2008 Winter Meetings Thread!!
by cubsluver22 on Dec 7, 2008 7:54 PM CST
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Thought I would start a 2008 winter meetings thread in lue of tomorrow. maybe we can use this for all transactions and gossip. Just read tonight that there has been a possible trade involving the Reds and White Sux. Reds getting Jermaine Dye and the the White Sux receiving Homer Bailey. If so I gotta believe Kenny Williams clearly won this deal with the addition of a young stud caliber pitcher under control until 2013.
As far as the Cubs go Cubs.com has a preview in which you can read here!
Hopefully tommorrow's a big day for us with Ronnie Santo going into the Hall of fame and us finally getting our LH Outfielder whomever that may be. After that I believe the pieces will start to fall into place. Good Luck Jim Hendry make us proud!
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Big week
Big week possibly coming up.
Feel for Al and anyone else running a fansite for a baseball team this week as there could be headaches galore.
I think we can be trusted to not give Al an ulcer this week.
MaIne South Hawks 2008 Class 8a Champs!
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 7, 2008 7:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I make no promises!
Just kidding. :) I’m a newbie, so I’m pretty sure I don’t have that right. But about that Jake Peavy…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 7, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tomorrow
WGN will have the news on Santo first. I was listening to them this weekend and Santo will call the office when he hears and Kaplan will break in.
I think the tone of Dave’s voice from word 1 will tell us.
MaIne South Hawks 2008 Class 8a Champs!
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 7, 2008 8:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Um...stud centerfielder?
Homer Bailey is a pitcher.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
by zambranofan on Dec 7, 2008 8:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about us
I edited it. dumb me
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on Dec 7, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bailey for Dye
Thank you Cincinnati Reds. My biggest concern was the Cubs being challenged by the Reds and a very talented pitching staff. I was very worried about their young pitching and this removes one key. Dye is a bad fielder and only going to get worse. The Sox really are stockpiling a lot of young talent and their staff has the potential to be very special in the next year or two.
by dmlichte on Dec 7, 2008 8:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Another
one of these 2008 moves that puzzle me badly. Why give up a good young, cheap, starter for over aged ,over priced not so good fielder. especially when there is about the same caliber player on the market in ibanez,abreu, and dunn for the almost the same money. this offseason may go down as the weirdest ever in my books.
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on Dec 7, 2008 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bailey hasnt really lived up to the hype
So I wouldnt have worried about him to begin with
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 7, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nope
he hasnt but dumping a huge salary and getting a prospect with that potential is a great move IMO
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on Dec 7, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Bailey learns a curveball, he has the potential to be good
But thus far, he’s tried to rely on his fastball, with disastrous results. He needs an off-speed pitch to fully realize his potential.
If Don Cooper can do that, then Bailey for Dye is a great move on the Sox behalf.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Dec 8, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What time will the HOF announcement be made?
Does anyone know?
by kanderber on Dec 7, 2008 8:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
8am
I believe!! I read that on mlb.com I believe.
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on Dec 7, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on Dec 7, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting quote from that article about budget and sale:
… The team has yet to pick its new owner, which could be finalized by Spring Training. The bidders are aware of the team’s 2009 budget. If Hendry wants to add significant money to the payroll, he will have to make room by trading players currently on the roster.
That sounds like Muskat’s source(s) think the final budget number is pretty much set and Jim is keeping it under wraps.
Also, no mention of Peavy after the first paragraph. Back burnered for a bat, by chance?
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on Dec 7, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Williams
I like KW alot. he’s dumping salary by the minute and stockpiling potential young studs. my question is what is he up too?? burnett or cc?? tex??
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on Dec 7, 2008 8:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
dye/bailey trade
may not be true so says this report
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on Dec 7, 2008 9:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would take Dye
Guy hits all day, and is not a butcher in the field.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Dec 7, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted Dye for RF.
Unfortunately, he hits righthanded. Since Lou’s obsessed with a LH hitter, Dye doesn’t qualify.
