Aramis Ramirez enjoys Cockfighting as well........
A story just posted in the Sun cites and interview he gave in the Dominican for a Cockfighting magazine (They have magazines for Cockfighting?????) I'm interested to get feedback on other Cubs fans feelings on this, does it change your feelings about
him as a ballplayer?
(not sure how to post a link, I'm a technological caveman)
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/794462,ramirez021408.article
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Damnit
But I have a feeling I will.
by WittyUserName on Feb 14, 2008 11:40 AM CST 0 recs
He has always been one of my favorite Cubs...
by Walker71421 on Feb 14, 2008 11:44 AM CST 0 recs
So what?
by McRipper on Feb 14, 2008 11:55 AM CST 0 recs
Or...
KUMITE!

by santoswoodenlegs on
Feb 14, 2008 12:28 PM CST
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UFC
by JohnMan on
Feb 15, 2008 7:46 AM CST
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Re: part of the culture
by John Q Freejazz on
Feb 14, 2008 1:18 PM CST
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A bit disappointing, no doubt
by The V is for Vegetable on Feb 14, 2008 11:58 AM CST 0 recs
cock-fighting
If Michael Vick was from a country and/or ethnicity that accepts dog fighting as part of it's culture and he went to do it there, we might not have had an issue with that either.
by tony412 on
Feb 14, 2008 12:07 PM CST
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oh my gosh give me a break
mcripper above puts it best, hunting is a hobby over here where we KILL animals, watching a couple chickens flirt with each other... not gonna lose any sleep over this one.
by kylejo on Feb 14, 2008 12:03 PM CST 0 recs
I coulda been a contenda!
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 14, 2008 12:11 PM CST 0 recs
Daver grimaces...then shrugs
I suppose a story like this raises the whole issue of how we, as human beings, tend to assign differing levels of worth on different animals. Tell me ARam is engaged in dog fighting (a la Michael Vick) and suddenly this turns into a horror story/scandal that could affect the Cubs entire season. Tell me he likes to watch roosters peck the stuffing out of each other and...meh. I mean, if those same birds were female, we'd be hacking their heads off and eating them. (Most of us, at least. I'm a former vegetarian myself.) Maybe that's not fair, but I think that's how most people will see this.
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 14, 2008 12:16 PM CST 0 recs
Come on man...
by santoswoodenlegs on
Feb 14, 2008 12:21 PM CST
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Irresponsible, offensive, and immature
by John Q Freejazz on
Feb 14, 2008 1:23 PM CST
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You obviously...
by santoswoodenlegs on
Feb 14, 2008 1:33 PM CST
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Well...
by John Q Freejazz on
Feb 14, 2008 1:39 PM CST
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re: You obviously...
by dat cubfan daver on
Feb 14, 2008 1:46 PM CST
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I'm not one to tell people....
by cubbie08 on
Feb 14, 2008 3:58 PM CST
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This is better
"Save a Cow, Eat a Vegetarian"
by Hammer on
Feb 14, 2008 4:02 PM CST
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Even better
by santoswoodenlegs on
Feb 14, 2008 4:13 PM CST
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Yeah
by NC Cubs Fan on
Feb 15, 2008 1:13 PM CST
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FWIW
by NC Cubs Fan on
Feb 15, 2008 1:14 PM CST
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Real classy
by John Q Freejazz on
Feb 14, 2008 5:00 PM CST
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oooooooooooooo!
by nextyearcub on
Feb 15, 2008 12:02 PM CST
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And a statement
Well, I'm a vegetarian.
by John Q Freejazz on
Feb 14, 2008 5:00 PM CST
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Ouch...

