .
Formerly NO100
by jerry morales rules on Dec 31, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reflections
from the Cards on the Miles Signing… The Gateway to Nowhere
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 31, 2008 4:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cub Fan Hysteria
Why is it every time we make a trade it is tagged as a HORRIBLE move by most Cub fans? DeRo was a solid player who had a career year in 2008. He wasn’t the savior of the franchise despite hitting a wind-blown homer in the playoffs. He will be missed but not as much as some people think. This is either a precurser to a Peavy deal or a chance for Lou to balance out the lineup with Miles and Bradley adding two lefty bats. After watching our righty lineup get dominated by the mediocre Dodgers pitching staff it is pretty clear we need some decent left-handed bats.
I am really hoping for Peavy to be the conclusion of all these deals because it’s obvious to me that we also need a another dominate starter in the playoffs to make a run. The difference between DeRosa and Miles is maybe a couple regular season wins but it won’t crush this team.
by LerxstCub on Dec 31, 2008 4:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Watch much baseball...
You do realize that the Dodgers led the National League in pitching. If you think they are mediocre, we must be downright terrible.
The problem this creates is that our lineup is now dependent on productions from suspect contributors. We don’t know what Fontenot will do as an everyday player. We don’t know if Dome will rebound. We don’t know if we sign Bradley if he will stay healthy. We don’t know if Fonzie will stay healthy. If you surround DLEE, ARAM, and Soto with less productive players their production is bound to drop off as teams pitch around them to get to the lesser known quantities.
We don’t know how Dero would have been in 09 but if you base your risk assessment off his production the last three years…he was less of a gamble.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 31, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I do
Do you realize that the Dodgers play in the most pitcher-friendly park in the majors? They are always among the top rated pitching staffs statistically. Bottom line – when you have an offense as good as the Cubs did last year you shouldn’t be shut down by the Dodgers staff. Did YOU see what the Phillies did to that amazing Dodgers pitching staff? Of course the Phillies have some left-handers that can actually hit. That was my point.
by LerxstCub on Dec 31, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
The home/road stats support that claim. But do you really think that one left handed hitter would have made that much of a difference in that series. We gave up 7 and 10 runs in the first two games. We could have had a lineup with 9 left handed hitters, asked to use the DH, and we probably still would have lost those games.
Likewise, In the season series against the Dodgers all but 2 of the games were what I would consider pitching duels. We should have been prepared for this…
I am fine with getting more left handed but they need to be careful not to regress in other areas such that the gains of the left handed bat are neutralized by the losses in other areas.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 31, 2008 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
the Harden trade wasn’t tagged as “horrible” by most people. Neither was the Dome deal.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 31, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dome wasn't traded for
Harden was an exception to the common occurrence of trashing each and every deal like it is the end of the world.
by LerxstCub on Dec 31, 2008 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For right now I'm pretty lukewarm about this.
I think the first thing to keep in mind is that the Cubs seem to be moving at their own pace, nobody else’s. They don’t have to field a team for several months, and so they’re going to make sure they get the best deals they can, both in trade and free agency.
The deals seem reasonable in and of themselves, and with Fontenot in place DeRosa was starting to look a little superfluous. The Cubs have some extra trading chips and some additional salary room, and so we’ll have to see what they do with it.
by cwyers on Dec 31, 2008 5:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why do I get the feeling that Miles is the starting 2nd baseman and Fontenot remains on the bench
by BLou on Dec 31, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah.
Miles is the new Cedeno.
Orlando Hudson could be the 2B.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 31, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs