Cubs Add Miles, Subtract DeRosa
by Al
on Dec 31, 2008 1:02 PM CST
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As we enter 2009 tonight, the Cubs have made two major league roster moves, signing infielder/outfielder Aaron Miles to a two-year deal, and trading the popular Mark DeRosa to the Indians for three minor leaguers (no cubs.com link yet, but the following is from the official press relase):
photo via nbcsportsmedia2.msnbc.com
The Chicago Cubs today acquired right-handed pitcher Jeff Stevens, left-handed pitcher John Gaub and right-handed pitcher Chris Archer from the Cleveland Indians for infielder Mark DeRosa. Stevens has been added to the Cubs’ 40-man roster.
"We are thrilled to acquire three strong, young arms in Jeff Stevens, John Gaub and Chris Archer," said Cubs General Manager Jim Hendry. "They are significant additions to our system and have received universally high marks from our scouts, notably Stan Zielinski.
"It’s never easy to say goodbye to a quality player and person like Mark DeRosa," Hendry continued. "He was a major contributor to our success the last two seasons. But today represents a prime opportunity to stock our organization with three pitching prospects, to modify the balance and shape of our major league roster and to give our rising talent a chance to contribute more regularly at the major league level."
It's not clear from the Miles signing the exact dollar amount; Miles made $1.4 million in 2008, so I'd expect it's likely in the $2 million range per year. Subtracting DeRosa's contract will result in an (approximate) $2 million savings for 2009, if that's the number Miles signed for. Combine this with the rumored trade of Jason Marquis for Luis Vizcaino, which will save the Cubs (approximately) $6 million for 2009, and that could clear enough payroll space to sign one of the free agent outfielders that have been rumored to be coming to the Cubs. While the Cubs did restock the farm system with the three pitchers they received in the deal -- Jeff Stevens will be added to the 40-man roster, though he's not listed there yet -- I do NOT think this is the precursor to any Jake Peavy trade. It could, in fact, mean that the Cubs have renewed interest in trading for someone like Jeremy Hermida.
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Aaron Miles is a decent player whose value is primarily defensive -- he has little speed and little power (.364 lifetime SLG). He'll be used in a utility role, no doubt, backing up all the infield positions as well as likely getting a look in the outfield, though he has played only eight career major league games there.
Mark DeRosa will be missed. His versatile and unselfish play set a good example for his teammates and he was the favorite of at least one regular poster here. Nevertheless, in a case like this I try to remember the old adage, "It's better to trade someone a year too soon than a year too late." If the players acquired can help make the Cubs a better team (presumably, by flipping them somewhere), then this deal will be helpful.
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No peavy
looks to be what is going to happen.
Thus im not to excited about this trade, Mark was one of my favorites.
What to do, with Larry Hughe?
by Rudey on
Dec 31, 2008 1:07 PM CST
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Why...
…would Jim Hendry trade for Jeremy Hermida when he’s close to signing Milton Bradley?
Oh, and the Miles deal is for $4.9 mil over two years.
CUBS WIN! CUE THE ORCHESTRA!
by Keith on
Dec 31, 2008 1:07 PM CST
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Where did you get that dollar figure?
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by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 1:08 PM CST
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Copied from MLBTR...
“According to the Chicago Sun-Times, the Cubs signed infielder Aaron Miles to a two-year deal worth $4.9MM. The deal was first reported by ESPN Radio’s Bruce Levine. Speculation is that the move could allow the Cubs to trade Mark DeRosa.”
CUBS WIN! CUE THE ORCHESTRA!
by Keith on
Dec 31, 2008 1:08 PM CST
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I don't see that on the Sun-Times website anywhere.
By moving Marquis and replacing DeRosa with Miles – freeing up $8.3 million in 2009 payroll – the Cubs also set the stage for renewing talks with San Diego over ace pitcher Jake Peavy.
Whether the Peavy thing is true or not, the $8.3 million savings (about what I guessed if Marquis is traded) would allow the Cubs to sign a free agent outfielder OR trade for Peavy, not both.
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by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 1:13 PM CST
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Miles, 32, who also is versatile enough to have played seven positions last season, makes $2.2 million in 2009 and $2.7 million in 2010 with his new deal.
by NittanyCub on
Dec 31, 2008 1:27 PM CST
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Thanks.
Backloaded again. That 2010 payroll is going to be ugly.
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by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 1:30 PM CST
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Hendry either has permission or will seek forgiveness
but as long as there is no owner what are they to do?
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on
Dec 31, 2008 1:59 PM CST
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At least this contract doesn't have a no trade clause
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on
Dec 31, 2008 2:00 PM CST
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It won't be THAT ugly...
unless we get both Peavy and Bradley. I suspect we’d let Harden walk after next year, which more than counteracts the increase in salary due to the backloaded deals.
by SouthernCub on
Dec 31, 2008 3:01 PM CST
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Possibly so.
It might be time to trade Zambrano then, too.
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by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 4:37 PM CST
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Makes no sense to have 2 RF's
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SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on
Dec 31, 2008 2:12 PM CST
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Or 3 second basemen
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Dec 31, 2008 2:13 PM CST
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Have we figured out whos gonna play CF?
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Dec 31, 2008 2:14 PM CST
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wait!
what we need to do is take this team and go play some CRICKET! Wot, wot, say no more!
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by drewishdrewid on
Dec 31, 2008 2:14 PM CST
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any of the 2b's
as good as bradley??? maybe al think bradley will play cf
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on
Dec 31, 2008 2:18 PM CST
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Ugh
I need to go to the Doc and get a refill on my anxiety medicine. Though, I want the Cubs to win, I am getting scared that Hendry is making too many bad decisions this winter.
Wood…
Gregg…
DeRo…
Bradley?
ugh
by TheHawkRules on
Dec 31, 2008 1:09 PM CST
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I'm thinking
that this is setting up Samardzija as the 5th starter, Stevens in the pen, and Bradley in RF, with the hope that in-season development will lead to assets midseason to flip to fill need. I hope this isn’t the case, that a Peavy trade can happen, but I fail to see how we net assets for a Peavy deal without the DeRosa chip (and the rumors of packages for DeRosa before seem to be a better return than what we got) unless Towers’ demands come down, which may or may not happen.
by toonsterwu on
Dec 31, 2008 1:10 PM CST
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Unless...
SD wanted these pitchers.
by serbianking33 on
Dec 31, 2008 1:11 PM CST
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Possible.
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by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 1:11 PM CST
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Or like you said
Any other team, like Florida, for example.
by serbianking33 on
Dec 31, 2008 1:12 PM CST
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perhaps we are getting in the Hensley ramirez business?
A SS/2B with power? crazy talk
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by VegasCubFan on
Dec 31, 2008 3:37 PM CST
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Who is this Hensley Ramirez you speak of?
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on
Dec 31, 2008 3:40 PM CST
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Wasn't he on the Jeffersons?
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by JohnM on
Dec 31, 2008 3:41 PM CST
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That was Sherman HEMSLEY
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by VegasCubFan on
Dec 31, 2008 3:43 PM CST
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I meant HANLEY Ramirez
not Headley Lamar
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by VegasCubFan on
Dec 31, 2008 3:43 PM CST
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That's Heddy.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Dec 31, 2008 3:44 PM CST
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How did he do such fantastic stunts
with such little feet?
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by VegasCubFan on
Dec 31, 2008 3:45 PM CST
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Well, if Hendry pulls off a trade for Hanley Ramirez, I will personally buy him a dozen donuts everyday for the rest of his life. Hendry, I mean. Hanley will need to stay in shape.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on
Dec 31, 2008 3:45 PM CST
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From Dinky's Donuts?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Dec 31, 2008 3:46 PM CST
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Well, alright. Yeah, Dinky's.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on
Dec 31, 2008 3:56 PM CST
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Now you're talking. With that, I'm out
of here. Have a great new year man. I’ll catch you on the flip-flop. Go Cubs Go!
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Dec 31, 2008 4:05 PM CST
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Happy New Year, willie!
Catch you in the ’09!
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by dat cubfan daver on
Dec 31, 2008 4:15 PM CST
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I thought you meant Leona HELMSLY
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by JohnM on
Dec 31, 2008 3:46 PM CST
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For a second I meant Levon Helm
E street band
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by VegasCubFan on
Dec 31, 2008 3:48 PM CST
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That's Cleavon Little.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Dec 31, 2008 3:49 PM CST
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Hon
will you talk to the Beaver? He missed out on getting traded to the Cubs to play second base.
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by drewishdrewid on
Dec 31, 2008 3:51 PM CST
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I'm comin'
Vanessa!
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by drewishdrewid on
Dec 31, 2008 3:44 PM CST
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you know it
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on
Dec 31, 2008 2:24 PM CST
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MARSHALL as the 5th starter, preferably
At least he.s stretched out and can go longer at the beginning of the season. Maybe Shark can stretch during the 1st half and/or grab a spot start or two along the way
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by lostinthevines on
Dec 31, 2008 2:36 PM CST
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They don't make these moves...
…unless they had another deal in place. Maybe it’s Peavy. Maybe it’s someone we haven’t even heard of.
They obviously had to shed payroll to make a move. Also, this is a great sell high move by Hendry. Is DeRosa likely to repeat what he did?
I do think that we should have kept DeRosa if MB is going to play RF… because he could back up RF, too, and we could put Fontenot at 2nd.
by serbianking33 on
Dec 31, 2008 1:11 PM CST
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DeRosa was expendable
I like the deal.
I like DeRo too, he was a stand-up guy and a good player. But let’s remember that this is a business. His trade value has never been higher. The cubs have several other players who had similar offensive characteristics who are largely untradeable (D-Lee, I am talking to you). So it makes sense to let him go. It is unlikely that he would have a better season.
I hope the signing of Miles means that Fontenot will be given a shot as the primary 2b, with Miles spelling him at 2b vs. lefties.
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by Ross on
Dec 31, 2008 1:12 PM CST
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Agreed
It is a business, and Fontenot played like a poor man’s Chase Utley.
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Dec 31, 2008 1:13 PM CST
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Very poor.
A homeless Chase Utley.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on
Dec 31, 2008 1:14 PM CST
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Wouldn't go that far
.305/.395/.514 season Fontenot
.292/.380/.535 season Utley
Granted Fonteot’s ABs are mostly vs. RHP, but at his salary, it’s a good move to play him everyday at 2nd. His defense isn’t great, but neither was DeRosa’s. A 125 OPS+ would be great at 2nd base.
by serbianking33 on
Dec 31, 2008 1:23 PM CST
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You're dreaming...
if you think Fonty will maintain those numbers for a full season, especially when hitting LHP.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on
Dec 31, 2008 1:57 PM CST
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+1
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by lostinthevines on
Dec 31, 2008 2:37 PM CST
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Utley...
Was NL MVP, Fontenot has yet to be an everyday player for a major league team. I would go farther if I could.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on
Dec 31, 2008 2:37 PM CST
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I'm assuming that would be the case.
Anyone have Miles’ splits vs. LHP?
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by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 1:13 PM CST
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Batting right-handed
.284/.352/.704
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by Trey2317 on
Dec 31, 2008 1:14 PM CST
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Never mind, I looked them up.
About the same vs RHP and LHP
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by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 1:14 PM CST
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.290 .321 .368
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Dec 31, 2008 1:15 PM CST
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Agreed
Plus he is getting old and he failed miserably , both at the plate and in the field, in the playoffs the last couple years. He’s a great utility player and a great guy in the clubhouse. I know I will miss him. I just hope we can get something for these pitchers!
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by Itchy on
Dec 31, 2008 1:15 PM CST
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So long Mark....sniff sniff.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Dec 31, 2008 1:14 PM CST
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Stay classy, Mark.
You were, indeed, super.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Dec 31, 2008 1:23 PM CST
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.
by Bricks and Ivy on
Dec 31, 2008 1:18 PM CST
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Damn
This also means that Hendry traded the hottest baseball wife too.
by rlpete on
Dec 31, 2008 1:21 PM CST
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This comment is worthless without pics.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Dec 31, 2008 1:26 PM CST
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Search the FanShots
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by JohnM on
Dec 31, 2008 1:31 PM CST
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Here is the link
http://www.fantasybaseballdugout.com/2008/11/11/hottest-baseball-wife-heidi-derosa/
It was a fanshot several months ago.
by rlpete on
Dec 31, 2008 1:31 PM CST
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Waa waa wee waa
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by lostinthevines on
Dec 31, 2008 2:38 PM CST
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Sweet Sassy Molassy
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by Reddevil on
Dec 31, 2008 4:05 PM CST
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Impossible.
That would be Scott Podsednik’s wife.
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by Goodie1969 on
Dec 31, 2008 7:15 PM CST
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I'm going to miss Mrs. DeRo as well
I’m a bit confused by this move, given our reluctance to part with him earlier.
I’m generally happy with our personnel decisions, but I don’t know what to make of this one yet. This seems to me to have to be part of a bigger deal. We’ll see. What if we could have made this move, and shipped these pitchers over to SD, along with Ceda, meaning we resigned Wood?
I love being an armchair GM
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Dec 31, 2008 1:21 PM CST
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Armchair GM
= Best Job in the world :-)
When I grow up, that’s what I want to be
by serbianking33 on
Dec 31, 2008 1:24 PM CST
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Does it pay like the real GM position?
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Dec 31, 2008 2:07 PM CST
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i think it is Peavy
the young pitching is staying with the Cubs, and—like the other poster says—they wouldn’t go to FL for a hitter when they have a deal for Bradley in place.
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Dec 31, 2008 1:23 PM CST
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that should be
“the young pitching isn’t staying with the Cubs”
by hoosiercubbie on
Dec 31, 2008 1:24 PM CST
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Hopefully this means that Fontenot gets a lot of burn
I really, really hope that Hoffpauir is learning how to play right field.
by NittanyCub on
Dec 31, 2008 1:26 PM CST
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Forget it
One thing this does mean is that the Cubs are getting a new RF’er. Bradley, Dunn, Hermida or someone else, who knows but it won’t be Hoffpauir.
by rlpete on
Dec 31, 2008 1:27 PM CST
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Well, I'm gunning for Bradley to man right field.
But, as said before, it’s highly unlikely that he’ll stay healthy. I’m hoping Hoffpauir gets around 40-45 games at right.
by NittanyCub on
Dec 31, 2008 1:29 PM CST
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You're seriously hoping that?
