Rockies interested in Marquis? Marquis for Taveras?Baker?
by Fuk-U-Meter on Dec 8, 2008 5:29 PM CST
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The Rockies have internally discussed acquiring Jason Marquis from the Cubs.
Marquis for Willy Taveras might interest the Rockies if the Cubs were willing to eat some salary, but the Cubs would probably just as soon stick with Kosuke Fukudome and Reed Johnson as their center field combination. MLB.com mentions Jeff Baker as a possibility to be involved. However, if the Rockies want Marquis, it shouldn't cost major league talent.
I've always kind of liked Taveras. Would he work as a leadoff hitter? Would he goof up the CF platoon of Fukudome and Johnson? Jeff Baker can give some pop from 2B: 10 HR in 102 games last year. I imagine the Cubs would have to eat a lot of salary if this were to be feasable. Nice to see some interest in Marquis though...
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reminds me of a younger version of juan pierre— no thanks!
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by cubsluver22 on Dec 8, 2008 5:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Any leadoff guy that
doesn’t know how to bunt (I clearly remember the ‘05 playoffs when he was with Houston) is a no go. That said, Soriano doesn’t bunt either. But wait! He’s not a leadoff hitter!!!
Demp and Rich: proof that people that live in igloos and say "eh" can contibute!
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Dec 8, 2008 5:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Baker
He wouldn’t be a bad return for Marquis if the Cubs didn’t need to send along any money. The only problem is he is right-handed so you figure he would take Cedeno’s spot but Baker doesn’t play SS. So if you had backup infielders of Fontenot and Baker, neither play SS.
I’ll pass on Taveras.
by rlpete on Dec 8, 2008 5:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
For the record,
Taveras had a .251/.308/.296/.604 line last season in a great hitters’ yard. That’s Ryan Theriot-like power from an OF. Marquis managed a .203/.242/.356/.598 line without having the advantage of playing every day. Wouldn’t it be simpler to just play Jason in CF? At least he bats LH and has a little power.
The only way I would be in favor of this trade is if the Rockies pick up 100% of Jason’s tab and the Cubs immediately non-tender Taveras.
Jeff Baker is primarily a corner-guy (1B, 3B, LF, RF), but can play 2B in a pinch. Having LBR and Baker as the backup IFs would force DeRo into the backup SS role (no big deal — he backs up every other position), but Baker has a nice bat.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 6:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Baker's bat.
If we got Baker for Marquis, I’d really be surprised and pleased. Baker would fit the same role I imagine the Cubs were considering Rich Aurilia for and would be better than Aurilia in every way.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 8, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not worthy of another thread, but Fox News "reports" that the Phillies "could possibly"
be the third team involved in a possible Peavy trade..
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2008 7:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's three down, 25 to go until the "real" third team emerges...
I know that the Phils would love to have DeRo, but who else might interest them? And what do they have in the way of young pitching?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's start a pool.
On what date will all 28 other teams have been mentioned as the “real” third team?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
January 12th - Cubs, in a bizzare move, state that they are indeed the third team in in the Peavy trade
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And then...
… wind up trading Josh Vitters, Jeff Samardzija, Felix Pie, Ronny Cedeno and Sean Marshall to themselves. Meanwhile, the Padres trade Jake Peavy to themselves.
Kevin Towers and Jim Hendry shake hands and pronounce themselves satisfied with this six-player deal.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 8, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
blockbuster deal!
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ill take the glass half full approach here...
…and say that the Phillies would probably be interested in any of the following players: DeRosa, Marquis or Marshall.
I dont know who the Phillies would part with, but I could see something along these lines…
Cubs get Peavy
Padres get one of the Phillies 5 catchers (5 catchers on their 40 man roster! Eeek), Marshall, Pie, Cedeno and Guzman
Phillies get Marquis and Cash
The Padres might prefer Wellington Castillo but who knows.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Dec 8, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Phillies are involved, DeRo is at the top of their list.
They tried to sign him in 2006, and I think were in line to trade for him if TTTSNBN had gone through. Also, Chase Utley will miss the first two months of 2009.
They might also have some interest in Reed Johnson if they decide to use a platoon in LF. They have LHBs Matt Stairs, Geoff Jenkins, and Greg Dobbs.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
question: Have we officialy resigned Reed Johnson to play for us next year?
I thought he got a one year deal last offseason
"Charles Tillman is one of the best strippers in the NFL" - John Madden 11/30/08 Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings game
by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2008 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is arb-eligible, but not FA eligible...
RJ has 5+ years of service, so he is not a FA. Assuming that he is tendered a “qualifying” contract by the Dec. 12 deadline, he is property of the Cubs for 2009 — unless the Cubs decide to trade him.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ill take the glass half full approach here...
…and say that the Phillies would probably be interested in any of the following players: DeRosa, Marquis or Marshall.
I dont know who the Phillies would part with, but I could see something along these lines…
Cubs get Peavy
Padres get one of the Phillies 5 catchers (5 catchers on their 40 man roster! Eeek), Marshall, Pie, Cedeno and Guzman
Phillies get Marquis and Cash
The Padres might prefer Wellington Castillo but who knows.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Dec 8, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you have a full glass of water now...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2008 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hee
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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 9, 2008 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CBS Sports says that
The Phils, indeed, are interested in DeRosa. From MLBTR
The unexamined blog is not worth reading.
by neonverse1 on Dec 8, 2008 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if the cbssportsline thing is correct
and the target is JA Happ, well, put it this way, I hope we aren’t going to fork over Mark DeRosa for JA Happ without getting more in return. I like Happ somewhat, but value wise, it’d have to take more, and I don’t know if the Phillies have anything else that’s of value that I really want that can contribute to a win now club (as they aren’t likely to deal from their pen, and Victorino doesn’t seem likely either).
by toonsterwu on Dec 8, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
You wouldn’t want Scott Eyre back? j/k
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 8, 2008 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The deal isn't really DeRo for Happ...