It does puzzle me why the Reds want him, though. They can’t really think they’re contenders in 2009, can they?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 7, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Reds...
… are the team that scares me most in the NL Central. If Arroyo and Harang bounce back that rotation is scary. Volquez is fantastic and they have other good young prospects. They have good young hitting and they could use a righty with some power.
by dmlichte on Dec 7, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Some good points.... I agree
But then again everyone said the same thing past offseason.
I still agree they can’t be underestimated by any means.
by EJThunder on Dec 8, 2008 2:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Reds are the big X factor in the 2009 NL Central race.
I think it really depends on if the cardinals are improved and what kind of team the Brewers put together. With 6 teams, I think the NL Central plays differently than all of the other divisions so it will be interesting to see how things shake out.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 8, 2008 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They have loads of talent in Cincinatti,
but don’t forget who they have sitting in that dugout.
by dakoose on Dec 8, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is an aging RF though Al
and we all know that Dusty loves his aging veterans. I suppose his plan is to ride him into the ground and then keep playing him once he has begun to consider retirement.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 8, 2008 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dye
He is statue in RF and is only getting worse. He is not very good.
by dmlichte on Dec 7, 2008 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would still rather have him in RF than Dunn.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 3:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also FWIW...
… I think we may need more than one of these threads. I’ll probably open them as needed during the week on the front page.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 7, 2008 10:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure this will be music to Al's ears
Heyman suggests a 3rd team might not be necessary anymore.
by toonsterwu on Dec 8, 2008 2:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
let's add one more to the mix
according to wittenmeyer
by toonsterwu on Dec 8, 2008 2:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My lord
Gordo basically mentions every friggin’ player in the “possibilities” portion of that article. Roberts, Raul, Milton, Peavy, Hermida, Abreu. Com’on, Gordo, you’re better than that.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Dec 8, 2008 2:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, actually, he isn't.
This wouldn’t be the first time he made something up.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 3:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reading Gordo and others
it sounds like Peavy would not happen until the lefty bat is here and Marquis is gone.
But according to this Orioles beat writer, the buzz in the lobby last night was that the Peavy deal would be completed today.
I’ll take that morsel with a grain of salt…
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Dec 8, 2008 2:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the biggest problem with the Winter Meetings
Too much salt needed.
Anyway, I’m wondering if one of the hold-ups on Peavy, is not $ concerns as much as Gordo’s view that the Cubs want Hermida and they don’t think they can trade for both. I would be very glad if Hermida was the top RF target.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 8, 2008 7:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
surprisingly nothing big happening
I deduce that the finances are prevalent, that all the GM’s know that talent is now less desired in their jobs going forward and survival and viability are.
With the venerable Chi Tribune Co now facing bankruptcy along with GM and Chrysler this is just the tip of the sponsoring nightmare. The Beer Industry by itself can’t support the market.
That all said I think it is interesting to note that the Peavy trade is one of the lynchpins, where Cubs have knowledge of many supposed 3rd team clubs—-(TB, Balt, Sea, MN?)
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Dec 8, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like wishful thinking among the beat writers.
They’re all gathered at the Winter meetings and have nothing to write. I think they’re just hoping for a big story to kick of the meetings.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 8, 2008 8:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When I hear it from
the Cubs organization then I’ll believe it. Until then….meh.
by sue369 on Dec 8, 2008 7:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When is the Veteran's Committee Vote?
I thought it was today
/threadjack
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2008 8:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
yes it is today.
according to natl baseball HoF site they will announce it today at 1pm ET from Las Vegas (I hope Pete Rose is smiling ruefully and shaking his head over that one…).
Also they’re going to broadcast it live on that site, so surf back there around 1pm ET and laugh or cry real time with Ronnie…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In fact, I believe Pete Rose is in town signing autographs (for a profit).
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 8, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No dice...8 votes short
Here is Linky
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 8, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry 9 votes short
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 8, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone tell me about...