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by dat cubfan daver on
Dec 31, 2008 1:30 PM CST
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You can't be serious.
Hoffpauir for 40-45 games in RF would be worse than Adam Dunn.
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by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 1:30 PM CST
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I really, really hope that Hoffpauir is learning how to play right field.
by NittanyCub on
Dec 31, 2008 1:31 PM CST
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I bet he learns to play RF faster than Fonzie learns to play LF.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Dec 31, 2008 1:32 PM CST
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Funny, but not funny.
You REALLY don’t want to see a 29-year-old career minor league first baseman play 1/4 of the schedule in right field for a Cub team that presumes to be a pennant contender.
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by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 1:34 PM CST
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okay if those 40-45 games in RF are going to be for Iowa.
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by bobby h on
Dec 31, 2008 1:35 PM CST
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Probably not, but I'd like to see him play a lot more than what he did last year.
Wishful thinking in the first place, anyways. I just want to see the man play.
by NittanyCub on
Dec 31, 2008 1:36 PM CST
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Why?
We have a first baseman. Hoffpauir hasn’t proven he can pinch hit (7 K’s in 14 PH AB), so where is his value?
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by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 1:36 PM CST
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Throw a slider
down and in, and watch him whiff wildly.
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Dec 31, 2008 1:37 PM CST
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Are you talking about Hoff or Soriano?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
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Dec 31, 2008 1:41 PM CST
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Serbian aid down and IN,
not down and AWAY. On second though, I guess they both apply…
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Dec 31, 2008 2:41 PM CST
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thow a slider
low and away and watch Lee whiff pathetically
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Dec 31, 2008 5:24 PM CST
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The Cubs have an average first baseman with above-average
defensive ability who was given an insane contract with a 27 DP count last year. I’m not saying that Hoffpauir would do any better, because he probably wouldn’t, but the Cubs aren’t paying him 13/year. I’m going off into a tangent now, but all I’m saying is that I like Hoffpauir, and would hope that he gets more at-bats next season.
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I would not call D-Lee's contract "insane".
That may be just a tad over the top.
Hey, it's a new century!
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Now it is...
But after 2005, it looked like a bargain “home town discount”.
Someday we'll go all the way...
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About those double plays...
…I don’t have the specific data here in front of me, but DLee was put in an unusually large number of double-play situations this season. So his high GIDP rate was more a result of that – coupled with his increased ground ball rate – than any decline in his hitting ability. I also think he was injured.
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i dont
mean to be rude but “double-play situations”??
You mean with men on base
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I mean with a man on first base.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
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There you go again, confusing us with the facts.
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Dat's how I roll.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
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maybe we should wish
for him to be traded to the Pirates or the… you know I can’t think of a single team he’d actually be good on.
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by george
I think you’ve got it!
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If we're going to bring in a bad defensive OF
he better be able to rake. Hoff cannot rake in the majors. He’ll hit all sorts of home runs in AAA, but not in Chicago.
Drew, who do you want in RF?
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I want Fukudome in right and Pie/Reed in center.
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I'm with you, Drew
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With Bradley coming and Johnson in the fold,
and Fukudome already here, is that the timer going off for Pie’s stay in Chicago? Methinks yes.
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serbianking33 asked me what I wanted, not what I thought was going to happen.
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Indeed!
and I agree with Drew
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Do we know that
has HoffPOWER really had much of a chance in the majors?
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yes.
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73 ABs?
OPs of .934 in his first stretch in the majors? That’s pretty damn good
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when put into clutch situations
he struck out. When put into clutch situations on defense, he sucked.
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Rookies do that sometimes
I wouldn’t write him off so soon- He is always going to look bad compared to D.Lee at 1B and he should be learning an OF position if he hopes to play in the majors over the next few years.
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Micah Hoffpauir
only qualifies as a rookie on paper.
He is always going to look bad compared to D.Lee at 1B and he should be learning an OF position if he hopes to play in the majors over the next few years.
There, fixed it for ya.
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Um actually
Derrek Lee and David Ortiz spent 6 years developing in the minors…. its not the NBA
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by Andre Fonseca on
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no
if it were teh NBA, there’s be more arrests.
Hoffpauir is NOT GOOD.
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Hoffpauir debuted at 28
Lee and Ortiz debuted at 21. Big difference.
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And therein lies the key...
Hoffpauir may have hit well in the minor leagues, but it took him too long to do so. He’s not the miracle cure to this LH slugging right fielder dilemma we’ve all been handed.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
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Dec 31, 2008 2:29 PM CST
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I really really
REALLY do NOT understand the Hoff-love.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
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I just don't understand the hate
he hits the ball well in the minors – so he should get more ABs in the majors…. 73 ABs is not enough to write a guy off
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Cedeno hit .300 his first year too
I don’t hate him but thinking he should be slotted as the starting RF’er or 1st baseman is crazy. At best, he gets the Darryl Ward spot. However, his PH performance last season wasn’t very good either.