by santoswoodenlegs on
Feb 14, 2008 5:29 PM CST
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The real question
by DGU on Feb 14, 2008 12:29 PM CST 0 recs
Gotta protect the integrity of the game, man!
by The V is for Vegetable on
Feb 14, 2008 12:30 PM CST
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Terrible
Sorry, but this really, really sucks. In the wake of the Michael Vick fiasco you would think professional athletes (and anybody in general) would have new sensitivity to this crap.
It just goes to show, some of the biggest scumbags on earth are the people that are hero worshipped on a ballfield.
by MDBNIU on Feb 14, 2008 12:31 PM CST 0 recs
Dude, get a grip!
by McRipper on
Feb 14, 2008 12:34 PM CST
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Whatever
by MDBNIU on
Feb 14, 2008 12:41 PM CST
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re: Whatever
by dat cubfan daver on
Feb 14, 2008 12:46 PM CST
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I disagree
by McRipper on
Feb 14, 2008 12:47 PM CST
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Right.
Now, you can get into a discussion of whether this is a good thing or not (I'd say it's not). But as long as it's legal, I don't think it will be a big deal.
Personally, I don't see the point of men standing around watching chickens peck each other to death.
by Al on
Feb 14, 2008 12:49 PM CST
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Agreed
by McRipper on
Feb 14, 2008 12:53 PM CST
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LOL....
It won't matter to anyone. We only want to save the cute animals. Why aren't you upset over the Cows that we killed to cover the balls and make the gloves...and shoes...and belts? Or the trees we murder to make bats? Us humans are an evil lot...killing living things to enhance our own amusement.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Feb 14, 2008 12:48 PM CST
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That's right!

by dat cubfan daver on
Feb 14, 2008 12:59 PM CST
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I doubt
by morgane on
Feb 14, 2008 1:44 PM CST
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wikipedia says....
Read up before you get your panties in a bunch.
Cockfighting has historical significance even the United States.
by tony412 on Feb 14, 2008 12:48 PM CST 0 recs
I don't see the big deal
by ams05g on Feb 14, 2008 12:48 PM CST 0 recs
What!!!!!!!!!!!

by santoswoodenlegs on
Feb 14, 2008 12:51 PM CST
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LMAO ! ! !
by slide on
Feb 15, 2008 5:37 PM CST
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Re: Part of the culture
Slavery was part of American culture for hundreds of years. That does not make it right.
Female genital mutilation is part of the culture in parts of Africa. That does not make it right.
Now, cockfighting is not to be equated with the above, but rather those cases illustrate that just because something is part of a culture it is not inherently right. That cockfighting is part of Dominican culture does not make it right.
by John Q Freejazz on
Feb 14, 2008 1:15 PM CST
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Are you seriously...
by santoswoodenlegs on
Feb 14, 2008 1:19 PM CST
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Did you read my caveat?
The original argument was:
"It's okay because it's part of Dominican culture."
So, ___ is morally permissible if it is part of a culture, this argument alleges.
I gave two clear counterexamples to this argument:
- Slavery was part of American culture; slavery is wrong. Therefore, "being part of a culture" does not make something morally permissible.
- Forced female genital mutilation is part of some African cultures; forced female genital mutilation is wrong. Therefore, "being part of a culture" does not make something morally permissible.
However, these cases clearly demonstrate the fallacy of the argument that "if something's part of a culture it is morally permissible." I clearly debunk this argument.
by John Q Freejazz on
Feb 14, 2008 3:00 PM CST
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I resent
by McRipper on
Feb 14, 2008 3:05 PM CST
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I was responding to Florida....
by John Q Freejazz on
Feb 14, 2008 3:11 PM CST
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I clearly don't care...