Eric Hinske? A FA RF with some time at 1st and 3rd. LH looks like a little pop… actually drafted by the Cubs I believe. I don’t know, seems like he might be an option. Certainly not as sexy as a Dunn or Abreu signing might seem, but might be a comparable to a Hermida (my favorite choice so far) or Teahen trade. While numbers aren’t great, he couldnt cost that much – or could he? Thoughts and oh yeah, be kind.
by socalicubsfan on Dec 8, 2008 9:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Looking at his Fangraphs page, (which as of yesterday is the best thing about the Internet) he’s projected to be a league-average hitter with below-average 3B and above average RF defense. Probably not a bad player but not the sort the Cubs are looking at. The Cubs would apparently rather overpay for a guy who hits better and pisses away that advantage in the field.
by cwyers on Dec 8, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While, statistically...
… his defense appears good, my impression of him is as a guy whose best position is DH.
He also has really alarming platoon splits (2008 numbers):
vs. RHP: .262/.344/.500
vs. LHP: .143/.263/.224
We really don’t need a platoon DH.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FSR would seem to agree with you.
If his defense isn’t any good, then he’s really not worth anything – to us or almost anybody else.
by cwyers on Dec 8, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would classify him as a role player that is useful on a good team.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Dec 8, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good news for all of you Midwesterners
the 2009 Winter Meetings are in scenic Indianapolis. I’m sure the GMs and team personnel are excited over that.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Dec 8, 2008 9:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
How on Earth did they decide THAT?
Wow, someone in Indy must have bid big bux to host that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Indy has a very nice convention center.
And they’re very aggressive in promoting it. If you’re worried about them getting cold, the hotel has a skywalk over to the convention center, so nobody has to wander around outside.
by cwyers on Dec 8, 2008 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Convention Center is under construction but should be fine.
There are plenty of underground (and above ground) tunnels to get into it, though.
I’m excited for it to be in Indy – I can probably get credentialed for it.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Dec 8, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They probably want to show off the brand spanking new airport, too.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Dec 8, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're quite proud of that
Even if it’s out in the middle of nowhere. However, the taxi time to the gate has been reduced from 20 minutes to 5.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Dec 8, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
20 minute of taxiing?
You’re almost better off flying to Midway and driving.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It used to be awful here in Indianapolis
Flights from Chicago took almost as long to taxi as they did in the air. Now, it’s a smooth 5 minutes from the wheels touching down to the gate.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Dec 8, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Center is fine...
but it’s not warm, not scenic, and has no strong MLB ties; and no, I don’t count the Indians as a tie. It’s very curious.
But yes Al, Mayor Ballard and the CCB would have sold their souls for a convention of this media magnitude.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 8, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bud owed Indianapolis
for sticking the Indians with the Brewers farmhands prior to the arrival of Hardy, Fielder, etc.
As far as conventions go, Indianapolis is one of the better cities in America in terms of hosting. However, I wouldn’t visit Indianapolis in the middle of December if I didn’t live here. For those that do come, there is plenty to do in the downtown area, so it’s not like everyone will be terribly bored.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Dec 8, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're being very kind....
on there being much to do. I can think a few steakhouses that you can hide out in, but in the middle of the week — and in the Winter — Indy is deader than disco; especially downtown.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 8, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, living in Indianapolis
I can assure you there are plenty of watering holes downtown. Plus, there are at least 10 high-quality restaurants downtown in which I’m sure team personnel will be at.
Now, it’s no Las Vegas, but it’s surprisingly active year round, I can promise you that.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Dec 8, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trey..
I lived in Indy for a decade recently; downtown. And I’m back at least once a month, for days at a time; downtown. You’re being kind.
But it sounds like the decision is made, so I’m sure they’ll figure out how to make the most of it.
by Damen Jackson on Dec 8, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
Maybe I’m looking at it through rose-colored glasses, but there are plenty of places to eat and drink downtown these days. I think people will enjoy St. Elmo’s, the Oceannaire, McCormick & Schmick’s, Nicky Blaine’s and all those places just fine.