It is DeRo + every prospect in the system for Peavy. It’s just that Happ is a better pitcher than DeRo and that is what the Dads want.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It may also be that the Phillies are willing to take Marquis
if we kick in DeRosa.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 8, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who does that leave at second?
That would boost our interest in Orlando Hudson possibly?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 8, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get used to LBR.
The Cubs can’t afford O-Dog unless they go with Teahen in RF.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hudson, Roberts, Luis Castillo...
Or Ryan Theriot if we get a SS.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 8, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rox...
…apparently just told Hendry that they could not fit Marquis into their payroll. This is likely with Hendry covering $4M of Marquis’ salary!
In Hendry We Trust
by initram on Dec 8, 2008 7:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm really
hoping there is a little action at the Winter Meetings tonight. I hope JH and Towers go out drinking tonight and finalize a trade at about 4 am after splitting a 30 pack. Ryan Theriot, a 2 square foot patch of ivy, and Lou Piniella in exchange for Jake Peavy and Adrian Gonzalez.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Dec 8, 2008 8:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hendry can't complete that trade without throwing in Matt Sinatro.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
winner!
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Dec 9, 2008 8:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get
why Dero’s name is even out there. The guy is a great player for the Cubs. He is everything a team needs. Phils get him, what a steal. They will play Dero at 2nd until Utley gets back, then in the outfield, most likely left if they don’t sign Burrell,
Cubs don’t trade Dero.
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by Grockcubs on Dec 8, 2008 8:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
In this scenario...
Dero lands us Peavy. I think that may be worth it, and that’s no slight to Mark.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Dec 8, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are the Cubs comfortable
with Fontenot as their everyday 2nd baseman? Are they willing to part with DeRosa and his versatility?
The unexamined blog is not worth reading.
by neonverse1 on Dec 8, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This deal...
wouldn’t necessarily end the Cubs offseason. They could still be in the market for a SS (my preference) where Font and Theriot share 2B.
I think we’re fairly determined to acquire a LF, thus making Dero’s outfield abilities unnecessary.
It is a sacrifice, but I have a hard time passing on Peavy in favor of Dero.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Dec 8, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But what about DeRo's blog?
You know, the short-lived MLB postseason one? Which Cub would write that for us in ’09? Wink. Wink.
The unexamined blog is not worth reading.
by neonverse1 on Dec 8, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But it's not just DeRo is it?
If the Dads are happy with us flipping them whatever we get for DeRo, and yeah, maybe we throw in somebody not named Vitters, Pie or Marshall, then that’s probably worth it.
But if it’s DeRo plus most/all our prospects, then Jimbo better pull a Winehouse and say No No No…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 9, 2008 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They may be.
Fontenot, in a platooned role and limited time (two big qualifiers here), did out-hit DeRosa.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 8, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DeRo's versatility is a non-issue if the Cubs get a full-time RF like Ibañez or Abreu.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs will need an Aramis backup on roster
if DeRosa leaves.
Here’s to hoping DeRosa doesn’t leave.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 8, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that explains the Aurilia rumors?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's what I was thinking
You can have Marquis and DeRosa like last year, or you can have Peavy and Aurilia.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Dec 9, 2008 4:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Marquis and DeRo, please.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 9, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a guess...
Assuming that the Cubs can’t get Hermida (and they don’t match up well with the Marlins), the required LHB RF will cost at least $8M (possibly $12M) in 2009.
The Cubs cannot afford such an expensive RF and Jake Peavy without dumping more salary than just Marquis. They can’t trade Harden, because they will be giving up Marshall and Marquis. DeRo is the only other Cub who makes significant coin who doesn’t have a NTC.
Get used to LBR…
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What would Dero save us?
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Dec 8, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
$5.5M -- and the Phils would certainly take up the whole tab.
Based on my very unofficial calculations:
The Cubs’ 2009 payroll stands at about $136M (including arb guesses)
Peavy will cost $11.5M.
That leaves the Cubs at $147.5M
The most recent payroll estimate is $140M-$145M
Subtracting $6M of Marquis’ salary leaves them at $141.5M — and they still don’t have their LHB RF.
Subtracting DeRo’s $5.5M leaves them at $136M, which would give them about $8M for the RF.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You could also clear some of those arb players.
I still expect Cedeno and Wuertz to be moved, for example.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 8, 2008 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeño is likely to be replaced by someone like Aurilia -- who will cost more.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 8, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Only makes sense if we can flip Taveras.
There’s been a lot of talk that the ChiSox are looking at Taveras, so I wouldn’t see us making this deal unless it was part of a play for someone like Dye. Whether or not we should be trying for Dye is another story entirely…
by MarchHare on Dec 8, 2008 9:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If we can't shed Marquis
maybe we can teach him the outfield and we have our lefty power bat
Derrick Rose-2009 ROTY Tyrus Thomas-2009 MIP...hope I'm at least half right
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Dec 8, 2008 10:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather see him in CF than Taveras.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 9, 2008 4:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Jason out-homered Taveras 2-1 last season in far fewer ABs.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 9, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See?
We have our CF partner for Reed Johnson already and we didn’t even know it!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 9, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Jason is a LHB and very fast.
He also has a good arm…
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 9, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's it, then.
Marquis and Johnson to platoon in CF, Fukudome back in RF. Settled!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 9, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's going to break it to Big Z?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 9, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Break what? That he can't start in CF?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Dec 9, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
You can start Marquis ahead of Big Z.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Dec 9, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He can certainly run
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 9, 2008 12:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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