Ron Santo Snubbed By Veterans Committee ... Again
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 12:03 PM CST
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The Hall of Fame Veterans Committee failed, once again, to acknowledge one of the top ten (at the very least) third basemen in baseball history by passing over Ron Santo for induction, in a vote announced on the Hall of Fame website today. Santo got 60.9% of the vote.
The VC did elect Joe Gordon, who was on the pre-1943 ballot (Santo was on a separate list of post-1943 players). Frankly, I didn't think there was anyone else on the list of eligible players for this vote as qualified as Santo, so I don't think the committee did its work well.
Santo said, on the retirement of his Cubs #10 on September 28, 2003, that "this is my Hall of Fame". Unfortunately, he'll probably have to settle for that.
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Well, crap.
Poor Ronnie. I thought he’d make it in this time.
by jdb-44 on Dec 8, 2008 12:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What a shame.
I’m pretty disgusted…Disband the VC.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 8, 2008 12:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boooooooooooooooooooooo!
Man….I was really thinking today would be the day…..
My hat’s off to Ronnie in any case.
"[Lou Piniella] might be over 100, but he still has a lot of fire in him." - Ted Lilly, Sept. 10, 2008
by CaughtInTheVines on Dec 8, 2008 12:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you're kidding!
how is that possible! gah. ;-(
Boiler up!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 8, 2008 12:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
just wow.
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07
by RynoHoF on Dec 8, 2008 12:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Didn't get my hopes up...
…but I am still disappointed. I think several voters will regret this lack of respect for Ronnie someday.
by Qixotl on Dec 8, 2008 12:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
I expected this but nevertheless disappointing. I was scouting out hotels just in case.
by rlpete on Dec 8, 2008 12:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
too bad
thought this was it
how short did he fall?
by plenz on Dec 8, 2008 12:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Needed 48 votes (75%)
Got 39 votes. He lost ground from two years ago IIRC.
by Qixotl on Dec 8, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you lose votes?
Seriously, either vote for the guy, or don’t. Either he belongs or he doesn’t. The whole voting process for the VC and the writers makes no damn sense at all.
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely.
I’d love to know who voted for him two years ago and didn’t know. How can you possibly justify that?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that always bothers me
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 8, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Total crap.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Dec 8, 2008 12:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WTF
Man, I was really optimistic this time. Sucks! Poor Ronnie.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Dec 8, 2008 12:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stupid
Why exclude the guy. Nobody wins in this scenario.
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2008 12:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This needs to stop
The process has been changed several times and all that happens is they continue to show the foolishness of it all. This isn’t even about Santo and whether you think he should be in. I don’t have a strong feeling. What I do think is that its a shame to put Santo through this over and over again. I am sure for the others on the ballot its the same. They just need to end the veterans committee concept and have players realize that after 15 years, if they don’t get in, thats the end of it.
by dmlichte on Dec 8, 2008 12:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I will never set foot into the HoF
if Santo and Dawson aren’t selected.
by ScottT on Dec 8, 2008 12:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's just plain wrong to keep Santo out.
Can’t say any more. I know he’s disappointed, and so are all of us.
I agree with those who say that should be the end of the VC. They just don’t know how to do their job right.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 12:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who is on the VC?
Is there a list?
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Dec 8, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on Dec 8, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we get to see how they voted?
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Dec 8, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHA!
Not in Joe Morgan’s America!
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on Dec 8, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what a bunch of crap
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Dec 8, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Morgan,,,,
Probably voted for himself.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Dec 8, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish there..
was a way to vote out Joe Morgan. He may have been a good second basemen, but his commentating is so bad he should lose his priveledges. He probably voted against Ryno.
"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" Harry Caray
by CubbieintheSouth on Dec 8, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
May have been a good second baseman?
He was a freaking awesome second baseman who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame more than Ron Santo. He may be a stubborn idiot, but please, PLEASE don’t say something as stupid as “I wish there was a way to vote out Joe Morgan”.
CUBS WIN! CUE THE ORCHESTRA!
by Keith on Dec 8, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they're talking about voting him off the HOF
just the committee (the idea the former players are always good at analyzing their old game is pretty ridiculous)
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 9, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The VC is the worst case of "old boy's network" that exists in sports.
This is a black eye for the hall of fame.
by storkysm on Dec 8, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
that’s… not right. It’s just not right.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Dec 8, 2008 12:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A shame.
It’s as simple as that. A damn shame.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Dec 8, 2008 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
According to the press conference
Santo missed by 9 votes this year…And only missed by 5 last time with a “smaller electorate and smaller ballot.”
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 8, 2008 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It seems like everyone agrees
Santo should be in the Hall… fans, writers, broadcasters, current players…. everyone except the HOF Veterans.
by daeviant on Dec 8, 2008 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Joe Morgan is talking right now on the press conference…Just sounds like a smug jerk.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 8, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And this is different from his normal demenor how?