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Agreed, but I could
see him filling in for RF/LF or 1B…. he hasn’t proven he is an everyday starter, but his bat has to get tested in the majors
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I do't hate him
I just don’t see how a 29 year old career minor league 1B can really be the answer to all that ails our lineup.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
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Dont worry!
I’ll save room for all of you on the bandwagon!
I don’t think it is a magic pill, but he has been stuck behind derrek lee…
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for which we are all
eternally grateful.
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The Hanshin Tigers.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 1:38 PM CST
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Surely
France has a baseball team…
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and they are a collective 0-475....
they always seem to forfeit their games before the 4th inning.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
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Dec 31, 2008 1:42 PM CST
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perfect for Hoffpauer.
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I'm a member of the Hanshin Tigers fan club
Just sayin’
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Would much rather see
Theriot moved to 2B… with Fonty being our LH spark plug off the bench.
Only problem is: we need a real SS.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
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Dec 31, 2008 1:32 PM CST
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As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
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Doesn't that defeat the purpose of recommending a post?
Anyways, short stop isn’t a gaping hole for the Cubs right now. If Theriot can replicate what he did last year, I think they’ll be fine
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Dec 31, 2008 1:34 PM CST
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Let's agree to disagree about Theriot...shall we?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
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What the hell's the matter with you guys?
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Started the champagne early, didn't they?
Hey, it's a new century!
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Dec 31, 2008 1:50 PM CST
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What's going on here?
I’m not trying to cause a raucous. Sorry if it came out that way
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Maybe just too much unspiked punch then.
Maybe it’s a sign we NEED to spike the punch?
Hey, it's a new century!
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I'm fine...well...except for a hangnail...oh yeah...and pinkeye...and
Pneumonia.
Consumption.
Leprosy.
Worms.
Gout.
Jaundice.
Typhus.
Distended scalp.
Gangrene.
Scurvy.
Dropsy.
Quinsy.
Distemper.
Plague.
Night sweats.
Corns.
Rickets.
Brackets.
Hardening of the arteries.
Elephantiasis of the knees.
Rheumatism.
Catarrh.
Dyspepsia.
Doldrums.
Croup.
Piles.
Lavender hysteria.
Deposits.
Torpid liver.
Spathic jaw.
Soreness of the parts.
The Crimean itch.
Earwigs.
Miner’s glans.
Scrofula.
Shingles.
Hoof and mouth disease.
Lymphatic chalking.
Other than that..I’m just peachy!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
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hey!
my dad has pinkeye!
What? He’s going to be fine, thanks for asking…
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TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
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ICK
For a second there, i thought this was another list of Milton Bradley’s injuries.
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Pictures. For each one. Now.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
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Dec 31, 2008 3:30 PM CST
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standby...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Dec 31, 2008 3:33 PM CST
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corns...yuck
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Dec 31, 2008 3:34 PM CST
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this will not end well...
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Dec 31, 2008 3:35 PM CST
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:-)
Corns rarely do
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Dec 31, 2008 3:35 PM CST
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why did you do this to me?
on New Year’s Eve, no less! my eyes.
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and this was just corns. Wait until we get to jaundice or gangrene...
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Or the Crimean itch.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on
Dec 31, 2008 3:41 PM CST
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Is that anything like Little Sally Crotch Rot?
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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Maybe SWL can post side-by-side pics...
…and show us the difference.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
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Pneumonia.
Consumption.
Leprosy.
Worms.
Gout.
Jaundice.
Typhus.
Distended scalp.
Gangrene.
Scurvy.
Dropsy.
Quinsy.
Distemper.
Plague.
Night sweats.
Corns.
Rickets.
Brackets.
Hardening of the arteries.
Elephantiasis of the knees.
Rheumatism.
Catarrh.
Dyspepsia.
Doldrums.
Croup.
Piles.
Lavender hysteria.
Deposits.
Torpid liver.
Spathic jaw.
Soreness of the parts.
The Crimean itch.
Earwigs.
Miner’s glans.
Scrofula.
Shingles.
Hoof and mouth disease.
Lymphatic chalking.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
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Dear Gawd...
this horrible and impressive and scary all at the same time.
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Dec 31, 2008 4:28 PM CST
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Word to the wise
DO NOT OPEN “GANGRENE!”
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
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Dec 31, 2008 4:30 PM CST
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OMG why didn't I listen???!!!
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ha ha ha ha
Night sweats… ha ha ha ha
Dropsy… ha ha ha ha
Spathetic jaw… ha ha ha ha
Deposits… ha ha ha ha ha
Doldrums…
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So that's the Crimean Itch. Interesting.
And Night Sweats…niiiicce.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
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you're insane.
:D
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As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
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Piles
is the best. Genius.
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You have a talent.
What kind, I do not know, but alas – a talent of some sort.