Next your tell us that kids owning sea-monkeys is wrong.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Feb 14, 2008 3:06 PM CST
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When in Rome...
Though your points have merit, so do everyone elses. Yes, it may be wrong. But yes, it is still a part of their culture and therefore we can't really condemn them so much for it.
by jjmarie30 on
Feb 14, 2008 6:18 PM CST
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Seriously
by nextyearcub on
Feb 15, 2008 12:03 PM CST
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And you
For PETA are any other animal rights group to ask for any kind of censure here agaisnt latino players for what they do in their own countries is absurd. Its those exact actions which give America and Americans images as controlling, smug jerks abroad. Im glad most here resisted the urge to attempt and brand our values on everyone else.
by ksucubbie on
Feb 14, 2008 1:38 PM CST
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Agreed.
by Al on
Feb 14, 2008 2:15 PM CST
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Thank-you!
by DrCrawdad on
Feb 14, 2008 11:06 PM CST
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Completely wrong
This is clear:
being part of a culture does not make it morally permissible
How far can you take this idea? Granted, cockfighting is not close to being the biggest moral issue facing the world, but at what point does one stop saying something's okay because the people's culture think it's okay?
If torture is condoned by people, does that make it right?
If rape is condoned, does that make it right?
If genocide is condoned, does that make it right?
Obviously not.
My point is:
We may not always agree with each other on what is morally right or wrong, but merely because something is condoned or accepted in a culture does not make that thing automatically morally permissible.
by John Q Freejazz on
Feb 14, 2008 3:07 PM CST
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why even
being part of a culture does not make it morally permissible-- To you, and your morals are not transferable to the rest of the planet. What you define as Genocide is someone else's civil war, your definiton of torture isnt the same as someone else's ect
Culture isnt an automatic get out of jail free card and no one has argued that point- in this case- the case of cockfighting in the D.R.- our concepts of right and wrong apply to our own personal moral code and thats as far as our judgement should go.
by ksucubbie on
Feb 14, 2008 3:39 PM CST
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Re: Why even?
by John Q Freejazz on
Feb 14, 2008 5:05 PM CST
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You made your own point
Listen I won't go to cock fighting event, had the opportunity in the Phillipines, not my cup of tea. But here in the old good USA we watch men beat the living hell out of each other in UFC, and other backyard nonsense. But LEGAL cock-fighting we lose are minds, sorry can't see the uproar.
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on
Feb 14, 2008 2:47 PM CST
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When the purpose of the UFC
There is a ref in the UFC right? Does he stop the fight if a guy is getting pummeled and unable to defend? In cock fighting this means your winning.
by Hammer on
Feb 14, 2008 2:52 PM CST
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I dont condone it
by Hammer on
Feb 14, 2008 2:52 PM CST
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Gee John
Fight'em, cook'em I don't care.
by cubswin on
Feb 14, 2008 2:52 PM CST
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Hi
Please see my above clarifications.
by John Q Freejazz on
Feb 14, 2008 3:08 PM CST
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"Please see my above clarifications"?
REEEEEEEEEEEELAX.
by Kinky Reggae on
Feb 15, 2008 1:18 PM CST
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I think he has
Gees, we're not talking about Vick and dogs here in the U.S. It's chickens in the DR. Their laws are different.
If anyone is so hell bent on ranting and raving about this, they should take their ass down to the DR and protest.
Lemme know how that turns out please.
by blackhawk24 on
Feb 15, 2008 1:25 PM CST
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Seriously...
by Kinky Reggae on
Feb 15, 2008 1:29 PM CST
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Not detestable to me
by blackhawk24 on
Feb 15, 2008 2:03 PM CST
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FWIW
I was just pointing out that to say something is morally permissible simply because it is an accepted part of a given culture is not correct.
by John Q Freejazz on
Feb 15, 2008 6:51 PM CST
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Dont' tell that to this guy...
by santoswoodenlegs on
Feb 15, 2008 7:00 PM CST
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JQF
by cubswin on
Feb 15, 2008 8:13 PM CST
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I really hope we don't see Peta out at Wrigley....
by Walker71421 on Feb 14, 2008 12:57 PM CST 0 recs
long as
by drewishdrewid on Feb 14, 2008 12:59 PM CST 0 recs
The only thing that needs to happen
As long as this doesn't happen here, it shouldn't effect him or the Cubs.
I personally wouldn't do it but I'm not going to tell him what is right or wrong in his culture.
by El Borto on Feb 14, 2008 1:16 PM CST 0 recs