Boiler up!
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 8, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pained lol
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
by Emelie on Dec 8, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all different.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 8, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Morgan
Joe Morgan’s goal is to make sure nobody gets in. What’s disgusting is publicly he says he supports Santo and behind the scnes the lowlife word I cannot use here works his butt off to keep him out.
I hate Morgan more than any person that is not a criminal and has not hurt my family.
MaIne South Hawks 2008 Class 8a Champs!
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 8, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Morgan
Has repeatedly pushed for Santo’s inclusion. There is plenty to unload on when it comes to Morgan, but he has been a supporter of Santo.
by dmlichte on Dec 8, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of reports
Publicly yes but there is a lot of talk he moves to make sure nobody gets in.
MaIne South Hawks 2008 Class 8a Champs!
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 8, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon
Thats ridiculous. Go after guys like Mike Schmidt who have come out and said that the more people who get in the more it lowers the Hall. People here like to speculate on Morgan but he has no need to come out in favor of Santo.
by dmlichte on Dec 8, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dIFFERENCE IS
Difference is Schmidt is public about it while Morgan lies to people’s faces.
MaIne South Hawks 2008 Class 8a Champs!
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 8, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how do you know?
Morgan has never had a problem taking the unpopular stance on pretty much anything. He has no problem being an ego maniacal ass. So why do you feel that he’s lying on anything when he really seems to care very little about what people think of him?
by dmlichte on Dec 8, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he (we) hate(s) Morgan
n/t
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Dec 8, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
No matter what our opinion is about the guy, unless there is real evidence to substantiate KOWs argument then its hearsay.
by StevenABQ on Dec 8, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there is plenty...
… of reason for us to dislike Morgan. No reason to create more.
by dmlichte on Dec 8, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Paticularly when it is an unfounded accusation. Of course he also was called Satan by the author of the comment which started all this. Pretty sure we’ve now hit the ceiling of bad things to say about Morgan.
by StevenABQ on Dec 8, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing as how the reference was to Satan
“floor” would probably be more appropriate… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But but but but but
Other people don’t like him and I have to follow trends and stuff!
CUBS WIN! CUE THE ORCHESTRA!
by Keith on Dec 8, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt get my hopes up either.....
I totally expected this, its like a joke….Cubs havent won in 100 years, Ronnie cant make the HOF. I dont see him ever getting voted in until maybe he is no longer with us. Terrible.
by AndHart120 on Dec 8, 2008 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You've got to be kidding me
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Dec 8, 2008 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous
Too many of those guys are driven by ego.
Give the voting back to the writers.
by Clark Addison on Dec 8, 2008 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Vets Committee
Their heads are obviously lodged in the place where most people stick suppositories. Santo deserves to be in the HOF. Period.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Dec 8, 2008 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is garbage.
I never watched him play and don’t find him entertaining in the booth, but he was a damn good ballplayer and needs to be in the hall. Is this the “tradition” that makes baseball so unique?
by dakoose on Dec 8, 2008 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
sad
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on Dec 8, 2008 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We should build a Fan's Hall of Fame
and induct Ron ourselves. bah.
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
by Emelie on Dec 8, 2008 12:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We did and we did
We built Wrigley up to what it is today and the club had the foresight to retire his number.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 8, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Such BS
This is one time I want to let the profanities fly.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Dec 8, 2008 12:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What a load of crap.
Whose idea was it to have the players vote again?
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on Dec 8, 2008 12:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I had a bad feeling
I had a bad feeling listening to WGN all morning because I had a feeling if he was in WGN would have heard and broken in.
Joe Morgan has made it his thing to make sure nobody gets in with the veterans committee and publicly lies and says he belongs in. He is SATAN!
I am so angry right now my face is bright red.
MaIne South Hawks 2008 Class 8a Champs!
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 8, 2008 12:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Overshot the insult a bit? Its dissapointing but don’t have a cardiac over it. Alternatively, I also wouldn’t want your head to start spinning either.
by StevenABQ on Dec 8, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cue the Church Lady dance...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I admit
I admit I overreacted but there has been several whispers about Morgan behind the scenes leading the charge “Noone should get in” and that’s why he created this whole thing.
I originally dismissed the rumor but 3 times and nobody gets in? Something more is going on.
And Morgan is such a smarmy twit it is believable.
MaIne South Hawks 2008 Class 8a Champs!
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 8, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Al but SABR guy was right
in his assessment that Santo would not make it. Do we know if Joe Morgan is on the current group ?
I also won’t go to hall until Santo or Dawson makes or till 2014, whichever comes first.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2008 12:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If you go to the link Al posted
the bottom of the page has the members of the committee..
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 8, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sandberg
I went for Ryno and will go for Maddux and will go for Dawson.