It’ll be interesting to see how it’s received – I don’t think the media will enjoy being in the cold – there’s a reason the Winter Meetings haven’t been in a northern state since 1966.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Dec 8, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
St. Elmo
is a must-hit for me each time I am in Indy…Obviously, the best shrimp cocktail in the GALAXY!
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 8, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would concur
it’s become a somewhat regular stop for me at the end of the work week for a drink or two.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Dec 8, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal says the Cubs...
…might be in on Rich Aurilia if they ship out one of Cedeno/Fontenot in a deal.
by cwyers on Dec 8, 2008 10:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why not get in on Ray Durham?
Aurilia has more positional flexibility, but both of those guys only play up the middle and Durham would be a very solid backup second baseman. He could be a starter on a number of teams.
by dakoose on Dec 8, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Durham is about 500 years old?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Aurilia is about that old, too.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you answered your own question.
The Cubs are awash in guys who can play 2B. If they get Aurilia it’s with the idea of occasionally having him play short.
by cwyers on Dec 8, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no way that
Aurilia’s glove could play at shortstop. At this point he is a first, second or third baseman, and we already have that in DeRosa.
by dakoose on Dec 8, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Aurilia would be a great addition as a RH PH.
He could help tutor Hoff on the art of staying ready.
However, if he became the main backup IF (both Onedec and LBR traded) I would be saying constant prayers for the health of DeRo and Riot. Aurilia has negative range in the MI at this stage of his career.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jayson Stark Says Dunn and Bradley head the list for OF
Ahead of Ibanez and Abreu
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3754869&type=blogEntry
defense be damned, I want to see the Big Donkey crushing at Wrigley 81 times year
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 8, 2008 2:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I still want Hermida.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reportedly,
the Marlins want “more than prospects” for Hermida. I’m not sure what that means but it sounds like more than he’s worth. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/cubs-rumors-her.html
by dakoose on Dec 8, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it means
that they want Soto and/or Marmol.
No. Thank. You.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is
how. We don’t match up all that well with them, and we might need to shop Pie for the arm in a Peavy deal, rather than using him for Hermida.
by toonsterwu on Dec 8, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that crushing the ball or crushing the ivy as he goes crashing into it?
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 8, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You've got that backwards, Bren
Even though the Cubs have payroll issues as they wait for the naming of their next owner, a variety of sources indicate they’ve begun moving forward on acquiring a lefty-hitting corner outfielder. They’ve checked in on free agents Raul Ibanez, Bobby Abreu, Milton Bradley and Adam Dunn, although Bradley and Dunn rank much lower on their radar screen than Ibanez and Abreu.
The Cubs have also talked to the Marlins about Jeremy Hermida. But Florida is reluctant to move Hermida just for prospects, and the Cubs aren’t interested in trading players who would leave holes on their big league roster.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 8, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh - sorry, missed the post below.
To make up for it, I’ll add this happy (to Al, especially) news.
Joel Sherman says Peavy will be traded this week or start the season with the Pads (probably):
-Padres GM Kevin Towers said that if he does not complete a trade of Jake Peavy to the Cubs at these meetings, he will probably announce that he is keeping his ace to start the season.
“We have made progress, but if it is not worked out with the Cubs, I don’t want to go into Christmas with so many holes and still working on this,” Towers said.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 8, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm the rumor mill is indicating Abreu and Peavy
So what kind of deal would Abreu want, $12M two years plus the Hendry option? I have heard that the Cubs are willing to move four players and includes something they don’t have for Peavy—-possibly a two player move that includes Marquis.
Interesting to see what comes out of this.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Dec 8, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It says
Dunn and Bradley rank lower on the list
by Jayjayblue on Dec 8, 2008 2:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hahah, whoops, wishful thinking I guess
not sure how I misread that
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 8, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's been edited.
MLB Trade Rumors had it the way you had it.
by cwyers on Dec 8, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew it!
