Greinke- Better option than Peavy?
by davidalanu on Dec 9, 2008 10:26 AM CST
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Supposedly the Royals and Braves are working on some sort of a Francoeur-Greinke trade. I would have to think that it would take a much better offer than just Francoeur to net Greinke, but it seems to me that it would make more sense to try to work out a deal with the Royals for Greinke than with San Diego.
Greinke doesn't have the pedigree that Peavy has, but he had an outstanding year last year, and his talent has never been in question. My guess is that it would take about half of the prospects to net Greinke has it would to get Peavy. He's still under team control for two years, and will cost much less in dollars as well.
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I'd be surprised if the Royals traded Greinke.
The Braves would definitely get the better of a Greinke/Francoeur trade.
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by Al on Dec 9, 2008 10:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Hell of an arm, but seems to have forgotten how to hit (Francoeur.)
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 9, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is exactly...
…why it won’t happen. No way in h-e-“double l.” A package which includes Francouer? Maybe. No way otherwise. – TL
[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.
by timlacy on Dec 9, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Royals 2009 AL CENTRAL CHAMPS
Royals won’t trade Greinke or Meche
Why will they part with their NO 1 or 2!
Royals can be serious contenders in the shaky AL Central
Sox are rebuilding, Tigers are old, Indians can rebound, Twins can compete.
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by CubFreak on Dec 9, 2008 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How can you compare the two?
Greinke should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Peavy. Granted, I’m a bit biased because I live in San Diego, but I’m of the opinion that Peavy will be the best pitcher in the rotation if the Cubs manage to land him.
by Kornchex on Dec 9, 2008 10:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes but the question is, what happens if we dont' win in the next year or two?
DLee is old, Other holes will start to fill up. Cubs will have to start looking at options outside of the farm because…well…they have none left. Maybe Jake Fox can learn to pitch
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by Musicdude10 on Dec 9, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Only in package situation—-where Atlanta dramatically improves the package. – TL
[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.
by timlacy on Dec 9, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Misread the post. Thought you were referring to Atlanta. – TL
[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.
by timlacy on Dec 9, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It will take twice the number of prospects to land Greinke as Peavy,
precisely because he is younger and cheaper.
Greinke might be a better long-term option than Peavy, but it is likely that Peavy will be the better pitcher in 2009.
Also, the trade package would have to start with Soto, Marmol, Vitters, and DeRo — then get serious.
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by DeRoMyHero on Dec 9, 2008 10:46 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
To get Greinke?
No way it would take that much for any team to get Greinke, IMHO…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 9, 2008 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not twice as many
but Greinke may cost more than Peavy. Supply and demand.
by rlpete on Dec 9, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1, although I...
…disagree on your Cubs package. That’s a bit much, just a little. But Greinke would be a better pick-up for the Cubs, no question. Greinke doesn’t have Peavy’s hardware—-yet. – TL
[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.
by timlacy on Dec 9, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't give that and them some for CC
let alone Greinke. It’d take less number (and quality) prospects to get Greinke than Peavy.
I agree he’d be a nice fit with the Cubs but no way in hell would the Cubs give up more to get him than Peavy and it’s a mathematical impossiblility they’d give up Geo, Marmol and DeRo for that guy.
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by blackhawk24 on Dec 10, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be so sure that Peavy will be cheaper
Look at Santana, Haren and Bedard last season. Santana was obviously the best pitcher and arguably got the worst package due to the dollars required to retain him. Good cheap pitching under club control is in high demand.
Personally this trade doesn’t make any sense for the Royals. They have outfielders including Crisp who they just acquired. Why would they get another unless there were numerous other players involved?
by rlpete on Dec 9, 2008 10:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
ARRGGHHH
My head is spinning…
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Dec 9, 2008 10:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I poste this exact thought on a different thread.
Greinke isn’t a big name, but he was unreal last year and it’s not all that difficult to make a case for Greinke being the better acquisition. From a performance perspective, Greinke is only twenty-five and already has put together at least on outstanding full-season, not to mention in the AL and not in Petco. Peavy will also cost a lot more than Greinke. Make that a ton more than Greinke. If the prospect package for Greinke is similar or even slightly bigger than the one for Peavy I would think long and hard about going after Greinke.
by dakoose on Dec 9, 2008 11:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And many many other teams
would be very interested if Greinke was on the market. Not going to happen.
by rlpete on Dec 9, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Teams with much more to offer
The only reason we’re in on Peavy is because we’re literally their only option.
by Wreckard on Dec 9, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The price for Greinke will be significantly higher than Peavy
He’s young, extremely talented, and most importantly cheap.
I don’t think we could get him without trading one of Soto or Marmol.
by Wreckard on Dec 9, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Half the prospects?
I wouldnt be surprise if it would take more, hes younger and far cheaper…..theyd be nuts to trade him for Francouer, thats a terrible deal for the Royals
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 9, 2008 11:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Down here in KC...