MaIne South Hawks 2008 Class 8a Champs!
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 8, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the post-1942 Veterans Committee is all living HoF players
and there’s currently 64 of them.
Kinda harsh to say this but it would appear that the only way Ronnie gets in is if some of the “No” HoFers get “taken out of the game”, so to speak. And Ryno keeps lobbying the newly elected members.
If Ronnie can stick around for five more years, he’ll have at least one more “yes” vote.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sammy's a good guy that way
[…]
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Dec 8, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
now that's funny! ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As would be the silent movie about Ronnie Woo Woo
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Dec 8, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the Link Al posted
there is information on how to contact the committee
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 8, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been trying to email the HoF all day
and it just keeps telling me it can’t go through.
I seem to remember having the same problem 2 years ago.
by ScottT on Dec 8, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Write your complaint on a piece of paper.
Wrap the paper around a brick.
Find Joe Morgan’s car.
(I’m kidding… sort of.)
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on Dec 8, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Gordon
Gordon did lose two seasons of his career because of World War II. That kept his career numbers down. He may very well may be deserving. Both Santo and Gordon were nine-time All-Stars. The big difference between the two is Gordon played in 6 World Series and on 5 winners, and Santo never made it to postseason.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 8, 2008 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gordon Had Better Teammates
The list includes Joe DiMaggio, Bill Dickey, Lou Gehrig (right before he contracted ALS), Red Ruffing, Lefty Gomez, Lou Boudreau, Larry Doby, Bob Lemon, and Bob Feller, and Satchel Paige (finally getting a shot after integration). Gehrig and Paige weren’t in their primes when they were playing with Gordon, but look at those other names.
Santo’s main HOF teammates were Banks, Williams, and Jenkins. Lou Brock wasn’t a HOF player with the Cubs. Robin Roberts was done by the time he got to Chicago. Goose Gossage had not yet established himself as a premier closer when he played with Santo on the southside in 1974.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 8, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon belongs in HOF
When Gordon retired he was the all-time HR leader among second baseman, and would have had more HR had he not missed those two seasons during WWII. Also, as Bill James pointed out in his book Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame, Gordon spent his prime years in Yankee Stadium, which probably cost him more HR, as Yankee Stadium was a tough park for right-handed hitters.
I’m not saying Santo doesn’t belong (in fact, James, in the same book, said Santo would be the first player he’d vote for if he had a vote), but Gordon was not a bad pick.
by Jody Jody Davis on Dec 8, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Disagree
Gordon had some HOF credentials. Those home run totals for a 2B back then are impressive. It’s too bad this honor had to come thirty years after he died. Playing his home games in Yankee Stadium might have hurt his statistics, but the high profile and success of the franchise helped his image. The Indians had good teams later on his career. Bob Feller is still alive. Maybe, Feller can say a few words about Gordon at the induction.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 8, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder...
Had Gordon been alive when Joe Morgan broke his HR record, would he have thrown a public hissy fit about it and said that Morgan wasn’t as good a player as he was?
by Jody Jody Davis on Dec 8, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if it is any consolation
the veterans comitte is voting next year
by truthaddict11 on Dec 8, 2008 12:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's really sad
That they wait so long to induct players that not many people are alive who actually saw them play.
by daeviant on Dec 8, 2008 12:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Think about Joe Gordon. His last season was 1950.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 8, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Joe Gordon died in 1978.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 8, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Joe Morgan
Voted for Joe Gordon because he mistakenly thought he was on the ballot again.
by daeviant on Dec 8, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol! and prolly true
"Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil," - Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Maxims, 64.
by Emelie on Dec 8, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know.
You can probably get a message to him through the WGN radio website, though.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I expected this.
And there’s nothing else to say.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 8, 2008 12:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A wrong has been committed
and nothing will make it right until Ron gets in. This is another sad day for fans.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Dec 8, 2008 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This feels like October all over again
all the talk about the “best chance yet” of great things happening…. and then splat.
Gah. Awful.
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Dec 8, 2008 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The whole concept is flawed.
You can argue one way or the other about Santo’s qualifications for the Hall, but the simple fact is that the whole notion of election by current members is inherently flawed. As others have suggested many in that electorate have (in their minds) a vested interest in keeping other people out so as to preserve the exclusivity of their little club. The voting for the veterans needs to be taken out of the hands of the Hall members otherwise you might just as well eliminate it entirely.
by jking79 on Dec 8, 2008 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i think it is
patandron@wgn.com i think it isnt checked till spring traing games start
by truthaddict11 on Dec 8, 2008 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Santo
OH Noooooooooooooooooooo!
AC00000
by barefootbob on Dec 8, 2008 12:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How disappointing.
I really feel bad for Ron.
by sue369 on Dec 8, 2008 12:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he will always be honored by Cubs fans
and that is much more than a plaque can do
by truthaddict11 on Dec 8, 2008 12:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just an awful situation.