I thought I saw that, thats why I was so excited b/c I want Dunn
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 8, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, Steve Phillips was justifiably fired
if this is how he ALWAYS evaluates talent:
Talking about the Braves shopping for a LF:
They’ve identified free agent Raul Ibanez as the best fit because he hits for power and plays solid defense.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 8, 2008 3:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good, they can have him.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly...
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 8, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Purple, I thought it was only the Red Line
Wasn’t Purple the express….or is it on game day that both stop at Addison.
By the way we always liked saying we are catching the Skokie Swift to a slice of heaven.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Dec 8, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I take the purple line because I live in the north suburbs...
so I take the purple line and change to the red line.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 8, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your name wouldn't happen to be Harold, would it?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That must be a typo
Ibanez plays solid defense?
Derrick Rose-2009 ROTY Tyrus Thomas-2009 MIP...hope I'm at least half right
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Dec 8, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course...
Ibañez is a solid defensive DH.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Case of the Monday's
I want something to happen already. I think I’ve clicked on the BCB link in my Favorites about 76 times today. I am bored outta my mind and don’t feel like doing a lick of work today. What does a guy have to do to get some breaking news outta Las Vegas??
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Dec 8, 2008 3:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tigers picked up Laird...
is that breaking enough? Probably not…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that didn't quite
do it for me. Luckily I’m down to only about another 45 minutes or so of having to stare blankly at my monitor before I get to go home.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Dec 8, 2008 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like Joe Morgan on a Sunday night in about the 7th inning...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Big day for the Tigers
they picked up Adam Everett, too.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Dec 8, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hermida's looking like a hot property
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 8, 2008 4:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The should be able to get
a good deal out of it, whether it’s high value youngsters or pieces for their current roster. As much as people are down on him, he’s a high upside youngster that has shown promise that is cost-controlled for three more years.
by toonsterwu on Dec 8, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just got home for work
I’m utterly sick. i rushed home to find santo in the hall and a trade made along with 1 signing and ba’am nothing. errr
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on Dec 8, 2008 4:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i was at the blackhawks game
last nite. Does anyone realize they are really good lol.. 7-1 go hawks
by Kchance on Dec 8, 2008 4:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They're going to
have to figure out a way to close out the Red Wings once they get a lead, though. That’s already the second time they have let them come back and win a game after leading by a few goals in the last period of the game.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Dec 8, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I HOPE Lou is kidding but I am not at all sure
An Article in Washington State papers’s blog says Lou ASKED reporters IF Ibanez could play RF and misprounounced his name and when asked about Putz seemed to indicate he might still want a closer but JJ was making too much.. So let’s see he needs to ASK if the guy he wants can field and might want a DIFFERENT closer than what we have going . Again just small talk but I firmly believe in the Lou was behind Wood’s being dumped conspiracy theory.
http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/mariners/2008/12/08/winter_meetings_2008_listening_to_lou_bo
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2008 5:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I suspect Lou was just messing with those guys.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That looks very tongue in cheek
Piniella even managed Ibanez in Seattle so I suspect he knows his name.
by rlpete on Dec 8, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be so sure .
I remember Derek Lowe saying Lou never once used his name , just calling him “kid” and we know he could never remember
“Stevie” Eyre’s name. It seems kind of cute and harmless but think it is a telling sign of how he views players.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ibanez played for Lou for parts of five years.
I’m sure he knows who he is.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see how Ibanez played
when he played under Lou?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 8, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was a part-time OF.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lou has a horrendous habit of mispronouncing (or not remembering) names.
What makes mispronouncing Ibañez’s name (and other Latin players’ names) all the more baffling is that Lou is Hispanic and supposedly learned Spanish before English as a toddler. He still talks to most Latin players in Spanish. Methinks that mispronouncing players’ names is his way of showing his superiority.
As far as Ibañez’s OF ability, he is probably judging it based on whether someone was better or worse than him.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh please
feed my crack head like addiction for offseason move hunger with something please. even if its a minor deal,something please something i’m feening!!