"Just win tonight" - derv
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What a way to go out in '08
Thanks for the work on that one. I got many a laugh! Someone owes you a pair of Cubs tickets for that effort.
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Agree as well.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
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Miles
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
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TO BE POSITIVE
All I can say is this:
The Cubs FINALLY traded a guy when he had top value… instead of waiting for his trade value to erode.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
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did we get a good deal for him?
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Remains to be seen.
If the prospects can be flipped… then perhaps yes.
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I specified this same sentiment on my Facebook page
“…lamenting the loss of Mark DeRosa. For now, at least.”
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
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Probably not
But hey, at least we are learning how to mix it up a bit, right?
Maybe one day we’ll trade a guy at his peak AND get a good deal!
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oh, I see
it’s an either/or kinda thing…
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ain't done yet.
No way is Hendry done.
Just like the Gregg move, it ain’t done yet.
And to put even more suspense on it, with the economy and some FA prices dropping precipitously, we may not see the end of the trading until the last week of ST.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
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you think something
is going to happen with Gregg?
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Not necessarily moving him
but just getting him, at least to me, doesn’t signal Hendry is done with the ‘pen as some here thought originally. I simply believe that there’s more to do for the ’pen than just getting Gregg, even knowing Woody was going to sign somewhere else.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
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I don't see
how the Indians didn’t get the best of this deal. Maybe they fleeced the Padres instead of the Cubs, but I’d rather be on their end of this deal.
DeRo is solid and those three no-names are suspect at best.
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Top value doesn't mean squat if we don't actually receive that value in return
Sure DeRo’s trade value probably is as high as it’s ever going to be, but that doesn’t mean much if what we get in return isn’t comparable. I’m certainly willing to wait for the other shoe to drop ( or be thrown as the case may be) whether that be Peavy, Roberts, Hermida, or some other key component to the Cubs’ short-term success. But if those three Indians’ prospects are the end of this story, then top trade value didn’t mean diddley.
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by ballhawk on
Dec 31, 2008 3:38 PM CST
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Yeah, if this is the end of the story...
…I might have to advocate some shoes be thrown at the Cubs convention podium in a couple weeks.
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by dat cubfan daver on
Dec 31, 2008 3:43 PM CST
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DeRo
The curse of the Cubs Convention calendar continues. At least there’s only a day left in the month.
And we can construct a memorial to him at Wrigley immediately tomorrow – how often does that opportunity come around!
by 08Cubs on
Dec 31, 2008 1:31 PM CST
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We'll need to keep a close eye on the upcoming convention calendar...
… to see who’s going to be gone next offseason.
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by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 1:35 PM CST
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I promise to stay away from
certain cubs during the convention this year…
I pretty much sunk the cubs careers of RIch Hill, CPat, and Joe Boworski. After getting their autographs at the convention, their careers pretty much spiraled into a death spin with only Joe B attempting to pull out of it for a while.
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by TheRiot Police on
Dec 31, 2008 1:38 PM CST
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Maybe you should give your passes to me?
I’m just saying!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Dec 31, 2008 1:52 PM CST
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The White Sox have already ordered a statue to honor DeRo.
Hell – they out those things up for everyone else, anyway – why not a Cub?
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by lostinthevines on
Dec 31, 2008 2:50 PM CST
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None of these Tribe pitchers...........
………seem to be “top shelf”, so this looks like more of a salary dump than a “re-stocking” of the farm.
Regardless, I’m okay with moving DeRo. He’s not likely to perform as well in 2009 as he did last year, and I’m not convinced he was a clubhouse saint. His comments to the media were always carefully couched, like a guy running for office.
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by tville on
Dec 31, 2008 1:31 PM CST
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I do wonder if his comments
preceeding game 2 of the playoffs put him in bad graces with Lou. I would hope not but Lou seems to be the kind of guy who when he gets mad at ya, you stays mad at ya.
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by TheRiot Police on
Dec 31, 2008 1:35 PM CST
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If that's the case...
PLEASE let Lou be mad at Michael Wuertz.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
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by SackMan on
Dec 31, 2008 1:47 PM CST
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Weurtz = Howry
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by Reddevil on
Dec 31, 2008 4:12 PM CST
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Wuertz is probably on the trade block.
He could go as part of a package.
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by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 4:40 PM CST
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Well you cant get much for a 34 year old second baseman
I wouldve hoped for Asdrubal Cabrera at the very least
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on
Dec 31, 2008 2:16 PM CST
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Trade
If this trade is NOT part of a bigger deal than I don’t get it. If the Cubs were simply looking to move DeRosa, it really seemed like there were other takers out there in the Twins and Phillies. If that was the case the Cubs could have gotten something else that likely would have helped the Cubs more in the near future OR a better prospect for the long term. This deal only makes sense if they have another trade partner who wants these guys.
by dmlichte on
Dec 31, 2008 1:35 PM CST
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Stevens
looks (by numbers) like a solid pitching prospect, but the other two look closer to roster filler.