Something needs to change FAST! This is completely unacceptable that someone who clearly has the individual numbers to warrant the HOF continually cannot make it in to the “club”. I am so tired of hearing the “to many players from that team that did not make the world series” arguement. .that has nothing to do with the individual performance. Ron, you are in my HOF, and someday you will get there!
Baseball is like church--many attend, few understand. - Leo Durocher
by cubswinnow on Dec 8, 2008 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The VC
really needs to be taken to task for their exclusionary stance over the last dozen or so years, or since the current committee was created (this year’s change not withstanding). I mean, seriously, they’re acting like 9 year olds who don’t want to let anyone else into their special wittle cwub. Screw’em.
Cheers, Mr. Santo.
"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Dec 8, 2008 12:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This sucks
1. I will not visit the HOF until the Hawk and Ronnie are both in it. No equivocations. I’ll boycott the place until this is made right.
2. Knowing how this sick system works, Ronnie will be elected on first ballot after his death.
3. And no, I don’t trust Joe Morgan.
AlaskaFan
"Year after year after year after year . . . . . after year after year after year . . ." - Steve Goodman, "Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
by AlaskaFan on Dec 8, 2008 12:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
FUDGE
Only I didn’t say “fudge” when I saw the headline.
This is a travesty, and I’m saying that as a baseball fan, not just a Cubs fan.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Dec 8, 2008 12:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Santo...
had put up his #‘s for the Yankees he would’ve been a LONG time ago. what a shame!
by cubbiefanTN on Dec 8, 2008 12:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Will Santo Have to Wait...
until he’s in the grave for 30 years before making it to the Hall as Joe Gordon did.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 8, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
May all those who didn't vote for Ron...
… burn in the fires of ____.
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by WBdogs1 on Dec 8, 2008 12:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
US Cellular Field?
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on Dec 8, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those are tire fires
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ever the optimist
Ronnie will get it. He knows it, and so do I. This man is truly a source of inspiration: never back down and always remain hopeful of the future.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Dec 8, 2008 12:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How much crack did the Veterans Committee smoke this time?
Another injustice. Very disappointing and a sad day for Ron and Cubs fans everywhere.
by JFCubFan on Dec 8, 2008 12:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A major travesty
but not surprising in the least.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Dec 8, 2008 12:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Results:
Results of the 2008 Post-1942 Players Ballot (48 votes needed for election)
Santo (39 votes, 60.9 percent), Jim Kaat (38, 59.4 percent), Tony Oliva (33, 51.6 percent), Gil Hodges (28, 43.8 percent), Joe Torre (19, 29.7 percent), Maury Wills (15, 23.4 percent), Luis Tiant (13, 20.3 percent), Vada Pinson (12, 18.8 percent), Al Oliver (nine, 14.1 percent), Dick Allen (seven, 10.9 percent).
I find it hard to believe Jim Kaat got as many votes as Santo. I mean, besides longevity, and that string of gold gloves, Kaat shouldn’t even be considered ahead of any of those others, except maybe Maury Wills.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Dec 8, 2008 12:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think Kaat has a good case.
He’s a 3-time 20-game winner, twice after having to reinvent himself after an injury. He played in four postseasons, in two World Series, and after his starting days were over became an effective reliever for quite a number of years.
He’s the best-fielding pitcher in history not named Maddux, having won 16 Gold Gloves.
I wouldn’t put him in ahead of Santo, but he’s got a better case as a player than anyone else on that list, IMO.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Both Kaat and Blyleven should be in. If you compare their stats to current members, it's not
even close. Most current members don’t seem to have a problem with this, but I think these two are real oversights.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Dec 8, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I see there were three occasions in 1969 with Minnesota and 1977-78 with Philadelphia that his team made the postseason, but he didn’t pitch. He was almost 44 years old, when the Cardinals won the World Series in 1982. Before Jamie Moyer, who was pushing 46, when he got his first World Series title, I believe Jim Kaat was the oldest player to play on his first world championship team.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 8, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
1. Never won a Cy Young Award
2. 3 time 20 win seasons out of…..25?
3. You and I both know that the Gold Gloves were given out to a lot of players in the 60’s-70’s based on whether they had won it before and reputation, not soley the season they had. His career fielding % was only .947 (compared to Maddux’ .970)
4. I’d hardly call him an effective reliever. His last 8 seasons his lowest ERA was 3.40 and as high as 5.39, with most seasons in the 4’s.
I’d vote Oliva or Hodges before him. Maybe even Al Oliver.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Dec 8, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
… Gold Gloves are given out NOW for reputation; back in the 60’s and 70’s, I think players earned them.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could research it, but....
….I would probably wager that there were more consecutive winners in the 60/70’s than there are today. In saying that, players like Mark Belanger and Bill Mazerowski were the best at their position, but did they actually have the best fielding percentage for that year? Ozzie Smith comes to mind as someone who won a GG or two even though he wasn’t necessarily the best SS THAT particular year.