…I really don’t want to move Zach, but Jeffy could give this team some leadership, a face of the franchise, and get this team what Alex Gordon has failed to do so far – produce. Not sure how I feel about letting Zach go, though.
Dan
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by dtpollitt on Dec 9, 2008 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Leadership?
He threw an absolute tantrum about being demoted to AAA last year to work out some kinks…
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 9, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He shouldn't have been demoted to AAA
He played 162 games each of the prior two seasons with the Braves. I thought it was ridiculous to demote him.
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by dtpollitt on Dec 9, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But...he was absolutely TERRIBLE.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 9, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, Dayton Moore
knows Francoeur from their days with the Braves, which may be why he’s willing to make the trade.
As for Greinke off the field, would his social anxiety disorder hinder him in a major media market like Chicago? I’m just curious about that.
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by Trey2317 on Dec 9, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Social anxiety disorder
That is always my first thought whenever the thought of moving Grienke to a large market team. The kid is a great talent, but I think a GM would be mistaken not to elavulate his disorder before bringing him to a market like Chicago. I, admittedly, don’t know anything about the disorder, or being a MLB pitcher, but IMHO it should be something to consider.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Dec 9, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Francoeur could be the worst player in baseball.
by cwyers on Dec 9, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Worse than Willie Bloomquist?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 9, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They project to about the same as hitters...
…and one of them can play the middle infield.
by cwyers on Dec 9, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Worse than Jason Marquis?
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by DeRoMyHero on Dec 9, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if there is ever a guy
who’s picture appears in Webster’s under “paralysis by analysis” it is Frenchy. What a disaster he has become.
by socalbob on Dec 9, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't mean "The Natural"
Can you?
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by cubswynn on Dec 9, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Worse than Richie Sexson?
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 9, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think his hype his rookie year was so big...
…and the fact that he grew up wanting to be a Brave contributed to his bigger-than-life image. Even so, he hasn’t panned out since that rookie year. I don’t think he’s the worst player in baseball at all, and for the shitty Royals, I could easily see him fitting right in the outfield. He has a good glove, seems to have his head on straight, but I am not sure if 2008’s season was the typical we can expect from him, or if 2007/2005 is more typical. He seems to have one above average season followed up by one horseshit one.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Dec 9, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2007 was still a very poor season at the plate...
…for a guy whose best position is corner outfield.
by cwyers on Dec 9, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
KC can compete this year
Face of the franchise?
CoCo will help but right now the star of the team is Joakim Soria
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 9, 2008 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say star, I said face of the franchise.
Soria isn’t the face of the franchise. He was the all-star representative – and if he was in NYC or LA, he’d get the f-ing credit he deserves for such a great season – but he’s no way the face of the team. Gordon was drafted for that, but it hasn’t panned out. I’d argue the face of the team right now is the young pitching staff, no one man.
Dan
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by dtpollitt on Dec 9, 2008 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The face of the team is still George Brett
Maybe you’re right, the young pitching staff looks good, maybe they’re the FACES of the franchise
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- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 10, 2008 12:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Francoeur would be a great face of the Omaha Royals.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 10, 2008 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I get it.
You’re trying to be funny.
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by dtpollitt on Dec 10, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to be realistic.
Greinke is one of the best young arms in the game.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Dec 10, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Per ESPN...
Peavy Deal “not close.”
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Dec 9, 2008 1:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Deal may be too steep for Cubs
possibly looking at RJ for 1 year deal.
Story HERE.
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by Jettero2112 on Dec 9, 2008 2:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Trading Zambrano after acquiring Peavy is now the latest rumor
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 9, 2008 3:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
link?
I would hate to Z go. One of these seasons he’s going to put all his tools together.
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by cubswynn on Dec 9, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
insert "see"
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Dec 9, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was just a quick sentence in a baseball prospectus article from mlbtr
no substantiation really, just a rumor floating around.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 9, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah right
Big Z will be a Cub for a while, at least untll the final year of his new contract
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- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 9, 2008 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peter Gammons on espn now
says he expects Peavy to the Cubs by Boxing Day, that the reports of the deal being imminent or dead are wrong, and its somewhere in between
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 9, 2008 4:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Did he really say "Boxing Day"?
Hardly anyone even recognizes that holiday.
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by Al on Dec 9, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who isnt American does
But yes, he used that term
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 9, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yet another person spouting out
on this topic. This is beyond ridiculous. Although, kinda humorous that he used Boxing Day as the likely date. It’s not like there is a well known holiday the day before Boxing Day. Oh Peter, you slay me.
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Dec 9, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peter Gammons?
You mean this PETER GAMMONS?
by HereComesASpecialBoy on Dec 9, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dr. PETER GAMMONS
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- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Dec 9, 2008 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell is Boxing Day...
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by dtpollitt on Dec 9, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its a British holiday the day after christmas celebrating the birth of Wikipedia
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Dec 9, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They celebrate it in Canada, too.
“the birth of Wikipedia” LOL
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by Al on Dec 9, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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