I completely agree with your assessment. Further, i think Hendry should, if this is not a precursor to anything besides a Bradley signing, let the masses know not to expect Peavy or anything else.
If this is just a move to clear salary, couldn’t they have gotten a serviceable right fielder for DeRosa, and then not taken on Bradley for 3 years/30 mil or so?
DEJESUS!!!
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Dec 31, 2008 1:50 PM CST
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Hendry's not going to play his cards publicly.
And what “serviceable” RF would have been available for DeRosa?
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by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 4:40 PM CST
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Cardinal fan here
Let me warn you about Miles. His defense is vastly overrated. The only place he is a good defender is at 2B. He’s not good at SS and 3B and is completely untested in the OF. Even at 2B he had a penchant for making his errors at exactly the wrong time. He was a favorite of TLR, though, so maybe that speaks to his clubhouse value…or not, depending on your perspective.
by raisin1 on
Dec 31, 2008 1:43 PM CST
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So...
He’s another Theriot?
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by drewishdrewid on
Dec 31, 2008 1:54 PM CST
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Lemme guess...
he triple clutches every throw?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Dec 31, 2008 1:54 PM CST
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he doesn't throw at all
he relies on his scrappy speed to beat the runner to the bag. Yes, first base.
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by drewishdrewid on
Dec 31, 2008 1:55 PM CST
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lets not give theriot any ideas
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
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Dec 31, 2008 1:57 PM CST
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When all else fails,
we lean on scrappiness.
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by lostinthevines on
Dec 31, 2008 2:52 PM CST
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Some day, scrappiness will rule all. We will bow to the scrap.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Dec 31, 2008 2:54 PM CST
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LOL
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by lostinthevines on
Dec 31, 2008 2:51 PM CST
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So, you're saying
he is useful in a role if used properly. If overused or overexposed, all of the warts come out.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Dec 31, 2008 1:55 PM CST
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Very bad move...
…watch these pitchers we got for DeRo not throw a single pitch for the Cubs. Hendry is doing a bad job this offseason. If we get Bradley, then to hell with Hendry.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on
Dec 31, 2008 1:46 PM CST
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The Indians...
are quickly becoming my second favorite team.
by kanderber on
Dec 31, 2008 1:47 PM CST
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I hate it !!!
How in the heck do you trade away Mark DeRosa ?!? The guy was arguably the MVP of the Cubs the past two seasons.
Mike Fontenot as everyday 2nd baseman ?!? Good Lord. Lou Piniella played Fontenot VERY selectively in 2008 to the extreme advantage of his statistics. Now Jim Hendry thinks we can make him an everyday player ?!?
This is a salary dump. No question about it. We just gave the Cleveland Indians a gift. A gift that makes them the favorites to win the AL Central.
by BLou on
Dec 31, 2008 1:48 PM CST
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You trade a guy whos value has never nor will never be higher
after a career year on the wrong side of 30.
Not exactly a shock. And theres a lot of time left in the offseason. Hendry has more planned.
Get me, I'm giving out wings!!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Dec 31, 2008 2:20 PM CST
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Aaron Miles is a butcher at 2nd base
Why o’ why do we pick up Aaron Miles ?!? I’m very, very sad right now.
by BLou on
Dec 31, 2008 1:49 PM CST
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Right, and...
… he’s not likely to be an everyday player.
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by Al on
Dec 31, 2008 4:41 PM CST
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Maybe they see a strict platoon of Fontenot and Miles
…as being acceptable given the money.
by Wreckard on
Jan 1, 2009 4:22 PM CST
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this is sad news
we may get nothing from the pitchers and lose the versatility that was DeRo
by coral on
Dec 31, 2008 1:52 PM CST
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So here is your 2009 friggin Chicago friggin Cubs...
1. Soriano – LF
2. Kosuke / Johnson – CF
3. Lee – 1st
4. Ramirez – 3rd
5. Bradley – RF
6. Soto – Cat
7. Fontenot – 2nd
8. Theriot – SS
Rotation….Zambrano, Harden, Dempster, Lilly, Marshall
Pen…Marmol, Gregg, Shark, Gaudin, Vizcaino, Cotts, another lefty
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I hate it.
by BLou on
Dec 31, 2008 1:53 PM CST
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At least we still have Geovany Soto
for now
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on
Dec 31, 2008 1:54 PM CST
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All is lost.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Dec 31, 2008 1:55 PM CST
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cmon, Mike
there must be something else in the pike…
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by drewishdrewid on
Dec 31, 2008 1:57 PM CST
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Seems pretty solid to me.
DeRosa’s gonna be missed, especially if someone gets injured any way along the season. What’s there to hate, really, besides Wood being gone? I like Marmol, Gaudin, Samardzija, and Cotts; I guess Gregg will be alright.