But I always thought the GG awards were a crock anyway…..it’s based on the most “superior individual fielding performance” at each position, which is pretty objective.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Dec 8, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he did get the most votes
thats gotta say something
by truthaddict11 on Dec 8, 2008 12:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It says
“This system is broken!”
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on Dec 8, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's says that 60.9% of my childhood heroes...
….I still respect. The others can go take a flying leap off a tall bridge.
Whoever said you can't mix business with pleasure never owned a PuttPutt course---Andy Bernard
by carmen_fanzone on Dec 8, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can we eliminate
all the vets that voted for no one???
by AndHart120 on Dec 8, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on Dec 8, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they could...
force the vets to vote for AT LEAST one of the members up for election. I have the feeling players like Schmidt will not vote for anyone, ever.
by AndHart120 on Dec 8, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, I'll give them this much - at least everyone returned a ballot.
whether or not, they voted for someone is open for debate, but at least they cared enough to fulfill their responsibility, however misguided some of them were…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard they averaged 3+ votes per ballot
Maybe they conspired to split all their votes evenly so no one got enough percentage wise, yet they could still say they all voted for someone.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Dec 8, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Screw them
Poor Ron Santo. The thing that really makes me sick is that when Santo passes on you know he will be voted in. Just let this great man have one of his dreams come true.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Dec 8, 2008 12:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes ...
…. the bitter irony is that Ron will eventually get in but will likely not be around when it finally happens. It is just such a tremendous shame for Ronnie — a publicly humble but privately very proud man. It’s sickening that he has to go through this bs over and over again.
If It Takes Forever ....
by wrigley1 on Dec 8, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i had a feeling this would happen
the veterans committee is a joke and should be disbanded.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Dec 8, 2008 12:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I did too...They only purpose they serve is to make sure deserving candidates
…don’t join their club. So disappointing.
New sig currently under construction
by JB 23 on Dec 8, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Garbage
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 8, 2008 1:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This time....
… saying “garbage” is 100% appropriate.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a microcosm of The Cubs attempt to win the World Series.
Sometimes it looks for sure like they’re going to make it, only to be disappointed in the end. Groundhogs Day.
One day, the dream will come true.
by brianp88 on Dec 8, 2008 1:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and when it comes to the MLB, don't forget his good friend
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not the Same Thing at All
Coming close repeatedly blurs and distorts the distinction. The Cubs haven’t won a WS because they have not simply been good enough. Ronnie, by any objective measure, as the best 3B in the NL in his era, certainly was more than good enough to be in the HOF.
If It Takes Forever ....
by wrigley1 on Dec 8, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The reasons are different...but the results are the same.
Splitting hairs.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not splitting hairs at all ....
… the difference couldn’t be bigger: the Cubs for the most part have been most undeserving of a WS Championship while Ronnie couldn’t be more deserving of being in the HOF.
If It Takes Forever ....
by wrigley1 on Dec 8, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whatever man....Ok...it's totally incongruous...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Be that as it may...
…the two things feel the same.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Dec 8, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Splitting Hairs?
You can’t split hairs with Ron..:)
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 8, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2008 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're looking for help in the wrong places
by dr stabbingworth on Dec 8, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not.
Couldn’t he issue an Executive Order on January 20 making the Hall put Ron in?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but he'd probably add a stipulation
…that Ronnie would have to wear a White Sox hat to commemorate his one glorious year with the south-siders…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
That would pretty much suck.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
No, for he-who-shall-not-be-named, because I doubt he’d live too long at the Cell.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Donnie Moo Moo?
I’ve seen him at SoxFest and various (non-Cub) Sox games thru the years and I’ve never seen him harassed. Heck at SoxFest he even went to the microphone and addressed a question to Jerry Manuel in a Q&A session.
Once several years ago (pre-2002, I can’t remember the specific game or year) the Sox were playing the Yankees and they had a live shot of him sitting in the stands in full Cubbie regalia.
by DrCrawdad on Dec 9, 2008 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable!!!
But he is stll my ATF Cub. Dawson, Rice and Blyleven should all be in the Hall as well. Rice was a human wrecking crew for the Red Sox.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
by ronsanto10 on Dec 8, 2008 1:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
bullcrap!
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2008 1:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Instead Of Emailing Ron
Everyone should go to this link and make a donation in the name of our favorite Third Baseman.
I’m sure he would appreciate the support.
by Chodes on Dec 8, 2008 1:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This is abosulte garbage....
The system is flawed.
When other guys that are just as good or maybe even have weaker stats get in it tells you something.