Dear Santa:: All I want for X-mas this year is an official 2009 Jake Peavy Cubs Jersey. Oh and a Beimel one too. I've been a real good guy for the most part!!!
by cubsluver22 on Dec 8, 2008 6:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This just in!!!
Ken Rosenthal traded his Peavy rumor to Jon Heyman for his Abreu rumor!!! Keith Law wrote that Heyman got the pricier rumor, but that the rumor Rosenthal picked up has more upside and really could have a long career.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 8, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that Rosenthal got a rumor to be named later.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard the rumor failed its physical.
It had a rumor tumor.
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on Dec 8, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
would that be Stevie Nicks, Christine McVie
or Bob Welch… (no, not the 27 game winner)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2008 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Phillies have entered the fray for Jake Peavy
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8912072/LIVE:-Latest-updates-from-winter-meetings?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49
The World Series champion Phillies are active on at least two fronts. They have shown interest in Twins’ outfielder Delmon Young and also have emerged as a possible third team in the ongoing discussions between the Cubs and Padres regarding right-hander Jake Peavy.
The Padres like some of the Phillies’ young minor-league pitchers, major-league sources say, but the talks are only in the preliminary stages.
The Cubs continue to seek a landing spot for right-hander Jason Marquis, whose $9.875 million salary would need to be cleared to create payroll flexibility for the addition of a left-handed hitter and/or Peavy.
No Peavy deal will be completed until the Cubs’ new owner is decided, sources say. The new owner would need to approve the addition of Peavy, who is owed $63 million.
I bet the Phillies are targeting Josh Vitters in a 3-team deal.
by illini23 on Dec 8, 2008 7:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it
wouldnt our top prospect be going to the Padres and someone from ours going to Phi for a pitcher of theirs, who in turn goes to SD.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 8, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Padres supposedly want pitching
And the Phillies have alot of good young pitching talent. The Phillies would get Vitters and one of there young pitchers might go to SD…
by illini23 on Dec 8, 2008 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Phillies might want one or two of our major leaguers since they are competing right now.
They could use DeRo to fill in for Utley and replace Feliz, and Reed Johnson as a fourth OF. Would one or both of those guys be worth a young pitcher?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If DeRosa goes....
That could mean more Orlando Hudson, or dare i say it, Brian Roberts talk
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 8, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is what Scott Miller of CBSsports is suggesting....
http://scott-miller.blogs.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270335/12173484
I don’t know about giving up DeRo. He is probably one of our more valuable players with his versatility. I’d prefer not to include him in the deal.
by illini23 on Dec 8, 2008 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
same here
I’m a little surprised how easily people seem to throw out the idea of getting rid of DeRosa. I know you have to give some to get some, but I wouldn’t make a deal that forced me to give up someone so versatile, and who performed so well for us. The returm we’d get isn’t worth the cost.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 9, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or it could be the reason why Lou has been hyping LBR for more ABs.
Methinks that they won’t be able to afford TNO or O-Dog if they get Peavy. Of course, that won’t stop the talk on BCB…
Just my guess: the Phils have coveted DeRo for at least two years. He is probably the only reason why they would get involved in the Peavy fray. Not sure who else might be involved since I don’t know the Phils’ system very well.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Carasco?
He’s the kind of prospect the Padres could want and the Phillies could be frustrated with, enough to send him on to someone else.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 8, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
possible
side note, i’m not sure why the Phillies would be frustrated with Carlos when he improved in AA this year and was real good in AAA. (albeit, limited innings). I’m not sold that Carlos is anymore than a mid-rotation guy, although he has the upside to be more. I’m also not sold that Amaro is the type of guy that will sell the farm for another title, and he’s their best chip and their need for a 3rd baseman isn’t that great, and they potentially found a Burrell replacement in the John Mayberry/Greg Golson deal..
by toonsterwu on Dec 8, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs met with Milton Bradley last night, according to ESPN Deportes.
by illini23 on Dec 8, 2008 7:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd take his bat in a second.