And who knows what’s going to happen in oncoming trades and signings.
by NittanyCub on
Dec 31, 2008 1:58 PM CST
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Our middle infield are two over-achievers / Triple A ballplayers
I like Ryan Theriot. But an EVERYDAY middle infield of Theriot and Fontenot is something you see in Pittsburgh or Kansas City for crying out loud. Not on a team with a payroll north of $100 million !!!
Crane Kenney has lied through his teeth to Cub fans about the ability to be aggressive this winter and add modestly to payroll. The S.O.B. sold us a bill of goods.
by BLou on
Dec 31, 2008 2:02 PM CST
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This is why I actually wonder if the next trade is Roberts and not Peavy
Miles replaces Cedeno who joins Fontenot and Pie in Baltimore.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Dec 31, 2008 2:04 PM CST
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No
Aaron Miles is STRICTLY a 2nd baseman. And a very lousy one at that. He can’t play shortstop or 3rd base.
by BLou on
Dec 31, 2008 2:05 PM CST
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Miles plays SS as well as Theriot does.
As a backup, Miles is decent, not anything to write home about.
But Miles makes no sense on this roster if we didn’t think he could play SS.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Dec 31, 2008 2:06 PM CST
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Go ask Cardinal fans if they think Miles can play shortstop
He can’t. Technically I’m sure he knows where the position is on the diamond, but that is it. Aramis Ramirez is a better option at shortstop than Miles.
by BLou on
Dec 31, 2008 2:09 PM CST
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Speaking of Ramirez...
Who backs up Ramirez for days off now that Derosa is gone? Unless there’s someone I’m not seeing on our roster (or we dip down to AAA), it looks to be Miles for that as well. Not that Ramirez misses a lot of games, but…
by MarchHare on
Dec 31, 2008 2:14 PM CST
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Go ask a Cubs Fan if they think Theriot can play shortstop
..
What to do, with Larry Hughe?
by Rudey on
Dec 31, 2008 2:21 PM CST
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Define "play"....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Dec 31, 2008 2:22 PM CST
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looking over this there are two things
Stevens value is increased because he is cheap in depression economics economy so acquiring pitchers who are cheap possess multiples. Aaron Miles replaces a player currently on the roster (either Fonty or Cedeno or both) not DeRosa.
Looking at the Cubs their strength remains their starters even with Marquis traded and their weakness is the middle infield and top of the order. Roberts at $8M looks good and if he goes FA next year Cubs have back up with Miles (and Theriot) or even Spears.
So Peavy is not the target….unless during the season Padres truly punt. Roberts solves the top of the order if Bradley is signed with another Hendry special of back loaded 3yr deal.
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by Ivy Walls on
Dec 31, 2008 2:15 PM CST
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meaning Fontenot
goes back to Balt after all.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on
Dec 31, 2008 2:18 PM CST
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I thought Ryan Theriot
was a sparkplug?
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by drewishdrewid on
Dec 31, 2008 2:04 PM CST
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Guy got on base 38.7% of the time.
Which is what I would think is wanted from a hitter in the 2-hole
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Dec 31, 2008 2:06 PM CST
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well,
part of the reason Lee hit into so many double plays is because something like 85-90% of that 38.7% of the time were singles.
But I never disliked Riot for his bat. His bat is ok. It’s the everything else I don’t like.
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by drewishdrewid on
Dec 31, 2008 2:07 PM CST
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Yeah, not that much of an arm, or of anything, on the defensive side.
by NittanyCub on
Dec 31, 2008 2:08 PM CST
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I can deal with all of his defensive downsides
(other than the double clutch on every throw), but its the lamebrain pick offs that kill me.
Seriously.
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Dec 31, 2008 2:16 PM CST
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this feels like old times
Here we all are back to our ageless Theriot debate… makes me all misty eyed.
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by Emelie on
Dec 31, 2008 3:40 PM CST
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all of this has happened before
all of this will happen again.
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by drewishdrewid on
Dec 31, 2008 3:44 PM CST
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Well, it is the last day of the year.
Out with the old, in with the new!
Hey, it's a new century!
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Dec 31, 2008 3:45 PM CST
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IMHO D-Lee hit into all those DP's
‘cuz he was over comping for the right wrist; yeah the one he broke in the Furcal collision in Apr, 2006. He tried all too often to pull the ball instead of keeping his hands back. I’d eye-ball the replay’s on high-def when he DP’d versus when he went away for instance and the difference was staggering.
This is only my hunch and I have no evidence, haven’t heard anything or the like. But it just seems like he’s trying to over compensate for that right wrist. It could also explain why his power was down a bit from ’04 and ’05.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
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Dec 31, 2008 2:21 PM CST
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Sparkplug
or butt plug?
(too harsh? maybe)
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Dec 31, 2008 4:17 PM CST
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Yeah, you may have crossed the line on this one.
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Dec 31, 2008 4:37 PM CST
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