This is becoming a popularity contest.
by EJThunder on Dec 8, 2008 1:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
so how does this work?
can’t he wait till next year to get voted in?
by xene on Dec 8, 2008 1:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He got fewer votes this time
with a smaller group up for election….So, I think that about does it. The next chance he would have would be in 2 years, at the 2010 Winter Meetings.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 8, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Quite Sure What to Think
Santo was before my time, so Im not as up in arms as some older Cubs fans. However, I will say that the Hall of Fame should be an elite group. Whether or not that includes Santo, I cant say. I think he’s being overshadowed by the elite 3B we’ve seen the past 20 years or so from Brett and Schmidt to Chipper and Arod
So 2011 will be the next VC vote, seeing as he lost votes between the 07 and 09 elections, Im not so sure what will happen.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 8, 2008 1:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well yeah, that's exactly what's going on
Santo’s numbers aren’t that great by todays standards. But when he retired, he was, next to eddie matthews, the best third basemen of all time. For some reason or another, he wasn’t inducted the first go round.
by scarymonsters85 on Dec 8, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Theory: I've heard that the NY sports writers didn't like his "celebrations" after each win in 1969
When he used to kick up his heels in joy and celebration after each Cubbie win.
I can’t think of any other logical reason why he wasn’t admitted into the HOF yet.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Dec 8, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well theres plenty of Red Sox in there
So i dont know that theres some sort of regional bias.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 8, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was more referring to the original voting
when he did not make the first cut and had to be put back on the ballot in 85. Even then, the most % he ever got was 40 something.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 8, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep In Mind
that Luis Tiant, Jim Rice, and Dwight Evans still aren’t in the Hall of Fame. I don’t know about the Red Sox bias thing.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 8, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Believe in Yankee Bias
I believe Mussina will make it to the Hall because he pitched a large portion of his career with the Yankees. Joe Gordon, who was elected today, played the majority of his career with the New York American League ballclub. I’m trying to think of any borderline candidate that spent significant time with the Yankees that didn’t make it. Phil Rizzuto made it after a long wait. Goose Gossage finally got in. Even Catfish Hunter, who had his best years in Oakland, was helped by being with the Yankees.
i’m grasping at straws, but the most borderline “Yankee” candidate that has been denied is Don Mattingly. He didn’t play in any World Series with New York. He didn’t keep up his greatness long enough to be a serious candidate anyway. Maybe, David Cone could be mentioned. However, Cone had a 20-win season with the Mets, won a World Series with the Blue Jays, and won a Cy Young with the Royals. He “only” won 64 games with the Yankees, fewer than the 80 he won with the Mets. Can he really be thought of as a borderline candidate or as a Yankee?
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 8, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yankee Bias - Allie Reynolds
Reynolds is another borderline candidate who spent a good chunk of his career with the Yankees but hasn’t gotten in yet. He finished second behind Gordon in the vote this year (in a strange coincidence, they were traded for each other). I hope they don’t put him in before Santo
I wouldn’t consider Mussina (270 wins) and Gossage (over 300 saves, back when closers didn’t only pitch one inning at a time) “borderline” candidates. Rizzuto is the most obvious example of a guy who wouldn’t have even been considered by the HOF if he hadn’t been a Yankee.
by Jody Jody Davis on Dec 8, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I forgot about Allie Reynolds. He pitched on six world championship teams. I think his big drawback is only having one 20-win season.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 8, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Mussinas performance in the steroid era will help a great deal.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 8, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he finally got his only 20 win season as a Yankee,
…but I still think of Mussina as an Oriole.
Bal – 10 years (9 full), 147-78
NYY – 8 years, 123-72
I would definitely give him strong HoF consideration, and if he gets in, I’d say he’s wearing an Orioles cap.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tiant and Evans aren't Hall of Famers.
Rice is borderline.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally Agree
If Tiant had played longer with the Yankees or Dewey had donned the pinstripes, I think they would have gotten more votes than they should have for the Hall. They are not Hall of Famers. I think if Rice had been a Yankee, he would be in the Hall now whether or not he actually deserves it. I don’t think being with the Red Sox helps in HOF voting.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Dec 8, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about looking at it like this:
Name 10 3Bman better than Santo.
It starts out easy, right?
Brooks Robinson, Mike Schmidt, George Brett . . . guess what — it gets tougher. In fact, you can’t do it.
So, tell me. In 189 seasons of Major League Baseball, shouldn’t the top 10 at each position be in the Hall of Fame? If the positions don’t matter as a criteria, you might as well call it the Hall of Famous Outfielders, First Basemen and Pitchers, because that’s where most of the stats are.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*139 seasons
But you get the point.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 8, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill James
Baseball historian James named Santo as the 6th best 3B-man ever!
He has named his top ten 3B of all time and all are in the HOF but Santo…
(I heard that on Murph’s radio show today (12-2 AM 670)
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 8, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Don’t they (The Evil VC) vote every year now?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 8, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
every two years
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 8, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie...