Doubt it though.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 8, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They're in "intense discussion"
according to the Boston Globe.
Another thing in this post:
The Tigers are eyeing Kerry Wood on a two-year deal.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Dec 9, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RECD
Lets get this thing back up there so i dont have to get excited by new fanposts about nothing.
What to do, with Larry Hughe?
by Rudey on Dec 9, 2008 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
huh? Rotoworld (Seattle Times actually but unable to view article for some reason) says this rumor was shot down:
Apparently tere was a rumor circulating that had us doing a Fukudome-Carlos Silva swap. My respose to that is: what the heck?!?!?
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 9, 2008 3:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mmmm...that might be tempting
Which one would bounce back better?
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
by zambranofan on Dec 9, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I posted this in another diary, but felt like it should be here as well
have you ever seen so many rumors be created and shot down…in ONE day?
1) The whole Peavy debacle
2) Sabathia: whether or not he has accepted his contract offer from the Yanks
3) an alledged Fukudome-Silva swap
4) Livan Hernandez signs with Reds, wait nevermind!
5) some hack out in San Fran thinks they are aggressively pursuing Lowell, but he doesn’t have a source
6) Pat Burell may or may not go back to the Phillies
7) Greinke for Francoeur looks emminent, wait nevermind…
8) Lock in Dye for Bailey, wait..
and I am sure I am missing a few..Sheesh it is all overwhelming
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 9, 2008 5:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
might as well add Kerry Wood to that list as well!!!
Gammons is now saying that they are progressing, but nothing is settled yet. It seemed clearly evident earlier. Damn, I need to stop reading…
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 9, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the most frustrating thing
is watching ESPN News and seeing “Breaking News” across the bottom only to see “Matt Jones suspended for 3 games for violating NFL substance abuse policy” for 6 hours straight!
I thought someone outside of a person’s immediate family needed to care for it to be considered news?
by socalbob on Dec 9, 2008 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
According to Yahoo's Jeff Passan
the lone holdup in this complicated trade is the Cubs moving Marquis. Ugh, this signing was horrible the second we did it and it looks even worse now. I really, really hope somebody wants to take this scrub. I don’t know why any team would want him though, maybe they somebody to eat innings.
by illini23 on Dec 9, 2008 8:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This actually tells you how bad the market is.
A year ago, Hendry had no trouble getting the Tigers to take Jacque Jones by eating about 40% of the contract.
They are apparently willing to eat about the same percentage of Marquis’ deal — no takers.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 10, 2008 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as i've said all along
Marquis doesn’t have a market
he never had one…. because he can only pitch effectively in one league and in that league half the teams are significantly cutting payroll
the only teams that would make sense for Marquis would be: Mets, Phillies, Dodgers????
That’s 3 teams… that’s not a market
The whole part where the Marquis argument careens off the tracks is because people get to divided in different corners. There’s the “Marquis is an innings-eater, he’s the best 5th starter in baseball” group and there’s the “Marquis is terrible” group
The truth is Marquis is fine as a 5th starter, but he’s NOT fine making 10 million a year. If he made 4 million a year he’d be fine
this is what the Cubs are being forced to realize now that the mistake wasn’t in signing Marquis (necessarily), the mistake was giving him $7 Million annually for 3 years when no one else was bidding on him
If that deal was 3/15 it wouldn’t have been a problem
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 10, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's too early -- that's the problem.
The Dads need to complete the Peavy trade soon, or they risk having the Cubs go to plan B (Randy Johnson) and possibly trading DeRo to the Phils or Twins if they need salary relief. The Phils want an answer on DeRo before they sign a FA LF.
Since CC apparently agreed to terms today, the first-tier market should take shape within the next week. The second-tier market should be in place by Christmas. The third-tier market (including Marquis) doesn’t usually move until January.
Hendry is being smart by forcing Towers to take Marquis. That way, he can move on to sign a LHB knowing what his payroll figure is.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 10, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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