…must have really pissed some guys off to come up short again. Sad to say, but I think that was his last legit chance to make it while still alive. I hope I am wrong.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Dec 8, 2008 2:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Those who voted against him are not going to change their minds and the new crop of HOF players coming in are probably not going to vote for him either since they don’t have much of an affiliation with him.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Dec 8, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The VC failed again
they are some sorry bastards and need to get their head out of their asses!!
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Dec 8, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Really though...
a Hall fo Fame induction would be the icing on the cake.
Ron should be damn proud of what he’s done in his lifetime. He was a hell of a ballplayer during his playing days, a solid broadcaster for one of the best baseball franchises in the history of the game, and all of the research and fundraising he has done through JDRF.
A hall of fame induction would be/will be nice but I just hope Ronnie understands that there are a countless number of individuals (including myself and, by the looks of it, many on here) that appreciate everything that he has accomplished.
by EJThunder on Dec 8, 2008 2:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OH NO!
Great Cub for sure
Solid numbers when he played
Raising tons of money for JDRF
Deserves to be in the HOF
But a solid broadcaster????
He’s fun to listen to, but I wouldn’t say solid….
Hughes “He dropped the ball”
Santo “OH NO!”
Hughes “Brant Brown dropped the ball”
Santo “OH NO!”
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 8, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm...?
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 8, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Which is exactly why I listen to him and Pat on the radio. It’s like the Odd Couple, but with baseball.
"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what do you want?"
"What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please."
--Eddie Izzard
by znohitter on Dec 8, 2008 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I like to listen to him....
He’s no Bob Brenly or [insert commentator here], but I enjoy listening to him and Pat do radio.
His antics don’t bother me at all.
by EJThunder on Dec 8, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable!!!
Thought for sure he would make it in this year.
You ARE freaking out MAN!
by crw89 on Dec 8, 2008 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is SO SO depressing.
This veterans committee just refuses to let anyone in no matter how they tweak the rules. Why bother?
"When you are in a hole, stop digging." - anon.
by LAcarl519 on Dec 8, 2008 3:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps Santos' campaign lawyers can demand a recount and "find" some uncounted ballots?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 8, 2008 3:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Travesty
I will never visit Cooperstown until Ronnie is a member.
by TheRiot2 on Dec 8, 2008 3:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie/Ryno
I really struggled with this when Ryno went in and will struggle with it if Dawson beats him in and God forbid if Maddux does (Meaning I hope he gets in before 5 years).
But I went for Ryno and I probably will go for Dawson and Maddux,
But I was severely punished for compromising my principles as Mr. Woo Woo was on my plane home.
MaIne South Hawks 2008 Class 8a Champs!
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 8, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to ruin a justified outpouring of anger with a positive message . . .
. . . because I’m emotionally right there with everyone else -what a joke this vote was.
However, I’m going to stay positive, dammit! :)
I WILL take comfort in the fact that there is obviously a HUGE pro-Ronnie sentiment out there, and assume that he’s got to know we all exist and that hundreds of thousands of fans consider him in the HOF already, and the vote is just an evil technicality yet to be righted.
His name belongs in the Hall, and it’s not fair.
But at the very least, Ron, you need to know that you’ve got a whole (Cubbie) nation (and many, many more outside of it) on your side.
You’ll always be a legend, no matter where your picture hangs.
"From childhood's hour I have not been as others were - I have not seen as others saw." - Alone, Edgar Allan Poe
by Edgewood on Dec 8, 2008 3:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Copperstown NY
Doesn’t Santos hate NY?
Why would he want to have his legacy live there?
Hell, the HOF is over rated :)
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 8, 2008 3:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I really thought
When I was invited to a bar mitzvah the weekend of the convention in Pittsburgh I thought “After going to 22 conventions the one I miss will be the one after a world series win and Santo getting into the Hall of Fame”
After the playoff loss I thought Okay so now I’ll miss the Santo party.
But it would have been worth it and I’m sure with updates here and youtube I would have not missed it really.
I am still so angry.
I just want my email box flooded from my friends all over the world after happy Cubs news.
I have talked about this so much my friend in Australia knows about it and emailed me this afternoon.
MaIne South Hawks 2008 Class 8a Champs!
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 8, 2008 4:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wait, your friend in Australia is in the future, so how come he/she should have told us earlier about it!
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2008 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yet Another Sad Day for Cubs Fans
Days like this you find it hard to “Believe”, we just can’t get that big win. So sorry for Ron, and cub fans everywhere. Sad, Sad Day
by WOODY34 on Dec 8, 2008 7:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
has this been
Has this been the worst offseason or what?
The only good thing is Dempster resigning.
MaIne South Hawks 2008 Class 8a Champs!
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 8, 2008 7:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
good yet....
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody likes Rich Harden
And that makes me a sad panda.
:(
CUBS WIN! CUE THE ORCHESTRA!
by Keith on Dec 8, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
had to do it
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry
Listening to Hendry he is not happy about this. So I think Hendry should make some moves tomorrow to smooth our sad souls.
MaIne South Hawks 2008 Class 8a Champs!
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 8, 2008 8:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
An idea
There are some equally vocal groups for Hodges and Rice. Maybe we can unite with them and work something together.
If a boycott or such by Dodgers, Cubs and Red Sox fans started maybe we can get something going.
MaIne South Hawks 2008 Class 8a Champs!
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 8, 2008 8:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boycott what? 64 living Hall of Famers?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 9, 2008 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thought this would make you happy. Courtesy, the Onion
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2008 8:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is... outstanding.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this one as well
Mr. Met takes out his frustration on fans
Of course, courtesy of: The Onion
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whoops didn't work, here
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And lastly for my posts of the Onion
CC and Prince Fielder seem to see each other in a different light
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2008 8:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
damn didn't work
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/c_c_sabathia_prince_fielder_keep
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I htink
He deserves to get in by his numbers, but he must have ticked off a lot of people during his career.
I was glad to see less “Poor Ron” campaining this year, that sure won’t do it.
Also, while passionate, he is the worst announcer I have ever listened to.
by Hamstring on Dec 8, 2008 8:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
…his numbers should get him in, but I think you raise a valid point on the “poor Ron” issue. Since Santo is in the spotlight as a colorman for the Cubs, I do think the constant talk about him on the air has done him no favors, and has turned people off. It has calmed down some since he failed to make it a couple of years ago, but I do think some damage has been done.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Dec 8, 2008 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bull shit
Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.
by Bricks and Ivy on Dec 8, 2008 9:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No matter how you feel about this...
… the profanity is uncalled for.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 9, 2008 4:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it's true
and just a “BS” dosen’t do it justice.
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by Bricks and Ivy on Dec 9, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a suggestion...
Make the VC accountable for their votes. Have their votes released and their reasoning for voting the way they did. If they have a valid point then they shouldn’t have anything to worry about right???
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by Bricks and Ivy on Dec 8, 2008 9:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ron Santo Belongs in Cooperstown
is the one pin that I ALWAYS wear on any Cubs cap – ALWAYS!
Perhaps until now.
The VC members who did not vote for Ron Santo do not DESERVE to have the privilege of voting for ANYONE when they IGNORE the merit of Ron’s career.
Cooperstown as represented by the embittered and ignorant few VC voters, does not deserve Ron Santo!
Ron Santo Belongs in Chicago – in the hearts and souls of knowledgeable and admiring fans!
My new pin should read: Ron Santo, HOF (Hall of Fans!)
by GeneticCubsFan on Dec 8, 2008 10:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ron Santo - One of the Best to Have Played 3B
My heart’s with you Ronnie. You deserve it. You’ve been in my HOF ever since you retired!
IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!
by Cubfansince1957 on Dec 8, 2008 10:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
# 10 A REAL CUB.......
So sad that the HOF has snubbed Ronnie again …The numbers are there and everything he has done for the game ……We had planned to visit Cooperstown this summer not now no way …..
by cubs north on Dec 9, 2008 12:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Committe just can't take a hint
santo is pretty much the face of the cubs nation almost like harry caray was. one would think those intagibles plus the stats would be HOF material but just like the one from above does, the commitee does, and that’s overlook cubs nation.
"Oh baby!" - Len Casper
by #1 iowan cubs fan on Dec 9, 2008 2:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Saddest Part
The worst part of all of this, is that as soon as Ron passes away, there will be enough of a sympathy swell to probably get him in. And what’s the point? Why not induct him now while he can still enjoy it?
It’s like Dennis Johnson w/ the Celtics— you don’t know what you had until it’s gone.
This system really doesn’t make sense. It’s a really sad day.
"Something Profound"
by jza48 on Dec 9, 2008 6:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
JMO
I think that Ron needs to change his tactics…
I’m not saying that this is “fair”, but I think he hurts his chances with the VC by essentially campaigning for election. I think that most HoFers think he is trying to “blackmail” them into voting for him by being so public about feeling that he should be in.
I think that Ron should stop talking about it publicly. If he’s asked, he could say something like: “It would be a great honor, but there have been many great players through the years. I’m just glad I had the chance to play in the major leagues.” Let Billy Williams, Ernie Banks, Ryne Sandburg, etc. do his campaigning for him. Then the VC might take a new look at his stats.
I just think that the VC doesn’t want to feel as though they have succumbed to the pressure put on by Ron and the fact that he has a public microphone. In fact, retiring from the broadcast booth might actually help in that regard.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 9, 2008 1:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is just wrong
Ron Santo deserves to be in the Hall.
by CubsFaninBflo on Dec 10, 2008 10:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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